• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 05:50
CEST 11:50
KST 18:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call4[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week0Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!45Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Weekly Cups (August 17-23): Zerg dominate the week Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru GSTL Returns in 2026!
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX 2026 - Hungarian SC2 Finals Budapest SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall 2026 GSTL Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 540 Dodge This The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: First 'Fastest' Map in ASL History [Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group D [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Toronto invitational lan 22 august Brood War in Budapest ! WORTEX 2026 BW Finals
Strategy
Replay Review Process - What do you do? Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck? Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
The Creator Fan Club MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
Young Players Exit Esports E…
TrAiDoS
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4448 users

Most imba SC2 ability if put in SC1? - Page 7

Forum Index > Polls & Liquibet
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Kare
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway786 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-18 12:13:14
March 18 2010 10:00 GMT
#121
Warp gates are much better then queens...

Imagine a terran dropping a few hellions in the protosses main, the protoss has his army/units away from his base and you have a potential to do alot of damage to his workers. He just targets his warpgates, spams stalker or whatever at the harass area and BOOM, harass stopped....
In life you can obtain all sorts of material wealth, but the real treasure is the epic feelings you get while doing something you love.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-19 18:21:43
March 19 2010 17:26 GMT
#122
On March 18 2010 09:03 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2010 09:08 Piste wrote:
you are talking about "people who have limited understanding." I read what you wrote and I see you belong to the "people who think they knows when they actually don't know".
hatchery = 350, gateway/rax = 150
hatchery is 300
the fact that each hatchery offers 3 larva barely compensates
hatchery offers one larva at a time, but you can save them maximum amount of 3
If Z was forced to build another hatchery for more unit production, it almost always makes more sense to simply expand while you're doing that since it can't hurt you.
this is not true at all. you expand when you know you can defend the bases. it's not even close to "almost".


What a great way to refute my argument by using Ad Hominem attacks

Hatchery is 350 sir, 300 + the cost of the drone. It's actually more than 350 because the loss of the drone's mining time but we'll play safe & nice and just say its 350.

Your point about hatchery offering one larva at a time actually helps my argument more because you just aided my point about hatchery's inferiority unable to compensate for the lack of production buildings.

I'm saying that by building another hatchery for increasing unit production, its ideal to place it where your expo will be because you can create another expo that way at the same time as increasing unit production.


You lose your drone whatever you build. hatchery costs 300, not 350. drone costs 50.

Your point about hatchery offering one larva at a time actually helps my argument more because you just aided my point about hatchery's inferiority unable to compensate for the lack of production buildings.
I know what I said. I corrected you. hatch offers one larva at a time. You're wrong about the "compensate" thing tho.

I'm saying that by building another hatchery for increasing unit production, its ideal to place it where your expo will be because you can create another expo that way at the same time as increasing unit production.

That is what you say now, but this is what you said:
If Z was forced to build another hatchery for more unit production, it almost always makes more sense to simply expand while you're doing that since it can't hurt you.
And it is not true.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
March 19 2010 20:03 GMT
#123
I don't see how anyone could argue hatchery does not cost 350. Yes, you lose a drone for anything you build, and thats why if you build a lot of zerg buildings, its necessary to pick up worker production against to re-saturate the mineral line.

Spawning pool costs 200, but you lose a drone to make it so its actually 250, etc.

You have to consider the cost of the drone you lose when you calculate Zerg building or its not accurate. Its just like ignoring SCV's loss of mining time during construction versus probe simply warping a building and going back to mine.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
March 21 2010 16:30 GMT
#124
I know you lose a drone when building. wtf it still is 300 for the hatchery. drone costs 50 but the hatch is 300.


You start with four drones. how many minerals you have to mine before you can build a hatchery?
+ Show Spoiler [answer] +
300
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 36598
Bisu 1241
Jaedong 955
Hyuk 359
EffOrt 188
BeSt 175
Pusan 114
Dewaltoss 95
ToSsGirL 82
Aegong 74
[ Show more ]
Mind 62
Sharp 41
Rush 40
sSak 38
Stork 37
Shine 32
Bale 27
soO 20
yabsab 20
Sacsri 18
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Free 12
League of Legends
JimRising 439
Counter-Strike
edward70
Other Games
singsing1665
crisheroes223
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick486
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH399
• StrangeGG 19
• LUISG 13
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV353
• lizZardDota2132
League of Legends
• Rush1440
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
10m
hero vs ggaemo
Larva vs Mong
The Patches Monday
6h 25m
Afreeca Starleague
1d
Soulkey vs PianO
JyJ vs sSak
GSL
1d 1h
PiGosaur Cup
1d 14h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Mini vs Calm
Queen vs EffOrt
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
[ Show More ]
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
GSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-08-23
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
BSL 2026 LAN: Kraków
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Calamity Invitational
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.