EPTPower Rank 01/31/2010 - Page 9
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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champignones
Panama160 Posts
to end the discussion Nada&boxer > (insert all favorites progamers). | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
Look at it from a non-biased way. If Flash is really rolling people so hard left and right then isn't JD's MSL win that much more impressive? How many people gave JD a shot at winning the series? All the progamers picked Flash and all the commentators picked Flash (lolol kim carrier). How many people here had Flash winning 3-0 or 3-1? Yet JD goes and 3-1's Flash and even had a significant advantage in the game he ended up losing. Flash revolutionary tvz being either 1 rax CC or 7/8 rax bunker rush? Meanwhile JD has not played a really standard opening in the last month. He toyed with pool first builds again where everybody is going 12hat, and had the balls to go 3hat pool twice in a row vs Flash. The same Flash who bunker rushes atleast once in a series. | ||
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hoppipolla
Australia782 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
despite that, I don't think  HiyA should be so high really. Uhhh, FBH has been doing good, but I don't think he should be #8 exactly either. Leta is good, although I could see him a notch lower. Same with kwanro. Agree with flash and JD. Agree with really. I don't think stork should get -7 at all, but with some of the other players having done so well in the current top 10 I can't really blame you for having to put him beneath some of them. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
Flash's wins are so unfair all he does is cheese or turtle, he is a cheese turtle. All of Flash's losses are because he is so bad. If Flash were so good he would have won both leagues but he didn't so he is bad, even if he had won it would have been unfair and not count. | ||
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hyomin godtier
Canada367 Posts
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Fx_
503 Posts
On February 01 2010 01:05 vnlegend wrote: Terrible rankings. A power outage did not beat Flash, Jaedong did. Way to dismiss an MSL champion's accomplishments. How am I supposed to believe that Kwanro is actually better than Stork?? here we go again;) | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
Super disappointed in Bisu, what's happening to him, doesn't matter I'll still support him anyway. Hope he gets back into the rankings soon. | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
On February 01 2010 15:18 Grobyc wrote: LOL power outage. despite that, I don't think HiyA should be so high really. Uhhh, FBH has been doing good, but I don't think he should be #8 exactly either. Leta is good, although I could see him a notch lower. Same with kwanro. Agree with flash and JD. Agree with really. I don't think stork should get -7 at all, but with some of the other players having done so well in the current top 10 I can't really blame you for having to put him beneath some of them.I completely agree with this. And no love for free? I thought he did pretty well this January~ | ||
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On February 01 2010 16:02 ArsenalGunners wrote: Im confused but when you have the #2 rank player beat the #1 ranked player in a bo5 final then its probably a sign to switch the 2 players in the rankings. Flash if my favourite player but JD deserves to be #1 for now. Somehow I doubt that Flash is your favourite player. You obviously haven't watched or followed any of his games during January. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 01 2010 14:54 dogabutila wrote: Put it this way. Taking out power outage and looking at vs top 5. JD = 7-2; Flash = 2-4. And Flash is doing better? Look at it from a non-biased way. If Flash is really rolling people so hard left and right then isn't JD's MSL win that much more impressive? How many people gave JD a shot at winning the series? All the progamers picked Flash and all the commentators picked Flash (lolol kim carrier). How many people here had Flash winning 3-0 or 3-1? Yet JD goes and 3-1's Flash and even had a significant advantage in the game he ended up losing. Flash revolutionary tvz being either 1 rax CC or 7/8 rax bunker rush? Meanwhile JD has not played a really standard opening in the last month. He toyed with pool first builds again where everybody is going 12hat, and had the balls to go 3hat pool twice in a row vs Flash. The same Flash who bunker rushes atleast once in a series. I said JD would 3-0 or 3-1 easily. Well, you can say Flash is better, it doesn't change the fact that JD might drop a random PL game here and there, maybe lose a Bo3 every now and then, but when it comes to Bo5 Jaedong is still the CLEAR favorite against every single player in the world. Yep, clear favorite even over Flash, in a Bo5. And in my opinion, Bo5 ability truly defines a progamer. Stare at the ELO losses from random PL matches all you want, JD is still not going to lose a Bo5 anytime soon. On February 01 2010 17:04 J1.au wrote: Somehow I doubt that Flash is your favourite player. You obviously haven't watched or followed any of his games during January. Oh, you compare them. Did you forget JD vs Kal, for instance? Gues Flash was a better noob-basher this month, but what does that really matter? Nothing. On February 01 2010 14:42 champignones wrote: i cant believe how much blind jd fanboys are, flash did get more impressive month than jaedong, he totally deserve #1 PR or we, he won the OSL , second place on MSL and only lost to really and to jaedong and thats it, counting he played more games than jaedong its a fact. jd fanboys are so inmature that when they saw a player beat another player start thinking: "omg sdsaidf > d9sidf and thats it" things are not absolute, you win a game or a match so what does that make better player than the other at certain moment? no, is your consistency against all the players and performance and of course your carreer as a progamer. and flash trully revolutionize many parts of terran current BO like tvp, and tvz atm, all these flash bashin is envy and senseless hating, and you are so inmature in not recognize it. there are others players than JD u know and these makes me hate the guy to all these hype ( jae this jae that blablabla , he is the best progamer currently but seriously leave the dude alone you are obsessed) even thou i was a JD fan for a certain time and admire his zvz. to end the discussion Nada&boxer > (insert all favorites progamers). R u for rela? First of all, boxer and Nada would get humiliated by Jaedong. Second, last month Flash was 17-7, dropping games to Movie, Calm, Really and Jaedong. People can keep saying that Flash won the OSL all they want. Of course they are right, but it was against Movie, and the series that made Flash win the OSL(vs JD) Flash played in december. Still, he actually managed to drop a game to Movie whereas Jaedong beat a much better Protoss 3-0. In addition to that, Jaedong actually beat Flash in the MSL finals. Yes, you can keep talking about the random PL game JD lost(which he lost only because he got his consume too late, but we can even ignore the fact..), the fact is that Jaedong still annihialated Flash when it mattered. In addition to those 2 games he lost to Flash, he lost to Crazy-Hydra. I guess that's a pretty bad loss, but I guess I'd argue that it still is ZvZ. Even with that, Jaedong was 11-3, having a far superior win percentage last month than Flash, in addition to beating him in a Bo5. Even if you might have valid arguments for having Flash be at #1, it definitely isn't "crazy" or anything to say that Jaedong should have been #1. At all. In fact, I believe every single one of your arguments are terrible. Obsessed with Jaedong? Hell yes! So what? | ||
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TriniMasta
United States1323 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Kind of an elaborate troll but you get my point. You can't declare one type of gameplay the only important kind, especially when it's the kind of gameplay you play the LEAST of. It's more impressive when it happens, but it's so subjective and it's kind of disingenuous towards their aggregate games and the fact that the only reason the OSL didn't affect Jaedong this month is because Jaedong got kicked out of the OSL by Flash. MSL isn't all important, at best it's as important as the OSL and PL, where Flash is better. =\ I know it's easy to write off what I say off as bias, but there's more to the PR than who beat who -- context is very important. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 01 2010 17:12 TwoToneTerran wrote: Well, you can say Jaeding is better, it doesn't change the fact that Flash might drop a Bo5 every now and then, but when it comes to PL and Bo3's Flash is still the CLEAR favorite against every single player in the world. Yep, clear favorite even over Jaedong, in a Bo3/1. And in my opinion, Bo3/1 ability truly defines a progamer (because 95% of your matches will be Bo3/1!). Kind of an elaborate troll but you get my point. You can't declare one type of gameplay the only important kind, especially when it's the kind of gameplay you play the LEAST of. It's more impressive when it happens, but it's so subjective and it's kind of disingenuous towards their aggregate games and the fact that the only reason the OSL didn't affect Jaedong this month is because Jaedong got kicked out of the OSL by Flash. MSL isn't all important, at best it's as important as the OSL and PL, where Flash is better. =\ I know it's easy to write off what I say off as bias, but there's more to the PR than who beat who -- context is very important. Well, the decisive games of the individual leagues are Bo5. Also, it is pretty well-known that having more games in a series reduces the amount of luck and variability and allows the best player to win. If you disagree, you don't know much and are merely twisting facts for your own purposes. I believe Jaedong is a favorite vs every single progamer in a Bo3 as well, just not guaranteed to win like he is in a Bo5. Bo1's I don't really know how much they matter in the end. It's not about who beat who, JD just actually played better. EDIT: Let's say you have a solid, tight-aggressive poker player and a super-aggressive poker player. The tight-aggressive player might win against every single weak table and solidly gain profit whereas the super-aggressive player might at times lose even large amounts of money to weaker players. Even so, the super-aggressive player would yearly make significantly more money. Would you say that the tight-aggressive player is the better player? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
edit: and frankly Flash was playing just fine in that series, and you'd be dumb to think otherwise. Game 2 was amazing and game 3 was great from both until the power outage. Game 1 and 4 were one sided, but that seemed a bit build order impaired, just like Flash's win on HBR in the OSL. | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On February 01 2010 12:54 TwoToneTerran wrote: Right, but my point was, you can lose to people below you on the PR and...still be above them on the PR. Even in Bo5s. When Jaedong lost to Calm, he was also in the same month playing in the OSL and Proleague finals. He won the golden mouse in that month, and there was no way Calm was going to be placed over Jaedong. In fact, Calm wasn't even 2nd - fantasy was (for his PL Finals heroics). That was a much, much harder month to make a decision in. This one seems tame by comparison. As for bo3 vs bo5, it should be beyond obvious which is a better indicator of skill. They don't play bo5 in the semis and finals just so the fans get to see more games, you know. The fact you're even attempting to argue otherwise is telling of your bias. I mean, you're making even the #1 Jaedong anti-fan himself - Plexa - look reasonable here. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On February 01 2010 17:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Right, but the decisive game of the series had a goddamn power outage. Jaedong only won 2 games. edit: and frankly Flash was playing just fine in that series, and you'd be dumb to think otherwise. Game 2 was amazing and game 3 was great from both until the power outage. Game 1 and 4 were one sided, but that seemed a bit build order impaired, just like Flash's win on HBR in the OSL. He was the better player in every game, and would have won G2 too if he had left 2 guardians home. Doesn't matter, since I watched the games. Also, I trust my B rank friend Solum on JD having absolutely no chance of losing G3, he tends to know his stuff. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
See where the distinction here is? PL Finals is of course more important than regular PL, but Flash still won his games. On February 01 2010 17:30 Shikyo wrote: He was the better player in every game, and would have won G2 too if he had left 2 guardians home. Doesn't matter, since I watched the games. Also, I trust my B rank friend Solum on JD having absolutely no chance of losing G3, he tends to know his stuff. rofl, your B ranked friend, okay. And "Jaedong would've won Game 2 if--" means nothing. He didn't win game 2, just like Flash didn't win game 1 or 4. No one won game 3 and your B rank friend is not a high level analyst. And frankly that comment is anecdotal garbage. A lot more people who are a lot smarter have commented on whether or not Flash was still in that game and I'd be quicker to agree with Kwark or Idra (Who disagree) then a faceless, pointless friend of yours. | ||
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