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WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
June 21 2010 15:54 GMT
#421
Plexa will keep Flash at #1 even if he loses the rest of his matches this week. And frankly, I'm ok with that. I called Slump and I am sticking to it.
WWJDD??
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 21 2010 18:09 GMT
#422
On June 22 2010 00:40 tree.hugger wrote:
> Mystery terran #1 is 4-4 this month, and has lost several ace matches in a row. He is qualified into both starleagues as a seed. He's been mentioned at #1 and #2 on this page.


Could you be any more obvious?


> Mystery terran #2 is 4-3 this month, and was 0-2'd in the MST. He's been mentioned at #3 and #4 on this page.


Again...?

> Mystery terran #3 is 6-2 this month, qualified for the MSL, and has only lost one proleague game since May 11th, all in his weakest match-up. He's been mentioned once on this page, but only in the context of another player.


Fantasy

Can you identify and rank these three terrans?


The problem is that you're trying to infer too much with too little data. Flash's record for this month is pretty bad at first glance, but he's losing games against strong players who know with 90% certainty that their opponent will be Flash, while Flash himself has no such guarantee. Furthermore, Flash's momentum coming into this month is absolutely astounding and should not be forgotten.

Baby's record also looks pretty bad at first glance, but again, you're inferring too much with too little. The only loss on Baby's record that really comes as a surprise is Tyson. There's no shame in a Terran losing to Jaedong or Best. And again, like Flash, Baby has tremendous momentum. Look at the players he's taken out in the past two months, which include a 9 game win streak.

Fantasy is indeed looking solid again, but is his 6-2 really better? Let's have a look:

Flash: 4-4 so far this month, 6-4 in last 10, 22-10 last 2 months, including 2 SL finals. Many S-class opponents faced.

Baby: 4-3 so far this month, 7-3 in last 10, 10-4 last 2 months. Defeated: Flash, Stats, Kal, Great, Leta. Lost to: Best, Tyson, Jaedong, Guemchi.

Fantasy: 6-2 so far this month, 8-2 in last 10, 10-5 last 2 months. Defeated: Flash, Hiya, Effort, Action, Calm. Lost to: Soulkey, Snow, Effort, Jaedong, Flash.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
June 21 2010 18:15 GMT
#423
+ Show Spoiler +
Flash: 4-4 so far this month, 6-4 in last 10, 22-10 last 2 months, including 2 SL finals. Many S-class opponents faced.


Effort and Jaedong are the only ones that can be probably called S-class. And Effort's borderline. So, I don't see your side of the argument.

Also, it looks like Fantasy faced just as many S-class opponents as Flash.

But not to worry. Flash has plenty of time to get back to his ridiculous win-rate. The starleagues are a ways away and Flash only has to play one team-match in Pro-league.
WWJDD??
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-21 18:53:14
June 21 2010 18:51 GMT
#424
On June 21 2010 17:46 pvzvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2010 07:32 jalstar wrote:
Down: (Z)EffOrt, (P)Kal, (P)Shuttle, (T)Midas, (Z)Shine

Up: (P)free, (P)Stork, (Z)great, (T)Sea, (T)sKyHigh

Stats for CBNC at this point I think. He needs to have some more impressive wins in addition to beating Effort. Losing to Roro is pretty bad too since Roro's not as good as he was last month.

as much as i love stork i think he failed to qualify to any league + he isnt doing that hot


Stork is 5-2 this month, he's back to being Samsung's ace, and he's in the OSL. He's been playing excellent Starcraft and shouldn't be left off the PR due to being in only one of the leagues.

Also, Fantasy might have a better record than Baby but Baby's played some jaw-droppingly good games (against Flash and Stats particularly) while Fantasy has mostly just been playing ok, looking more like he's scraping out wins while Baby looks S-class on his best days and A-class on his worst.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 21 2010 20:17 GMT
#425
GREAT is really beasting it up right now :D
GANDHISAUCE
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 21 2010 21:12 GMT
#426
As of today, here is how I would rank the top ten:

1) Jaedong
2) Flash
3) Fantasy
4) Baby
5) Snow
6) Great
7) Leta
8) Free
9) Stork
10) Stats

To me, the hardest places to put players in were 3-5. You can make a case for all three of them to be in the third spot, but ultimately I chose Fantasy given how he has increased his weakest matchup, TvZ. I put Baby fourth because the quality of his wins have been magnificent. His game vs. Flash was an incredible display of his multitasking ability. Even though Snow beat Fantasy, I feel he is only going on his PvT right now. Both of his other matchups are really disappointing compared to his world-class PvT, and if he gets a bad draw in the starleagues he could be on his to an early exit because of it.
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 21 2010 22:02 GMT
#427
On June 22 2010 03:15 WWJDD wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Flash: 4-4 so far this month, 6-4 in last 10, 22-10 last 2 months, including 2 SL finals. Many S-class opponents faced.


Effort and Jaedong are the only ones that can be probably called S-class. And Effort's borderline. So, I don't see your side of the argument.

Also, it looks like Fantasy faced just as many S-class opponents as Flash.

But not to worry. Flash has plenty of time to get back to his ridiculous win-rate. The starleagues are a ways away and Flash only has to play one team-match in Pro-league.


3-0 against Free, who was #1 PvT ELO at the time.
A total of 6 games vs Effort, 2-4.
3-0 against Jaedong.
1-1 against Fantasy.
1-0 against Kal.
1-0 against Action.
0-1 against Baby.
0-1 against SkyHigh.
0-1 against Snow.

If these aren't some of the most dangerous opponents for a Terran to face, then I don't know who is.

And while we're talking about win rates, Flash has 69% wins in the past 2 months, maintained over 32 games.

A few hiccups aren't going to make him suddenly lose his spot.



Between the Flash fans who think he's already surpassed the bonjwas in reputation and the Flash haters who want to say he's not the scariest thing since Savior, there's some serious crazy talk going on.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
June 21 2010 22:06 GMT
#428
is it just me or calm has more losses than wins in his last 30 games what a fall...
where did he go??
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
June 21 2010 22:09 GMT
#429
A few hiccups by themselves aren't going to make Flash suddenly lose his spot, but there's also the fact that Jaedong's record has been absolutely phenomenal. It wouldn't be too much of a shame for Flash to drop one position, if just temporarily.

That said, both have games left to play this month.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 22 2010 01:02 GMT
#430
On June 22 2010 07:06 pvzvt wrote:
is it just me or calm has more losses than wins in his last 30 games what a fall...
where did he go??

Clam locked him in a closet probably.
GANDHISAUCE
DracoVolantus
Profile Joined February 2010
Poland236 Posts
June 22 2010 01:25 GMT
#431
short quiz:

player that can can win games only with scouting and proper macroing :>
EX CATHEDRA!
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
June 22 2010 03:41 GMT
#432
On June 22 2010 07:02 Mortality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2010 03:15 WWJDD wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Flash: 4-4 so far this month, 6-4 in last 10, 22-10 last 2 months, including 2 SL finals. Many S-class opponents faced.


Effort and Jaedong are the only ones that can be probably called S-class. And Effort's borderline. So, I don't see your side of the argument.

Also, it looks like Fantasy faced just as many S-class opponents as Flash.

But not to worry. Flash has plenty of time to get back to his ridiculous win-rate. The starleagues are a ways away and Flash only has to play one team-match in Pro-league.


3-0 against Free, who was #1 PvT ELO at the time.
A total of 6 games vs Effort, 2-4.
3-0 against Jaedong.
1-1 against Fantasy.
1-0 against Kal.
1-0 against Action.
0-1 against Baby.
0-1 against SkyHigh.
0-1 against Snow.

If these aren't some of the most dangerous opponents for a Terran to face, then I don't know who is.

And while we're talking about win rates, Flash has 69% wins in the past 2 months, maintained over 32 games.

A few hiccups aren't going to make him suddenly lose his spot.



Between the Flash fans who think he's already surpassed the bonjwas in reputation and the Flash haters who want to say he's not the scariest thing since Savior, there's some serious crazy talk going on.

27-9 last 2 months (75% win rate). I think FlaSh should stay number one but not because win rates say so
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-22 06:59:52
June 22 2010 06:17 GMT
#433
--- Nuked ---
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
June 22 2010 07:30 GMT
#434
It doesn't matter where you put Bisu this month. We all know, he will be high in PR next month. People already started to make changes with him in FPL.
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
June 22 2010 08:10 GMT
#435
On June 22 2010 16:30 arbiter_md wrote:
It doesn't matter where you put Bisu this month. We all know, he will be high in PR next month. People already started to make changes with him in FPL.


Since his break, roro is bisu's best win. I wouldn't get too hasty in predicting new successes for bisu.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
June 22 2010 12:24 GMT
#436
Bisu for Power Rank, He has been showing some of his old style
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
June 22 2010 16:00 GMT
#437
Bisu has showed some promising games, but I'm still not convinced he's returned to his old form. Roro, Skyhigh and 815 are nowhere near the best progamers...
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
June 22 2010 16:40 GMT
#438
On June 22 2010 06:12 setzer wrote:
As of today, here is how I would rank the top ten:

1) Jaedong
2) Flash
3) Fantasy
4) Baby
5) Snow
6) Great
7) Leta
8) Free
9) Stork
10) Stats

To me, the hardest places to put players in were 3-5. You can make a case for all three of them to be in the third spot, but ultimately I chose Fantasy given how he has increased his weakest matchup, TvZ. I put Baby fourth because the quality of his wins have been magnificent. His game vs. Flash was an incredible display of his multitasking ability. Even though Snow beat Fantasy, I feel he is only going on his PvT right now. Both of his other matchups are really disappointing compared to his world-class PvT, and if he gets a bad draw in the starleagues he could be on his to an early exit because of it.


Leta should not be there, Sea and Skyhigh are both playing much better and you left them off.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
June 22 2010 17:56 GMT
#439
I have an explanation for Flash Ace-slump. This happened with Jaedong too.

They were both on my FPL when they started slumping. What does this mean for Flash fangirls??

For one thing, Flash cannot be on my team for the playoffs, so a recovery is very much a possibility. Also, the same phenomenon apparently does not happen to my liquibets.
WWJDD??
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-22 19:12:47
June 22 2010 19:02 GMT
#440
(T)Flash, (Z)Jaedong, (T)BaBy, (T)Fantasy, (P)Snow, and mayyyybe (Z)EffOrt (he made MSL at least!... over some scrubs, but his 2-4 proleague record sure looks bad) should be in PR. The last few spots are harder...

I'd say (Z)great should be around #8 or 9, since he failed to make OSL ro16 T_T but has played surprisingly well otherwise.

Not sure about (P)Stork? Playing well in proleague is good; losing to (Z)s2 in MST is not.

(Z)Hyuk is 1-3 in proleague but made both leagues (and beat (P)Stats and the two Dream League bonjwas (P)Snow and (Z)Neo.G_SoulKey in OSL prelims... and 2-0'd a terran to make OSL!) I really don't like him, but being in both leagues is pretty important @_@

(T)Sea's playing pretty well. 2-2 in proleague, but no losses in OSL prelims, made OSL over (Z)great, and 2-0'd his MSL group of (P)Stork and (P)Flying, two not-so-bad protosses. In fact, he's 6-1 vP this month (and TvP is supposedly his worst matchup?), beating (P)Kal, (P)Stork, (P)Flying, (P)free, (P)Pusan, and (P)GuemChi, while losing to (P)Flying in proleague.

(T)sKyHigh... meh? 0-3 vs SKT protoss and no losses otherwise. Made MSL, 2-0'd KT in proleague including (T)Flash. I think we'll have to see if he qualifies for OSL ro16 before deciding.

(P)Stats: I love (P)Stats. (Incidentally, TLPD has a wrong entry, having (Z)Hyuk 2-0ing (P)Snow instead of beating (P)Snow and (P)Stats...) He made MSL in a pretty strong group, and has only lost to (Z)Jaedong, (T)BaBy, and (Z)Hyuk this month (we can overlook his dropping one game in OSL prelims...) while beating (Z)Kwanro, (P)Bisu, (T)Lomo x3 (lolol (T)Lomo -__-), (T)Light, (P)Shuttle the PvP god, and (Z)EffOrt.
... he is pretty good.
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