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[MSL] Club Protoss

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November 11th, 2008 16:25 GMT
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Club Protoss
Round of 8 Week Two Recap
Semifinals Preview


Whenever there's a chance for an all same race semifinals, usually at least one player of another race gets hot and ruins the mirror party. When I looked at this MSL's Z and T roster, I believed that one of Jaedong, FBH, Hwasin, or ForGG would catch fire and advance to the semis. Unfortunately, the bracket was heavily loaded on one side, and the two Protoss players with the most raw potential (Bisu and Free) were suddenly playing lights-out every game. If these two are "on" for any particular match, nobody was beating them. Jaedong or FBH would have easily advanced further in the other half of the draw, but instead were bounced out early.

On the surface, these semifinals are horrible. Not only are there no Terrans or Zergs, there's also no Stork, no Best, and no Pusan. There isn't even BackHo to add the laugh-at-him entertainment value. In addition, one semifinal (Bisu-Free) contains by far the two best players in the MSL. PvP isn't bad relative to the other matchups, but by the eleventh game of rock-paper-scissors build order wins or no rush 15 minute max out snorefests, you will want to rip your hair out.

If you're upset about this, fear not, for your trusty Club Day Online MSL news poster has come up with a drinking game tailored to PvP to get you through these two series. But before we get to that and the previews of the semis, let's recap the two quarterfinal series that happened in week two.



Dance Dance Revolutionist
(P)Bisu 3-0 (T)firebathero

After receiving weeks of hype, an excited buzz around his reinvented TvP, and a brand new TL fan club, FireBatHero flamed out in disastrous fashion the instant he had to play a competent P in a Bo5. Now the FBH fanboys are fleeing his bandwagon as if it was the Titanic. I must admit, while I predicted Bisu to win, I thought FBH would put up more of a fight. So much hype, yet crushed in the Round of 8. I can't say I'm surprised though, as FBH has never matched his flair and theatrics with actual results. In case you can't tell, I typed this last paragraph with a huge smug banana grin.

Game One @ Medusa
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Bisu opened with a safe gate-robo-gate while FBH 1-fac expanded, making seven marines with his tank before moving to take his natural. Bisu moved in, and the marines imitated their master: they danced around, failed to kill anything, and eventually died to Protoss units.

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Bisu engaged and killed five marines and a tank while only losing his zealot. The early robotics paid off, as the shuttle and reaver arrived at FBH's base before any turrets were even started.

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The reaver scored 13 SCVs and 4 marines, but Bisu didn't settle for just that, moving in with six dragoons and his reaver to pick off tanks.

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Bisu eventually forced FBH's natural CC to lift, killed a factory, and after picking up a second reaver back home, razed four critical supply depots:

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The game had become incredibly lopsided at this point, with Bisu running off three bases and eight gateways while FBH had one base, one factory, and a floating CC.

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A minute later, Bisu mercifully ended it with a dragoon-reaver attack.

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This game was a rude wake-up call for those expecting an epic five set match.


Game Two @ Destination
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It was almost as if Bisu had an Annoying Protoss To-do List this game, opening gas steal and manner pylon into proxy gate:

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To FBH's credit, he devised an ingenious way to trap Bisu's zealots with supply depots:

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After killing the proxy, FBH took his natural. Bisu expanded twice in responses while dragoon harassing the bunker at FBH's bridges. Given the opening I was expecting a DT drop followed by Carriers, but Bisu did not complete the circle of abuse, instead playing safe with a robo and reavers.

At a weird timing, FBH moved out toward Bisu's third base with three tanks supported by a few marines, scvs, and vultures. This mini push was quickly crushed by dragoons and a reaver:

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After a long period of macro, FBH slow pushed toward Bisu's third. For some inexplicable reason, Bisu opted to let the nexus die before breaking the push. At this point both players had impressively large armies:

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But Bisu had teched to Arbiters, and promptly recalled into FBH's main:

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Bisu's recall didn't do a lot of damage, but it did force FBH's army to move out of position, allowing an opening for Bisu to shut down FBH's recently established third base:

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FBH cleaned up the recall and moved back out to defend his third. When FBH saw a second arbiter fly into his main to recall again, he just GG'd out:

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I suppose you could call this game an improvement, as FBH managed to push out of his natural and even kill a nexus, but Bisu was never really in danger all game.


Game Three @ Athena 2
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In games one and two, FBH opened 1-fac expand and got rolled both times. It was almost a sure thing that FBH would open 2-fac this time. However, Bisu is no Tempest. Bisu went 1-gate expand and added two more gates quickly after. Since obs is delayed, this build relies heavily on the P's dragoon micro.

Bisu got a bit lucky when he spotted speed upgraded vultures with a probe, and with the use of a pylon wall, he cleanly deflected FBH's first attack:

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Bisu's follow up reaver harass did no damage, but he was already quite ahead after taking no damage from the 2-fac. As a result, Bisu had three gas carriers out before FBH could secure a third base. Bisu methodically targeted tanks with his carriers while dragoons mopped up the goliaths, never allowing FBH to mass a large ball of units:

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And just like that, the series was over.


When FBH typed out, he basically sprinted out of the booth. I doubt he will shed any tears of agony. If we could see FBH's face, it would probably just have a glassy-eyed expression of shock, as if he'd be hit by a truck. Bisu, on the other hand, stifled a yawn. When he is playing well, Bisu 3-0's people. That's just what happens. It doesn't matter who is standing in his way.



Mr. Dragoon
(P)free 3-0 (T)NaDa

Free's strength is that his basic unit micro is just a level above everyone else. If Bisu's unit is the DT, Free's unit is the dragoon. His dragoons are special. They move smoothly, live longer, and somehow never glitch. Everyone remembers that pimpest plays video of Free minesweeping with dragoons only on Longinus II. His unit control is so good that two of the three games this series never make it past midgame. In the Bisu-FBH series, you kind of felt that Bisu was playing well while FBH had an off day, and if they met again the series might have been closer. But watching the Free-Nada series was different. Nada didn't stand a chance. He wasn't even remotely close in any of the three games.

Game One @ Medusa
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Nada opened two fac and Free went 1-gate robo reaver.

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Free deflected the attack by using a zealot to mine drag and kill several marines. Dragoons and a reaver do the clean up.

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In his counterattack, Free sniped a tank in the back of Nada's base with a reaver and simultaneously picked off a second tank at the front with dragoons.

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Then Free does something I just won't understand. He moves against three spread-sieged tanks and two goliaths with six dragoons, miraculously losing only two while killing two tanks and a goliath.

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A double reaver drop officially ended it.

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If I were a Terran playing Free, I wouldn't gamble on him screwing up his early game dragoon micro. Siege expand is the way to go, not 2-fac. Nada learned this the hard way and as a result was down 0-1.


Game Two @ Destination
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Free's probe gets a kill:

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Free opened with a single proxy gate at Nada's bridges.

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Then Free put on a zealot harass clinic, taking out eleven SCVs and six marines with three zealots rallied from a single gateway.

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After taking heavy losses, Nada secured his ramp with four marines, a vulture, and a tank. Free then worked his dragoon magic, somehow killing most of the units up the ramp and forcing his way in with four dragoons.

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TWo tank kills and some dragoon dancing ensued, and Nada typed out.

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Wow. That game was just brutal. Free's micro is just jaw droppingly good. He takes tier one units and wins fights that nobody else can win. Free makes zealot and dragoon harass seem unfair.


Game Three @ Athena 2
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In a stark contrast to the first two games, both players went for conservative, macro-oriented builds. Nada went early armory research with only one factory, which meant he planned to take three bases and push out at close to maxed. Free responded by adding gateways and taking bases.

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The first real fight came at the ten minute mark: a horrifying mistake by Nada to siege in a clump with no mines or vulture support, resulting in both armies trading. Any Protoss will take this trade every day of the week, because it meant a great reduction in the T's tank count. Ideally, a Terran wants to trade as many reinforcing vultures as possible for the protoss army. Tanks are valuable because they are not only expensive but take a long time to build and take even longer to get in position. Losing ten tanks so early meant Nada was very, very behind.

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The next few minutes had Nada frantically trying to set up a third base. Free would deny him again and again, with the margin of victory of each fight slowly growing. Eventually, Free pushed Nada all the way back up his main ramp.

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After losing that initial tank clump, Nada was too far behind to recover.


This was a match between an ordinary player with extraordinary accomplishments and an extraordinary player with ordinary accomplishments. It played out exactly as it should. The younger, sharper, rising player won out over the old veteran clinging to past glory. However, the series showed more than that. Free played flawlessly. I don't use that word lightly. Besides running into a few mines late game, I cannot see how he could have played this series any better. Free didn't gamble with 14 nexus or 1-gate blind expand or proxy DT. He just executed safe, reliable strategies with surgical precision, pushing every edge and leaving no holes.

It's a huge compliment to say someone's play looks clean, and these three games by Free were scary clean. We're talking pine smelling, cancer-curing, wipe out all bacteria clean.



PvP Drinking Game

What you need:
  • Ten beers, your choice of brand
  • Bottle of hard liquor, your choice of brand
  • Bottle of generic champagne
  • Bottle of non-alcoholic stuff, can be water or soda, etc.
  • Ten shot glasses
  • Electrical tape
  • A bucket

Fill one shot glass with each of the drinks listed above. You should use four of the shot glasses this way.

Next, cover the outside of the remaining six shot glasses with electrical tape. Fill two with liquor, two with beer, one with champagne, and one with your non-alcoholic drink. Try to move them around so you don't remember which is which. The tape will prevent you from knowing. These six are your "mystery" shots.

Take a shot of beer:
  • For each probe lost in zealot harass during the first two minutes
  • For every successful reaver or storm drop
  • If one commentator yells a unit name, and the other commentator's contribution is solely some version of "YAAAAAAA"

Take a shot of hard alcohol:
  • For each proxied building
  • For each dark templar made
  • If the commentators make that HAKKKKKKKKKKKK sound

Take a shot of champagne:
  • After each game completes
  • For every shot of a hot girl in the crowd
  • If you see the Titty Sambo commercial

Take a "mystery" shot:
  • At the start of each game
  • If a player attempts an all-in strategy
  • Every time a reaver fires a scarab
  • Every large battle past the ten minute mark

This should get you sufficiently drunk even if its only three games. The bucket (affectionately named "Hwasin Bucket") is insurance just in case you are very unlucky with the mystery shots.



Semifinals Preview

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You guys are in for a treat. I didn't do this earlier for the other rounds, but since this is the semifinals, I'll put in the extra effort:

Detailed Semifinals Map Balance Analysis
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(P)Kal vs (P)JangBi
Set 1 - Medusa: BALANCED
Set 2 - Destination: BALANCED
Set 3 - Athena 2: BALANCED
Set 4 - Byzantium 2: BALANCED
Set 5 - Medusa: BALANCED

(P)Bisu vs (P)free
Set 1 - Athena 2: BALANCED
Set 2 - Medusa: BALANCED
Set 3 - Destination: BALANCED
Set 4 - Byzantium 2: BALANCED
Set 5 - Athena 2: BALANCED

Amazing analysis, I know. Thanks.



(P)Kal vs (P)JangBi
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Player / Matchup / Last 10 / Last 3 Months / Head-to-Head
(P)Kal / PvP / 4-6 / 5-6 / 3-2
(P)JangBi / PvP / 6-4 / 4-1 / 2-3

This semifinal sucks, mainly because of what could have been. Virtually any of the other players (ForGG, Stork, Iris, Type-b, Yarnc, etc) would make a cooler semi, with more interesting storylines and certainly more diverse matchups. Instead we have a boring non-Stork Samsung Protoss when we'd rather have a Zerg, and his spectacularly mediocre opponent is only in the semis only because Stork had to practice for the OSL Finals.

Kal beat Stork 3-2, but Jangbi's recent PvP results have been strong as well. But factor in the practice partners (Stork for Jangbi, Yoonjoong/BestGod for Kal) and that Jangbi is streaking (13-2 overall in the last three months) and it seems Jangbi has the edge. But Kal won the head to head Bo5 3-2 between these two back in GomTV4. Kal is also strangely successful against Stork (6-3). It's going to be close, but I predict a well practiced, mechanically stronger Jangbi to prevail, 3-2.



(P)Bisu vs (P)free
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(P)Stats]Player / Matchup / Last 10 / Last 3 Months / Head-to-Head
(P)Bisu / PvP / 8-2 / 7-2 / 1-3
(P)free / PvP / 4-6 / 2-1 / 3-1

This semi really should be the finals. Both these players have so much momentum that it's a shame that one of them has to lose. This series will almost certainly be played at a dramatically higher level than the other semifinal. I can't think of reasons to choose one player over the other, except the fact that Bisu's been to the semis far more times than Free has. This experience advantage should be worth at least one game in series with evenly matched opponents, so I'm predicting Bisu 3-2.



Next week, the Club Day Online MSL concludes. We know it will be a Protoss champion, but will it be a first time winner in Kal Jangbi and Free, or will Bonjwa Bisu make an appearance? See you next week.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
November 11 2008 17:22 GMT
#2
When I die of alcohol poisoning my estate is going to point to this newspost as the direct and proximate cause of my death.
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IrrasO
Profile Joined October 2008
United States408 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-11 17:26:46
November 11 2008 17:26 GMT
#3
nice write-up, but how could you not mention the humiliation scouts?
TarsTarkas
Profile Joined April 2007
United States169 Posts
November 11 2008 17:35 GMT
#4
I <3 Hot_Bid

Excellent read, especially enjoyed the 'Hwasin Bucket'
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astalkulo
Profile Joined October 2007
United States444 Posts
November 11 2008 17:37 GMT
#5
Bisu and Free on one side of the brackets one has to lose it just sucks, it's time for a bonja protoss so bisu needs to win in the other hand Free winning the whole thing would be great for him and his team. Woongjin star MSL champion!!! I hate to see one of these player lose but I'll leave it to destiny and the best player to win!!!
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
November 11 2008 17:49 GMT
#6
Fantastic write up! I laughed, I cried, I laughed some more!

I'm looking forward to projective vomiting to some great PvP!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
kawoq
Profile Joined November 2005
Guatemala357 Posts
November 11 2008 17:52 GMT
#7
Nice reading... I love your "Detailed Semifinals Map Balance Analysis", Iwonder where you guys find all the time you need to make this amazing articles.. I really do... show me how cause to be hones I need some extra hours per day... ^_^

I think Free is going to win this...
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
November 11 2008 17:54 GMT
#8
Fantastic post!

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btw, nice map analysis
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
November 11 2008 17:55 GMT
#9
Hot_Bid is too strong
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
November 11 2008 17:59 GMT
#10
good writeup. i agree, it's really a shame free and bisu have to meet in the semis. it's going to make the finals anti-climactic, but ah well. really look forward to the free bisu games
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
November 11 2008 18:11 GMT
#11
How did you decide if the maps were balanced or not? Amazing!
^-^
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
November 11 2008 18:16 GMT
#12
I think free has the upper hand in the semis just because Bisu played a lot of PvP this season, which is plenty of scouting info about his game. I bet free is studying the specifics of bisus PvP and searching for the best counters having in mind the maps. On the other hand Bisu must just focus on his 1 base gate-robo builds and walkover free. I think Bisu has the best reaver micro in the scene right now by a huge margin
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United States5770 Posts
November 11 2008 18:22 GMT
#13
Lol drinking game! Awesome
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capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
November 11 2008 18:49 GMT
#14
no mention of bisu's epic scouts?
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
November 11 2008 18:52 GMT
#15
bwahahaha, fantastic idea for a drinking game.
I might just get all these ingredients, call a remotely starcraft-interested friend over and have a blast!

Lots of love for this one!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
November 11 2008 18:58 GMT
#16
Your map analysis was mind-blowing.
Super serious.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
November 11 2008 19:00 GMT
#17
On November 12 2008 03:11 Equinox_kr wrote:
How did you decide if the maps were balanced or not? Amazing!

This lol, it must have taken hours of detailed game analysis.
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BaltA
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Norway849 Posts
November 11 2008 19:02 GMT
#18
If someone follow that recepie, they will not only get drunk. But they'll get so wasted, that they will not be able to watch 3rd game P
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
November 11 2008 19:03 GMT
#19
Screw 3 games.
I'd get drunk in the first 2 minutes.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 11 2008 19:04 GMT
#20
I'm just hoping for some quick games. Hopefully a ton of cheeses and all players showing off their micro. It's REALLY going to suck if things boil down to whose scarabs are less retarded.

Rooting for Jangbi and Free. Jangbi because I think he has a chance to join in as a top protoss player(much more so than Kal), and Free because he and the Stars are a really good cinderella team.
Meh
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
November 11 2008 19:16 GMT
#21
lol nice drinking game
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
November 11 2008 19:27 GMT
#22
make it a bisu 3-0 and a jangbi 3-0 so i don't have to watch 10 pvp games
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
November 11 2008 19:32 GMT
#23
imagine 3-2, 3-2 in semis and 3-2 in finals. 15 pvps w/o Stork and BeSt.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 11 2008 19:46 GMT
#24
On November 12 2008 04:32 Magic84 wrote:
imagine 3-2, 3-2 in semis and 3-2 in finals. 15 pvps w/o Stork and BeSt.


at least we have bisu free in some of them.
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[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
November 11 2008 19:48 GMT
#25
nice writeup
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
November 11 2008 19:49 GMT
#26
I really hope Free wins this thing. It's about time he got a title.
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
November 11 2008 19:52 GMT
#27
A friend of mine who lurks here pointed out to me that Medusa is actually positionally imbalanced in drop-type games, especially PvP. For example, the 3:00 position will have an advantage over the 7:00 position, because the ridge around the base at 7 is facing the base at 3, so that the person at 3 can easily fly his shuttle into 7's main, and have a greater chance of remaining undetected. The person at 7 would have to fly extra distance in order to come in from the ridge, and maintain surprise. Does that make any sense? Anyway, I think that Medusa is positionally imbalanced in PvP in favor of whoever spawns counterclockwise of the other person.
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OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-11 20:03:47
November 11 2008 20:00 GMT
#28
Can someone post a link of Free's pimpest play?

Nvm, holy fuck Free's micro is godlike
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Kizlyk
Profile Joined December 2007
Ukraine84 Posts
November 11 2008 20:12 GMT
#29
Hotbid's reviews are the best ^^
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
November 11 2008 20:15 GMT
#30
II raelly LIkee tha PVvP Drinnkingg GammeE itt ISS FUN Goo O STorkk!
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
November 11 2008 20:28 GMT
#31
Bisu moved in, and the marines imitated their master: they danced around, failed to kill anything, and eventually died to Protoss units.


priceless
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Capuano
Profile Joined April 2008
United States28 Posts
November 11 2008 20:47 GMT
#32
Awesome writeup. I laughed pretty hard at the drinking game.
imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
November 11 2008 20:55 GMT
#33
Free vs Bisu..

T_T

words cannot express the sadness i feel right now. well it comes pretty close to anytime losing to nada in osl. and that was the saddest day of sc progaming for me.
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
November 11 2008 21:06 GMT
#34
"Hwasin Bucket" haha that is genius, I'm never gonna let that die. Now I'm actually looking forward to the 2 semis. Great writeup as ususal thx hb.
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
November 11 2008 21:14 GMT
#35
Cool writeup.. I laughed frantically when I read your detailed map analysis.. astonishingly complete and well rounded.
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No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
November 11 2008 21:22 GMT
#36
the PVP drinking game its the best we can do... ?? NO!! , turn off the tv, call a girl, drink with her and read the results later...

most boring tournament ever!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
November 11 2008 21:34 GMT
#37
On November 12 2008 03:16 disciple wrote:
I think free has the upper hand in the semis just because Bisu played a lot of PvP this season, which is plenty of scouting info about his game. I bet free is studying the specifics of bisus PvP and searching for the best counters having in mind the maps. On the other hand Bisu must just focus on his 1 base gate-robo builds and walkover free. I think Bisu has the best reaver micro in the scene right now by a huge margin


Bisu better learn from Best and change up what builds he uses, even if they're sub-par and have been "assigned" a statistically lower chance of winning on certain maps.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
November 11 2008 21:36 GMT
#38
Good read.

Only a minor correction. Quote:
"When I looked at this MSL's P-heavy Ro16 roster"

It was not P-heavy. 16/3=5,33. There were 6 protoss players, only 0,66 above the average. There were 7 terrans on the contrary.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-11 21:40:48
November 11 2008 21:39 GMT
#39
On November 12 2008 06:36 Cheerio wrote:
Good read.

Only a minor correction. Quote:
"When I looked at this MSL's P-heavy Ro16 roster"

It was not P-heavy. 16/3=5,33. There were 6 protoss players, only 0,66 above the average. There were 7 terrans on the contrary.

Fixed.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
November 11 2008 22:05 GMT
#40
Ok, that was it. After all this lurking, I had to register to tell you that this article, along with all your recent write-ups are so full of awesomeness, I cant even describe. Thanks.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States579 Posts
November 11 2008 22:08 GMT
#41
Oh man, the "Hwasin Bucket" was a stroke of genius.
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Canada3301 Posts
November 11 2008 22:11 GMT
#42
free aint very good pvp, hes going to lose 0-3, or at best, 1-3. Sorry lol.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
November 11 2008 22:14 GMT
#43
Bisu will destroy free, he'll be practicing with BeSt and likely Stork/Much.
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Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
November 11 2008 22:21 GMT
#44
Very nice article! I enjoyed it alot!

Cept you left out "SANDWHITTCHEEE"
Which is definitely going to be a classic haha.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
November 11 2008 22:37 GMT
#45
Jesus christ that drinking game is hilarious. I'm kind of bummed at this MSL's conclusion. It seems to me that whoever wins out of Bisu and free is going to sweep the finals quite easily.
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h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
November 11 2008 22:49 GMT
#46
The mistery shot for each fired scarab is what will make you drunk, the rest is easy .
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
November 11 2008 23:01 GMT
#47
Great write up. I laughed several times. That drinking game will end with a face in the Hwasin bucket guaranteed.
Bisu is going to win his semi and the final.
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
November 11 2008 23:01 GMT
#48
PvP drinking games...what better way to introduce unaffiliated students to Pro SC. Or alternatively get drunk by myself in my room and try and pick a fight with the Daum stream...
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number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
November 11 2008 23:01 GMT
#49
Great writeup, great drinking game. Jangbi/Bisu finals plz!
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
November 11 2008 23:02 GMT
#50
looooooool @ drinking game
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Profile Blog Joined May 2008
731 Posts
November 11 2008 23:08 GMT
#51
lol hwasin bucket

interesting drinking game
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is awesome32274 Posts
November 11 2008 23:12 GMT
#52
titty sambo

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Profile Blog Joined December 2007
China685 Posts
November 11 2008 23:32 GMT
#53
Balanced maps? WOW.

Bisu is gonna win this. I can feel it.
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Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
November 12 2008 00:12 GMT
#54
Nice write up.. hopefully your predictions come true, really hoping Bisu knocks out free :D
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
November 12 2008 00:35 GMT
#55
The winner of Bisu vs Free will probably become the MSL champion. I hope it's Bisu
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prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
November 12 2008 01:01 GMT
#56
Fuck. Mass PvP is GAY!
Am cheering for Bisu though.

Nice writeup.
Oh no
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
November 12 2008 01:42 GMT
#57
Bisu/Free should be a very interesting game to watch.
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-12 01:46:30
November 12 2008 01:42 GMT
#58
ok ok ok

wat do u mean by the HAKKKKKKKK sound??

I mean i'm korean and I understand every word they say but i dont' particularly remember hearing that sound

maybe it's cus im korean? and it's part of the cultural language so i just miss it cus it's natural?

EDIT:
On November 12 2008 07:21 Tensai176 wrote:
Very nice article! I enjoyed it alot!

Cept you left out "SANDWHITTCHEEE"
Which is definitely going to be a classic haha.


maybe u can make a cut out little hors d'oeuvres of sandwiches and eat a piece whenever they yell that
ggyo...
ish0wstopper
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)342 Posts
November 12 2008 01:55 GMT
#59
god FUCKING damnit

i cant believe fbh came with the worst unit control of all time
losing to just 3 goons and a zeal with a tank and 7 marines?
understandable

not even damaging past shield?
unacceptable

i cant believe fbh tried to fd the 3rd game after failing so badly the first time and still managed to mess up the micro again

i expected so much more
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
November 12 2008 01:57 GMT
#60
i agree, but it wasn't an FD third game, FBH went 2 fac

FD wouldn't have put his expo as behind as he was, but it wouldn't have had as many speed vultures either
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Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-12 02:02:58
November 12 2008 02:00 GMT
#61
It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.

there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 12 2008 03:56 GMT
#62
On November 12 2008 11:00 .risingdragoon wrote:
It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.

there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.


depends how good the goon micro is. Remember that you're doing 35 focused dps with the marines, which helps a lot.
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Profile Joined August 2007
Chile70 Posts
November 12 2008 05:11 GMT
#63
date of the semifinals ?
Mantoss !!!!!!!!!!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
November 12 2008 05:19 GMT
#64
On November 12 2008 14:11 saitox wrote:
date of the semifinals ?

calendar on the right
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Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
November 12 2008 05:45 GMT
#65
Awesome write up!

I may actually try the drinking game, although if there is 5 games it could be troublesome.

It sucks so much that Free or Bisu will have to lose =/ Free vs Bisu should be the final! =O
._.
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
November 12 2008 07:16 GMT
#66
On November 12 2008 12:56 waterGHOSTCLAWdragon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 11:00 .risingdragoon wrote:
It's funny calling it fd when he had no vultures for mines and 7 rines.

there was no point in getting that many meatshield ines when ur only damage dealer is 1 tank, they get shredded by goon micro like beef.


depends how good the goon micro is. Remember that you're doing 35 focused dps with the marines, which helps a lot.

What? Every P under the sun can dragoon micro against marines. That's every single person who's ever seriously played protoss since 98. It's that easy when your unit outranges his unit.

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Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
November 12 2008 07:24 GMT
#67
Protoss Club!! :D
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Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
November 12 2008 07:33 GMT
#68
PvP is fun, but I really really really wanted to see a TvP semifinals as well as a TvP finals.

Oh well I've gotten over that fact now and am hoping for some good matches.
I hope that Free will take the title.
He so deserves it.
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
November 12 2008 08:13 GMT
#69
Nice article, and good game analysis. bisu vs free is going to be a big clash, frees pvp is such a big interrogation mark, but hes so on fire i agree that this is the real finals. Maybe we should ask whos practicing with Much. About those crazy korean sounds that commentators do what does something like curusho means? They say this word about 20 times/game and its always like one of the commentators explains something and the other 2 always answer curusho, like saying "of course" or "i see" please some korean explain it. thanks in advance.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
November 12 2008 08:17 GMT
#70
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...
Pungyeon
Profile Joined June 2008
Denmark37 Posts
November 12 2008 08:48 GMT
#71
TITY SAMBOOO!!!!

*passes out*
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Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Philippines1130 Posts
November 12 2008 08:57 GMT
#72
bisus gona follow the path savior took. 3 msls THEN an osl. then massive slump.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
November 12 2008 09:32 GMT
#73
On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...

you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this
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Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 12 2008 09:42 GMT
#74
On November 12 2008 18:32 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...

you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this


I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer".
Meh
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-12 10:25:31
November 12 2008 10:24 GMT
#75
On November 12 2008 18:42 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 18:32 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...

you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this


I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer".

Wikipedia disagrees!

"Power Hour, with its variant Centurion (or Century Club), is a type of drinking game where every player drinks one shot of beer every minute. Each shot contains 1.5 fluid ounces (US) (45ml), for a total of 90 fl. oz. (2.66 litres, 4.68 Imperial pints) of consumption during the power hour. For purposes of blood alcohol content, this amount of beer is equivalent to 7.5 drinks. In the Centurion variant, beer shots are drunk one per minute for 100 minutes, with a shot size of 35ml, totaling 3.5 litres, 6.16 Imperial pints, or 9.9 drinks. All players that successfully complete the total number of shots without retiring are winners. The game is simple and may appear easy, but players often have difficulty completing it. The rate of alcohol consumption necessary to win either form of this game can depend on weight and other factors. It is the speed of the consumption of alcohol that makes the drunken feeling feel so strong!"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
November 12 2008 10:40 GMT
#76
On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...

yes u are
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
November 12 2008 10:42 GMT
#77
i love j00 hotbid<3
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Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 12 2008 10:58 GMT
#78
On November 12 2008 19:24 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2008 18:42 baubo wrote:
On November 12 2008 18:32 Hot_Bid wrote:
On November 12 2008 17:17 Velr wrote:
Am i the only one that thinks watching PvP is more exciting than PvT?

nice wrietup.

btw: beer is not a shot...

you can still take shots of beer though, plenty of drinking games in the US have this


I always got the impression that beer cannot be measured in any unit smaller than a mug or a bottle. I would say the friends I know who drink can all easily go through this drinking game no problem if you changed "a shot of beer" to "a bottle of beer".

Wikipedia disagrees!

Show nested quote +
"Power Hour, with its variant Centurion (or Century Club), is a type of drinking game where every player drinks one shot of beer every minute. Each shot contains 1.5 fluid ounces (US) (45ml), for a total of 90 fl. oz. (2.66 litres, 4.68 Imperial pints) of consumption during the power hour. For purposes of blood alcohol content, this amount of beer is equivalent to 7.5 drinks. In the Centurion variant, beer shots are drunk one per minute for 100 minutes, with a shot size of 35ml, totaling 3.5 litres, 6.16 Imperial pints, or 9.9 drinks. All players that successfully complete the total number of shots without retiring are winners. The game is simple and may appear easy, but players often have difficulty completing it. The rate of alcohol consumption necessary to win either form of this game can depend on weight and other factors. It is the speed of the consumption of alcohol that makes the drunken feeling feel so strong!"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Hour


Well I'll be damned. I need to ask my alcoholic friends about this. I don't drink personally, so I can't really comment on just how difficult it is to accomplish.
Meh
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 12 2008 11:14 GMT
#79
lol at PvP drinking game, hahahha.
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
November 12 2008 11:31 GMT
#80
rofl man its a good time for the protoss =D

WHOS UP FOR THE DRINKING GAME
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
November 12 2008 12:05 GMT
#81
You don't drink beer in Shots... I mean, you need more beer to not dehydrate while watching these PvP's between the shots :p.




Hm... Our favorite drinking games look like this:

The efficient/simple one:
Everyone gets a card, highest one has to drink a Shot (White Vodka or stronger)... Repeat until your out of alcohol.


The Tactical one (this one is evil and plays to your lowest instincts :p):
You got one giant mug (~5 dl at least, 1l+ is better) of beer going round and a Shot in the middle (make it ugly stuff).
You can drink as much beer as you want and then pass the Mug on.
Whenever the beer is empty the person sitting before you in row has to drink the shot. The beer gets refilled.
Ends when the first one spits or there is no more beer :p.



The fun one:
(notice, we are not native english speaking, none of us is and we only got 2 years of english at school):

You have a beer in front of you (3 dl).

Step 1:
Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my first drink this evening."
Then:
Tap your Mug with 1 finger on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom.
Grab your Mug with 2 fingers.
Take 1 gulp.
Put the Beer back on the table.

Step 2:
Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my second drink this evening."
Tap your Mug with 2 finges on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom.
Grab your Mug with 3 fingers.
Take 2 gulps.
Put the Beer back on the table twice.

Step 23
Say: "Hello, my name is Captain Jack and this is my third and last drink this evening."
Tap your Mug with 3 finges on top/side and the table on Top/Bottom.
Grab your Mug with 4 fingers.
Take 3 gulps.
Put the Beer back on the table, three times.
Beer has to be empty.
Made any mistake during all 3 Steps? Beer gets filled up instantly and you have to start over.


If you are speaking english as your mother tongue you could try it in german (Hallo, mein Name ist Kapitän Hans und das ist mein erstes Getränk heute Abend /...zweites Getränk heute Abend / ...drittes und letztes Getränk heute abend).


It's really pure awesome fun :p. Even if you do it perfectly you drink a 3dl Beer in about 1 minute... And we had people playing this for 20 minutes because they just couldn't do it.


Hm.. going to make a tread about that.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
November 12 2008 16:08 GMT
#82
Entertaining read, thanks
I think you're underestimating Kal, and to my knowledge players tend to practice with guys from other teams as well.
(e.g. Stork in the interview after taking the OSL thanked lots of players from other teams for practicing with him, incl. Kal btw)
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
November 12 2008 16:59 GMT
#83
On November 13 2008 01:08 amorpheus wrote:
Entertaining read, thanks
I think you're underestimating Kal, and to my knowledge players tend to practice with guys from other teams as well.
(e.g. Stork in the interview after taking the OSL thanked lots of players from other teams for practicing with him, incl. Kal btw)

yeah i admit i don't know much about cross team friendships and stuff (except that every non SKT protoss practiced with Stork in prep for his match with Best)
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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
November 12 2008 17:37 GMT
#84
btw i like the name "club protoss" sounds so professional
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
November 13 2008 01:17 GMT
#85
On November 13 2008 02:37 SassO wrote:
btw i like the name "club protoss" sounds so professional

Yes, but for the purposes of this msl, kind of depressing.
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ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
November 13 2008 06:54 GMT
#86
<3 HotBid! thanks!
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Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden162 Posts
November 13 2008 16:34 GMT
#87
Jangbi will DESTROY!
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ShoGunBo
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania55 Posts
November 14 2008 14:15 GMT
#88
Protoss era!! It was about time!! protoss its the most "poor" race when comes 2 titles! let's be frank who is the best protoss of all time? garimto with 2 osl in 2000&2001 or so?? or bisu with 2 msl?? or its "the silver one" (stork) with only 1 osl and a bunch of 2nd??........they don't even come close 2 boxer, savior or nada.. even flash or jaedong are greather legends than the best protoss ever...maybe if bisu won a 3rd and 4th msl...maybe then...so GOGO Bisu 4 the 3rd!!!
...and I present u....Alex THE LION!!! :)
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
November 14 2008 21:50 GMT
#89
this bracket is soooo sexy! <3
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