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On June 04 2010 07:15 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 07:10 nodule wrote:On June 03 2010 10:55 o[twist] wrote:
baby is favored against almost everybody in broodwar right now. maybe all of the top 3, maybe skyhigh, maybe a couple tosses with PvT specialties. he looked absolutely stellar in games like the ones against great, hyun, and kal. Baby's playing well, but to call him a favourite over Flash, Effort, and Jaedong is patently absurd. I think he meant, favourite against everyone EXCEPT top 3 and maybe skyhigh's tvt and the very best /sneakiest PvT'ers.. :O Although personally I'd think he'd smash effort 
I am so looking forward to CJ vs WeMade/KT again.
Baby/Flash facing one of Skyhigh/Snow/Effort makes me so exciting.
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On June 03 2010 10:55 o[twist] wrote:
baby is favored against almost everybody in broodwar right now. maybe all of the top 3, maybe skyhigh, maybe a couple tosses with PvT specialties. he looked absolutely stellar in games like the ones against great, hyun, and kal.
He is not favored against any of the top 3.
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I'd say Baby's a favorite against Effort and about 50/50 vs Jaedong.
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i'm sorry guys, i meant to say "except maybe" etc. e.g., skyhigh, snow and stork or whoever, and maybe the PR top 3 are favored or equal against baby. personally i think baby's TvZ has been a monster recently and i don't think he'd be quite as susceptible to early ling play as flash seems to be, and also he tends more towards dropship play than valk play... so i think, at least in a standard PL match, i'd tend towards baby over effort and maybe over jaedong. but i'm a baby fanatic and always have been, so i specifically excepted this from my formula - or i meant to.
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On June 04 2010 08:02 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 10:55 o[twist] wrote:
baby is favored against almost everybody in broodwar right now. maybe all of the top 3, maybe skyhigh, maybe a couple tosses with PvT specialties. he looked absolutely stellar in games like the ones against great, hyun, and kal. He is not favored against any of the top 3.
I think he meant "everyone but the top 3, SkyHigh or the top PvT specialists."
BTW, anyone else starting to watch out for this kid Classic? Kid wins an awful lot.
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Classic is a fucking beast. He be raping everyone.
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mmmmm I can't agree with Shine and Shuttle, and I don't think Snow should be so high, but then again, there are few players who have been playing well...
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Is Snow the dominant Protoss right now? I think you may be looking too much into the Flash matchup. Flash's versus Protoss was perfect - he was utterly unbeatable. It's significant that Snow beat him. But Flash is only one man. Overall, Protoss are playing fine against Terran; statistically the matchup still favors Protoss. So you might place too much stock in Snow beating a Terran - even if it was Flash.
It is Zerg that are the bane of the Protoss race, as they have always been (except maybe when Bisu shocked the world). And as you said, that is Snow's worst matchup. I strongly believe that the leader of the Protoss race - whether you want to call him the King, the Dragon, or just the best Toss - has to be the best versus Zerg, Is that Snow? Is it Movie, or Kal, or Shuttle? I don't know. But if you don't think it's Snow, then maybe he should not be the highest rank.
Protoss can only prove their worth by mastering Zerg. Flash is just an unstoppable force that can occasionally be slowed down. Snow earned his spot from a high amount of wins (obviously many more than just Flash) but for future discussions I feel it has to be the master of versus Zerg.
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Question: why is  Shine in the ranking when RorO isn't? he was 10-1 last month with a single loss to  JangBi.he's not even on CBNC.why?
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If anything, RorO deserves it more than Midas who is riding off of last month's charm.
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On June 04 2010 07:15 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 07:10 nodule wrote:On June 03 2010 10:55 o[twist] wrote:
baby is favored against almost everybody in broodwar right now. maybe all of the top 3, maybe skyhigh, maybe a couple tosses with PvT specialties. he looked absolutely stellar in games like the ones against great, hyun, and kal. Baby's playing well, but to call him a favourite over Flash, Effort, and Jaedong is patently absurd. I think he meant, favourite against everyone EXCEPT top 3 and maybe skyhigh's tvt and the very best /sneakiest PvT'ers.. :O Although personally I'd think he'd smash effort
Ah, now it makes sense. o, I absolve you of absurdity (patent-wise, at least)
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you spoiled the msl for me.
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On June 04 2010 18:40 matthewfoulkes wrote:
you spoiled the msl for me.
Who's "you" and why are you browsing through the powerranks weeks after the MSL finals if you haven't seen it? :O
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On June 04 2010 13:52 BloodDrunK wrote:Question: why is Shine in the ranking when RorO isn't? he was 10-1 last month with a single loss to JangBi.he's not even on CBNC.why?
No idea, he' deserve ATLEAST CBNC with that record :o
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On June 04 2010 23:12 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 13:52 BloodDrunK wrote:Question: why is Shine in the ranking when RorO isn't? he was 10-1 last month with a single loss to JangBi.he's not even on CBNC.why? No idea, he' deserve ATLEAST CBNC with that record :o
sometimes plexa just completely overlooks certain players, like he did with effort and snow right up until this month and quite a few players in the past
but oh well doing the PR must be hard, so many games played..
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True. Remember last month when Great was ranked as the second highest Zerg, and apparently was playing with more "power" than Calm and Eff0rt? Oops?
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Just realized Effort is on a 22-2 tear with both losses to flash (who he beat 4 times in that span). I'm a little speechless.
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It has been said a couple of times, but there was nearly no reason EffOrt should have been on the PR, so he was not overlooked, but just playing badly.
Effort in March-April
after the 5xtiebreaker (which was horrible), he went on a four game winning-streak. That may have qualified him for #9-10 maybe, but nothing more.
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That's not really it. Firstly, it's bad form to count offline prelim results as part of a streak since the competition tends to be notably easier than competition in standard leagues. Saying Roro went 10-1 and leaving it at that is misleading. You can't compare that 10-1 with Flash's 18-6, for instance.
The reason why Shine was considered over Roro is that Roro has a reputation as a ZvZ sniper and did nothing to disprove it. The only strong non-Zerg he beat was Puma and that was a ling all-in vs 2 port wraith, which says nothing, really.
And you can't name everyone who had good stats in a particular month on the CBNC list. That would be bad form. You have to make educated guesses about who really is stronger. If Roro does well next month, you'll surely come back bitching, but what if Roro flops? Roro still has something to prove. Next month wait and see.
And Effort and Snow weren't really missed. Up until that re-re-regame, Effort's play was absolute crap. Post re-re-regame, the only games Effort played in April were ZvZ. There wasn't enough there to actually say that Effort had returned to form.
Snow's record going into April wasn't that good and he went 3-1 that month. And yeah, he beat strong players, but: 1.) his PvZ record was crap, and 2.) there was no way of knowing whether or not his wins over Kal and Really were flukes. Snow made the ranking because in May he backed up what he had done in April as being real. And honestly? Snow's current ranking is too high. He's probably the best PvT player in the world, but he has a bit too much to prove in PvZ to be rank 5.
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On June 05 2010 02:57 Mortality wrote:
That's not really it. Firstly, it's bad form to count offline prelim results as part of a streak since the competition tends to be notably easier than competition in standard leagues. Saying Roro went 10-1 and leaving it at that is misleading. You can't compare that 10-1 with Flash's 18-6, for instance.
The reason why Shine was considered over Roro is that Roro has a reputation as a ZvZ sniper and did nothing to disprove it. The only strong non-Zerg he beat was Puma and that was a ling all-in vs 2 port wraith, which says nothing, really.
And you can't name everyone who had good stats in a particular month on the CBNC list. That would be bad form. You have to make educated guesses about who really is stronger. If Roro does well next month, you'll surely come back bitching, but what if Roro flops? Roro still has something to prove. Next month wait and see.
And Effort and Snow weren't really missed. Up until that re-re-regame, Effort's play was absolute crap. Post re-re-regame, the only games Effort played in April were ZvZ. There wasn't enough there to actually say that Effort had returned to form.
Snow's record going into April wasn't that good and he went 3-1 that month. And yeah, he beat strong players, but: 1.) his PvZ record was crap, and 2.) there was no way of knowing whether or not his wins over Kal and Really were flukes. Snow made the ranking because in May he backed up what he had done in April as being real. And honestly? Snow's current ranking is too high. He's probably the best PvT player in the world, but he has a bit too much to prove in PvZ to be rank 5.
Roro>Shine in ZvT
Roro=Shine in ZvZ
Roro<Shine in ZvP
He definitely is not just a ZvZ sniper. He's getting results, but each time I think of Roro I think of "mediocre zerg" -_-
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