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On June 01 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 21:36 J1.au wrote:On June 01 2010 21:25 SuperArc wrote:On June 01 2010 21:21 Mooncat wrote:On June 01 2010 20:53 Lightningbullet wrote: Flash Just lost to HiyA. That can't be good.  It's never good to see Flash lose, but it happens. yeah, even Flash has to show signs of burnout, I think he is going through the same way Jaedong did last summer. Jaedong looked like a zombie back then. Dual finals back to back and carrying your team to the playoffs. Poor Flash. I doubt it. If Flash was ever going to slump again it would've been after the OSL finals. Instead he just shrugs it off and comes back as an even stronger player. His loss to HiYa will only result in him practising more TvT. You must be a bandwagon Flash fan since you dont remember last year. Flash doesnt have unlimited stamina. And I assure you Flash has been practicing enough TvT.
You dont have to be a biased flash fan to know that each time he lost in his dominating period, he started practicing the matchup more undtil his faults were fixed. I am not doubting that he might be burned out sooner or later, it's bound to happen sometime.
But last season flash only had Violet to rely on, now he can fall back on fOrGG, Violet and Stats. That is a major difference.
We know you are a terrible poster.
We know you can have some points.
But please try to take things in perspective.
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On June 01 2010 22:50 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:On June 01 2010 21:36 J1.au wrote:On June 01 2010 21:25 SuperArc wrote:On June 01 2010 21:21 Mooncat wrote:On June 01 2010 20:53 Lightningbullet wrote:Flash Just lost to HiyA. That can't be good. It's never good to see Flash lose, but it happens. yeah, even Flash has to show signs of burnout, I think he is going through the same way Jaedong did last summer. Jaedong looked like a zombie back then. Dual finals back to back and carrying your team to the playoffs. Poor Flash. I doubt it. If Flash was ever going to slump again it would've been after the OSL finals. Instead he just shrugs it off and comes back as an even stronger player. His loss to HiYa will only result in him practising more TvT. You must be a bandwagon Flash fan since you dont remember last year. Flash doesnt have unlimited stamina. And I assure you Flash has been practicing enough TvT. You dont have to be a biased flash fan to know that each time he lost in his dominating period, he started practicing the matchup more undtil his faults were fixed. I am not doubting that he might be burned out sooner or later, it's bound to happen sometime. But last season flash only had Violet to rely on, now he can fall back on fOrGG, Violet and Stats. That is a major difference. We know you are a terrible poster. We know you can have some points. But please try to take things in perspective.
actually last season Flash had no one to rely on, except Lux when he decided to not throw games, Violet only started playing well when KT was already out of top7, but otherwise you are right
Random note, I really hoped TLPD will get fixed soon. I wanna see Snow on top at PvT. =)
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Flash is Bonjwa, that is easy. And good PR. But three protosses in the age when protoss is trash overall, is weird.
I remember when zerg race was trash, there was only JD in PR on 5-th position and no more zergs.
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lol Midas... well whatever.
I'll take it! Midas on any power rank is good.
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Over 4000 points in the Kespa rank. Wow. Flash has broken so many records since his dominance began. He needs to stop dropping games in PL though, or his crazy ELO and winrate will go down fast.
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On June 01 2010 20:53 Lightningbullet wrote:Flash Just lost to HiyA. That can't be good. Hiya wasn't far from making the list this month, so it's not a terrible sign.
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On June 01 2010 23:23 Plexa wrote:Hiya wasn't far from making the list this month, so it's not a terrible sign.
Really? That surprises me since you called Hiya a robot. =/
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On June 01 2010 23:13 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 22:50 Iplaythings wrote:On June 01 2010 21:41 SuperArc wrote:On June 01 2010 21:36 J1.au wrote:On June 01 2010 21:25 SuperArc wrote:On June 01 2010 21:21 Mooncat wrote:On June 01 2010 20:53 Lightningbullet wrote:Flash Just lost to HiyA. That can't be good. It's never good to see Flash lose, but it happens. yeah, even Flash has to show signs of burnout, I think he is going through the same way Jaedong did last summer. Jaedong looked like a zombie back then. Dual finals back to back and carrying your team to the playoffs. Poor Flash. I doubt it. If Flash was ever going to slump again it would've been after the OSL finals. Instead he just shrugs it off and comes back as an even stronger player. His loss to HiYa will only result in him practising more TvT. You must be a bandwagon Flash fan since you dont remember last year. Flash doesnt have unlimited stamina. And I assure you Flash has been practicing enough TvT. You dont have to be a biased flash fan to know that each time he lost in his dominating period, he started practicing the matchup more undtil his faults were fixed. I am not doubting that he might be burned out sooner or later, it's bound to happen sometime. But last season flash only had Violet to rely on, now he can fall back on fOrGG, Violet and Stats. That is a major difference. We know you are a terrible poster. We know you can have some points. But please try to take things in perspective. actually last season Flash had no one to rely on, except Lux when he decided to not throw games, Violet only started playing well when KT was already out of top7, but otherwise you are right Random note, I really hoped TLPD will get fixed soon. I wanna see Snow on top at PvT. =)
You referred to a year back, same for me  .
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On June 01 2010 23:33 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Robots aren't bad.
Robots usually have excellent mechanics but dumb as hell.
I'd call Backho a robot, not hiya
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Lol Flash is so good, the way he turned around that game vs hiya.. seriously I was amazed.
Flash turned around what seemed a hopeless situation to an advantage but Hiya found a nice opening with that drop and Flash missed on a scan, went out of position, and that can be very devestating.
Lately somehow I've come to think Flash's TvT is his weakest matchup, even thouhg he's the best TvT'er out there he more than often gets into long, drawn out and pretty equal games until he does something wierd (macro hi) and wins.
Well played by Hiya and I think if he can keep this up he'll join the ranks next month.
Also I really dislike KT's new uniform...
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TvT isn't really his "weakest" matchup, its just terrans caught up to him just like zergs did to Jaedong.
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On June 02 2010 00:44 SuperArc wrote:
TvT isn't really his "weakest" matchup, its just terrans caught up to him just like zergs did to Jaedong.
He's most likely to lose in a TvT nowadays rather than TvZ and TvP from what you can see. Even the games where he wins can sometimes look painfully equal.
It doesn't matter how you rank "weakest matchup". It's always relative. If other players are stronger than avarage and thus you lose more, it's still your weakest matchup.
His results say his TvT is equally strong as his other matchups but the games tells me another story.
TvT is the matchup I've found Flash's play to be least dominant and have been so for about 2 months now. Remember I don't just watch TLPD score, I watch the games.
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This month's PR has to be my most anticipated one so far. Thanks for getting it up so quick. #1-3 spot on imo. GJ!
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On June 02 2010 00:47 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2010 00:44 SuperArc wrote:
TvT isn't really his "weakest" matchup, its just terrans caught up to him just like zergs did to Jaedong. He's most likely to lose in a TvT nowadays rather than TvZ and TvP from what you can see. Even the games where he wins can sometimes look painfully equal. It doesn't matter how you rank "weakest matchup". It's always relative. If other players are stronger than avarage and thus you lose more, it's still your weakest matchup. His results say his TvT is equally strong as his other matchups but the games tells me another story. TvT is the matchup I've found Flash's play to be least dominant and have been so for about 2 months now. Remember I don't just watch TLPD score, I watch the games.
It's very rare for a single TvT to really show a dominance. Since it's a much much "slower" MU than ZvZ or even PvP, the things that win TvT don't show up as much - in most TvTs there really is a point I usually find myself going, "Wait, 6 bases to 2 how did this happen?"
Yes, the gap between Flash and everybody else has probably narrowed, between others studying Flash's play and Flash playing exclusively TvZ and TvP in the MSL and OSL since the semifinals. But Flash still looks like the dominant TvTer.
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Top 4 is good and right. The rest is just a toss up. There's never really any way to rank all the way to the top 10 when nobody else stands out.
Snow being top 5 is a mistake.
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On June 02 2010 02:07 Musoeun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2010 00:47 StylishVODs wrote:On June 02 2010 00:44 SuperArc wrote:
TvT isn't really his "weakest" matchup, its just terrans caught up to him just like zergs did to Jaedong. He's most likely to lose in a TvT nowadays rather than TvZ and TvP from what you can see. Even the games where he wins can sometimes look painfully equal. It doesn't matter how you rank "weakest matchup". It's always relative. If other players are stronger than avarage and thus you lose more, it's still your weakest matchup. His results say his TvT is equally strong as his other matchups but the games tells me another story. TvT is the matchup I've found Flash's play to be least dominant and have been so for about 2 months now. Remember I don't just watch TLPD score, I watch the games. It's very rare for a single TvT to really show a dominance. Since it's a much much "slower" MU than ZvZ or even PvP, the things that win TvT don't show up as much - in most TvTs there really is a point I usually find myself going, "Wait, 6 bases to 2 how did this happen?" Yes, the gap between Flash and everybody else has probably narrowed, between others studying Flash's play and Flash playing exclusively TvZ and TvP in the MSL and OSL since the semifinals. But Flash still looks like the dominant TvTer.
Yes he certainly do.
It's just that, as of late, this is the matchup which I'm the least confident of him winning.
That doesn't say he's not still the best.
If he plays vs FBH, Leta, Sea, hiya or some other with good recent TvT showings I feel much less sure of a win than if he would face almost any zerg and protoss.
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On June 02 2010 02:27 StylishVODs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2010 02:07 Musoeun wrote:On June 02 2010 00:47 StylishVODs wrote:On June 02 2010 00:44 SuperArc wrote:
TvT isn't really his "weakest" matchup, its just terrans caught up to him just like zergs did to Jaedong. He's most likely to lose in a TvT nowadays rather than TvZ and TvP from what you can see. Even the games where he wins can sometimes look painfully equal. It doesn't matter how you rank "weakest matchup". It's always relative. If other players are stronger than avarage and thus you lose more, it's still your weakest matchup. His results say his TvT is equally strong as his other matchups but the games tells me another story. TvT is the matchup I've found Flash's play to be least dominant and have been so for about 2 months now. Remember I don't just watch TLPD score, I watch the games. It's very rare for a single TvT to really show a dominance. Since it's a much much "slower" MU than ZvZ or even PvP, the things that win TvT don't show up as much - in most TvTs there really is a point I usually find myself going, "Wait, 6 bases to 2 how did this happen?" Yes, the gap between Flash and everybody else has probably narrowed, between others studying Flash's play and Flash playing exclusively TvZ and TvP in the MSL and OSL since the semifinals. But Flash still looks like the dominant TvTer. Yes he certainly do. It's just that, as of late, this is the matchup which I'm the least confident of him winning. That doesn't say he's not still the best. If he plays vs FBH, Leta, Sea, hiya or some other with good recent TvT showings I feel much less sure of a win than if he would face almost any zerg and protoss.
You forgot the most important, Skyhigh.
And FBH always plays S-class against Flash and loses in the end haha.
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On June 02 2010 02:32 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2010 02:27 StylishVODs wrote:On June 02 2010 02:07 Musoeun wrote:On June 02 2010 00:47 StylishVODs wrote:On June 02 2010 00:44 SuperArc wrote:
TvT isn't really his "weakest" matchup, its just terrans caught up to him just like zergs did to Jaedong. He's most likely to lose in a TvT nowadays rather than TvZ and TvP from what you can see. Even the games where he wins can sometimes look painfully equal. It doesn't matter how you rank "weakest matchup". It's always relative. If other players are stronger than avarage and thus you lose more, it's still your weakest matchup. His results say his TvT is equally strong as his other matchups but the games tells me another story. TvT is the matchup I've found Flash's play to be least dominant and have been so for about 2 months now. Remember I don't just watch TLPD score, I watch the games. It's very rare for a single TvT to really show a dominance. Since it's a much much "slower" MU than ZvZ or even PvP, the things that win TvT don't show up as much - in most TvTs there really is a point I usually find myself going, "Wait, 6 bases to 2 how did this happen?" Yes, the gap between Flash and everybody else has probably narrowed, between others studying Flash's play and Flash playing exclusively TvZ and TvP in the MSL and OSL since the semifinals. But Flash still looks like the dominant TvTer. Yes he certainly do. It's just that, as of late, this is the matchup which I'm the least confident of him winning. That doesn't say he's not still the best. If he plays vs FBH, Leta, Sea, hiya or some other with good recent TvT showings I feel much less sure of a win than if he would face almost any zerg and protoss. You forgot the most important, Skyhigh. And FBH always plays S-class against Flash and loses in the end haha.
yeah, forgot skyhigh and baby. point is there's plenty of terrans that play dangerously good TvT right now.
Whereas zerg and protoss offer no consistent threat right now. Except Jaedong...
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On June 01 2010 06:46 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 05:57 tree.hugger wrote:On June 01 2010 02:19 Mykill wrote:Calm ahead of Shine imo Effort ftw  Calm had a losing record this month, with wins against great, Crazy-Hydra, Peace, and one lone win against Jaedong in a series in which he was impressive, but ultimately totally outclassed. Not PR-worthy at all. On June 01 2010 05:26 Holgerius wrote:On June 01 2010 05:02 ]343[ wrote:
oh the other thing: why is fantasy on the rank at all? was he really that impressive?... Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't understand this. fantasy played an excellent game against Flash that he barely lost, then made him look stupid with good scouting, and an inventive cheese on his part. He lost to Jaedong because JD responded perfectly to a really neat build. He lost to EffOrt in another excellent and close game. And the rest of the month he rolled. So basically, close losses, and strong performances across the board. ''The rest of the month'' doesn't include anything awesome at all. Seriously, the guy went 4-3 last month (and he's been around roughly 50% since a couple of months back) and did literally nothing impressive at all. The win vs Hiya was the only positive thing I can remember. The first game vs Flash wasn't even remotely close, Flash won that game more than 10 minutes before Fantasy gg'd. It was a rape. The second game was an extremely lucky win. The loss vs JD wasn't due to JD playing good, it was because Fantasy played like a complete fucking retard. The loss vs Effort showed that he's incapable of playing proper modern late game TvZ. The game vs Action was Fantasy winning the game with his BO (stopped the 4-pool (or was it 5-pool?) completely) and still almost died due to more retardation. His win vs Clam was a typical Fantasy vs Clam game, i.e one of them failed harder than the other. We can't give everyone who gets lucky vs Flash a spot on the PR just because of that. There are plenty of players who had a better (or at least just as good) month as Fantasy had. + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +
It's nice to see that you can't produce an argument that doesn't constitute an ad hominem or baseless blanket statement, Mr. Holgersson. Says more about you than Fantasy, admitedly, but I'm still going to take that as a pluss.
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