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On December 07 2012 23:33 JKM wrote:
Looking very much forward to this! Will be very interesting to see how the unholy alliance performs, but I think they will need Taeja back top-top shape, to again become unstoppable.
On another note, can anyone say approximately how long will the opening ceremony / pre-show be before games start? I'm sort of tight on time, so I'd like to time my day so I can catch some games without watching some pre-show thingie. TY!
Maybe 5-10 minutes after the start of the broadcast, the first game will begin.
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On December 07 2012 23:34 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 23:33 JKM wrote:
Looking very much forward to this! Will be very interesting to see how the unholy alliance performs, but I think they will need Taeja back top-top shape, to again become unstoppable.
On another note, can anyone say approximately how long will the opening ceremony / pre-show be before games start? I'm sort of tight on time, so I'd like to time my day so I can catch some games without watching some pre-show thingie. TY! Maybe 5-10 minutes after the start of the broadcast, the first game will begin.
Thank you! Lovely they're so quick about it, long pregame shows tend to be tedious and boring (unless they're ceremonies including wacky players  ).
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I hope Thorzain will be one of the ones that will play instead of HuK and Idra.. -.- But anyway I like this "unholy Alliance" :D Its going to be epic, especially when EG has JD and stephano(second JD), OMG :D + Taeja and herO. Epic.
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I'd be surprised if EG-TL actually wins it like predicted in this article. Time will tell.
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KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
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Well done write-up  As much of a primer as could be hoped for given how hazey our experience is with even the kespa players we have gotten to see so far, let alone the ones that we haven't.
I concur with EG-TL being the favorite, though I hadn't thought of the travel concerns. Still, it's theirs to lose.
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Brood war fans
/think tournaments are dumb because there are no elephants
/get excited about a tournament with few of the best koreans in it.
Was surprised to see Unholy Alliance at No.1, but really on paper they've got the best stats. The BW stars are pretty unproven at this stage, and those teams with pros who have shown some promise (Flash, Rain) are deservedly rated higher. But there's many more years of cumulative experience in the UH team, and top players like Taeja, Stephano and HerO should see the team through to a few months of wins.
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Olli
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On December 07 2012 23:10 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 20:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Take a look at the maps people, your brain will explode. You have NEVER seen stuff like that. I have no words for this.
WHO MADE THESE? What in every fuck where they thinking? Take three bases on Arkanoid without your opponent having a way into your base? Like... WHAT
The other maps are no better either. Prepare to forget everything you ever thought you knew about the game. They were thinking one thing for sure : adapt BW maps. They may have thought one more thing : bring some diversity. And your comment on Arkanoid is kinda weird... Does Daybreak ring any bells ? Finally, I'm fully prepared to forget everythiin I thought I ever knew about the game. It shows it's refreshing and breaking a metagame which is in place for some time now. Which is imo a good thing. Then, I'll tend to say that pitchforks should wait for some games being played on it before actually criticize. I know you can theorycraft with the maps' dispositions, but if I learned one thing on the internet these last years, it's that 99% of theorycrafting is just plain bs (it's still my and only my opinion. I'm not pretending it's universally true).
Wut.
There's literally no entrance to your base. Every path is cut off by destructible rocks. Not sure what you're trying to say but you can pretty much forget everything you ever thought you knew. And that's retarded. And let me tell you RIGHT this second why they're doing this: so BW players don't get absolutely slaughtered by people like Rain, Bogus and the EG-TL guys who know the SC2 metagame better than anyone else. This way none of that matters because nobody will know what the flying fuck is actually going on. Well fucking played KeSPA.
For example, Arkanoid. Tell me how you're supposed to scout. You can't even fucking know what your opponent is doing or where he is until you scan/get an observer or overlord in their base OR destroy the 5 million destructible rocks on the map. What the fuck is the point of a game when you can't scout? What does that have to do with skill? You just 4 gate warp prism every game as protoss because it's the one gamble that catches most enemy builds?
Sure it's gonna be refreshing and all but it's got no place in what's supposed to be a serious and prestigeous SC2 tournament. Not unless you can FUCKING SCOUT YOUR OPPONENT.
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Hey is someone going to restream them at reasonable times ? 4 in the morning is not really working for me  Those times are gone
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On December 08 2012 00:19 RouaF wrote:
I'd be surprised if EG-TL actually wins it like predicted in this article. Time will tell.
ive come to think fionn is a bit biased, so i'll wait for the actual results :p
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On December 08 2012 01:16 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 00:19 RouaF wrote:
I'd be surprised if EG-TL actually wins it like predicted in this article. Time will tell. ive come to think fionn is a bit biased, so i'll wait for the actual results :p
fionn is also a bit cursed
he destroyed hyun's chance of winning last gsl because he said hyun would win in the middle of the series when hyun was up 3-2 vs sniper
naturally sniper dominated the moment fionn posted it was over
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I have a feeling that Araknoid will result in air rushes, luck in breaking the right rocks, or LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG macro games.
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On December 08 2012 01:49 rice_devOurer wrote:
I have a feeling that Araknoid will result in air rushes, luck in breaking the right rocks, or LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG macro games.
It doesn't even matter because it's just a gamble map, no skill involved whatsoever. Who gambles right wins.
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On December 08 2012 00:31 jackslater wrote:
EG Luquid gogogo!
+1!
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really hope bisu comes out of nowhere and stomps faces!
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On December 08 2012 01:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 23:10 Ragnarork wrote:On December 07 2012 20:00 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Take a look at the maps people, your brain will explode. You have NEVER seen stuff like that. I have no words for this.
WHO MADE THESE? What in every fuck where they thinking? Take three bases on Arkanoid without your opponent having a way into your base? Like... WHAT
The other maps are no better either. Prepare to forget everything you ever thought you knew about the game. They were thinking one thing for sure : adapt BW maps. They may have thought one more thing : bring some diversity. And your comment on Arkanoid is kinda weird... Does Daybreak ring any bells ? Finally, I'm fully prepared to forget everythiin I thought I ever knew about the game. It shows it's refreshing and breaking a metagame which is in place for some time now. Which is imo a good thing. Then, I'll tend to say that pitchforks should wait for some games being played on it before actually criticize. I know you can theorycraft with the maps' dispositions, but if I learned one thing on the internet these last years, it's that 99% of theorycrafting is just plain bs (it's still my and only my opinion. I'm not pretending it's universally true). Wut. There's literally no entrance to your base. Every path is cut off by destructible rocks. Not sure what you're trying to say but you can pretty much forget everything you ever thought you knew. And that's retarded. And let me tell you RIGHT this second why they're doing this: so BW players don't get absolutely slaughtered by people like Rain, Bogus and the EG-TL guys who know the SC2 metagame better than anyone else. This way none of that matters because nobody will know what the flying fuck is actually going on. Well fucking played KeSPA. For example, Arkanoid. Tell me how you're supposed to scout. You can't even fucking know what your opponent is doing or where he is until you scan/get an observer or overlord in their base OR destroy the 5 million destructible rocks on the map. What the fuck is the point of a game when you can't scout? What does that have to do with skill? You just 4 gate warp prism every game as protoss because it's the one gamble that catches most enemy builds? Sure it's gonna be refreshing and all but it's got no place in what's supposed to be a serious and prestigeous SC2 tournament. Not unless you can FUCKING SCOUT YOUR OPPONENT.
You know, people complain about lack of innovation or stagnation in map design. KesPA put out new maps to try out and people still complain. No wonder why there is a stagnation in the first place.
There's a saying that don't judge the book by its cover. The same hold true here, don't judge a map only by a preview picture until it is tested that it is good or not. Many people who watched the game played on it during the show match between STX and SKT said that it bring a refreshing game play to a stagnate meta game so at least it has a potential.
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For once HuK can't complain about Fionn's predictions ROFL
On December 08 2012 01:59 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:49 rice_devOurer wrote:
I have a feeling that Araknoid will result in air rushes, luck in breaking the right rocks, or LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG macro games. It doesn't even matter because it's just a gamble map, no skill involved whatsoever. Who gambles right wins.
Scan / Overlord / Observer.
It's not that hard for top players to adjust to maps quick. Just look at how Bomber did during Trials of the Xel Naga. He would've steamrolled the tournament if the live audience there weren't morons.
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You sir have somehow got me interested in SC2.
I was reading Ver's schebang about patchzergs which dishearteningly implies that SC2 is being designed so that white guys have an assured shot at beating Koreans ... if they play Zerg. The reason being, white fans don't for the most part care about how good the Koreans are, just that a foreigner gets a spot in the top 8.
I realize it was great being a fan a few years ago, because since they were all Korean, I followed (or despised) the players' character and teams, not just the fact that they were a token upset. Sadly, the ESF players are largely just a panel of similar Korean faces to me, no personal story to enjoy (unless I do year's worth of digging).
But even if it's not BW they're playing anymore, I will fulfill my part-time promise, to entertain a following for proleague for the sake of personal stories and connections. Its different, but its still Jaedong and Fantasy and BOXER COACHING (I whimpered in delight when I read that) .... except now the board's been slanted so Idra has a fighting chance (LOL!). Oh and foreigners too, which is always nice. They're living a dream I'm sure many of us have entertained (I sure have).
So BW peeps, pinch your nose and dive in. SKT HWAITING! [and now I've got a sick SKT shirt, life rocks]
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