EPTPower Rank 09/14/2010 - Page 7
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kamizushi
Canada52 Posts
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DracoVolantus
Poland236 Posts
Especially helpful when switching from English to Korean commentary. I think that this PR is not like 'so, because everybody are angry it means Wax is right, not crowd' but there is a reason why all previous PR's were so much more about hype.. and little advertisement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=140406¤tpage=65#1290 | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
flash is the 2nd person to do so. there have been multiple people to make it to the finals of both league, but flash kind of made it not so special by doing it three consecutive seasons -_-;; i hope to god action can improve 1000x to give flash some good zerg competition that is late game based instead of efforts crazy aggressive early crushing style | ||
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dogabutila
United States1438 Posts
On September 15 2010 23:47 L0thar wrote: This PR really feels like Waxangel is trying to belittle most of what Flash has done. Sorry Wax, but instead of writing how Flash won the most titles in one season ever, you wrote that he just did something JD already did long time ago ("tied Jaedong at five 1st place finishes"). Instead of focusing on how Flash strategicaly read JD in both finals and destroyed his greatest rival on two biggest stages, you just wrote that they played on similar level and Flash happened to get all the trophies. Instead of mentioning how Flash lead his team to PL gold (which he did), you wrote how his contribution was relatively small. This may seem like pointless fanboy nitpicking, but this PR isn't about who's first, that was obvious even to hardest Flash hater. It was about the write up, about the words used. And while what you wrote about Flash is completely true, it's written in a very unenthusiastic way. Normaly I would address this fealings to my own pro-Flash bias and shut up, but this comment makes me wonder if I'm the only one biased here. You seemed quite enthusiastic back then, more than in the whole Flash section in this PR. I know that people who don't particulary like Flash aren't having the best times, with all the praising in other threads, but I don't think PR should try to lower the enthusiasm. If I may ask one question Wax, what is your opinion on Flash as a player? I know you considered him dull in long past, but whan now? It's not enough to be first, everybody has to ride it too!! Really, it was a succinct, accurate writeup. Much more analytical and less biased then we've had in the past. Wax laid out the grading criteria and then explained why each person got the ranking they did according to the criteria. It remains to be seen if the criteria changes from week to week or if this will be better in general. | ||
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KTF_CloaK
Netherlands1338 Posts
 i really agree with the rest of the pr though :D | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
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BingoFace
United States17 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2246 Posts
Also, i just found out Waxangels icon isn't Totoro, but some pokemon, this gives 10x power to my argumets. | ||
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kamizushi
Canada52 Posts
On September 16 2010 03:37 KTF_CloaK wrote: I seriously dont agree with this PR. Obviously you dont give flash enough credit (ye im a flash fan deal with it) and saying that light is better in TvZ than flash is just ridiculous (flash beat jaedong, light didnt) and wth is he doing there. A sniper in the top 5? come on. And leta is an obvius mistake, i mean he didnt do very well in wcg, not a good performance in msl, osl was ncie though getting in the round of 8 but leta has no wins racking up for him! his record is really mediocre this month, IMO you should have placed action or violet in there instead of dropship-fail-Leta. I expected more to say the least. Pretty short texts for the players in the PR and they are pretty bad too. But yeah thanks i guess for the pr and sorry if i bashed too much i really agree with the rest of the pr though :DLight isn't only a Zerg Sniper. Of course it's his best match up but he's also good at TvT. His only real weakness is PvT. Only a few players played this month and even fewer had success. Light is one of them. The fact he only played against his best match up certainly helped him but he deserve to be in this PR more than a player who failed don't you think? | ||
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Inkarnate
Canada840 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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champignones
Panama160 Posts
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines959 Posts
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swanized
Canada2480 Posts
On September 16 2010 06:10 champignones wrote: i tell you this PR and organizers are all fan biased, if its jaedong, then OMG what a god , if its flash then "just good" , well let me tell you jaedong havent broke the records flash has, even every single record set by jae flash has perfected it and done including BETTER (cough cough 3000 kespa) yeah thats right, and accomplished some things jae will never do (and yes flash is a Bonjwa theres just too much ignoring). this is the worst PR of all time, simply put it, the writter is JD favored or antiflash cause i know if jae would have won these two leagues , you will see all the c=)(// sucking reflected in PR. all my respects i had to TL is gone. *I nearly fell for your trolling* | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
I remember when NaDa won the OSL and was ranked something like THIRD on the PR. Let the power rank writers do what they do. There was a time Nal Ra would get ranked and the comment would be something like "PLEASE LOSE." and that would be it. Bisu beat Savior 3-0 in the MSL finals and was still ranked second. Flash is the number one player in the world, and the power rank reflects that. | ||
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ToeJam
United States282 Posts
 <3 you | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On September 15 2010 23:47 L0thar wrote: This PR really feels like Waxangel is trying to belittle most of what Flash has done. Sorry Wax, but instead of writing how Flash won the most titles in one season ever, you wrote that he just did something JD already did long time ago ("tied Jaedong at five 1st place finishes"). Instead of focusing on how Flash strategicaly read JD in both finals and destroyed his greatest rival on two biggest stages, you just wrote that they played on similar level and Flash happened to get all the trophies. Instead of mentioning how Flash lead his team to PL gold (which he did), you wrote how his contribution was relatively small. This may seem like pointless fanboy nitpicking, but this PR isn't about who's first, that was obvious even to hardest Flash hater. It was about the write up, about the words used. And while what you wrote about Flash is completely true, it's written in a very unenthusiastic way. Normaly I would address this fealings to my own pro-Flash bias and shut up, but this comment makes me wonder if I'm the only one biased here. You seemed quite enthusiastic back then, more than in the whole Flash section in this PR. I know that people who don't particulary like Flash aren't having the best times, with all the praising in other threads, but I don't think PR should try to lower the enthusiasm. If I may ask one question Wax, what is your opinion on Flash as a player? I know you considered him dull in long past, but whan now? He beat Hyuk. HYUK. I can't think of a single run of the mill Terran that couldn't beat Hyuk the way he's playing right now. | ||
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TaimalaiX
Canada88 Posts
How is it possible that people go from "KTFlash" to "he beat Hyuk, he didn't do anything" without realizing how stupid the jump is? This isn't specifically at SubtleArt, rather at posters in general who choose to focus on Flash beating a ZvT newbie rather than him being in that situation because KT got matchups they wanted all over the place as a result of having weeks to prepare for the match. It's ridiculous. Flash deserved one of two things this month on the PR: a listing of his accomplishments to put into correct perspective how epic his play truly was - or - a direct acknowledgement of Bonjwa status. Instead he got a shorter write-up than most of the others on the PR focused on how he was now about even with Jaedong. It may not have been intended that way, but if you were to read this PR a year from now and see "Flash tied JD for SL wins" and "they were evenly matched but Flash got the trophies" would you honestly think that was referring to a dual league winner, golden mouse winner, proleague MVP, winner's league MVP, proleague champion, finalist in 6 consecutive SLs, Kespa and ELO record-holder who just defeated his closest competition in 2 Bo5's (that weren't honestly that close)? I wouldn't. Maybe that's my error, but I doubt it. Either way, players are where they should be - or at least close enough. In the future though, it would be nice to keep in mind that PRs serve a purpose for posterity and try to give credit where it is due. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
4 Golds in 3 Seasons Flash: 4 Golds and 2 Silver in 3 Seasons Savior: 4 Golds and 2 Silver in ~5 Seasons* Flash beats everyone! *The MSL was kinda funky with its seasons around 2005-2006. But he made 5 MSL finals in a row, so we'll say 5 seasons. | ||
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