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Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3370 Posts
May 12 2011 20:09 GMT
#181
Aaaaand JD buries Grape in a pool of his own blood.

Move along folks.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2514 Posts
May 12 2011 20:33 GMT
#182
How was Soo not in the "Close but no Cigar" section? 5 game winstreak in proleague against some really solid players means nothing?
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
May 13 2011 01:15 GMT
#183
On May 11 2011 22:26 aupstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote:
On May 11 2011 03:19 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 11 2011 01:06 Mortality wrote:
I ask myself, had it been any other group -- or even any other permutation of the same group -- would Bisu have dropped out of MSL? And the answer I come back with is no.


Why? Failing out of individual leagues against opponents over whom he is the favorite has been Bisu's modus operandi for a while now.

What's unusual about this season is that Bisu was knocked out by a good player.

You forgot last MSL, Bisu was knocked out by Stork. And in OSL he was knocked out by Shine, who was in a hot streak at that time. Hard to believe if you look at his results now, I know. But it's true.


Lets look at individual titles in the previous seasons and see who Bisu was kicked out by:

Korean air S2 OSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by effort and leta

WCG2010
Knocked out by Kal 2:0

Bigfile MSL 2010
Knocked out Sea 2:0

Hana Daetoo MSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by shuttle and movie

Korean Air S1 OSL 2010
Knocked out by go.go 2:1

Nate MSL 2009
Knocked out by Bogus and Guemchi

Ever OSL 2009
Knocked out by Shine 2:1

Which brings us finally to his last series win

WCG2009 Finals
Not Knocked out by Stork 2:0 (This was also the last Bo3 that he won)

Avalon MSL2009
Knocked out by Iris 3:2

And his last Bo5 win

GomTV Classic Season 2 2009 (09-02-08 to be exact)
Not Knocked out by Jangbi 3:1


In conclusion, Mindcrime's hilarious statement holds true.

gg


Seriously, how do Bisu fans even talk? He hasn't won a BO3 or BO5 since 2009. 2009! It's been nearly TWO years since he's won even a single series!!!!!! No OSL ro4's. No MSL ro8's. TWO years, the streak continues until OSL starts, and let's be honest, who really thinks he's going to win a series there?
MeteorRise
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada611 Posts
May 13 2011 01:33 GMT
#184
Jaedong 1 and Bisu 2 just warms my heart x)
Elegance, in all things.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 13 2011 02:33 GMT
#185
Random question for anyone who has been around more than 5 years. Was the November 2006 PR the first bw pr done on TL? I can't find any that go further back than that one.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 13 2011 04:58 GMT
#186
On May 13 2011 11:33 red4ce wrote:
Random question for anyone who has been around more than 5 years. Was the November 2006 PR the first bw pr done on TL? I can't find any that go further back than that one.


Yes.

On May 13 2011 10:15 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 22:26 aupstar wrote:
On May 11 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote:
On May 11 2011 03:19 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 11 2011 01:06 Mortality wrote:
I ask myself, had it been any other group -- or even any other permutation of the same group -- would Bisu have dropped out of MSL? And the answer I come back with is no.


Why? Failing out of individual leagues against opponents over whom he is the favorite has been Bisu's modus operandi for a while now.

What's unusual about this season is that Bisu was knocked out by a good player.

You forgot last MSL, Bisu was knocked out by Stork. And in OSL he was knocked out by Shine, who was in a hot streak at that time. Hard to believe if you look at his results now, I know. But it's true.


Lets look at individual titles in the previous seasons and see who Bisu was kicked out by:

Korean air S2 OSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by effort and leta

WCG2010
Knocked out by Kal 2:0

Bigfile MSL 2010
Knocked out Sea 2:0

Hana Daetoo MSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by shuttle and movie

Korean Air S1 OSL 2010
Knocked out by go.go 2:1

Nate MSL 2009
Knocked out by Bogus and Guemchi

Ever OSL 2009
Knocked out by Shine 2:1

Which brings us finally to his last series win

WCG2009 Finals
Not Knocked out by Stork 2:0 (This was also the last Bo3 that he won)

Avalon MSL2009
Knocked out by Iris 3:2

And his last Bo5 win

GomTV Classic Season 2 2009 (09-02-08 to be exact)
Not Knocked out by Jangbi 3:1


In conclusion, Mindcrime's hilarious statement holds true.

gg


Seriously, how do Bisu fans even talk? He hasn't won a BO3 or BO5 since 2009. 2009! It's been nearly TWO years since he's won even a single series!!!!!! No OSL ro4's. No MSL ro8's. TWO years, the streak continues until OSL starts, and let's be honest, who really thinks he's going to win a series there?


I fully agree that Bisu has something to prove. He's been "PL only" for way too long. But the reality is that Bisu was not an S-class player for most of 2010 and these arguments don't really say anything about Bisu's skill right now, when he most certainly is S-class, #1 Protoss player by ELO in every single match.

And it's certainly true that Bisu is still failing to advance now, but this past Ro32... fuck, EVERYONE knew that one of the three best players in the world was going to be sent home. As far as I know that situation has only happened once before in history (IOPS: NaDa, Oov, July in the same group -- NaDa and July faced off in the finals as a result).

Old results do provide a standard that can be used to put new results in context, but don't get carried away in thinking "Bisu can't possibly win a series because he has no ability at series play" when he's won THREE fucking SL's.



FFS why the fuck do I have to argue in favor of Bisu when 95+% of Bisu fans annoy the crap out of me?
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
May 13 2011 05:22 GMT
#187
On May 13 2011 13:58 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 11:33 red4ce wrote:
Random question for anyone who has been around more than 5 years. Was the November 2006 PR the first bw pr done on TL? I can't find any that go further back than that one.


Yes.

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 10:15 darktreb wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:26 aupstar wrote:
On May 11 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote:
On May 11 2011 03:19 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 11 2011 01:06 Mortality wrote:
I ask myself, had it been any other group -- or even any other permutation of the same group -- would Bisu have dropped out of MSL? And the answer I come back with is no.


Why? Failing out of individual leagues against opponents over whom he is the favorite has been Bisu's modus operandi for a while now.

What's unusual about this season is that Bisu was knocked out by a good player.

You forgot last MSL, Bisu was knocked out by Stork. And in OSL he was knocked out by Shine, who was in a hot streak at that time. Hard to believe if you look at his results now, I know. But it's true.


Lets look at individual titles in the previous seasons and see who Bisu was kicked out by:

Korean air S2 OSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by effort and leta

WCG2010
Knocked out by Kal 2:0

Bigfile MSL 2010
Knocked out Sea 2:0

Hana Daetoo MSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by shuttle and movie

Korean Air S1 OSL 2010
Knocked out by go.go 2:1

Nate MSL 2009
Knocked out by Bogus and Guemchi

Ever OSL 2009
Knocked out by Shine 2:1

Which brings us finally to his last series win

WCG2009 Finals
Not Knocked out by Stork 2:0 (This was also the last Bo3 that he won)

Avalon MSL2009
Knocked out by Iris 3:2

And his last Bo5 win

GomTV Classic Season 2 2009 (09-02-08 to be exact)
Not Knocked out by Jangbi 3:1


In conclusion, Mindcrime's hilarious statement holds true.

gg


Seriously, how do Bisu fans even talk? He hasn't won a BO3 or BO5 since 2009. 2009! It's been nearly TWO years since he's won even a single series!!!!!! No OSL ro4's. No MSL ro8's. TWO years, the streak continues until OSL starts, and let's be honest, who really thinks he's going to win a series there?


I fully agree that Bisu has something to prove. He's been "PL only" for way too long. But the reality is that Bisu was not an S-class player for most of 2010 and these arguments don't really say anything about Bisu's skill right now, when he most certainly is S-class, #1 Protoss player by ELO in every single match.

And it's certainly true that Bisu is still failing to advance now, but this past Ro32... fuck, EVERYONE knew that one of the three best players in the world was going to be sent home. As far as I know that situation has only happened once before in history (IOPS: NaDa, Oov, July in the same group -- NaDa and July faced off in the finals as a result).

Old results do provide a standard that can be used to put new results in context, but don't get carried away in thinking "Bisu can't possibly win a series because he has no ability at series play" when he's won THREE fucking SL's.



FFS why the fuck do I have to argue in favor of Bisu when 95+% of Bisu fans annoy the crap out of me?


I'm not saying he can't possibly win a series. But to go two years without winning one is truly amazing. The list of players who've won a series in the past two years is incredibly long. And yes, he's obviously the best Protoss player right now, and got a little unlucky with the group of death. But at a certain point when you have been unable to scrap together a win for two years, that's just simply indefensible, and until he manages to change there's not much to say. None of this "PL comes first" BS ... two years.

And of course everyone remembers he's won three titles - he's the greatest Protoss player of all time (and I say this as a huge anti-Bisu person), and I don't think there's even a close second place. But at a certain point, the statute of limitations on his titles has to be coming up, doesn't it? He hasn't won a title since 2008, nearly three years. His last title was only four months after July's last (and admittedly flukiest of all time) title. It was a different era ... Bisu needs to step up and go deep in a league for the sake of BW as a spectator sport. As someone who loves to hate Bisu, it actually frustrates me that he can't go deep in a league. It's no fun rooting against someone who can't even make ro8.
vishrut
Profile Joined April 2009
United States567 Posts
May 13 2011 06:34 GMT
#188
does anybody actually know when the osl is going to start? Are they trying to desynchronize the msl and osl so that there is always one league going on? That would be good for the players
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 08:17:45
May 13 2011 08:16 GMT
#189
Bisu not winning series makes his fans root for him all the more, because all evidence in the past 2 years suggests he easily has the skill to win one, but he keeps failing all the time in varying ways. We're waiting for the moment the dam bursts and Bisu storms his way to another gold.

2011 looks to be as good a year as any for him to do just that. Maybe in the revamped OSL. Maybe in the next MSL. We all hope, because as much as Stork has been the most consistent Protoss of the past few years, it's hard to hope for him winning in the finals against the current crop of S-Class (Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, maybe Hydra and soon to be Effort).
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
pathy
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Taiwan619 Posts
May 13 2011 21:53 GMT
#190
sighhh stork :s
Graphicscolosi suck
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
May 13 2011 22:14 GMT
#191
On May 13 2011 15:34 vishrut wrote:
does anybody actually know when the osl is going to start? Are they trying to desynchronize the msl and osl so that there is always one league going on? That would be good for the players


Yeah, I am wondering about this as well.

I am also really glad to see Movie back on the power rank. As for Bisu, his lack of individual league success will just make his next big run all the better.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 13 2011 22:25 GMT
#192
I can't believe that Bisu hasn't won a series for so long and the last was 4 months close to July's last title. Pretty damning stuff.

On May 13 2011 15:34 vishrut wrote:
does anybody actually know when the osl is going to start? Are they trying to desynchronize the msl and osl so that there is always one league going on? That would be good for the players


The OSL has already started after it's rebranding as MyStarleague, there's qualifiers already taking place around Korea afaik. Why there's barely any information about it on here i don't know.
Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
May 13 2011 22:58 GMT
#193
On May 14 2011 07:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
I can't believe that Bisu hasn't won a series for so long and the last was 4 months close to July's last title. Pretty damning stuff.

Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 15:34 vishrut wrote:
does anybody actually know when the osl is going to start? Are they trying to desynchronize the msl and osl so that there is always one league going on? That would be good for the players


The OSL has already started after it's rebranding as MyStarleague, there's qualifiers already taking place around Korea afaik. Why there's barely any information about it on here i don't know.

Well he did beat Mind and hyvaa in Bo3s during Ro36 for Korean Air OSL S2. And he beat Baby at WCG 2010 if we're gonna count that. Not the most impressive list of series opponents but its something? Lol.
Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
May 14 2011 00:30 GMT
#194
On May 14 2011 07:58 Tempest[OEC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 07:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
I can't believe that Bisu hasn't won a series for so long and the last was 4 months close to July's last title. Pretty damning stuff.

On May 13 2011 15:34 vishrut wrote:
does anybody actually know when the osl is going to start? Are they trying to desynchronize the msl and osl so that there is always one league going on? That would be good for the players


The OSL has already started after it's rebranding as MyStarleague, there's qualifiers already taking place around Korea afaik. Why there's barely any information about it on here i don't know.

Well he did beat Mind and hyvaa in Bo3s during Ro36 for Korean Air OSL S2. And he beat Baby at WCG 2010 if we're gonna count that. Not the most impressive list of series opponents but its something? Lol.


Maybe he was probably talking about Individual Leagues after the group ceremonies? The OSL ceremony is when 16 players are left.
Tempest[OEC]
Profile Joined February 2010
United States417 Posts
May 14 2011 01:49 GMT
#195
On May 14 2011 09:30 Tenhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 07:58 Tempest[OEC] wrote:
On May 14 2011 07:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
I can't believe that Bisu hasn't won a series for so long and the last was 4 months close to July's last title. Pretty damning stuff.

On May 13 2011 15:34 vishrut wrote:
does anybody actually know when the osl is going to start? Are they trying to desynchronize the msl and osl so that there is always one league going on? That would be good for the players


The OSL has already started after it's rebranding as MyStarleague, there's qualifiers already taking place around Korea afaik. Why there's barely any information about it on here i don't know.

Well he did beat Mind and hyvaa in Bo3s during Ro36 for Korean Air OSL S2. And he beat Baby at WCG 2010 if we're gonna count that. Not the most impressive list of series opponents but its something? Lol.


Maybe he was probably talking about Individual Leagues after the group ceremonies? The OSL ceremony is when 16 players are left.

If that is the case then yes I will concede that point. Haha.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
May 14 2011 03:18 GMT
#196
On May 13 2011 14:22 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 13:58 Mortality wrote:
On May 13 2011 11:33 red4ce wrote:
Random question for anyone who has been around more than 5 years. Was the November 2006 PR the first bw pr done on TL? I can't find any that go further back than that one.


Yes.

On May 13 2011 10:15 darktreb wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:26 aupstar wrote:
On May 11 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote:
On May 11 2011 03:19 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 11 2011 01:06 Mortality wrote:
I ask myself, had it been any other group -- or even any other permutation of the same group -- would Bisu have dropped out of MSL? And the answer I come back with is no.


Why? Failing out of individual leagues against opponents over whom he is the favorite has been Bisu's modus operandi for a while now.

What's unusual about this season is that Bisu was knocked out by a good player.

You forgot last MSL, Bisu was knocked out by Stork. And in OSL he was knocked out by Shine, who was in a hot streak at that time. Hard to believe if you look at his results now, I know. But it's true.


Lets look at individual titles in the previous seasons and see who Bisu was kicked out by:

Korean air S2 OSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by effort and leta

WCG2010
Knocked out by Kal 2:0

Bigfile MSL 2010
Knocked out Sea 2:0

Hana Daetoo MSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by shuttle and movie

Korean Air S1 OSL 2010
Knocked out by go.go 2:1

Nate MSL 2009
Knocked out by Bogus and Guemchi

Ever OSL 2009
Knocked out by Shine 2:1

Which brings us finally to his last series win

WCG2009 Finals
Not Knocked out by Stork 2:0 (This was also the last Bo3 that he won)

Avalon MSL2009
Knocked out by Iris 3:2

And his last Bo5 win

GomTV Classic Season 2 2009 (09-02-08 to be exact)
Not Knocked out by Jangbi 3:1


In conclusion, Mindcrime's hilarious statement holds true.

gg


Seriously, how do Bisu fans even talk? He hasn't won a BO3 or BO5 since 2009. 2009! It's been nearly TWO years since he's won even a single series!!!!!! No OSL ro4's. No MSL ro8's. TWO years, the streak continues until OSL starts, and let's be honest, who really thinks he's going to win a series there?


I fully agree that Bisu has something to prove. He's been "PL only" for way too long. But the reality is that Bisu was not an S-class player for most of 2010 and these arguments don't really say anything about Bisu's skill right now, when he most certainly is S-class, #1 Protoss player by ELO in every single match.

And it's certainly true that Bisu is still failing to advance now, but this past Ro32... fuck, EVERYONE knew that one of the three best players in the world was going to be sent home. As far as I know that situation has only happened once before in history (IOPS: NaDa, Oov, July in the same group -- NaDa and July faced off in the finals as a result).

Old results do provide a standard that can be used to put new results in context, but don't get carried away in thinking "Bisu can't possibly win a series because he has no ability at series play" when he's won THREE fucking SL's.



FFS why the fuck do I have to argue in favor of Bisu when 95+% of Bisu fans annoy the crap out of me?


I'm not saying he can't possibly win a series. But to go two years without winning one is truly amazing. The list of players who've won a series in the past two years is incredibly long. And yes, he's obviously the best Protoss player right now, and got a little unlucky with the group of death. But at a certain point when you have been unable to scrap together a win for two years, that's just simply indefensible, and until he manages to change there's not much to say. None of this "PL comes first" BS ... two years.

And of course everyone remembers he's won three titles - he's the greatest Protoss player of all time (and I say this as a huge anti-Bisu person), and I don't think there's even a close second place. But at a certain point, the statute of limitations on his titles has to be coming up, doesn't it? He hasn't won a title since 2008, nearly three years. His last title was only four months after July's last (and admittedly flukiest of all time) title. It was a different era ... Bisu needs to step up and go deep in a league for the sake of BW as a spectator sport. As someone who loves to hate Bisu, it actually frustrates me that he can't go deep in a league. It's no fun rooting against someone who can't even make ro8.


You've read my posts. You know I don't buy into that crap about PL uber alas. It's just crap. But I'm not going to ignore what he's doing in it either. The reality is that Bisu's play in April was fantastic -- unquestionably better than it's been during that entire 2 year time. And quite frankly it caught me by surprise too, because I wasn't expecting it.

P.S. July's title wasn't so much a fluke as metagame circumstances conspiring in his favor. It was Protoss season and July happened to be the best ZvP player in the world at that time. And I might be tempted to argue Nal_Ra and maybe even Giyom (not many people remember because a number of Giyom's wins predate the existence of KeSPA, but Giyom won 75000 in prize money in a 6 month period, basically the same amount as winning 4-5 SL's in 6 months) on Bisu's level.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 14 2011 03:50 GMT
#197
On May 13 2011 10:15 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 22:26 aupstar wrote:
On May 11 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote:
On May 11 2011 03:19 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 11 2011 01:06 Mortality wrote:
I ask myself, had it been any other group -- or even any other permutation of the same group -- would Bisu have dropped out of MSL? And the answer I come back with is no.


Why? Failing out of individual leagues against opponents over whom he is the favorite has been Bisu's modus operandi for a while now.

What's unusual about this season is that Bisu was knocked out by a good player.

You forgot last MSL, Bisu was knocked out by Stork. And in OSL he was knocked out by Shine, who was in a hot streak at that time. Hard to believe if you look at his results now, I know. But it's true.


Lets look at individual titles in the previous seasons and see who Bisu was kicked out by:

Korean air S2 OSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by effort and leta

WCG2010
Knocked out by Kal 2:0

Bigfile MSL 2010
Knocked out Sea 2:0

Hana Daetoo MSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by shuttle and movie

Korean Air S1 OSL 2010
Knocked out by go.go 2:1

Nate MSL 2009
Knocked out by Bogus and Guemchi

Ever OSL 2009
Knocked out by Shine 2:1

Which brings us finally to his last series win

WCG2009 Finals
Not Knocked out by Stork 2:0 (This was also the last Bo3 that he won)

Avalon MSL2009
Knocked out by Iris 3:2

And his last Bo5 win

GomTV Classic Season 2 2009 (09-02-08 to be exact)
Not Knocked out by Jangbi 3:1


In conclusion, Mindcrime's hilarious statement holds true.

gg


Seriously, how do Bisu fans even talk? He hasn't won a BO3 or BO5 since 2009. 2009! It's been nearly TWO years since he's won even a single series!!!!!! No OSL ro4's. No MSL ro8's. TWO years, the streak continues until OSL starts, and let's be honest, who really thinks he's going to win a series there?


God.dammit lol.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 08:44:09
May 14 2011 04:04 GMT
#198
On May 14 2011 12:18 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 14:22 darktreb wrote:
On May 13 2011 13:58 Mortality wrote:
On May 13 2011 11:33 red4ce wrote:
Random question for anyone who has been around more than 5 years. Was the November 2006 PR the first bw pr done on TL? I can't find any that go further back than that one.


Yes.

On May 13 2011 10:15 darktreb wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:26 aupstar wrote:
On May 11 2011 17:07 chisuri wrote:
On May 11 2011 03:19 Mindcrime wrote:
On May 11 2011 01:06 Mortality wrote:
I ask myself, had it been any other group -- or even any other permutation of the same group -- would Bisu have dropped out of MSL? And the answer I come back with is no.


Why? Failing out of individual leagues against opponents over whom he is the favorite has been Bisu's modus operandi for a while now.

What's unusual about this season is that Bisu was knocked out by a good player.

You forgot last MSL, Bisu was knocked out by Stork. And in OSL he was knocked out by Shine, who was in a hot streak at that time. Hard to believe if you look at his results now, I know. But it's true.


Lets look at individual titles in the previous seasons and see who Bisu was kicked out by:

Korean air S2 OSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by effort and leta

WCG2010
Knocked out by Kal 2:0

Bigfile MSL 2010
Knocked out Sea 2:0

Hana Daetoo MSL 2010 (Ro32)
Knocked out by shuttle and movie

Korean Air S1 OSL 2010
Knocked out by go.go 2:1

Nate MSL 2009
Knocked out by Bogus and Guemchi

Ever OSL 2009
Knocked out by Shine 2:1

Which brings us finally to his last series win

WCG2009 Finals
Not Knocked out by Stork 2:0 (This was also the last Bo3 that he won)

Avalon MSL2009
Knocked out by Iris 3:2

And his last Bo5 win

GomTV Classic Season 2 2009 (09-02-08 to be exact)
Not Knocked out by Jangbi 3:1


In conclusion, Mindcrime's hilarious statement holds true.

gg


Seriously, how do Bisu fans even talk? He hasn't won a BO3 or BO5 since 2009. 2009! It's been nearly TWO years since he's won even a single series!!!!!! No OSL ro4's. No MSL ro8's. TWO years, the streak continues until OSL starts, and let's be honest, who really thinks he's going to win a series there?


I fully agree that Bisu has something to prove. He's been "PL only" for way too long. But the reality is that Bisu was not an S-class player for most of 2010 and these arguments don't really say anything about Bisu's skill right now, when he most certainly is S-class, #1 Protoss player by ELO in every single match.

And it's certainly true that Bisu is still failing to advance now, but this past Ro32... fuck, EVERYONE knew that one of the three best players in the world was going to be sent home. As far as I know that situation has only happened once before in history (IOPS: NaDa, Oov, July in the same group -- NaDa and July faced off in the finals as a result).

Old results do provide a standard that can be used to put new results in context, but don't get carried away in thinking "Bisu can't possibly win a series because he has no ability at series play" when he's won THREE fucking SL's.



FFS why the fuck do I have to argue in favor of Bisu when 95+% of Bisu fans annoy the crap out of me?


I'm not saying he can't possibly win a series. But to go two years without winning one is truly amazing. The list of players who've won a series in the past two years is incredibly long. And yes, he's obviously the best Protoss player right now, and got a little unlucky with the group of death. But at a certain point when you have been unable to scrap together a win for two years, that's just simply indefensible, and until he manages to change there's not much to say. None of this "PL comes first" BS ... two years.

And of course everyone remembers he's won three titles - he's the greatest Protoss player of all time (and I say this as a huge anti-Bisu person), and I don't think there's even a close second place. But at a certain point, the statute of limitations on his titles has to be coming up, doesn't it? He hasn't won a title since 2008, nearly three years. His last title was only four months after July's last (and admittedly flukiest of all time) title. It was a different era ... Bisu needs to step up and go deep in a league for the sake of BW as a spectator sport. As someone who loves to hate Bisu, it actually frustrates me that he can't go deep in a league. It's no fun rooting against someone who can't even make ro8.


You've read my posts. You know I don't buy into that crap about PL uber alas. It's just crap. But I'm not going to ignore what he's doing in it either. The reality is that Bisu's play in April was fantastic -- unquestionably better than it's been during that entire 2 year time. And quite frankly it caught me by surprise too, because I wasn't expecting it.

P.S. July's title wasn't so much a fluke as metagame circumstances conspiring in his favor. It was Protoss season and July happened to be the best ZvP player in the world at that time. And I might be tempted to argue Nal_Ra and maybe even Giyom (not many people remember because a number of Giyom's wins predate the existence of KeSPA, but Giyom won 75000 in prize money in a 6 month period, basically the same amount as winning 4-5 SL's in 6 months) on Bisu's level.


July's title was a fluke because he played rock, backho, and best. Anyone's title would've been a fluke with that lineup.

And while I know people want to make a big deal out of best and such but he's never proved since that he was really a good enough player to be true contender for titles, he just happened to be hot in one tournament and made it there (like Yarnc, Movie, Great, etc. pretty good players who happened upon a final that they probably aren't the correct calibre for).
Remember Violet.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
May 14 2011 04:30 GMT
#199
Best was a little different. Of the four you mentioned, best had the 2nd highest elo peak, just short of calm by 4 points (and he is far ahead if you ignore vZ). There was a time when his vT looked just about invincible, and a different time when his vP looked just about invincible. The other three can't say they dominated a MU (or 2) as thoroughly.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 06:40:06
May 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#200
On May 14 2011 07:25 infinity2k9 wrote:
I can't believe that Bisu hasn't won a series for so long and the last was 4 months close to July's last title. Pretty damning stuff.

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On May 13 2011 15:34 vishrut wrote:
does anybody actually know when the osl is going to start? Are they trying to desynchronize the msl and osl so that there is always one league going on? That would be good for the players


The OSL has already started after it's rebranding as MyStarleague, there's qualifiers already taking place around Korea afaik. Why there's barely any information about it on here i don't know.


He hasn't won a title since 4 months after July's, not series, minor point but it'd be RIDICULOUS (even moreso I guess) if he hadn't even won a series since then.

Who'd have thought that it would all start going downhill after his epic loss to Iris?

Edit: In other news, phenomenal play by Bisu against Jaedong. Simply beautiful to watch.
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