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On May 14 2011 13:30 hacklebeast wrote:
Best was a little different. Of the four you mentioned, best had the 2nd highest elo peak, just short of calm by 4 points (and he is far ahead if you ignore vZ). There was a time when his vT looked just about invincible, and a different time when his vP looked just about invincible. The other three can't say they dominated a MU (or 2) as thoroughly.
haha I didn't even mean to put Calm there. I meant to put Great.
His elo was doing well because he, like July, had gotten an unlikely series of his favored matchup. Since then he clearly has not even close to lived up to what he was getting hyped as.
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You have to take into account that Bisu was slumping like a madman before last season. He is capable of winning in box he's just been a bit unlucky since he came out of his slump.
I think he probably plays the best starcraft of all pro's for the moment. Basically it is only one bad day (the day he lost against Flash two times) that separates him from being undoubtedly the best player for the moment - even though that is a lot!
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I would love to see Bisu BoX play vs Zergs in a big stage. I usually cheer for his zerg oponent but it is so frustrating to see them being crushed. They need to come up with something new. Too bad I am a kind of Bisu hater inside, it is not good for my health I guess.
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PS I am simply unable to appreciate Bisu's vZ play when his opponents look so helpless.
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On May 14 2011 13:04 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 12:18 Mortality wrote:On May 13 2011 14:22 darktreb wrote:On May 13 2011 13:58 Mortality wrote:On May 13 2011 11:33 red4ce wrote:
Random question for anyone who has been around more than 5 years. Was the November 2006 PR the first bw pr done on TL? I can't find any that go further back than that one. Yes. On May 13 2011 10:15 darktreb wrote:On May 11 2011 22:26 aupstar wrote:On May 11 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote:On May 11 2011 03:19 Mindcrime wrote:On May 11 2011 01:06 Mortality wrote:
I ask myself, had it been any other group -- or even any other permutation of the same group -- would Bisu have dropped out of MSL? And the answer I come back with is no. Why? Failing out of individual leagues against opponents over whom he is the favorite has been Bisu's modus operandi for a while now. What's unusual about this season is that Bisu was knocked out by a good player. You forgot last MSL, Bisu was knocked out by Stork. And in OSL he was knocked out by Shine, who was in a hot streak at that time. Hard to believe if you look at his results now, I know. But it's true. Lets look at individual titles in the previous seasons and see who Bisu was kicked out by: Korean air S2 OSL 2010 (Ro32) Knocked out by effort and leta WCG2010 Knocked out by Kal 2:0 Bigfile MSL 2010 Knocked out Sea 2:0 Hana Daetoo MSL 2010 (Ro32) Knocked out by shuttle and movie Korean Air S1 OSL 2010 Knocked out by go.go 2:1 Nate MSL 2009 Knocked out by Bogus and Guemchi Ever OSL 2009 Knocked out by Shine 2:1 Which brings us finally to his last series win WCG2009 Finals Not Knocked out by Stork 2:0 (This was also the last Bo3 that he won) Avalon MSL2009 Knocked out by Iris 3:2 And his last Bo5 win GomTV Classic Season 2 2009 (09-02-08 to be exact) Not Knocked out by Jangbi 3:1 In conclusion, Mindcrime's hilarious statement holds true. gg Seriously, how do Bisu fans even talk? He hasn't won a BO3 or BO5 since 2009. 2009! It's been nearly TWO years since he's won even a single series!!!!!! No OSL ro4's. No MSL ro8's. TWO years, the streak continues until OSL starts, and let's be honest, who really thinks he's going to win a series there? I fully agree that Bisu has something to prove. He's been "PL only" for way too long. But the reality is that Bisu was not an S-class player for most of 2010 and these arguments don't really say anything about Bisu's skill right now, when he most certainly is S-class, #1 Protoss player by ELO in every single match. And it's certainly true that Bisu is still failing to advance now, but this past Ro32... fuck, EVERYONE knew that one of the three best players in the world was going to be sent home. As far as I know that situation has only happened once before in history (IOPS: NaDa, Oov, July in the same group -- NaDa and July faced off in the finals as a result). Old results do provide a standard that can be used to put new results in context, but don't get carried away in thinking "Bisu can't possibly win a series because he has no ability at series play" when he's won THREE fucking SL's. FFS why the fuck do I have to argue in favor of Bisu when 95+% of Bisu fans annoy the crap out of me? I'm not saying he can't possibly win a series. But to go two years without winning one is truly amazing. The list of players who've won a series in the past two years is incredibly long. And yes, he's obviously the best Protoss player right now, and got a little unlucky with the group of death. But at a certain point when you have been unable to scrap together a win for two years, that's just simply indefensible, and until he manages to change there's not much to say. None of this "PL comes first" BS ... two years. And of course everyone remembers he's won three titles - he's the greatest Protoss player of all time (and I say this as a huge anti-Bisu person), and I don't think there's even a close second place. But at a certain point, the statute of limitations on his titles has to be coming up, doesn't it? He hasn't won a title since 2008, nearly three years. His last title was only four months after July's last (and admittedly flukiest of all time) title. It was a different era ... Bisu needs to step up and go deep in a league for the sake of BW as a spectator sport. As someone who loves to hate Bisu, it actually frustrates me that he can't go deep in a league. It's no fun rooting against someone who can't even make ro8. You've read my posts. You know I don't buy into that crap about PL uber alas. It's just crap. But I'm not going to ignore what he's doing in it either. The reality is that Bisu's play in April was fantastic -- unquestionably better than it's been during that entire 2 year time. And quite frankly it caught me by surprise too, because I wasn't expecting it. P.S. July's title wasn't so much a fluke as metagame circumstances conspiring in his favor. It was Protoss season and July happened to be the best ZvP player in the world at that time. And I might be tempted to argue Nal_Ra and maybe even Giyom (not many people remember because a number of Giyom's wins predate the existence of KeSPA, but Giyom won 75000 in prize money in a 6 month period, basically the same amount as winning 4-5 SL's in 6 months) on Bisu's level. July's title was a fluke because he played rock, backho, and best. Anyone's title would've been a fluke with that lineup. And while I know people want to make a big deal out of best and such but he's never proved since that he was really a good enough player to be true contender for titles, he just happened to be hot in one tournament and made it there (like Yarnc, Movie, Great, etc. pretty good players who happened upon a final that they probably aren't the correct calibre for).
It seems like we're thinking of what it means for a result to be a fluke in a different way. From my view, it was Protoss season and I'm not convinced that any Protoss would have been able to take July to the mat at that time, not even Bisu.
Best... I hate to say it because I was totally raving about Best's awesomeness back then, but you're sort of right. Best's PvZ has always been terrible and I actually think his PvT and PvP were overrated. His game play is way, way too one-dimensional, which is ironic because everyone in interviews always says that Best is the innovator and Bisu is the copycat.
On May 14 2011 20:19 Elroi wrote:
You have to take into account that Bisu was slumping like a madman before last season. He is capable of winning in box he's just been a bit unlucky since he came out of his slump.
I think he probably plays the best starcraft of all pro's for the moment. Basically it is only one bad day (the day he lost against Flash two times) that separates him from being undoubtedly the best player for the moment - even though that is a lot!
I wouldn't go that far on Bisu, and I certainly don't feel like he lost to Flash because he had a bad day. If anything, that was some of the best arbiter usage Bisu has ever done. It just so happened that it wasn't enough.
But I'll say this... in his last 8 encounters with Jaedong, Bisu has won 7 of them. Say all you want about how those were only Bo1 encounters -- that's an incredibly lop-sided record over a fairly significant number of games.
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His win over Jaedong yesterday was just disturbingly convincing to be honest. It looked completely automatic, like if protoss had a big meta game lead over zerg. I felt like zerg must come up with something new to beat that, and yet it is only Bisu who is able to play like that.
Hmm yeah, I still don't think he would beat Flash. But if he weren't in that group, he would very probably be 1# on the PR now though, that's what i meant.
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On May 15 2011 00:44 Elroi wrote:
His win over Jaedong yesterday was just disturbingly convincing to be honest. It looked completely automatic, like if protoss had a big meta game lead over zerg. I felt like zerg must come up with something new to beat that, and yet it is only Bisu who is able to play like that.
Hmm yeah, I still don't think he would beat Flash. But if he weren't in that group, he would very probably be 1# on the PR now though, that's what i meant.
I think the same, moreover I wonder how far he came in the MSL, probably until he meets Flash in the final ^^ but whatever it is just pure speculation, but a nice imagination ..
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On May 15 2011 00:44 Elroi wrote:
His win over Jaedong yesterday was just disturbingly convincing to be honest. It looked completely automatic, like if protoss had a big meta game lead over zerg. I felt like zerg must come up with something new to beat that, and yet it is only Bisu who is able to play like that.
Hmm yeah, I still don't think he would beat Flash. But if he weren't in that group, he would very probably be 1# on the PR now though, that's what i meant.
I hear ya. In fact I'll take it a step further and say that if he had been matched against Jaedong (or better, Sea) or if Flash had beaten JD in the winner's match then I think Bisu would have escaped the group. And I totally agree that he would have escaped any other group.
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From my Flash fanboy perspective this says a lot about what Flash is capable of; Bisu is the favourite against pretty much anyone, goes up against Flash in Flash's statistically weakest match-up recently (5-5 in his last 10, that's really low by his standards) and gets crushed 2-0 in straight up games (and in one he actually got a huge advantage). 
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In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL.
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Question (read the first 3 pages and no one asked)
Where is Horang2... man he is playing pretty good lately and he should be on this month PR.
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On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL.
Don't you mean 2n+1?
If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu.
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On May 15 2011 12:08 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL. Don't you mean 2n+1? If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu.
he said that in his game against flash. not against some 2nd tier scrub. He would still beat any non S class or high A class. He would probably also beat the high class zergs assuming they also did not know the maps. I dont know how he would do against terran and protoss. Most of his wins in those matchups come mostly from his superior mechanics which will still be with him.
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I think at this point you'd unquestionably take Bisu if you knew you had to beat a Zerg, which is pretty incredible. To be able to say that about a Protoss in the vZ matchup instead of any Terran....
If you told me I had to pick someone to win vP or vT I'd still take Flash though. Jaedong is debatable for ZvT but as Reality showed, ZvT is just too hard of a matchup to bet all your minerals (Horang2 style) on a Zerg.
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On May 15 2011 14:11 vishrut wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 12:08 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL. Don't you mean 2n+1? If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu. he said that in his game against flash. not against some 2nd tier scrub. He would still beat any non S class or high A class. He would probably also beat the high class zergs assuming they also did not know the maps. I dont know how he would do against terran and protoss. Most of his wins in those matchups come mostly from his superior mechanics which will still be with him.
Can't really say that with much conviction given that Bisu doesn't play good players often.
As you say they are scrubs he consistantly beats...that's not really enogh to be a great player.
Perhaps one day he will be able to get far in an osl or msl where half decent players advance to prove me wrong.
But for now, as you can see from his stats (yes I checked) most of his wins ARE vs 2nd rate players.
Most of his losses ARE against 1st rate players (i.e., Zero, Stats, Leta, Free)..So really you guys are kidding yourself if you'd bet it all on such a player if your life depended on it..zerg or not zerg.
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On May 15 2011 22:06 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 14:11 vishrut wrote:On May 15 2011 12:08 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL. Don't you mean 2n+1? If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu. he said that in his game against flash. not against some 2nd tier scrub. He would still beat any non S class or high A class. He would probably also beat the high class zergs assuming they also did not know the maps. I dont know how he would do against terran and protoss. Most of his wins in those matchups come mostly from his superior mechanics which will still be with him. Can't really say that with much conviction given that Bisu doesn't play good players often. As you say they are scrubs he consistantly beats...that's not really enogh to be a great player. Perhaps one day he will be able to get far in an osl or msl where half decent players advance to prove me wrong. But for now, as you can see from his stats (yes I checked) most of his wins ARE vs 2nd rate players. Most of his losses ARE against 1st rate players (i.e., Zero, Stats, Leta, Free)..So really you guys are kidding yourself if you'd bet it all on such a player if your life depended on it..zerg or not zerg.
What a statement. If you play so many games in PL, like 60 and you win most of them, then of course most of the wins were against "2nd rate players". It is not even possible to play 60 games just against TLBS and some other Highclass gamers. But every "high winning rate gamer" has to deal with this, even Flash. Look against whom he lost and won. Most of his losses are coming from "1st rate players" either, but that is just logical, it would be somehow strange if you are only losing against the lower rated players.
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On May 15 2011 22:52 jaQi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 22:06 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 14:11 vishrut wrote:On May 15 2011 12:08 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL. Don't you mean 2n+1? If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu. he said that in his game against flash. not against some 2nd tier scrub. He would still beat any non S class or high A class. He would probably also beat the high class zergs assuming they also did not know the maps. I dont know how he would do against terran and protoss. Most of his wins in those matchups come mostly from his superior mechanics which will still be with him. Can't really say that with much conviction given that Bisu doesn't play good players often. As you say they are scrubs he consistantly beats...that's not really enogh to be a great player. Perhaps one day he will be able to get far in an osl or msl where half decent players advance to prove me wrong. But for now, as you can see from his stats (yes I checked) most of his wins ARE vs 2nd rate players. Most of his losses ARE against 1st rate players (i.e., Zero, Stats, Leta, Free)..So really you guys are kidding yourself if you'd bet it all on such a player if your life depended on it..zerg or not zerg. What a statement. If you play so many games in PL, like 60 and you win most of them, then of course most of the wins were against "2nd rate players". It is not even possible to play 60 games just against TLBS and some other Highclass gamers. But every "high winning rate gamer" has to deal with this, even Flash. Look against whom he lost and won. Most of his losses are coming from "1st rate players" either, but that is just logical, it would be somehow strange if you are only losing against the lower rated players.
Alright to put it onto context lets see..
Bisu in his last 30games won against only 3 first rate players being Jaedong and Sea and maybe Calm
Loses to first rate players: Flash, Zero, Jaedong, Sea, Stats, Leta, Stork, Kal
Woot you say? Indeed, Bisu is the most over rated player since sliced bread.
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On May 15 2011 23:08 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 22:52 jaQi wrote:On May 15 2011 22:06 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 14:11 vishrut wrote:On May 15 2011 12:08 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL. Don't you mean 2n+1? If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu. he said that in his game against flash. not against some 2nd tier scrub. He would still beat any non S class or high A class. He would probably also beat the high class zergs assuming they also did not know the maps. I dont know how he would do against terran and protoss. Most of his wins in those matchups come mostly from his superior mechanics which will still be with him. Can't really say that with much conviction given that Bisu doesn't play good players often. As you say they are scrubs he consistantly beats...that's not really enogh to be a great player. Perhaps one day he will be able to get far in an osl or msl where half decent players advance to prove me wrong. But for now, as you can see from his stats (yes I checked) most of his wins ARE vs 2nd rate players. Most of his losses ARE against 1st rate players (i.e., Zero, Stats, Leta, Free)..So really you guys are kidding yourself if you'd bet it all on such a player if your life depended on it..zerg or not zerg. What a statement. If you play so many games in PL, like 60 and you win most of them, then of course most of the wins were against "2nd rate players". It is not even possible to play 60 games just against TLBS and some other Highclass gamers. But every "high winning rate gamer" has to deal with this, even Flash. Look against whom he lost and won. Most of his losses are coming from "1st rate players" either, but that is just logical, it would be somehow strange if you are only losing against the lower rated players. Alright to put it onto context lets see.. Bisu in his last 30games won against only 3 first rate players being Jaedong and Sea and maybe Calm Loses to first rate players: Flash, Zero, Jaedong, Sea, Stats, Leta, Stork, Kal Woot you say? Indeed, Bisu is the most over rated player since sliced bread.
Lol your obviously lying and trying to conceal the facts and I'm not in a mood to have such a stupid fanboy fight. But just one thing, if you are looking at your glory last 30 games stat a little bit more carefully, then you will find out that the winning list against 1st rate players is a little bit longer, moreover it is anyway crap to count Flash as a 1st rate player in his loss-list but not in his win-list and once again compare the other s-class gamers. The win and loss list are all about the same level. But you don't and you won't get it if you don't pull off the Bisu - hate - glasses.
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neo.G_bonjwa number 1 FW ?
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On May 15 2011 23:20 jaQi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 23:08 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 22:52 jaQi wrote:On May 15 2011 22:06 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 14:11 vishrut wrote:On May 15 2011 12:08 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL. Don't you mean 2n+1? If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu. he said that in his game against flash. not against some 2nd tier scrub. He would still beat any non S class or high A class. He would probably also beat the high class zergs assuming they also did not know the maps. I dont know how he would do against terran and protoss. Most of his wins in those matchups come mostly from his superior mechanics which will still be with him. Can't really say that with much conviction given that Bisu doesn't play good players often. As you say they are scrubs he consistantly beats...that's not really enogh to be a great player. Perhaps one day he will be able to get far in an osl or msl where half decent players advance to prove me wrong. But for now, as you can see from his stats (yes I checked) most of his wins ARE vs 2nd rate players. Most of his losses ARE against 1st rate players (i.e., Zero, Stats, Leta, Free)..So really you guys are kidding yourself if you'd bet it all on such a player if your life depended on it..zerg or not zerg. What a statement. If you play so many games in PL, like 60 and you win most of them, then of course most of the wins were against "2nd rate players". It is not even possible to play 60 games just against TLBS and some other Highclass gamers. But every "high winning rate gamer" has to deal with this, even Flash. Look against whom he lost and won. Most of his losses are coming from "1st rate players" either, but that is just logical, it would be somehow strange if you are only losing against the lower rated players. Alright to put it onto context lets see.. Bisu in his last 30games won against only 3 first rate players being Jaedong and Sea and maybe Calm Loses to first rate players: Flash, Zero, Jaedong, Sea, Stats, Leta, Stork, Kal Woot you say? Indeed, Bisu is the most over rated player since sliced bread. Lol your obviously lying and trying to conceal the facts and I'm not in a mood to have such a stupid fanboy fight. But just one thing, if you are looking at your glory last 30 games stat a little bit more carefully, then you will find out that the winning list against 1st rate players is a little bit longer, moreover it is anyway crap to count Flash as a 1st rate player in his loss-list but not in his win-list and once again compare the other s-class gamers. The win and loss list are all about the same level. But you don't and you won't get it if you don't pull off the Bisu - hate - glasses.
Perhaps you shouldn't post at all if you're not in the mood for a fanboy fight.
Please indicate how exactly I am lying before making such accusations.
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On May 15 2011 23:08 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2011 22:52 jaQi wrote:On May 15 2011 22:06 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 14:11 vishrut wrote:On May 15 2011 12:08 aupstar wrote:On May 15 2011 05:46 Mortality wrote:
In a Bo(2n+5) where n is any non-negative integer I would still go either Flash or JD. You just can't count those guys out. But TBH, if tomorrow a Bo1 would be played for my life and the opponent would be a randomly selected progamer I'd be tempted to go Bisu. This is the first time in about 2 years I can say that Bisu would even cross my mind as a choice. I'm still a little worried about his PvP and I haven't forgotten how atrocious Bisu was playing in March, but since April 1 he's been playing such consistently solid Starcraft. By contrast, Flash and JD are starting to drop some games here and there, not so many that I doubt their skill, but enough that I'm not going to think "oh noes, Bisu isn't in SL so he clearly is a lot weaker." Although I must say that I'll be sorely disappointed if Bisu fails to go anywhere in this coming OSL. Don't you mean 2n+1? If tomorrow a Bo1 would be played and Bisu didn't know the map, then it would be gg for Bisu. he said that in his game against flash. not against some 2nd tier scrub. He would still beat any non S class or high A class. He would probably also beat the high class zergs assuming they also did not know the maps. I dont know how he would do against terran and protoss. Most of his wins in those matchups come mostly from his superior mechanics which will still be with him. Can't really say that with much conviction given that Bisu doesn't play good players often. As you say they are scrubs he consistantly beats...that's not really enogh to be a great player. Perhaps one day he will be able to get far in an osl or msl where half decent players advance to prove me wrong. But for now, as you can see from his stats (yes I checked) most of his wins ARE vs 2nd rate players. Most of his losses ARE against 1st rate players (i.e., Zero, Stats, Leta, Free)..So really you guys are kidding yourself if you'd bet it all on such a player if your life depended on it..zerg or not zerg. What a statement. If you play so many games in PL, like 60 and you win most of them, then of course most of the wins were against "2nd rate players". It is not even possible to play 60 games just against TLBS and some other Highclass gamers. But every "high winning rate gamer" has to deal with this, even Flash. Look against whom he lost and won. Most of his losses are coming from "1st rate players" either, but that is just logical, it would be somehow strange if you are only losing against the lower rated players. Alright to put it onto context lets see.. Bisu in his last 30games won against only 3 first rate players being Jaedong and Sea and maybe Calm Loses to first rate players: Flash, Zero, Jaedong, Sea, Stats, Leta, Stork, Kal Woot you say? Indeed, Bisu is the most over rated player since sliced bread.
Oh, how you twist statistics. I thought l0st_romantic was still banned, but I guess someone needs to continue his legacy of twisting statistics to prove a false point.
In any case, I suggest you take a closer look at Bisu's record instead of making things up.
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