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[GSL] Finals Recap: Life vs. Mvp (Season 4) - Page 7

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Akash1223
Profile Joined March 2011
United States91 Posts
October 20 2012 17:27 GMT
#121
Although this was a 7 game series I felt the games themselves were fairly one-sided; game seven was probably the only game that was somewhat close. Every game was essentially MVP doing some harass and then hitting his mech timing and either winning the game with the attack, or losing the game shortly after the attack was defended. There was never a situation where both players came out even after a major engagement.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
October 20 2012 17:32 GMT
#122
Gj Life! Won that shit like a baws!
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 20 2012 17:36 GMT
#123
On October 21 2012 02:27 Akash1223 wrote:
Although this was a 7 game series I felt the games themselves were fairly one-sided; game seven was probably the only game that was somewhat close. Every game was essentially MVP doing some harass and then hitting his mech timing and either winning the game with the attack, or losing the game shortly after the attack was defended. There was never a situation where both players came out even after a major engagement.


Isn't that the case for a lot of the games? It comes down to timings or that big engagement.
Ethoex
Profile Joined June 2012
United States164 Posts
October 20 2012 17:36 GMT
#124
glad to see him become the fist royal roader
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
October 20 2012 17:40 GMT
#125
On October 21 2012 02:04 MasterKang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2012 01:53 Bippzy wrote:
THAT WAS SUCH AN EPIC FINALS>my hands are shaking from the epicness all over the place. MVP is so frickin good vs zerg it isnt even real and life is a scary mofo who basically requires perfect execution and prediction to kill.

MVP had so many brilliant plays and i think the finals recapper failed to mention that if MVP split his vikings in the first two games than he may of been able to win. in addition, it should have been noted that the exact amount of MVPs drone kills(anywhere from 11-40) strongly predicted how the game would play out, and that the BFH build got dimishing returns. Also you can't say
On the other hand, Life made the slightly puzzling move of going for an early pool, with which he succeeded at forcing an annoying command center cancel on Mvp.

Slightly puzzling? That shuts down any greediness or early 2rax, the two scary things terran players and MVP have shown they like to pull out at crunch time.


SUCH A GOOD FINALS though. and the recap is by no means bad. And I think in the first games MVP may have disillusioned himself into thinking that he could hide his vikings behind siege tanks so they couldn't get fungled, but that didn't work.


Life is good. Mvp is so good. SC2 is so good. Dying? in the same way Life is dying(hint: Life is 15 and the average human lifespan is more than 3 times that so haha)


good finals? hardly. close score but the games were one-sided with sloppy play from both sides throughout the series. The fact that the underdog won through great perseverance and mechanics made it an OK finals


At the pinnacle of skill both of the players were playing at, the mistakes were nearly forced considering the circumstances. It was a great finals. I don't even see the onesidedness you speak of, remarkable things had to be done by the player with the a higher supply to even begin to look like they were winning.
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Shyndashu
Profile Joined September 2011
United States136 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#126
lucky for the zenex disband. startale couldve been a long time until startale was good enough for a title. lifes always been a pretty consistent player. well deserved victory.
MonDeW
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark369 Posts
October 20 2012 17:47 GMT
#127
Some say that Life won this season because of his style, and how unusual it was and that no one knows how to go against it probably. I disagree. If you look at it on paper, Mvp's style should counter Life's ling heavy, very aggressive style pretty handily, but that was not the case all of the time. Look at the games Mvp won, and how much he turtled and how much damage he did you kill Life. The fact that Life was able to defeat the counter-style of his style was amazing, and shows a lot of skill in my eyes.

GG WP Lifuh! <3
creamyturtle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States487 Posts
October 20 2012 17:49 GMT
#128
As a mech player I was thoroughly disappointed in MVP's play. You have to drop 2-3 starports if you are going to move out with a maxed Mech army, to be prepared for the BroodLord switch. This is how MVP lost games 1 and 2.

Also, SIEGE YOUR TANKS MVP wtfffff. If you don't siege the tanks to zone out the infestors, they can just walk in and fungal your vikings + throw swarm eggs all over your tanks. Not to mention MVP never built Thors to go with his siege tank army. Thors are awesome for holding of BL's and shooting clumped up corrupters.

Lastly, why didn't MVP use AUTO-REPAIR ?! Send like 5 scv's with your maxed army, and set them to auto-repair so your units stay strong. MVP repeatedly let his tanks and hellions get into the red and then tried to take positions with them on the map. This is not smart play, and shows that MVP hasn't thought out his strategies thoroughly. I expected more from the 4-time champ who is renowned for his strategizing in 7-game series'.
Terran it up.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
October 20 2012 17:51 GMT
#129
On October 21 2012 02:17 Shinespark wrote:
The best terran in the world knew what his opponent would do on every map. He still couldn't stop it even though he played like a god. Defended cheese on the last map and then mutas that did absolutely nothing but kill a depot and he still lost.
Taeja said so on an interview just the other day, brood lord infestor is unbeatable.

Mvp forced Life into BL/Infestor with his mech composition. What other composition do you suggest against mech?
k1w1
Profile Joined September 2012
United States22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 17:55:39
October 20 2012 17:52 GMT
#130
I feel like G7 was the only game really worth watching. Life probably could have won 4-0 if he just stuck to infestor bl. The fact that MVP went mech every game was a bit weird but probably due to his injury so it makes sense that he did, but he did the same openings every time and I feel like Life should have picked up it and just gone early spire muta harass into infestor broodlord. I'm impressed with how well he did against blueflame hellion harass with pretty much just lings and queens, after the first huge harass where MVP got 29 drone kills Life caught on and it became more ineffective. G7 was really well played by LIfe though, I think it showed that he understood what MVP's mindset was and how to crush him. The transition from roaches into mutas back into roaches and then into BL's was really cool to watch and completely caught MVP off guard. Maybe it was because it was 5:00AM and I was still drunk, but the whole series, and G7 specifically, was an amazing thing to watch. Mostly because he's the first Royal Roader and doing it against MVP, even an injured MVP is something incredible.


Also in the Mech style that MVP chose, mass tanks and a sprinkling of thors and vikings, there really isn't a case where you come out even from an engagement. You either push back the more mobile zerg army or you get trampled. For either side there wasn't the unit composition where you can commit and then decide that it isn't going in your favor and back out, lick your wounds and regroup, especially Mech against Ling / Infestor / BL, when those fights were over Life can just remax super fast, and he usually had corruptors left over that he could morph real quick, also he had burrow just about every game I recall so the infestors were able to get away and MVP didn't have the mobility to capitalize on the energyless infestors.

And in every game that Life didn't go BL's MVP's sheer tank production took over and allowed him to push Life back and gg him.

On October 21 2012 02:17 Shinespark wrote:
The best terran in the world knew what his opponent would do on every map. He still couldn't stop it even though he played like a god. Defended cheese on the last map and then mutas that did absolutely nothing but kill a depot and he still lost.
Taeja said so on an interview just the other day, brood lord infestor is unbeatable.


MVP did a good job in the last game, I believe it was, with his viking spread, he had almost a full 180 degree spread shooting down the BL's. But as it's been said elsewhere he needed to change up his comp a bit more, less siege tanks and more thors. The hellions helped tremendously but he was never really prepared for an air army.
clever_us
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States329 Posts
October 20 2012 18:00 GMT
#131
Game 7 was the hottest thing ever
glhf <3
yeastiality
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada374 Posts
October 20 2012 18:01 GMT
#132
On October 21 2012 02:17 Shinespark wrote:
The best terran in the world knew what his opponent would do on every map. He still couldn't stop it even though he played like a god. Defended cheese on the last map and then mutas that did absolutely nothing but kill a depot and he still lost.
Taeja said so on an interview just the other day, brood lord infestor is unbeatable.


you know asspained zergs/protoss said the same thing every time MVP won a GSL right?
the reality is much simpler than all this convoluted balance whining - MVP and Life are both really good players, and Life won a series between them

it's not some big expression of all the evils in the world..it's just one guy winning a series over another guy
if you want to imply that Life didn't work obscenely hard or play ridiculously well, you're just being a dick
SeOh
Profile Joined April 2012
United States32 Posts
October 20 2012 18:02 GMT
#133
I'll admit I am butthurt that Mvp lost, but all of the infestor/broodlord wins were less interesting than the other games :/
SilverWolfe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada173 Posts
October 20 2012 18:05 GMT
#134
As much of an Mvp and IM fan that I am, Life deserves his accomplishment. Not only that but I don't feel bitter at all, he's a talented kid with a great future in esports, and the parallels to him and Flash are easy to draw given their youth at the time they won their first major starleague. It's cool to think that we actually have a Royal Roader now as well as Startale feeling much happier as a team for finally having a champion. Startale has been a great team with tons of memorable players over the past few years since SC2 came out, I still remember seeing them in the GSTL finals. They deserve it and hopefully it brings out more fight in Life and the other players on his team so that they can win even more championships.

As for Mvp, I'm sure he's feeling bitter about missing the chance to have that G5L trophy, but in due time I have no doubt he will get his hands on it. People have missed the chance to get a golden mouse and gotten it later, I believe eventually Mvp will get it.
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KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
October 20 2012 18:08 GMT
#135
These games were amazing to watch! Sad to see MVP lose, but gratz to Life!
Paper is Imba. Scissors is fine. -Rock
VelvetRemedy
Profile Joined October 2012
4 Posts
October 20 2012 18:08 GMT
#136
Well that's a bit surprising. I think this is a good lesson to Terrans: Mech still isn't the best choice vs zerg. Hell, mech wasn't even used at all much until the HoTS beta came out. This also shows how good BL's are still.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 20 2012 18:10 GMT
#137
and so goes mvp, so goes sc2.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
neightron
Profile Joined September 2012
2 Posts
October 20 2012 18:13 GMT
#138
Where are the replays or VOD's? I was too busy chasing ugly girls around the bars last night to watch. :\
lolwut?
DreamTheaterFan
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada52 Posts
October 20 2012 18:19 GMT
#139
Even though it wasn't the best series ever (certainly not on par with DRG vs MMA in the blizzard cup or Leenock vs Jjakji GSL november) and I've seen more impressive TVZ series from MVP (namely him vs leenock all the time), it certainly was a good one, better than MC vs Seed for sure or Inca vs Nestea (the horror...). For those who whine about zergs turtling, it's actually terrans who turtle with mech, not the opposite. And saying that when the zerg is none other than Life, the most agressive and proactive player I've seen, it just doesn't make sense: he was constantly everywhere on the map, cancelling CCs and destroying expensions left and right, abusing his mobility vs mech's slow pace. As a zerg I do think a nerf is in order, but Life has always been a pre-patch lair agressive player, I'm convinced he would have been in the same situation regardless of balance issues.

GG to both!
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
October 20 2012 18:23 GMT
#140
Really happy for god who played the best Zerg I've ever seen. Sorta feel like MVP threw that last game away after a significant lead though, so I am sad for him. Great finals and great story.
Try another route paperboy.
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