EPT[WCS EU] Mvp Wins S1 Championship & Recap - Page 6
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Oddball28
Denmark2121 Posts
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yeeshdontjudgeme
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On May 27 2013 07:06 ACrow wrote: Wax, no mention of  MVP Jürgen Jung Hyun? I'm disappointed!Congratulations to MVP, he showed why he is the best player in SC2 history to date! Please let's not make that a thing. | ||
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bhfberserk
Canada390 Posts
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liatis
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aslejoh
Norway96 Posts
On May 27 2013 11:48 evaniss wrote: i also want to see foreign players wins many of tournaments but think about it WCS is not kinda Competition for restrictions of National tournament from this year try to look in Golf Tournaments of the world Europe has The European Tour, Unite States has The PGA Tour and Asia has The Asian Tour but they are No nationality restrictions to participate you know what? Rory Mcillory who an north irish golfer he plays in PGA tour right now, and there are bunch of foreign players in The PGA and The European Tour and The Asia Tour now WCS is NOT kinda Competition between countries and regions it's all about Competition between groups from now on All I have to say to this is - look at the Champions League. Your example is just stupid. I do however support Koreans being able to participate in WCS EU and NA. | ||
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stormssc
Poland125 Posts
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MuMeise
Germany81 Posts
On May 27 2013 21:21 stormssc wrote: I wish WCS had restrictions. I'm very disappointed that Koreans were allowed to participate in EU and NA. As much as I enjoy watching Koreans play, I think there should be at least one major tournament with restrictions. At least one. WCS is most suitable for this, but Blizz spoiled it for me. *signed It's even more frustrating in knowing that MVP despite his win is just code B in korea. No discussions about that. He knew he couldn't do it in korea so he competed here. Comment from another forum: I think it is a step in the wrong direction to have non europeans play in the WCS eu and non americans play in the WCS america... you will have the competeition either way in the WCS global challenge, so why have it before? If every year another korean wins those tournaments no american or european will watch it anymore. WCS EU should be about the question: who is the best european nation in terms of SC2. Otherwise: why do we call it even WCS EU if everyone can compete here? This is like having soccer eu championship and not a france team would compete for france but a german team. and lateron in the world championship it would be germany against germany... whereas the one german team is actually playing for france o_O man this is just stupid. it is not about racism but about friendly competition that actually makes sense... otherwise we just have yet anohter standard LAN like dreamhack where everybody can compete... end of story | ||
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lue
Sweden27 Posts
They showed his reaction when he finally ran out of cash after bashing his head and a couple of thousands of units against mech-MVP and it was hilarious. Then when ForGG blew up his own units he just had the most epic grin of all time, pure champ! Can't say I mind the koreans, the EUs held them off pretty well and while I personally would've rather seen ForGG, stephano, TLO or Dimaga win instead of MVP, he still put on a great finals and the win was well deserved. | ||
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KarlSiegt
Italy35 Posts
Buff Toss. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On May 27 2013 21:41 MuMeise wrote: *signed It's even more frustrating in knowing that MVP despite his win is just code B in korea. No discussions about that. He knew he couldn't do it in korea so he competed here. It was partly Blizzard's fault in the first place with WCS system dragging down South Korean tournaments (that is, forcing no more than a combined 3 major tournaments a year from GSL and OSL, and forcing the prize pool to be set at a certain point matched with all other regions, even if the prize pool is lower). If GSL wasn't reduced from 5 to 2 (and OSL from 2 to 1) a year, and also if those prize pool didn't get cut drastically, then maybe MVP would have stayed competing in Korea. Currently as it stands, if you're knocked out of Code S and Code A, there's little incentive to stay playing when you can compete in other areas where the profitability is higher. Though to be fair also to Blizzard, part of the reason is SC2 isn't doing as well in South Korea, so the demand for more SC2 tournaments isn't high enough for there to be other stuff outside of GSL and OSL I guess. Finally being in Code B =/= being able to compete with Code S players. For example, if there were 200 players and they were all equally skilled... then 32 out of 200 (even if they were all equally skilled) is Code S, 32 out of 200 is Code A, and the rest will be Code B (even if they are all equally skilled and can take games off of each other and win 50/50 in any BoX series). (Edit - Of course people who consistent stay in Code S has to be commended but there are few players who have been able to consistent stay in Code S. Most of players in Code S right now are new... and MVP is one of the few players to be in Code S more than 10 times too.) It's just how the system of supply (in this case, tournament spots) and demand (in this case, players wanting to be in tournament spots) work. People shouldn't detract from MVP or detract from anyone just because they're in Code B or not in Code S. The amount of pro players of course of SC2 has increased but the amount of tournaments spots has remained the same (and in case of the Korean tournaments, it has actually decreased drastically ever since SC2 came out). | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
I mean. Congratz to MVP i love the guy, and he deserves the win and everything. But he really shouldn't even be in this tournament. Either do the whole national system. Or don't. But this is just plain awful. Cheers to and ESL though, they ran a great show. | ||
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Obender99
United States31 Posts
P.S. - MVP!!!!!! | ||
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robson1
3632 Posts
On May 27 2013 22:28 Obender99 wrote: Let's face facts: Korean SC2 players are the best. I like watching high level games. WCS EU & AM now offer more opportunities to see them perform. I see nothing wrong with this. P.S. - MVP!!!!!! It's like saying: Hey you guys over there in Hungary. You know what. The second bundesliga (soccer) is way better than your premier division(no offense to Hungarians i dont actually know if the second division in germany would beat any teams in hungary). Why don't you just take the 10 best teams from the second division in germany and let them play for your championship. No really. We're doin you a favor. We have better teams and players. You get to see high level games. | ||
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greenknight999
69 Posts
As a mech Terran I absolutely loved MVPs play. That was fantastic, I would love to see how he adapts to hots more in the next season. Taught me a fair bit for ladder too  Great tournament, lets see more of it | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On May 27 2013 22:20 robson1 wrote: Let's make the next Olympic qualifier for 100m dash with the same system like WCS, so we can have 7 Jamaicans and an american in the Finals. Don't you see how we get the highest quality and should be thankful to have such an awesome system? I mean. Congratz to MVP i love the guy, and he deserves the win and everything. But he really shouldn't even be in this tournament. Either do the whole national system. Or don't. But this is just plain awful. Cheers to and ESL though, they ran a great show. Kinda agrees with this, however, someone like ForGG living in France, or Polt living in the US should be allowed to participate to WCS KR/US. The system as it is right now is not helping US/EU esport to grow as much as it could have, which is a missed opportunity imo. | ||
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GenghisKhan
United Kingdom68 Posts
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Obender99
United States31 Posts
It's like saying: Hey you guys over there in Hungary. You know what. The second bundesliga (soccer) is way better than your premier division(no offense to Hungarians i dont actually know if the second division in germany would beat any teams in hungary). Why don't you just take the 10 best teams from the second division in germany and let them play for your championship. No really. We're doin you a favor. We have better teams and players. You get to see high level games. To use your analogy - I have no interest whatsoever in watching second division soccer. Do you? I like to watch the best of the best compete against one another. If there is not a single EU/AM player among them - no problem. I want to watch the gods play, not some scrubs who have no skill. | ||
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
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MuMeise
Germany81 Posts
On May 27 2013 22:38 greenknight999 wrote: I'm a little disappointed about the talk of Koreans in EU finals. ForGG has lived in France for over a year, plays for a French team and is a part of our european scene. He might be korean, but he is a european player. MVP could be called a mercenary, but if you're not interested by the story of a broken foreign champion seeking to redeem himself then you're pretty hard to please tbh. As a mech Terran I absolutely loved MVPs play. That was fantastic, I would love to see how he adapts to hots more in the next season. Taught me a fair bit for ladder too Great tournament, lets see more of it don't get me wrong. I have really NOTHING against koreans competeing in the EU at all! But for competetions like this we have dreamhack, IEM etc. I am an american livin in germany... so I know exactly what I am talking about here. but it's not too much to ask for one good organized EU / NA tournament with a high prizepool and not this ESL kind of 2000 Euro for first place stuff after competing for 3 month... Local starcraft guys also need to know: Yes there is a high pricepool for locals that I have the chance to win. With guys like MVP most locals don't even bother to try. This is the problem with competition. It is like matching a high grandmaster all the time against a master level player. He won't learn anything but quit eventually. And yes... there were awsome games.. Especially stephano vs. forgg. I loved the game. But it doesn't mean that we can't have awsome games with locals too. And we will never know if we don't let the locals compete and get better. Like I said. It is like having a soccer world championship and the only thing you would see is germans or brazilians competing each other... no one would bother to watch because you need to a certain point identify yourself with the guy. That's just human nature. And it doesn't have to be bad but it can and will be on a friendly level. But to be honest I cheer for germany in soccer if they are in the finals. But I cheer for the US team as long as they are in the game... it's just the way it goes. And you CLEARLY saw that the crowd also cheered mostly for stephano... Everyone wanted him to win it... That's just the way it is. | ||
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