On October 20 2012 22:40 pimsc2 wrote: This was a terrible final… We really see how zergs mindset is right now. No micro, no agressive play, just pure boring & passive defensive macro style into even more boring & passive broodlord infestors deathballs… And it works, even if you make more mistakes than your opponent. Thanks David Kim for your great work. I'm gonna watch older GSL games, they were a lot more entertaining back then, and more rewarding for the great players like the Mvp.
No agressive play? Life opened early pool twice and was always searching for backstabs and openings and kept Mvp at his base for as long as possible. Blame Mvp for going mech EVERY single game if you didn't like passive play.
I don't think it was life's fault, he was agressive, there's just no other way to kill mech at lategame without brood lords, specially with so many tanks
The problem is though that early aggression just doesn't cut it for terrans with queens like they are now. this range buff killed a lot of terran openings. The style we see thus is more lategamefocused with a lot of turtling from T. And Z really can't break a Terran defense without Blords. And there we go with this finals.
I rooted for MVP but I can't say Life didn't deserve it. congratz
Bullshit. Plenty of Terrans still play aggressive. MVP has either been cheesing or turtling against Zerg for over a year now. It's his style. Before the finals all the fanboys were saying he was the perfect counter to Life's aggressive play, because he's the master of turtling.
On October 20 2012 22:40 pimsc2 wrote: This was a terrible final… We really see how zergs mindset is right now. No micro, no agressive play, just pure boring & passive defensive macro style into even more boring & passive broodlord infestors deathballs… And it works, even if you make more mistakes than your opponent. Thanks David Kim for your great work. I'm gonna watch older GSL games, they were a lot more entertaining back then, and more rewarding for the great players like the Mvp.
lol did you even watch the games? wtf i don't even..
On October 21 2012 00:35 bsdaemon wrote: i thought life said he wouldn't kiss the trophy and just hold it? lol.
Yeah and then the MC made it a point to say, "now we will have the OBLIGATORY trophy kiss ceremony." which just made me laugh, because life couldn't decide whether to kiss it or not.
I think it's crazy that someone can lose 40 drones and still win the game. The production ability of Zerg is just insane and late game zerg is just as crazy. Not to say that Terran doesn't have it's issues.
Anyways... GG to life... you have to give it to him, he just beat one of the best (if not "currently" the best) players in the world.
THAT WAS SUCH AN EPIC FINALS>my hands are shaking from the epicness all over the place. MVP is so frickin good vs zerg it isnt even real and life is a scary mofo who basically requires perfect execution and prediction to kill.
MVP had so many brilliant plays and i think the finals recapper failed to mention that if MVP split his vikings in the first two games than he may of been able to win. in addition, it should have been noted that the exact amount of MVPs drone kills(anywhere from 11-40) strongly predicted how the game would play out, and that the BFH build got dimishing returns. Also you can't say
On the other hand, Life made the slightly puzzling move of going for an early pool, with which he succeeded at forcing an annoying command center cancel on Mvp.
Slightly puzzling? That shuts down any greediness or early 2rax, the two scary things terran players and MVP have shown they like to pull out at crunch time.
SUCH A GOOD FINALS though. and the recap is by no means bad. And I think in the first games MVP may have disillusioned himself into thinking that he could hide his vikings behind siege tanks so they couldn't get fungled, but that didn't work.
Life is good. Mvp is so good. SC2 is so good. Dying? in the same way Life is dying(hint: Life is 15 and the average human lifespan is more than 3 times that so haha)
On October 21 2012 01:53 Bippzy wrote: THAT WAS SUCH AN EPIC FINALS>my hands are shaking from the epicness all over the place. MVP is so frickin good vs zerg it isnt even real and life is a scary mofo who basically requires perfect execution and prediction to kill.
MVP had so many brilliant plays and i think the finals recapper failed to mention that if MVP split his vikings in the first two games than he may of been able to win. in addition, it should have been noted that the exact amount of MVPs drone kills(anywhere from 11-40) strongly predicted how the game would play out, and that the BFH build got dimishing returns. Also you can't say
On the other hand, Life made the slightly puzzling move of going for an early pool, with which he succeeded at forcing an annoying command center cancel on Mvp.
Slightly puzzling? That shuts down any greediness or early 2rax, the two scary things terran players and MVP have shown they like to pull out at crunch time.
SUCH A GOOD FINALS though. and the recap is by no means bad. And I think in the first games MVP may have disillusioned himself into thinking that he could hide his vikings behind siege tanks so they couldn't get fungled, but that didn't work.
Life is good. Mvp is so good. SC2 is so good. Dying? in the same way Life is dying(hint: Life is 15 and the average human lifespan is more than 3 times that so haha)
good finals? hardly. close score but the games were one-sided with sloppy play from both sides throughout the series. The fact that the underdog won through great perseverance and mechanics made it an OK finals
On October 20 2012 22:40 pimsc2 wrote: This was a terrible final… We really see how zergs mindset is right now. No micro, no agressive play, just pure boring & passive defensive macro style into even more boring & passive broodlord infestors deathballs… And it works, even if you make more mistakes than your opponent. Thanks David Kim for your great work. I'm gonna watch older GSL games, they were a lot more entertaining back then, and more rewarding for the great players like the Mvp.
lol did you even watch the games? wtf i don't even..
Really nice play by both of them, happy with Life taking a championship , IM have enough for now haha. The build orders might not have been that varied but the games were still exciting and it could have easily gone either way.
The best terran in the world knew what his opponent would do on every map. He still couldn't stop it even though he played like a god. Defended cheese on the last map and then mutas that did absolutely nothing but kill a depot and he still lost. Taeja said so on an interview just the other day, brood lord infestor is unbeatable.
On October 21 2012 01:57 IcemanAsi wrote: SON OF A BITCH! SPOILERS!
What the hell is wrong with you guys?! Putting that kind of spoiler on the front page?! FFS!
..click the the hide spoiler box?
A. What spoiler box?! B. Why isn't that damn thing clicked by defult?! . . . . found the box, think it could be more hidden?! It should be part of profile settings and be turned on as defult.
On October 20 2012 22:59 Andr3 wrote: Back like 2-3 months BEFORE the queen patch, when early/mid agression was quite standard for both sides BL's seemed like a luxury, that made you gasp in awe when they came out.
2-3 months? Its 5 months + get over it. Terran arguments are all pathetic and disrespectful - why dont you get BL "free" units are not that huge? What is the option here? Give the Bl a direct attack with some splash? because splash is needed, mass tier1 units would be OP as hell imagine just marine/medivac armys. 5k minerals income and 30 rax with reactor.
People say omg noobzerg, turtles for BL etc. but Life tried to be agressive, actually lifting up buildings or wallin is enough for terran to stop that which is ridiculous. 3-4 Vikings +1 turret at every mineral patch are enough to stop muta harass. Bunkers with massrepair, Planeterys with mass repair. We saw several tries to be agressive even if he was behind but nothing worked.
Lets be honest, terran is the turtling race and imagine Life wouldnt lose so much every single game to blueflame - we would see completely other games and he proved it, hes able to play a another style of zerg.
EPT
, IM have enough for now haha. The build orders might not have been that varied but the games were still exciting and it could have easily gone either way.
