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ramen247
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States1256 Posts
February 20 2009 02:40 GMT
#21
On February 20 2009 10:59 redtooth wrote:
Jaedong takes steroids! (Or is an alien!)
Look at the picture on the front page (the one from fomos linking to this article) between his nose and his right eye. There are two Dots! Either they are two extra eyes (aliens) or they are some sort of progaming steroid. Explains why he's so beast.
+ Show Spoiler +
or they might just be covering up pimples...
nice writeup btw.



yea...

wtf are those things...
i hate this ugly firebat. i want a marine.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32277 Posts
February 20 2009 03:02 GMT
#22
nice F0 : ]
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-20 03:06:41
February 20 2009 03:06 GMT
#23
Maybe I suck at reading charts, but you should have a clear marker for where All-kills happened, like a hall of fame each week for the player that had one. And what's a reverse all-kill? Please someone explain.

EDIT: Great write-up as always <3
Peace~
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
February 20 2009 03:22 GMT
#24
I seriously love Winner's League. It accurately shows which players are the most dominant.
Brood War loyalist
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
February 20 2009 03:31 GMT
#25
On February 20 2009 12:06 fanatacist wrote:
Maybe I suck at reading charts, but you should have a clear marker for where All-kills happened, like a hall of fame each week for the player that had one. And what's a reverse all-kill? Please someone explain.

EDIT: Great write-up as always <3


When the other team is on the verge of all-killing and then they get all-killed

oz 0-3 go.go
jaedong 4-3 ogn
SteelString
Profile Joined July 2006
446 Posts
February 20 2009 03:35 GMT
#26
Wow that reach vs roro game was pimp. thanks for the writeup =)
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
February 20 2009 03:41 GMT
#27
On February 20 2009 12:31 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 12:06 fanatacist wrote:
Maybe I suck at reading charts, but you should have a clear marker for where All-kills happened, like a hall of fame each week for the player that had one. And what's a reverse all-kill? Please someone explain.

EDIT: Great write-up as always <3


When the other team is on the verge of all-killing and then they get all-killed

oz 0-3 go.go
jaedong 4-3 ogn

Ah cool thanks n_n
Peace~
Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
February 20 2009 03:55 GMT
#28
why is GuemChi a player of the week? he was handed a game and did his absolute best to hand it back. hardly spectacular.

was dropping the dts *that* sexy they make him a player of the week by themselves?
~
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
February 20 2009 05:02 GMT
#29
On February 20 2009 11:40 ramen247 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 10:59 redtooth wrote:
Jaedong takes steroids! (Or is an alien!)
Look at the picture on the front page (the one from fomos linking to this article) between his nose and his right eye. There are two Dots! Either they are two extra eyes (aliens) or they are some sort of progaming steroid. Explains why he's so beast.
+ Show Spoiler +
or they might just be covering up pimples...
nice writeup btw.



yea...

wtf are those things...

They're called pimples or so I hear.
Jaedong
Fzero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1503 Posts
February 20 2009 05:02 GMT
#30
To be honest this week wasn't that hot Lachrymose. I chose the best 5 games, but like I said there were only 6 or 7 I even thought about. The two weeks before that I had a list of 15 games or so.

As for why I talked about Flash's winning percentage.. Flash has consistently shown top form against better opponents. I think Jaedong has a LOT to prove still. His flash and brilliance and speed are amazing, but he still needs to take down some big names in big moments. Flash has already done that.

In their biggest moments:

JD:
Light UpMagiC Stork
Luxury Flash Mind Kal

Flash:
Jaedong Anytime Stork
Jaedong Bisu Stork

I think Flash has also had the harder road. His team is much worse than Jaedong's, he's younger and plays a much less exciting style. He's criticized for that and his looks. He's still dominating in every way. Jaedong is a monster, don't get me wrong. He's on the best form right now. But I think he needs to win against Bisu Flash and say.. sAviOr to be for sure the best.
Never give up on something that you can't go a day without thinking about.
Dgtl
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada889 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-20 05:53:33
February 20 2009 05:53 GMT
#31
On February 20 2009 12:22 meegrean wrote:
I seriously love Winner's League. It accurately shows which players are the most dominant.

While it does show the most dominant it destroys them as well. Flash is an amazing example of this. All of KTF sucks. They would get 4-0 by every team in WL if not for Flash. But because of this they have to play Flash every WL match they play, ending up in flash playing about 10 games a week, sometimes even more, resulting in Flash dropping out from both leagues. Both of his opponents where extremely happy that they won. You could tell that they knew that they got lucky..... Flash was tired from all the WL and couldn't practice for these games. Flash was almost crying after his OSL/MSL eliminations. He looked finished. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes into a huge slump, but then again I would be less surprised if he rebounded and destroyed in the WL.

Edit:spelling
^______________^
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
February 20 2009 07:34 GMT
#32
On February 20 2009 10:40 thedeadhaji wrote:
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHHHHHHHHHHHH

< TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #46 > I came for the Brood War, I stayed for the people.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
February 20 2009 08:21 GMT
#33
Flash 14-2.. what?? wha..... WHAT!?
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
February 20 2009 08:48 GMT
#34
Thx for nice report~~
Flash, i love you.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
snapcrackle
Profile Joined December 2008
United States568 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-20 09:03:35
February 20 2009 08:58 GMT
#35
to all those who say they are overworking flash i say no.

yes he has been out a lot on the winner's league. Does that mean he is overworked? yes and no. yes in a sense that he is playing a lot. No as that you make a misconception that he dropped due to this. He dropped because of cheeses/being out played. If you look at his games he was still playing very well (against upmagic it was sad to see but he played very well indeed). So he played 10 games for the winner's league. that doesn't mean he spent his time practicing for those 10 wins. he was good to get those wins. If you look at KTF he is the ace. Meaning he is the last person called and always is the last person to be put in place. Sure the team hasn't been winning and he has had to carry the team to win, but 10 games is nothing in a week. I'm sure many of you had played 10 games in a day. And for practicing... i'm very sure he has tried to keep up with both leagues and i'm sure the coaches have been helping him with both leagues. It is unfortunate he dropped... not that he is overworked. He is the ace card.. if anything they don't want to put him in but he has been placed in. Him winning is due to his skill, not him being overworked and thus being some Winners League practicing machine.

but then again i'm sure a lot of you are trying to find an excuse for why it sucks that he is out.
To be honest i'm not a flash fan... if anything i wanted him dropped out of the MSL since JD was no longer there. Then he got dropped form the OSL and i was happy. But then to see him lose to Leta made me sad in a very weird way. Though I am an anti-fan... the MSL now seems sooo boring seeing him out. Plus i hate leta more. But to get back to the point... him losing was stupid Leta and his cheese build... not KTF overworking him. Its a generalization with no proof whatsoever (10 games does not = being overworked he might no have even practiced 1 game for WL and may have pulled off 10 wins due to his skill.)
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1699 Posts
February 20 2009 09:00 GMT
#36
Yeah, I'm always sad when Flash loses. I just wish he'd keep himself in individual leagues- he simply deserves to be there. JaeDong and Flash are just ridiculously good.
The whole six dragons thing... I think it's pretty much redundant now. I mean, sure they're good and players like Bisu, Jangbi, Stork (yes, Stork, he still rocks) are still absolutely top players, but I think this Protoss dominance has passed. Despite being a Protoss user, I can't say I'm particularly sad.
EleGant[AoV]
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
February 20 2009 09:02 GMT
#37
Flash and Jaedong are friggin insane, they make their opponents look like D level chobos.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
February 20 2009 09:10 GMT
#38
I have a question, and I searched for this a bit so sorry if it was obvious. Will there be winners league playoffs, or does this just count as ro3 of the proleague season where six teams are making it to the playoffs. Thanks in advance for the info.

Flash and Jaedong are crazy good, I hope T1 (especially Bisu even tho hes been ok) can step it up, and this Winners League format rocks.
pr0t0ss
Profile Joined January 2008
Russian Federation57 Posts
February 20 2009 09:37 GMT
#39
Fzero,
this table is a bit wrong in numbers
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Fzero/PL/w4Maps.png

Total in appearances dont agree with summ of others.
For example, protoss results on medusa are obviously wrong calculated.
Jaedong ftw
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
February 20 2009 09:53 GMT
#40
Reach's storms... Wow, just wow! Reminded me of the old times. So good to see the enemies of the man toss melt under his perfect storms.
azk he is the north american player but the titan he is the french stars
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