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July 1st, 2013 23:39 GMT
2013 WCS KOREA
WCS Korea Season II

Ro16 - Day One Preview
OSL goes best of three

Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

VODs on Twitch

Ro16 - Day 1 Preview

by CosmicSpiral and Pigscanfly

Games Begin in...

The Ro32 is over, and now we move onto what some would call the 'proper' OnGameNet Starleague. The OSL started over a decade ago as a sixteen-man tournament, and even as it has tried a variety of minor tweaks such as an expansion to 36 players, the real meat of the touranment has always been the Ro16 and above. That's when the sick intro videos are unveiled, the casters start putting some weight behind their belows, and the fans start showing up in earnest.

Even fans who don't care about the OSL tradition can be happy for a different reason: the format has switched from best-of-one into best-of-three, round robin groups. Here are your contenders:

Group A
–(Z)Soulkey0 - 0
–(Z)Symbol0 - 0
–(Z)soO0 - 0
–(P)PartinG0 - 0
Group B
–(T)Bomber0 - 0
–(T)Bbyong0 - 0
–(T)Flash0 - 0
–(T)INnoVation0 - 0
Group C
–(P)First0 - 0
–(T)FanTaSy0 - 0
–(P)Rain0 - 0
–(Z)hyvaa0 - 0
Group D
–(T)Maru0 - 0
–(P)Trap0 - 0
–(T)SuperNova0 - 0
–(Z)KangHo0 - 0


And now, our day one preview!

Group A: (Z)Woongjin_Soulkey vs. (Z)Azubu.Symbol
- by CosmicSpiral

The transition from WoL to HotS injected a much needed dose of liveliness into the Zerg vs. Anything strategic landscape, which had degraded into a ‘sit back and come hither into my broodlords’ mindset. Now that the broodlord/infestor deathball will lose to other deathballs, Zerg players have been forced to be more dynamic and actively seek out weaknesses in their opponent’s positioning and defenses…except in ZvZ.

Initially HotS zerg looked like an ugly child’s painting of Brood War ZvZ except it had twice as many mutalisks and foreigners were beating Koreans left and right. Luckily Blizzard kept an open ear to this problem and addressed it with a change to spore crawler damage. Now with the new spore crawlers we’re back to the endlessly creative world of roach/hydra/infestor (featuring swarm host transitions!), which means you could be tempted to turn off your computer and go to sleep because we all know what’s going to happen.

And yet, the caliber of competition here says these matches are worth your time. Unsurprising the current forerunner for best Zerg boasts one of the best records in the mirror matchup: (Z)Soulkey has a 80% winrate and has only dropped three games in all of HotS. He has not proven to be an especially stylistic player (although he hasn’t abandoned the mutalisk midgame like many of his brethren) as much as a fundamentally good decision maker. Soulkey excels in this matchup because he knows and executes the textbook response to any situation: tech switch to punish overcommitment to a particular composition, small ambushes to punish bad army positioning, hard droning when he cannot be attacked. He offers few openings and gives you few chances to fight a battle on your terms.

Yet despite all my praise towards Soulkey, (Z)Symbol stands a great chance at causing an upset. Not much has changed for our honorary Kong member in terms of overall strategy. 90% of his games will reach lair tech and he’ll mostly play passive while focusing on upgrades and building a big ol’ ball of death to steamroll his opponent. However, the spore crawler patch has discouraged the fast 2 base mutalisk build that is his greatest weakness. The increasingly common swarm host transition out of roach/hydra/infestor is even better as it emphasizes positioning and patience, qualities that Symbol pushed to an insufferable limit in his WoL ZvT and ZvP. Additionally, late game ZvZ is where Nydus Worms can really shine, and Symbol is known to be a master of the underground network. If Soulkey plays for the long haul he goes into the part of the game where Symbol is most comfortable and at that point, it might as well be a coin flip.

Prediction: Soulkey 2 - 1 Symbol



Group B: (T)ST_Bomber vs. (T)CJ_Bbyong
- by Pigscanfly

While another seemingly more beautiful, more eye catching, more high-level TvT takes place in group B's other other game (Flash vs. INnoVation), the more fascinating and intricate contest will actually take place in this game. The eternal question that has burned in our hearts since the start of WoL continues to captivate us and will once again turn on a knife’s edge: When will Bomber decide to disappoint us?

"Bomber's Law: Bomber will always disappoint.

Corollary to Bomber's Law: If Bomber does not disappoint, it will be in order to set up a bigger disappointment later."


Yes, I really am going to quote this every time I get assigned a preview about (T)ST_Bomber . This is because Bomber is Bomber, doomed to be hyped up to win many a major tournament but fated to never win it. Also, Bomber has broken my heart too many times, yet like a moth to the flame I keep getting drawn to him, only to have my heart broken yet again. Despite my grumblings, Bomber performed exactly as expected in the Ro32 – beating Hurricane and Keen but losing to Rain. One part of me thinks that the Corollary to Bomber’s Law is still in force and he will sweep through Bbyong with a dominating performance, only to get completely and utterly crushed by Flash and INnoVation. However, this still small voice in my mind insists that he’s going to disappoint now – when he is probably the favourite against Bbyong, who made it out of a relatively weak group and hasn’t looked particularly impressive overall in HotS.

This is not to say that (T)CJ Bbyong is a pushover. Bbyong has handled the transition to HotS fairly well, beating the likes of Leenock, Maru and JangBi while losing to Rain, INnoVation and Soulkey. That begs the question – is Bbyong just another average KeSPA Terran or does he have what it takes to play with the big boys? If it is to be the latter, he has to defeat another just-above-average Terran in Bomber to have a hope of beating either Flash or INnoVation in his next game. Then again, if he loses, he will still have to play against one of them anyway. Which is kind of why (in my humble opinion and with no disrespect meant to either of these players) this match doesn’t really matter. Both the winner and the loser will eventually get crushed by Elephantine might of two of the top 5 players in the world, rendering this match moot.

Having gotten that little ode to greatness out of the way, I do think Bomber is the favorite in the match. However, as mentioned earlier, Bomber will disappoint. Thus, in continuing with the Elephantine and over hyping the best players in the world themes, Bbyong will take this game, consigning the lone ESF player to last in his group, only to be viciously trampled to death himself by the Alpha Male Elephants, Flash and INnoVation

Prediction: Bbyong 2 - 1 Bomber, with Bomber taking game 1 in dominating fashion, coming within seconds of winning in game 2, only to throw it all away in some ludicrous fashion.


Group C: (P)LG-IM_First vs. (T)SKT_FanTaSy
- by Pigscanfly

2013 has been a breakout year for (P)LG-IM First . When you look at First’s international tournament record, even from back in his WoL days, you wonder why only LG-IM teammates and StarCraft hipsters rate him highly. He finished in 3rd/4th place in last year’s MLG Summer Arena, 2nd in last year’s MLG Summer Championship, 1st place in the first major tournament of 2013 in IEM Katowice, and finished in 2nd place behind his team mate Yoda in the LG-IEM World Championship. Four podium finishes in six foreign tournaments is a pretty darn good record.

Yet, First has always choked in Korea, failing to make it into Code S in his last 7 attempts. This is particularly surprising as he was able to beat then Code S participants like Taeja, Losira, Violet and HerO when he met them at foreign tournaments. With this in mind, it is perhaps unsurprising that First managed to emerge in pole position from a Ro32 group containing Zerg powerhouses RorO and Leenock. First has a monstrous HotS record of 20 - 7, with a 74.07% winrate.

First's opponent on the night will be (T)SKT_Fantasy. The Crown Prince has not done as well in HotS as many people predicted he might, with the addition of Speed Boost and Widow Mines not benefiting his multi-tasking style as much as it should. Still, Fantasy qualified from a tough group containing both JangBi and Life, and has a decent 12 - 9 record in proleague. Although Fantasy scored an important win over his old rival JangBi in the previous round, it’s always hard to tell much about the state of his TvP from a single game in which Fantasy had an early lead from killing 14 probes with drops and hellion runbys.

Fantasy watch, or signs of Fantasy being Fantasy:
  1. Fantasy living up to his nickname of the Terrorist with impeccable Widow Mine usage against Flash in proleague. Maybe this will be the start of something beautiful.
  2. Fantasy floating 1200 minerals and 800 gas against Life in his Ro32 match.
  3. No particular Fantasy GG timing incidents to report on, though Keen did his best impression of Fantasy in his Ro32 loss to Bomber.
This match will be a close one. Both players are rapidly improving and have made it to the Ro16 for the first time in their SC2 careers. First has been extremely dominant in HotS and has had the results to back it up, while Fantasy has been posting good if not mind-blowing results in Proleague.

Despite this, something makes me think Fantasy will win. He definitely has the pedigree from his BW days and has been slowly improving, despite his propensity to have his sick micro countered by sickly macro, floating an obscene amount of minerals and gas. Fantasy also has fantastic practice partners in Parting, Rain and Bisu and I think that might just give him the edge in what should be a really close series.

Prediction: Fantasy 2 - 1 First


Group D: (T)Azubu.SuperNova vs. (Z)LG-IM_KangHo
- by CosmicSpiral

One of the most interesting match-ups of the night features two of WoL's early success stories who have undergone unique renaissances in Heart of the Swarm. Overall Wings of Liberty was a disappointment in terms of what these two players were supposed to accomplish after they showed great promise early on. When they debuted in GSL March 2011, they looked like the two players who would be the top representatives of their race. Unfortunately their stars burned out after GSL August and with some notable exceptions (Campus Party Europe, Arena of Legends), (T)SuperNova and (Z)KangHo never become constant threats in individual tournaments. While they haven’t overcome the deficiencies that stopped them before, HotS has given them the opportunities to focus on their strengths and both players have found great success in doing so.

Ever since the last WCS Korea, Kangho has been a thorn in the Korean hierarchy (and in my Liquibets, oy). Few people talk about him as a top Korean player and even less regard him as a championship contender. But it’s impossible to deny that he has accomplished than most of his peers: top 6 in WCS Korea and top 16 at the WCS Season Finals are nothing to scoff at. In particular KangHo has performed well in ZvT, beating the likes of Bomber, Gumiho and Ryung in WCS. He definitely doesn’t have the cleanest or the most efficient playstyle, but he might have the scrappiest one. If KangHo can win this series then he would be a definite sleeper to make top 8 and possibly top 4.

Meanwhile our second AZUBU player tonight is currently playing the best games of his career. Supernova, San and Symbol have been the biggest performers on our cheerfully shady addition to the GSTL, functioning as a veritable Cerberus that can win in both team and individual leagues. Supernova in particular has shaken off any lingering doubts about whether he could be a Code S / Starleague class player again. After losing his first HotS game to Byun in the GSTL he went on an 11 game winning streak and never looked back; so far he has only lost one series online to SortOf in the RSL. Supernova’s games show his eagerness to push all the new advantages of terran to their limit, whether it is dropping in 4 places at once or punishing fast spire with strong midgame timings pushes. In particular he has pioneered midgame marauder/hellbat pressure in TvZ while taking advantage of the low overall gas investment to stay even with the Zerg on upgrades. Whether KangHo can hold these pushes without taking crucial damage will probably be the turning point of the series.

Prediction: SuperNoVa 2 - 1 KangHo



More WCS Korea / Starleague Coverage

July 22 – First and Rain advance to Ro8 after triple tiebreakers.
July 17 – SuperNoVa secures his Ro8 spot while First faces the possibility of tie-breakers.
July 12 – Soulkey, Bomber, Maru cinch Ro8 spots; PartinG and Flash eliminated.
July 10 – First continues his surprise run, defeating Rain to go up 2 - 0 in Group B.
July 3 – First's immaculate PvT shines on first day of Ro16 matches
June 28 – SKT duo of PartinG and Rain advance from the final day of the Ro32
June 28 – Groups for Starleague Ro16 announced, Innovation and Flash in group B.


Writers: CosmicSpiral and pigscanfly
Graphics: wo1fwood.
Editor: Waxangel.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 01 2013 23:43 GMT
#2
groups wat
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33416 Posts
July 01 2013 23:46 GMT
#3
On July 02 2013 08:43 opterown wrote:
groups wat


I fell asleep while entry
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 23:47:07
July 01 2013 23:46 GMT
#4
Um, these groups look wrong. Check liquipedia.

EDIT - NINJA'd
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
MtlGuitarist97
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1539 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 23:47:00
July 01 2013 23:46 GMT
#5
On July 02 2013 08:43 opterown wrote:
groups wat

Yeah I thought there was an all Terran group O_O
Edit: Ninja'd by Wax.
Tarheels
Profile Joined April 2013
United States55 Posts
July 01 2013 23:48 GMT
#6
Super excited about Soulkey vs Symbol!
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 23:49:15
July 01 2013 23:48 GMT
#7
its the RO32 group B!

EDIT- ninja'd indeed!
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 01 2013 23:51 GMT
#8
I only agree on Soulkey vs Symbol.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Soda-88
Profile Joined April 2012
Croatia476 Posts
July 01 2013 23:53 GMT
#9
They're playing 1 match from each group every day. Interesting format to say the least
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 23:57:43
July 01 2013 23:57 GMT
#10
On July 02 2013 08:53 Soda-88 wrote:
They're playing 1 match from each group every day. Interesting format to say the least


Yeah, now this is actually where they have an advantage over gsl.

Round robin and more time to prepare between matches is more likely to ensure the best advance from each group.

Also more fun for the viewer. If there's a particular group you don't care about it won't hog up a night.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
randomsaint
Profile Joined December 2011
42 Posts
July 02 2013 00:00 GMT
#11
No Fantasy gg timings? I can't remember exactly who it was against but in one of his latest proleague TvTs on Korhal (pretty sure) he lost every scv to some reapers early on and tried to fight come back with a hellion, mules, and two or three marines
AngrySalmon
Profile Joined June 2013
United Kingdom19 Posts
July 02 2013 00:05 GMT
#12
at least its bo3 and no more bo1 nonsense, the previous round was a complete waste of time
Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
July 02 2013 00:06 GMT
#13
When did foreigners beat koreans at ZvZ during hots? o_O
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 00:12:01
July 02 2013 00:10 GMT
#14
On July 02 2013 09:06 Ricemagical wrote:
When did foreigners beat koreans at ZvZ during hots? o_O


TLO beat Life, Hyun, and Violet

Snute beat Nestea and Hyun

though all of these were after the spore buff.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
July 02 2013 00:15 GMT
#15
On July 02 2013 09:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 09:06 Ricemagical wrote:
When did foreigners beat koreans at ZvZ during hots? o_O


TLO beat Life, Hyun, and Violet

Snute beat Nestea and Hyun

though all of these were after the spore buff.

Yeah I don't remember foreigners ever beating koreans "left and right" in muta vs muta
ThunderKatz
Profile Joined February 2012
United States6 Posts
July 02 2013 00:16 GMT
#16
huzzah RO16!!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the last sentence of the preview of group B--before the predictions--shouldn't it be Flash and Innovation?

"...Bbyong will take this game, consigning the lone ESF player to last in his group, only to be viciously trampled to death himself by the Alpha Male Elephants, Flash and Fantasy."
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3830 Posts
July 02 2013 00:18 GMT
#17
Previews have been a little underwhelming lately. The analyses for Bomber, Bbyong and First included no mention of individual playstyle, just race generalizations plus results and statistics that anyone could have pulled out from Liquipedia and TLPD.
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
jcairne
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States127 Posts
July 02 2013 00:19 GMT
#18
I like the format of doing 1 match per group a day. But i think it could even more exciting with the dual-tournament style format.
Mackus
Profile Joined January 2011
England1681 Posts
July 02 2013 00:21 GMT
#19
On July 02 2013 09:15 Ricemagical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 09:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 02 2013 09:06 Ricemagical wrote:
When did foreigners beat koreans at ZvZ during hots? o_O


TLO beat Life, Hyun, and Violet

Snute beat Nestea and Hyun

though all of these were after the spore buff.

Yeah I don't remember foreigners ever beating koreans "left and right" in muta vs muta


Snute beating Nestea may have been before the Spore buff - could be wrong but it's the only example I can give not exactly "left and right" nevertheless.

Not the best of articles, First was a PvT beast in WoL and he's in great form atm and Fantasy is far from a finished product so putting Fantasy to win is questionable
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 02 2013 00:25 GMT
#20
On July 02 2013 09:21 Mackus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 09:15 Ricemagical wrote:
On July 02 2013 09:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 02 2013 09:06 Ricemagical wrote:
When did foreigners beat koreans at ZvZ during hots? o_O


TLO beat Life, Hyun, and Violet

Snute beat Nestea and Hyun

though all of these were after the spore buff.

Yeah I don't remember foreigners ever beating koreans "left and right" in muta vs muta


Snute beating Nestea may have been before the Spore buff - could be wrong but it's the only example I can give not exactly "left and right" nevertheless.

Not the best of articles, First was a PvT beast in WoL and he's in great form atm and Fantasy is far from a finished product so putting Fantasy to win is questionable


It was after as I seem to recall myself raging that Nestea continued to play muta while Snute more intelligently went ling/infestor WITH the new spores.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
July 02 2013 00:31 GMT
#21
On July 02 2013 09:25 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 09:21 Mackus wrote:
On July 02 2013 09:15 Ricemagical wrote:
On July 02 2013 09:10 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On July 02 2013 09:06 Ricemagical wrote:
When did foreigners beat koreans at ZvZ during hots? o_O


TLO beat Life, Hyun, and Violet

Snute beat Nestea and Hyun

though all of these were after the spore buff.

Yeah I don't remember foreigners ever beating koreans "left and right" in muta vs muta


Snute beating Nestea may have been before the Spore buff - could be wrong but it's the only example I can give not exactly "left and right" nevertheless.

Not the best of articles, First was a PvT beast in WoL and he's in great form atm and Fantasy is far from a finished product so putting Fantasy to win is questionable


It was after as I seem to recall myself raging that Nestea continued to play muta while Snute more intelligently went ling/infestor WITH the new spores.

You're correct, they played their match a week after the spore buff
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
July 02 2013 01:07 GMT
#22
Most interesting match here is the First v Fantasy (not that I am in love with all things Protoss!!~~)...First will take it with the beautiful elegance he has crafted as his mainstay...
Sendaii
Profile Joined July 2011
United States16 Posts
July 02 2013 02:07 GMT
#23
I don't understand the format :/

Anyone care to explain...and pretend I'm like a 2 year old please
-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
July 02 2013 02:10 GMT
#24
Jung Myung Hoon!
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 02:17:46
July 02 2013 02:15 GMT
#25
First is going to wreck Fantasy, count on it.

On July 02 2013 11:07 Sendaii wrote:
I don't understand the format :/

Anyone care to explain...and pretend I'm like a 2 year old please


There are 4 groups, 4 players in each group. Every player in a group will face every other player in that group in a bo3. The two players with the best records determined by series wins(before tiebreakers) will advance to the ro8.

Unlike typical GSL style groups, we're not doing one group per day but instead matches from multiple groups per day until all the games have been played. It's done this way to allow the players to prepare for each individual bo3.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 02:18:16
July 02 2013 02:17 GMT
#26
On July 02 2013 11:15 Dodgin wrote:
First is going to wreck Fantasy, count on it.

Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 11:07 Sendaii wrote:
I don't understand the format :/

Anyone care to explain...and pretend I'm like a 2 year old please


There are 4 groups, 4 players in each group. Every player in a group will face every other player in that group in a bo3. The two players with the best records determined by series wins(before tiebreakers) will advance to the ro8.

I think he means how it's being broadcasted, the 1 match per group being played every day.
Moderatorlickypiddy
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 02:28:08
July 02 2013 02:26 GMT
#27
Question 1) If in case of 3 way tie, is it decided by the aggregate amount of games won/lost? Similar to a goal differential in Football/soccer?

-for example, Players 2,3,4 get a series score of 1-2 (whilst Player 1 gets 3-0). Although their series score is the same, Player 3 may have lost 1 or 2 less games than Players 2 and 4. Is Player 3 immediately gets 2nd place in their group?

-this situation is unique to me because in BW OSL round robin was Bo1

Question 2) Following on, if there is a 3 way tie. Is it still a Bo3 during tiebreakers, or Bo1 like in BW?


Edit: typo
sup
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 02 2013 02:30 GMT
#28
On July 02 2013 11:26 Zariel wrote:
Question 1) If in case of 3 way tie, is it decided by the aggregate amount of games won/lost? Similar to a goal differential in Football/soccer?

-for example, Players 2,3,4 get a series score of 1-2 (whilst Player 1 gets 3-0). Although their series score is the same, Player 3 may have lost 1 or 2 less games than Players 2 and 4. Is Player 3 immediately gets 2nd place in their group?

-this situation is unique to me because in BW OSL round robin was Bo1

Question 2) Following on, if there is a 3 way tie. Is it still a Bo3 during tiebreakers, or Bo1 like in BW?


Edit: typo


Map score isn't used as a tiebreaker. Not sure if it's Bo3 or Bo1 in tiebreakers, though.
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patchpotato
Profile Joined June 2013
22 Posts
July 02 2013 02:34 GMT
#29
On July 02 2013 09:00 randomsaint wrote:
No Fantasy gg timings? I can't remember exactly who it was against but in one of his latest proleague TvTs on Korhal (pretty sure) he lost every scv to some reapers early on and tried to fight come back with a hellion, mules, and two or three marines

Light vs. Fantasy, about a week ago. 6:21 last SCV dies, 10:45 gg.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 02:50:26
July 02 2013 02:48 GMT
#30
Alright, the Bomber's Law joke is starting to get seriously ruined. The point of it is, as you explicitly wrote, is that Bomber will throw stuff after being super hyped and considered the favorite for something. Nobody is hyping him to win the tournament. Nobody thinks he is even the favorite to advance from this group. Every player will win some games and lose some games. To get eliminated in the Ro16 is not a case of Bomber's Law at all, unless he kills it against Bbyong and continues to be awesome, only to throw away everything and not advance by a tiebreaker or something, and even that is pushing it. Simply losing to the players who are by far the favorites of the group is a terrible application of Bomber's Law.

It's also just lazy writing I think.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-02 03:18:35
July 02 2013 03:00 GMT
#31
Yeah, I can't consider Bomber's Law upheld less he gets out over Bogus/Flash and then dies to Hyvaa or something xD.

Or he goes where no Bomber has gone before and makes the ro4+... then Bombs out.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 02 2013 03:07 GMT
#32
I could take one Bomber preview, change a few words and use it for every Bomber preview for the rest of time.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 02 2013 04:22 GMT
#33
On July 02 2013 12:07 Dodgin wrote:
I could take one Bomber preview, change a few words and use it for every Bomber preview for the rest of time.


Pretty sure that's what they've been doing since he won Code A. I don't remember anything different ever being said about him.
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mhael
Profile Joined January 2012
United States102 Posts
July 02 2013 04:30 GMT
#34
I laughed out loud at Bombers Law..... so so so true.

I still remember his demise in WoL code S when he was insistent upon killing a spine crawler with 10 hellions.... which he didn't do... and didn't kill drones... and was kicked out of code S.
vesicular
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1310 Posts
July 02 2013 04:46 GMT
#35
Kinda liked it better when it was Bo1 Round Robin with tie breakers but oh well.
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BoxingKangaroo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Japan955 Posts
July 02 2013 04:57 GMT
#36
Format is interesting. If there's a player you like, you have to watch multiple nights, whereas with GSL it was just one night. Not great if you're busy.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
July 02 2013 05:13 GMT
#37
On July 02 2013 13:57 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Format is interesting. If there's a player you like, you have to watch multiple nights, whereas with GSL it was just one night. Not great if you're busy.


I think the 480p vods are still going to be free on twitch. So there's that at least.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 02 2013 06:04 GMT
#38
I like the anti-prediction on Bomber! I hope it pays off!
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Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
July 02 2013 06:32 GMT
#39
Group B is truly the group of B: Bomber, Bbyoung, Bonjwa, and Bogus.
ReMiiX
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States338 Posts
July 02 2013 07:12 GMT
#40
Is this at GOM studios.
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HeroWeDeserve
Profile Joined June 2013
69 Posts
July 02 2013 07:37 GMT
#41
On July 02 2013 13:57 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Format is interesting. If there's a player you like, you have to watch multiple nights, whereas with GSL it was just one night. Not great if you're busy.

On the other hand we won't have any nights where we're watching 15 TvTs in a row.
SAFenix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada439 Posts
July 02 2013 07:40 GMT
#42
On July 02 2013 16:12 ReMiiX wrote:
Is this at GOM studios.

I believe it's at Yongsan, one of the two studios they hold Proleague
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viermalvier
Profile Joined December 2009
Austria115 Posts
July 02 2013 07:56 GMT
#43
On July 02 2013 16:37 HeroWeDeserve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2013 13:57 BoxingKangaroo wrote:
Format is interesting. If there's a player you like, you have to watch multiple nights, whereas with GSL it was just one night. Not great if you're busy.

On the other hand we won't have any nights where we're watching 15 TvTs in a row.

And you will see the guys in their best shape (or close to) possible since everyone has at least one week preperation time for each bo3
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
July 02 2013 08:29 GMT
#44
There's also little chance of someone just having an off day and getting knocked out as a result.
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Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
July 02 2013 08:36 GMT
#45
I still remember Bomber vs DRG at MLG
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Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
July 02 2013 08:37 GMT
#46
I like the system of playing over multiple days
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Mikelius
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany517 Posts
July 02 2013 08:47 GMT
#47
What an interesting format. I dig it, even after the damned Ro32 that makes any other format seem awesome.
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evaniss
Profile Joined May 2013
53 Posts
July 02 2013 09:20 GMT
#48
OGN stream looks pretty cool. English commentators sitting together with three korean casters
i like this look, it looks more equally and OGN seems to consider and took feedback about english casting
i like to see BW units in SC2
ItanoCircus
Profile Joined January 2013
United States67 Posts
July 02 2013 11:38 GMT
#49
This is one of the funnier reads I've come across in TL that aren't banworthy. Mentions of "best impression"s of Fantasy GG timings, Bbyong v Bomber review, and of course KangHo. His every victory makes me smile.

The only thing missing from this is if somehow Bubbles went straight from Anaheim into the Ro16. Then I would have enormous fun laughing, hating, teeth-gnashing, and fist-pumping... aw man. I'm excited about StarCraft!

Love this game so much.
Better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth closed than to open it and remove all doubt.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
July 02 2013 11:53 GMT
#50
Knew First would crush, you really underestimated his current form Pigscanfly.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
July 02 2013 12:39 GMT
#51
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Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
July 02 2013 15:23 GMT
#52
is there a stream link?
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QCD
Profile Joined September 2012
Suriname81 Posts
July 02 2013 16:37 GMT
#53
SuperNova fighting, he's sooooo good.
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
July 02 2013 18:07 GMT
#54
Mirrormatchmadness...

+

I dont like the format. The groups don´t interfere, so why dragging the final group internal result out this much?
If you play one group after another you generate suspense on who is passing the stage and who is not, all on one day.
so its like constant...who won when look up........bleh
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
July 02 2013 18:27 GMT
#55
Why the fuck is everyone against Bomber . I know he has disappointed a lot but come on guys
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
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