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France2061 Posts
On February 01 2010 17:04 Shikyo wrote:
Well, you can say Flash is better, it doesn't change the fact that JD might drop a random PL game here and there, maybe lose a Bo3 every now and then, but when it comes to Bo5 Jaedong is still the CLEAR favorite against every single player in the world. Yep, clear favorite even over Flash, in a Bo5. And in my opinion, Bo5 ability truly defines a progamer. Stare at the ELO losses from random PL matches all you want, JD is still not going to lose a Bo5 anytime soon.
This point needed to be made. I'm not even against Flash being #1 in the ranking since he appeared in two finals and won one of them, but putting a Bo5 on the same level as a proleague game -- that's what the "3-2 in the month" argument amounts to -- is fairly ridiculous.
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You're neglecting the workload to make these assumtions.
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Just something that seems to have been overlooked by all you zealous arguers: Jaedong broke an ELO record too.
I'm not saying that the #1 and #2 placements are incorrect, just something else to consider...
And honestly, regardless of play, I felt that the #1 slot belonged to whoever won the WL match. I said that before and I stand by it even though I prefer Jaedong.
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February '10 KeSPA ranks support the choice for #3 in this PR, honestly.
Jaedong - 2939.3
Flash - 2913.8
Calm - 2004.8
That's such a ridiculous jump.. Jaedong and Flash are 45% ahead in raw points relative to any other player. It's not even close anymore.
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Honestly, we would be in a Bonjwa era if it wasn't for the fact that we have two of them. Perhaps a new term for this dual-ownership thing needs to be established?
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Since flash won vs stork there has always been much hype about him. However he's not been nearly as consistant over the years as jaedong.
But facing the situation we have today, jaedong and flash are the closest to bonjwas we've had for a long time.
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A lot of people here say that when JD lost to Flash it was because of JDs own mistake, and when he won it was because he played better. Let just analyze some games. In WL if JD was so much better than Flash, how come when Flash came out he had a much bigger army than JD and obliterated him (without the dark swarm). JD did inflict some economic damage during the game, but it was late (Flash already had 6 barracks, factory, starport). With 3hatch muta you need some early damage. That game boils down to the question whether JD would be able to save his 3 rd gas (4 th exp) if he had researched DS in time, which we will never now. Second, MSL game 1. Flash lost because he had not built a single turret in his main in time. You could argue then that JD won because of Flash's mistake there. MSL game 2. JD could have built those guardians in his base and his turtling would have probably worked. He didn't, and lost. MSL game 3. Flash completely outplayed JD in the mid game (destroying two gas expansions). If the power outage happened then, imagine who would be awarded the win. Then he made a mistake and lost a bunch of MnM that he could've easily just let in place of the JDs third expansion. Still he was so close to killing the seven o'clock where JDs defiler popped just in time to cast a single Dark Swarm and defend with a few ultras. Take a look at that situation again, if you don't trust me. Flash was so close to killing that defiler when it popped out of NC. So if Flash hasn't lost that bunch of MnM so easily (at the 3 o'clock) He might be able to take down the 7 o'clock. MSL game 4. Flash had to play after all that crap after the outage. He made several mistakes in that game (especially when he suicided a bunch of MnM on sunkens) and lost.
My point is, there is no point in arguing about who made a mistake in what game. They obviously make each other make mistakes. What meters in the end is who won. JD went 3-2 against Flash in January with a really weird MSL finals. In the end, a single game difference is not enough to place JD ahead especially after Flash won OSL, broke ELO record and played well in PL. It just doesn't make any sense.
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i agree with flash over jaedong for one reason, he has gold osl and silver msl while dominating.
jaedong was dominating too but only one gold and beat flash pretty impresively.
flash has accomplished more this month, but by no means is a better player than jaedong.
jaedong's ability to prepare for matches along with crazy ability to bounce back from devastating loses i believe makes him a better player. his mental fortitude and ability to endure also.
flash is crazy good. his macro is jaw dropping, his quick decision making is awesome. but he was read like a book by jaedong. he still has a bit to go to accomplishing himself as the best damn player in the world. jaedong i believe still holds this title.
just not this month.
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Reading this thread and seeing Jaedong fans arguing that JD should be #1 this month feels awfuly similar to reading this and seeing Realpenguin arguing that GuemChi is bonjwa.
Only difference is, Realpenguin was joking and his post is hilarous whereas JD fans are serious and their posts are...well, hilarous.
+ Show Spoiler +No offense to JD fans in general, I'm not saying Flash is better player than JD (yet), just that his #1 position this month is obvious.
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I was going to rage about "Power Outage" being number three but I accept the explanation "Jaedong and Flash are so far ahead of everyone else at the moment that it's sickening.". I've been thinking about this a lot. If one of them were to not exist the other one would be real close to being called a bonjwa.
And I most definitely don't agree with one of them being below Stork in the last Power Rank.
EDIT: Now I read the thread and realized that it's pretty much all about what I posted ^^
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Zero just beat Jaedong, he should obviously have been #2 guys!
lets stop with the ridiculous argument between #1 and 2, its been going on for this entire thread +most of the last one. Getting old.
In other news, zero may not deserve #2, but he definitely deserves someplace higher than Firebathero, leta, and Hiya. Zero has had some tough draws (like having to play only eventual finalists in both starleagues, Flash and Movie), but he at least takes games off of people like Flash and JD. Unfortunately in every instance i can remember, he cannot beat Killer, and that is sad.
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jaedongs on his 15 win streak in zvp making a new record zvp and in general elo vp
still holds best zvz peak (and probably will remain that) and vz as general
vs terran flash is miles away
but if u compare that u have
the zvt of flash to jaedong zvp
zvz vs the tvt
and zvt of jaedong vs flash tvp
and he just took the best terran in a best of 5
when flash will take stork in a best of 5 than we can say he is the best player
if u follow this logic (i know it looks like trolling and it started with that intention but since it makes logic and it helps my fav player i'll stick to it )
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What's with these bad facts that have been plaguing some of these power ranks and featured threads lately? 3hatch before pool was shown to be a viable build since a long time ago and Zergs used it a lot, particularly on Katrina. The build was never ever thought to be a non-viable build. These little oopsies never really bothered me much but since that thread where there was that "lol what is this Canata stupid build" these things have been really annoying me. That build has been used since freaking Blue Storm by Hwasin, and Hwasin has used that build time to time ever since.
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JD not #1?? o well at least FBH made it. thats all that matters.
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Hmm.. Interesting rank. I honestly think that in an impromptu best of 5 Jaedong would rape Flash like he did in Gom with his amazing mutalisk micro. I honestly feel that Flash put just as much if not more preparation into that MSL.
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This thread is so funny.
2 more pages of Flash fanboys arguing for Flash #1 spot and they will say that JD won the MSL cause the maps were slighty Z>T favored and he even cut the power off when in game 3 Flash was so ahead.
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another page of jaedong fanboys whining about flash fanboys whining about--
see how it's ironic that you're just as much as a pathetic whiner as the rest of us? Atleast we aren't whining ABOUT whining.
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well. nothing really new there
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