EPTAs it is WCS EU handed out 70k (70%) to EU players, with another guaranteed 15k coming the way of EU players. TLO made what, 5 times more out of this than he did at any other point in his career? Dimaga got more than he ever did out of a single event, and lets not forget the generous amount of money all the lower placements got. WCS EU is working exactly like it should be.
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
As it is WCS EU handed out 70k (70%) to EU players, with another guaranteed 15k coming the way of EU players. TLO made what, 5 times more out of this than he did at any other point in his career? Dimaga got more than he ever did out of a single event, and lets not forget the generous amount of money all the lower placements got. WCS EU is working exactly like it should be. | ||
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
With the current system it'd be ridiculous to prevent koreans from participating in WCS EU/WCS AM. That'd mean we'd get a very boring tournement with way too few koreans and thus a very low skill level. There is no fun in seeing koreans bash foreigners. On top of that, if you want to make the world championship the most prestigious tournement, you need to make sure it has the best players. I don't think there are more than 10 foreigners in the top 50 to be honest. One other way that I could see work is that you'd, for example, give KR like 60% of the spots, and EU/NA 20% each. That's how they do it with soccer, where Europe gets to send out way more countries during the Worlid championship aswell. Either way around, just not allowing koreans to participate in WCS EU and WCS NA would make the final world championship as boring as it was last year, with just a bunch of koreans roflstomping foreigners. | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On May 27 2013 23:19 Jerom wrote: I seriously don't get why people are angry about koreans participating in WCS Europe and WCS America. I myself probably wouldn't have watched the games if there weren't any koreans, because it'd probably have meant that the skill level would have been pretty low in most of those games. With the current system it'd be ridiculous to prevent koreans from participating in WCS EU/WCS AM. That'd mean we'd get a very boring tournement with way too few koreans and thus a very low skill level. There is no fun in seeing koreans bash foreigners. On top of that, if you want to make the world championship the most prestigious tournement, you need to make sure it has the best players. I don't think there are more than 10 foreigners in the top 50 to be honest. One other way that I could see work is that you'd, for example, give KR like 60% of the spots, and EU/NA 20% each. That's how they do it with soccer, where Europe gets to send out way more countries during the Worlid championship aswell. Either way around, just not allowing koreans to participate in WCS EU and WCS NA would make the final world championship as boring as it was last year, with just a bunch of koreans roflstomping foreigners. WCS europe last year was a huge success, and was without Korean. | ||
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
Second, wcs is the wrong event for region locking. That's because it's not just about the Europeans or the Americans. Each wcs leads up to the global finals and rregion locking Will hurt the scene by a) restricting Korean competition (less gsls less prizes) and b) will result in an unbalanced global finals since Koreans will just kill everyone. Make some other tournament. But blizz only has so much money for prizes. | ||
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CioSc2
Spain5 Posts
What I see more troublesome is WCS US, there they should do something. I understand Americans are pissed, but its maybe because they dont have enough top players there? Cause thats the only reason I see for a Ro16 group being just koreans, and those playoffs, where even a top european like Snute is. Though Im rooting for mOOnGLaDe. Anyway It was a good tournament also and I hope Scarlett wins one of the next editions. | ||
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xAdra
Singapore1858 Posts
I for one don't give two shits about "growing the foreign starcraft scene", since I enjoy watching the very best play only, and more than 90% of the time this comes from Koreans. However you can't deny that some EU players showed us pretty damn good games. Look at how TLO and Lucifron can play. Happy's bio play was inspirational. Grubby, despite failing this tournament, has offered a heckton of awesome games, some even against koreans, like his memorable finals in IEM Singapore, vs Sting. Point being, I do not agree foreigners definitely=low skill levels, since there are a gifted handful who are at the very least code B, and would make it through the code A qualifiers on a good day. This especially applies for EU players. I have not seen one NA player who impressed me though, besides Scarlett. Suppy, allegedly the new American hope, had that game against Heart (I'm sure you know which one I'm talking about) and I can't take it seriously to have him as the best. By the way, please don't call mvp "a code B player". He can easily spar with the top boys of Code S, he just slumped during the latest stages of WoL after losing a championship to Life. | ||
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YuiHirasawa
Japan220 Posts
Also funny how everyone hyped Thorzain, Naniwa, Sase, Babyknight and thought Stephano was already dead. In the end he is still, and will ever be, the best foreigner. | ||
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sCnInfinity
Germany82 Posts
On May 27 2013 08:01 Azelja wrote: Woooohooooo, Mvp! So, oh sooooo incredibly happy for him <3 If only he wins it all now... Hey, one can dream, right? :D I hope so too ;D Mvp looked pretty strong and 4-1 against Stephano is pretty impressive considering that he is the foreigner that the koreans always respected the most. Sure, there are players like Innovation who just looks unstoppable atm but if Mvp keeps up his Training who knows? ;D. And Innovation even has his weaknesses in TvT | ||
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THM
Bulgaria1131 Posts
On May 27 2013 10:07 althaz wrote: If there was no Koreans in WCS EU and WCS US, they'd be pretty worthless tournaments from a gameplay quality standpoint. Not to mention that whilst winning against Europeans is nice, winning against Koreans actually matters. WCS EU has actually been awesome, because we've had the top European players vs some good Koreans. Take out the Koreans and you basically make the entire tournament a lot less prestigious. It's still no WCS KR/Code S, which is why nobody is getting excited for how awesome MVP is like they did the last time he won Code S, but the Korean element means this tournament is as important as your Dreamhacks, MLGs and the like (maybe even moreso). Exactly this. The small amount of koreans made WCS EU an awesome tournament to watch (and stream numbers showed that too, exceeding 120k overall if i'm not mistaken for the final). Korea vs world is always an interesting thing to watch. | ||
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matsushi
Philippines65 Posts
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ke_ivan
Singapore374 Posts
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crashonly
Finland418 Posts
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levelping
Singapore759 Posts
On May 28 2013 01:15 ke_ivan wrote: Honestly, if you want to talk about fair, then SEA/ANZ regions + Taiwan + China are kinda screwed. Even Moonglade, god bless his soul, doesn't even live in AM, and had to fly to AM on a personal sponsorship (is that you, Dox?) to compete. So guess what? Count your lucky stars (or your viewership numbers) that your region was chosen to have a competition in its own region. I think SEA/ANZ would have killed to play against Koreans, in a tournament to call its own. Hear fucking hear. I mean if I had mvp to represent sea that would be so cool. But wait we do not even have a sea tournament so no representative  Lets region lock everything so everyone outside of eu am and Korea can't play! Bye Sen. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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Tauscond
United States181 Posts
Haters, just stop watching. Go watch WCG instead! | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
The level was also really great, the top8 players all deserved to be there, and a dream final in Stephano vs MVP. I didn't care who won of them, either amazing players! | ||
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Azzzle
France1 Post
On May 27 2013 07:18 bsdaemon wrote: Someone uploaded ForGG and Stephano's reactions in YouTube too. LOL | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
Edit: Sarcasm aside, the issue seems to be exclusively Koreans. Moonglade and Snute are in the Ro8 of WCS yet that does not seem to be an issue. The issue always brought up is "But these things should be region locked, I don't want Koreans in EU/AM", yet Snute and Moonglade seem to have done their fair share of American-killing in WCS America. Which, by the way, was never advertised like last year's WCS - the "America" only stands for where the tournament is played out. Nowhere was it said (at least not by Blizzard) that it should be limited to Americans. | ||
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Obender99
United States31 Posts
On May 28 2013 03:25 Zealously wrote: Don't get me wrong guys I have nothing against Koreans but I don't want them in my tournaments Edit: Sarcasm aside, the issue seems to be exclusively Koreans. Moonglade and Snute are in the Ro8 of WCS yet that does not seem to be an issue. The issue always brought up is "But these things should be region locked, I don't want Koreans in EU/AM", yet Snute and Moonglade seem to have done their fair share of American-killing in WCS America. Which, by the way, was never advertised like last year's WCS - the "America" only stands for where the tournament is played out. Nowhere was it said (at least not by Blizzard) that it should be limited to Americans. Amen, please stop the Korea bashing. Edit: It's like saying the French Open should only be limited to French players, the Australian open to Aussies and the US open to Americans. That doesn't apply to any sport, nor should it apply to this one. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On May 27 2013 22:30 robson1 wrote: It's like saying: Hey you guys over there in Hungary. You know what. The second bundesliga (soccer) is way better than your premier division(no offense to Hungarians i dont actually know if the second division in germany would beat any teams in hungary). Why don't you just take the 10 best teams from the second division in germany and let them play for your championship. No really. We're doin you a favor. We have better teams and players. You get to see high level games. Best.comparison.ever. | ||
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