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. Honestly, for the same reason I think Snow and effort are placed far to high I think FlaSh could lose all the rest of his games this month and it shouldn't affect his rank. IPower Rank 05/31/2010 - Page 20
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
. Honestly, for the same reason I think Snow and effort are placed far to high I think FlaSh could lose all the rest of his games this month and it shouldn't affect his rank. I | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Flash can lose half his games, but if he's making his opponents play absurdly good Starcraft in order to earn those wins, then there's no reason to drop him from #1. Of course, if he collapses and plays like utter shit, that's a different story. But the reality is that when you're doing month-to-month rankings, you can't just look at stats alone to decide who is playing the best Starcraft. If a nobody comes out of the woodwork and runs up an awesome streak, is he suddenly the best player in the world? I don't think so. | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
On June 19 2010 12:15 Mortality wrote: I think people are ignoring the fact that you shouldn't just consider statistics, but also level of play in a more abstract sense when figuring power ranks. Flash can lose half his games, but if he's making his opponents play absurdly good Starcraft in order to earn those wins, then there's no reason to drop him from #1. Of course, if he collapses and plays like utter shit, that's a different story. But the reality is that when you're doing month-to-month rankings, you can't just look at stats alone to decide who is playing the best Starcraft. The same point I tried to make 3 pages ago. Completely agree. Flash is maintaining a very high level of play even in his lost games. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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L0thar
987 Posts
The OSL prelims? Are you serious? You can't hold against Flash that he is so good he (unlike Jaedong) doesn't have to play them. Performance in PL? He has the exact same amount of wins like Flash. Yeah, Flash lost many ace games, but guess what, JD even didn't get to play them. You can repeat how Oz sucks as many times as you want but it isn't going to change fact that you can't attribut JD some imaginary ace games which he didn't play, much less won. Funny thing is, the only time Oz actually managed to get the match to ace, their coach choose...Hiya (and it was apparently a good move). Maybe, just maybe if Hiya didn't have to practice his ass off for ace game(s?), he would do better in his regular games... Even if I take only this month and nothing else into account, Jaedong isn't doing better than Flash, he is just not doing worse. Reading some of the comments here I would get the impression that Jaedong is leading Oz to grand finals while Flash's losses cost KT playoff spot...which sorta isn't happening. The point is that Jaedong can't afford to lose a single game, because every match was important for Oz. Flash, on the other hand, has a perfect opportunity to rest a bit, given KT's position. The mere fact that Flash can lost like 4 ace games in a row and KT is still comfortably the #1 team speaks about how fucking good he is, because it was mainly him who get KT so high. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On June 18 2010 18:04 Elroi wrote: And also, Flash got #1 spot the same month he got thrashed by JD 3-1 in the last MSL. I think that has something to do with Flash being in both finals that week, winning one of them and wasn't "trashed" in the other. I'm pretty sure Jaedong would have got the top spot had he been the one in both finals. | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
And for the record, if Flash had won Game 3 in a similar manner to the first two, Effort would still be getting #2 this month - he completely deserves it. I so doubt it, a main factor of why he's number 2 is his OSL victory and a reverse all-kill on FlaSh. On the good side, at least fantasy is back into the Power rankings, baller terran ftw! | ||
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DemiSe
883 Posts
On June 20 2010 10:08 TriniMasta[wD] wrote: I so doubt it, a main factor of why he's number 2 is his OSL victory and a reverse all-kill on FlaSh. On the good side, at least fantasy is back into the Power rankings, baller terran ftw! Yea, Effort pulled of the impossible. Who the hekk would had imagine a reverse all-kill on Flash?! Atleast I know I didn't and those who say they did, they lie! (wink wink) | ||
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WWJDD
India342 Posts
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On June 17 2010 19:57 darktreb wrote: It's not like this rank was made right after Effort had a dominating month and then won the OSL over Flash, with JD subsequently getting murdered 3-0. Wait, what's that? It was made right after that happened? The only thing that's laughable is what you're saying. as much as people have wanted it to be true, effort has never been stronger than jaedong... ever. flash lost the OSL yet he's ahead of effort on the PR, but jaedong is behind effort because "effort won the osl." mmk. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On June 20 2010 16:10 InFdude wrote: + Show Spoiler + Wassup check out these http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=211&part=games&vs=all&league=team&map=any&from_year=2006&from_month=2&from_day=13&to_year=2010&to_month=6&to_day=16&action=Update --> check out when was the last time he lost a game . And check out this gosu win rate for the same period http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=all&league=team&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=3&from_day=15&to_year=2010&to_month=6&to_day=16&action=Update SkyHigh game not up there yet. Spoiler that shit yo. Layout busted. | ||
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On June 19 2010 17:06 adelarge wrote: Guess what, ace games are games like any other. Flash has lost around half of his recent games; Jaedong has won them all. Hard to see how you can call that "not doing better".Am I missing something here? What exactly did Jaedong do this month to put him ahead of Flash? The OSL prelims? Are you serious? You can't hold against Flash that he is so good he (unlike Jaedong) doesn't have to play them. Performance in PL? He has the exact same amount of wins like Flash. Yeah, Flash lost many ace games, but guess what, JD even didn't get to play them. Even if I take only this month and nothing else into account, Jaedong isn't doing better than Flash, he is just not doing worse. | ||
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o[twist]
United States4903 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8181 Posts
On June 20 2010 16:38 qrs wrote: Guess what, ace games are games like any other. Flash has lost around half of his recent games; Jaedong has won them all. Hard to see how you can call that "not doing better". lol yeah scrubs in offline prelims are games just like opposing teams ACES looking to snipe in ace matches. Anyways, Flash has had a bad month but it literally doesn't matter, his team is a lock for 1st seed in the playoffs. If these were clutch games I would call choke, but they aren't. Obviously Flash is upset, but these games are learning experiences... not crushing "omg im out of the playoffs" loses. TL has a short memory, Flash has dominated SC since the start of the season.. one bad month doesn't dethrown you. | ||
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InRaged
1047 Posts
On June 20 2010 16:38 qrs wrote: Guess what, ace games are games like any other. Flash has lost around half of his recent games; Jaedong has won them all. Hard to see how you can call that "not doing better". Once again, ace games are not like any other. You can't draw straight line between ace games and regular+offline prelims games. KT managers just haven't wrapped their minds around the fact no matter how good the player is he can't be lone ace for his team for such a long duration. One team already proved that when they lost in WL Finals last year. Guess who were that team's lone ace who despite of being in the best shape he's ever been ended up being sniped in one of the most crucial games for his team ever. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On June 20 2010 16:56 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah scrubs in offline prelims are games just like opposing teams ACES looking to snipe in ace matches. Anyways, Flash has had a bad month but it literally doesn't matter, his team is a lock for 1st seed in the playoffs. If these were clutch games I would call choke, but they aren't. Obviously Flash is upset, but these games are learning experiences... not crushing "omg im out of the playoffs" loses. TL has a short memory, Flash has dominated SC since the start of the season.. one bad month doesn't dethrown you. You know this is exactly how Jaedong lost his #1 spot on the PR right? He had just 3-0ed an OSL final but was having a shaky month, although it was hard to tell with only played 5 games played and the randomness of ZvZ, while Flash was on a 10-0 streak, having to play MST and whatnot. Well, Flash is losing every ace match and look at Jaedong's streak now. Edit: One more win and Jaedong sets a new winstreak record. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
On June 20 2010 16:38 qrs wrote: Guess what, ace games are games like any other. Flash has lost around half of his recent games; Jaedong has won them all. Hard to see how you can call that "not doing better". It's actually pretty easy to see. At the time when I wrote that Flash won every normal match and lost ace matches. JD won every normal match and didn't play any ace match. JD had the exact same number of wins like Flash in PL. For what we know, he could've lost all the ace matches as well. And the only time JD has the chance to play in ace, he dodged direct confrontation with Flash (ok, I don't believe he actually was afraid to play Flash, but his coach certainly wasn't confident in sending him). Now JD is up one game, that's true. | ||
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