EPTPower Rank 05/09/2011 - Page 16
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Currently: Top 3: Flash/Bisu/JD remain here. Order to be decided based on the rest of the month. Currently leaning towards Flash as #1 and JD as #3. Or perhaps La Mancha should be ranked #3 ahead of JD? :p Some stats (all of this comes straight from TLPD, I'm just sticking it here so the numbers are present): Flash: 6-1 since last PR, 10-4 since May 1, 14-7 since April 1, 23-10 since March 1. 7-3 in last 10 vs T, 7-3 in last 10 vs Z, 5-5 in last 10 vs P *****all stats will be presented in this format unless otherwise stated***** Bisu: 4-1, 7-2, 13-4, 18-8 7-3 vT, 8-2 vZ, 5-5 vP Jaedong: 5-5, 7-6, 14-8, 23-11 8-2 vT, 6-4 vZ, 6-4 vP On paper these 3 are performing very similarly. Comparable win percentages over past 3 months, each one has had a "bad" period, but otherwise been solid as a rock. JD's bad period has been most recent, Bisu's furthest back. Of course, JD and Flash have the edge over Bisu that they are still in MSL, but as I've said before, we all knew that one of those 3 could not survive that group. Worth noting: Bisu is now just 30 ELO points behind Flash. JD is 41 points behind Bisu. JD is 38 points ahead of #4, Hydra. ***Big Gap*** By ELO, all names over 2200: Hydra: 6-1 since last ranking, although only 7-6 in May. No doubt that Hydra has been tearing it up lately and for the second season in a row has made Ro4 or better in MSL. This kid is the real deal, but he really needs a strong showing against Flash (not necessarily a win, but at the least push Flash to the limit) to cement his reputation. Fantasy: 2-2 since last ranking, 5-4 in May. Combined with his shoddy record in April (2-4) it's not hard to see why he was only CBNC on the last ranking. Admittedly, his record hasn't entirely been doing him justice. He's still the same guy who took Flash to the brink in BigFile MSL and then won OSL over Stork the following season, but with Fanta it always seems like the moment he is ready to apply pressure Flash's dominance he suddenly drops a level. It happened in December when he was on a roaring rampage double digit win streak and then suddenly crashed and it happened again in March when he tore it up to secure #1 KeSPA and then proceeded to lose it the very next month. Fantasy really needs to get his act together to secure his position. Soulkey: 5-1 since last ranking, 8-2 in May. Just to fill in more, 12-4 since April 1. Soulkey has just been so strong lately. When he first burst out onto the scene I was tremendously impressed by him, but with repeated months of getting rolled game after game I gradually stopped thinking of him as a top player. Well he is. Other names from PR: Movie: ELO peaking at 2196, get this: Movie is 7-3 in his last 10 vT and 8-2 in his last 10 vZ. After going on a rampage back in February, Movie started losing steam in March. Since then he had few appearances until recently. Movie is 8-1 since April 1 with his only loss to Flash. To be thoroughly honest, there's a part of me who feels like the leader back at CJ house right now is not tournament star Hydra or veteran ace Leta, but this man. Zero: Give credit where credit is due. I did not think he would win that Bo5 over Calm. But he did. And because of that he has now made his 3rd semi. Unfortunately his road is ending here against Jaedong, but I must say that I'm impressed that he's been doing so well despite having to ZvZ so often. 9-5 since May 1, #8 by ELO, behind only those listed above. Mind: I feel bad for Rommel. I really do. For the first time since 2008 he was showing us that he is a name to be reckoned with. And then he ran into a blue Hydra wave (e-cookie to anyone who knows that reference) and got obliterated. Only 2-6 since our last ranking, dropping 43 ELO points. Youch. But record can be misleading. I do think he's easily top 15 in the world right now, maybe even top 10. Leta: #18 by ELO. I liked having Leta in the last ranking because he pulled some spectacular shit. How he survived his group stage when twice he got ling rushed after going 14 CC I have no idea but he did, and then he took down Soulkey to face Flash. But even though he's gone 4-3 since the last ranking, I'm tempted to drop him to CBNC territory. I don't feel like he's done anything spectacular since the last ranking and I have concerns over his current condition, especially regarding TvP. Iris: 1-2 since last ranking. To be thoroughly honest, there is no doubt in my mind that Iris was ranked too high last month. There's a bit of danger to seeing someone rack up a few wins and then automatically jumping on the bandwagon on the spot. Iris has strong TvZ right now. Very. Very. Very strong. Not surprising considering his history. But I would not consider him even top 10 TvT and his TvP seriously blows. As in it makes Light look like Flash level of blows. CBNC would have been ideal last month. Not ranked last month: Light: 4-1 since last ranking (2-1 vP!!!!). Light has shown some sloppiness recently in his TvZ, but his TvP seems to be improving. Light is #9 by ELO and my feeling is that he's a an easily overlooked player right now. Transitioning to a new team is usually very hard for a player but Light has adapted easily and perhaps even grown. Horang2: I can only argue with results for so long. Horang2's play is a little rough around the edges and he's been posting a weak record against a weak line-up in PvT. But that said, Horang2 is now 16-6 since March 1. Although the caliber of competition is lower, that's a higher win percentage than Flash, JD or Bisu with almost as many games played as Bisu. This kid needs a rank. Not a CBNC, a rank. FBH: 4-1 since the last rank. Also really needs a rank. Also, it's hard to believe, but FBH is now 17-8 since March 1. ASDF wut? Watch list: Soo: It was pointed out that Soo went 5-0 during the last ranking period. But considering his record until then, I don't see why it's such a surprise he wasn't mentioned. A player in his position needs to do a lot to prove himself. But I've got an eye on him. Baby: Not PR or CBNC worthy this go round, but still ranked #10 by ELO. Bogus: If you could TvT for shit then maybe you would be PR worthy. But you can't and your TvZ and TvP are good but not *that* good so it's a moot point. Stork: 2-3 since last rank against mediocre competition keeps you out of PR range. But you're still a part of TBLS. Dinotoss could easily bound back and secure his legend with yet another silver! :p No, Just NO: Grape: It's impressive that he climbed as far as he did, but his record does not support a ranking or even CBNC mention. Tentative ranking: 1. Flash 2. Bisu 3. Jaedong 4. Hydra 5. Soulkey 6. Movie 7. Zero 8. FBH 9. Horang2 10. Light CBNC: Fanta, Mind, possibly Stork if he shows signs of getting his act together. Potential changes: -My 1-2-3 order is by no means definitive. Especially the Jaedong-Bisu part. I just think Bisu is showing fewer holes in his game right now, hence I gave him the nod. -Hydra could potentially cut his way into the top 3 with a win over Flash. Or if Zero somehow topples Jaedong and Hydra at least gives Flash a fight. So even though I consider there to be a big gap between top 3 and #4, it's not insurmountable. I don't see Zero entering the top 3 unless he 3-0's Jaedong and I just don't see that happening. I give Zero less than 10 percent odds of even winning this. -Movie's ranking and Soulkey's are highly influenced by PL right now so Zero could definitely surpass them with a strong showing against JD. -The bottom 3 are fairly well locked in unless something big happens with one of the guys in CBNC. I do not see any of them moving up but it's not totally outside the realm of possibility. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On May 23 2011 13:31 Mortality wrote: Fantasy: 2-2 since last ranking, 5-4 in May. Combined with his shoddy record in April (2-4) it's not hard to see why he was only CBNC on the last ranking. Admittedly, his record hasn't entirely been doing him justice. He's still the same guy who took Flash to the brink in BigFile MSL and then won OSL over Stork the following season, but with Fanta it always seems like the moment he is ready to apply pressure Flash's dominance he suddenly drops a level. It happened in December when he was on a roaring rampage double digit win streak and then suddenly crashed and it happened again in March when he tore it up to secure #1 KeSPA and then proceeded to lose it the very next month. Fantasy really needs to get his act together to secure his position. The day Fantasy becomes consistent is the day he successfully uses bio On a side note, just like how BeSt got a shout-out for beating Flash. Hoejja should get one for beating Stork | ||
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okum
France5776 Posts
On May 23 2011 23:41 Dakkas wrote: On a side note, just like how BeSt got a shout-out for beating Flash. Hoejja should get one for beating Stork Is beating Stork really considered an accomplishment these days?  | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
Horang2 should be higher, I put him ahead of zero. If zero does well vs jaedong, than he can be moved up but he has an ok record vs ok opponents (and a very nice game vs bisu if you count that far back). But horang has played against a ridiculous schedule, and has a better record doing it. And I don't like light on there. Yea, he has won 5 in a row, but it is probably the weakest 5 players anyone has faced this month. I would instead go with leta. Sure, he got stomped by flash, but on the other hand, he only got stomped by flash. so: flash bisu JD (he is kind of here because of what I think he will do, if he has more than 1 loss the rest of the month, I think I'll want him lower.) SK hydra movie (could easily switch with horang depending on their final games) horang zero FBH leta CBNC light, soo, bogus, fantasy | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 Bisu is looking hot but isn't in MSL, JD is dropping games left and right during the month... | ||
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Yodo
Russian Federation327 Posts
For Flash it will be better to avoid #1 curse and proceed to MSL gold =) | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
On May 24 2011 01:55 Mortality wrote: There is currently a curse on the heads of those put on #1 of Flamewheel's Power Rank Flash never had a #1 curse last year... granted I don't really think he has bonjwa immunity anymore, but I personally consider him the best player in the world right now. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Jaedong has been losing a little force, still far above the next best player though. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Let's see what happens with the OSL... | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 24 2011 07:26 Lightwip wrote: Really, at this point the only thing Flash has on Bisu is his placement in MSL. Which is quite a big thing, especially considering it was Flash who (comfortably) knocked Bisu out. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On May 24 2011 07:26 Lightwip wrote: Really, at this point the only thing Flash has on Bisu is his placement in MSL. Other than that, in every way they're almost identical. Jaedong has been losing a little force, still far above the next best player though. That's the worst excuse. "The only thing Flash has over Bisu is that he is winning games in tournaments!!!" That's quite the difference, especially when he is in the tournament entirely because he 2-0'd Bisu. I'm sure Bisu would care more about getting a fourth MSL than just being great in PL. | ||
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Dakkas
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Flash 42-12 (78%) Bisu 43-16 (73%) Jaedong 41-21 (66%) I think Flash is still clearly #1. Lately he occasionally shows us holes, occasionally does not live up to the standards he was setting last year, but then he turns around and decimates. Bisu, unlike Flash, maybe has a little something to prove in order to show he is on Flash's level. Statistically he's comparable, trailing only a little behind. The big difference is that his PvP shows more weakness compared to Flash who doesn't really have a weak match (yes, I know that Flash has been dropping some random games to P lately, but if you're going to try to infer a real weakness there then what does that say about Bisu's losses in MSL?). Jaedong started off the year poorly and gradually picked up steam. But now it seems like he's lost some. Or maybe it's just La Mancha where he has lost 4 of his last 5 games. Anyway, Jaedong should not be counted out of this as he proved in April. Ironically, in an interview JD said that April was bad for him. | ||
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VGhost
United States3606 Posts
On May 24 2011 10:47 Dakkas wrote: Well to be fair, and I'm not saying this simply because I'm a Bisu-fanboy because I agree that Flash is above him, but I think most people can agree that if Bisu played Jaedong first up instead he would have been advancing. If Bisu played Jaedong first, he probably (call it 70%) would have won that game. Then he would have played the winner of Flash vs Sea, which would 99% have been Flash (8-0 vs Sea lifetime). The chances are fairly good he loses that game (anyone who considers the Aztec win anything but a BO/map win - albeit a perfect one - is smoking something). So assuming Sea then lost to Jaedong to go 0-2 (2-5 lifetime), we get a 2nd Jaedong vs Bisu match as the finisher. Now it's true that Bisu has done very well against Jaedong overall and especially recently. It's also true that the final map was Dante's Peak which (so far, stat-wise at least) is a heavily Z >>> P map. So I put Bisu at a maximum 60/40 advantage there. Then you realize that Jaedong has only lost in MSL group stages twice - his first time out, against sAviOr and Pusan, and then most recently to a group of Hwasin/firebathero/Flash (in 2009). In stark comparison, Bisu makes a habit of faceplanting in group stages. Am I saying Bisu couldn't have advanced? No. But I give the mental edge to JD in a huge way... and the mental edge is huge. But let's assume that Bisu advances over Jaedong. Let's even assume he beats both Reality and Grape (more of a question, since Grape knocked out Horang2's PvP) soundly and is now in the Ro4. In that case we have Flash advancing 2-0, beating Really, and wrecking Leta, and Bisu advancing 2-1 (with a loss to Flash) and beating Reality and Grape. Now Really is a mediocre player, but his TvT is often excellent; Leta's not on the top of his form, but he's a solid A class player at least (usually) and TvT is also (usually) his best MU. On the other hand, Reality and Grape are just good (and surprising) rookies. In conclusion: if we take your hypothetical and run with it, all other things being equal... Flash still has the better resume at the end of this month. | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
Disclaimer: the gap is not big enough to ignore flash's wins vs leta and really in reality, so I think Flash should be 1. | ||
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Dakkas
2550 Posts
On May 24 2011 11:30 VGhost wrote: If Bisu played Jaedong first, he probably (call it 70%) would have won that game. Then he would have played the winner of Flash vs Sea, which would 99% have been Flash (8-0 vs Sea lifetime). The chances are fairly good he loses that game (anyone who considers the Aztec win anything but a BO/map win - albeit a perfect one - is smoking something). So assuming Sea then lost to Jaedong to go 0-2 (2-5 lifetime), we get a 2nd Jaedong vs Bisu match as the finisher. Now it's true that Bisu has done very well against Jaedong overall and especially recently. It's also true that the final map was Dante's Peak which (so far, stat-wise at least) is a heavily Z >>> P map. So I put Bisu at a maximum 60/40 advantage there. Then you realize that Jaedong has only lost in MSL group stages twice - his first time out, against sAviOr and Pusan, and then most recently to a group of Hwasin/firebathero/Flash (in 2009). In stark comparison, Bisu makes a habit of faceplanting in group stages. Am I saying Bisu couldn't have advanced? No. But I give the mental edge to JD in a huge way... and the mental edge is huge. But let's assume that Bisu advances over Jaedong. Let's even assume he beats both Reality and Grape (more of a question, since Grape knocked out Horang2's PvP) soundly and is now in the Ro4. In that case we have Flash advancing 2-0, beating Really, and wrecking Leta, and Bisu advancing 2-1 (with a loss to Flash) and beating Reality and Grape. Now Really is a mediocre player, but his TvT is often excellent; Leta's not on the top of his form, but he's a solid A class player at least (usually) and TvT is also (usually) his best MU. On the other hand, Reality and Grape are just good (and surprising) rookies. In conclusion: if we take your hypothetical and run with it, all other things being equal... Flash still has the better resume at the end of this month. Where did I ever say Bisu have a better month than Flash? I even flat out stated that Flash is above Bisu? So to be honest, was this just an excuse to post a wall of text or something? | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On May 24 2011 10:10 TwoToneTerran wrote: That's the worst excuse. "The only thing Flash has over Bisu is that he is winning games in tournaments!!!" That's quite the difference, especially when he is in the tournament entirely because he 2-0'd Bisu. I'm sure Bisu would care more about getting a fourth MSL than just being great in PL. Wait what? I note that Flash has an advantage over Bisu because he's in the MSL and Flash fans jump to assume that I think Bisu belongs above him? Where in my post did I even say that Bisu should be placed above Flash? | ||
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