• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:19
CEST 21:19
KST 04:19
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 226ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon415.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40Weekly Cups (June 22-28): Zergs thrive in new patch5[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation0
StarCraft 2
General
Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) 5.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War HomeStory Cup 29 RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch Data needed Snow On New ASL S22 Map, Zerg Nerf
Tourneys
CSLAN 4 is Coming! Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 The Casual Games of the Week Thread [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4765 users

Heart of the Swarm Update - Page 13

Forum Index > News
480 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 25 Next All
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
June 08 2012 23:17 GMT
#241
HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE!
Support your esport!
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
June 08 2012 23:18 GMT
#242
BC speed boost? Aww yeah.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 08 2012 23:19 GMT
#243
This is going to be amazing . Its not just going to revitalize the matchups, but its also going to change the way people think about MU's with all the new units that require positioning tactics along with the macro to support it all. It seems like Blizz is introducing ways of making the skill ceiling much, much higher .
User was warned for too many mimes.
MateShade
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia736 Posts
June 08 2012 23:19 GMT
#244
On June 09 2012 08:08 TheFish7 wrote:
Umm, I was seriously hoping they were trolling us when they first announced the new units. All these new units seem absolutely stupid to me.

Tempest - the answer to broodlords? You will still need starports to make them. and voidrays already hard counter BL and mass muta is not a problem in the current metagame. 22 range. wut?
Oracle - Harassment unit? ...... again, Harassment unit? wut?
Mothership Core/Mothership - another gimmick. just bring the arbiter back. what is hard about this?
Widow Mine - herp derp our other idea wasn't viable so lets bring back the spider mine except make it stupid
Warhound - Wait, didn't you mean to say "Goliath"?
Hellion - Now Terrans have to push an extra button to transform this into a useful unit. wut?
Viper - the bastard child of some Defiler's one night stand. Again, why not just put the defiler back in? dumb.
Swarm host - herp derp zerg has no siege units before broods so lets make some retarded version of the Lurker when really we should just put the lurker in the game
Burrow Charge - Now we can watch our ultralisks charge stupidly into a wall before they get kited to death! wut?

I really really really truly hope I am wrong here but honestly I am afraid for this expansion.

Cool story, tell it again bro

User was warned for this post
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 08 2012 23:19 GMT
#245
22 Range... The Siege Tank just cried T_T
Someone call down the Thunder?
ShamansForest
Profile Joined August 2011
United States21 Posts
June 08 2012 23:21 GMT
#246
No archon toilet?
"Use your smile to change the world. Don't let the world change your smile." - Liquid'HerO <3
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-08 23:24:18
June 08 2012 23:21 GMT
#247
On June 09 2012 08:17 takingbackoj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 08:14 pallad wrote:
But look now at hydras.. oh baby.. they move so fast at high tech . If zerg player can go fast to this tech at base play ( like roches one) IMO its instantly kill all toss warpgate pressure , even 7-8 blink stalkers gate pushes are dead now :D , im so happy :D


On June 09 2012 08:13 cbueno wrote:
Mothership needs to be removed
They give the oracle the abilities instead, just like in broodwar "arbiter". And keep the carriers. Dont remove the carriers specially since blizzard completelly ignored it all throught sc2!


But MS CANT MOVE NOW , its addon to nexus , like planetery fortres for terran. Toss cant attack you with MS , he cant vortex .. how you can complain at this ?

Well by the time a zerg gets to hive and completes that upgrade the protoss should have moved into the late game composition so he should have more than just gateway units.

And the mothership can still move. The mothership core can't.


ahh then its MS and mothership core now for toss? I miss that..

And as zerg player i can tell you zerg at 3 bases can go hive very fast , you just need take 6 gases fast , but dunno I must see game from some pro players to confirm my thinking , but IMO its possible to hit that timming to shot down toss gate pressure with hydras.
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Kanuck
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada50 Posts
June 08 2012 23:22 GMT
#248
i really hoped Blizzard learned more from the feedback from the last preview than they apparently did.... it doest take much looking to see the vast majority of feedback is negative here.


Also, if all they wanted was to give the protoss an flying siege unit, why not increase the carrier range? At least they other player would be able to defend at least a little. And then you keep one of the iconic units that made the game instead of forcing this new model for a failed unit.
There is no failure. Only feedback.
Animal_PL
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland11 Posts
June 08 2012 23:23 GMT
#249
Warhound should look like a one of these:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2AJVtO27Nlw/TGuQFUSCbtI/AAAAAAAAAJY/mSzXAjZx3HI/s1600/golem_web[1].jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iW9-ukBm9es/TQpLlgNKxnI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/3ehDCkaA2Fc/s1600/rook2a.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VRm3edgusok/TP3wAFtaaYI/AAAAAAAAAYY/jkomKZ67-Do/s1600/Warhounds_ASSAULT_7.jpg

Because now it looks like a SHIT!!!
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
June 08 2012 23:24 GMT
#250
Latest harassment unit: the tempest. Stand far far behind mineral patches in dead space, 1-shot workers while ground units can't touch you.
=Þ
aklambda
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria48 Posts
June 08 2012 23:25 GMT
#251
So if I want to play Mech as Terran now what are my options against air units? If the Thor is gone and the Warhound does not shoot up... ZvT: build Mutalisk only and win?
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
June 08 2012 23:26 GMT
#252
Tempest - I kinda dont like the idea of the Tempest, because its going to destroy a Brood Lord/Corruptor force. Killing Zerg late-game. Both are too slow to dogde a large AOE attack.

The Oracle is going to be a great harassment unit, if you think about it, it will be much faster than killing off workers giving it much faster harassment times and lower risk.

Core is super defensive/anti-harass with its purify ability and teleport ability. I would imagine you could warp to a drop and take it out quickly.

Mine - I feel its going to be similar to banelings. Could be used to snipe important units, really dependent on its range and the amount of time it takes to activate.

Warhound- cant say much until we see it

Hellions - Harassment unit that just got scary. You can run it fast into the base and transform into a potent force if trapped. I feel it'll make mech a hell lot more viable.

Viper - It'll be a good templar sniper. Good marine counter, will totally change TvZ more into a BW esque battle with Terrans microing out of the cloud.

SH - not sure on this one 45 seconds is a long time to wait.

Ultra - Sounds crazy. Ultras will be able to get better surrounds.

Hydra - I dont think it will make much of a difference with roaches being cheap. Hydras will always be an anti air response. Might see more usage in ZvP





Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Coolhwip
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden1381 Posts
June 08 2012 23:26 GMT
#253
Feels like they are just pumping in more magic into the game. As a protoss player, I dont like it.
crack
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
June 08 2012 23:26 GMT
#254
Starcraft 2: Brood War.

Are you happy Teamliquid?

I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
June 08 2012 23:26 GMT
#255
On June 09 2012 08:08 TheFish7 wrote:
Umm, I was seriously hoping they were trolling us when they first announced the new units. All these new units seem absolutely stupid to me.

Tempest - the answer to broodlords? You will still need starports to make them. and voidrays already hard counter BL and mass muta is not a problem in the current metagame. 22 range. wut?
Oracle - Harassment unit? ...... again, Harassment unit? wut?
Mothership Core/Mothership - another gimmick. just bring the arbiter back. what is hard about this?
Widow Mine - herp derp our other idea wasn't viable so lets bring back the spider mine except make it stupid
Warhound - Wait, didn't you mean to say "Goliath"?
Hellion - Now Terrans have to push an extra button to transform this into a useful unit. wut?
Viper - the bastard child of some Defiler's one night stand. Again, why not just put the defiler back in? dumb.
Swarm host - herp derp zerg has no siege units before broods so lets make some retarded version of the Lurker when really we should just put the lurker in the game
Burrow Charge - Now we can watch our ultralisks charge stupidly into a wall before they get kited to death! wut?

I really really really truly hope I am wrong here but honestly I am afraid for this expansion.
You know if you want to play Brood War, go play BW no one is stopping you.

I also find it odd that your so fond the the BW units, when you've only been apart of team liquid for a couple of months. I would have though such a big BW fan would have been much more aware of the community.

Btw here is the proper spelling of the word "What".
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 08 2012 23:27 GMT
#256
tempest kind of crap for the price.
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
June 08 2012 23:27 GMT
#257
On June 09 2012 08:26 Jerubaal wrote:
Starcraft 2: Brood War.

Are you happy Teamliquid?



Yes? Are people really complaining that SC2 is too much like BW?
cbueno
Profile Joined November 2008
Ireland76 Posts
June 08 2012 23:28 GMT
#258
On June 09 2012 08:14 pallad wrote:
But look now at hydras.. oh baby.. they move so fast at high tech . If zerg player can go fast to this tech at base play ( like roches one) IMO its instantly kill all toss warpgate pressure , even 7-8 blink stalkers gate pushes are dead now :D , im so happy :D


Show nested quote +
On June 09 2012 08:13 cbueno wrote:
Mothership needs to be removed
They give the oracle the abilities instead, just like in broodwar "arbiter". And keep the carriers. Dont remove the carriers specially since blizzard completelly ignored it all throught sc2!


But MS CANT MOVE NOW , its addon to nexus , like planetery fortres for terran. Toss cant attack you with MS , he cant vortex .. how you can complain at this ?


you got it wrong. the mothership still can move. the core cant move. the mothership now needs a core and fleet beacon.
that is to say that toss needs another building before he can build a motehrship. its retarded, not to mention that the whole idea of the mothership itself is retarded. make the oracle like the arbiter in broodwar!
awakenx
Profile Joined May 2011
United States341 Posts
June 08 2012 23:28 GMT
#259
Sooo... ZvZ is swarm hosts vs more swarm hosts?
WorstMicroNA
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
June 08 2012 23:28 GMT
#260
On June 09 2012 08:19 docvoc wrote:
This is going to be amazing . Its not just going to revitalize the matchups, but its also going to change the way people think about MU's with all the new units that require positioning tactics along with the macro to support it all. It seems like Blizz is introducing ways of making the skill ceiling much, much higher .

Except for micro. Where is moving shot? Where are faster units?
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 25 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 13h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
elazer 813
BRAT_OK 82
FoxeR 64
Railgan 55
MindelVK 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2955
Mini 337
Dewaltoss 154
Soulkey 145
ggaemo 139
Free 48
HiyA 25
NaDa 12
Dota 2
Gorgc9245
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps2571
fl0m1757
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King140
Other Games
Grubby2953
FrodaN1652
B2W.Neo472
C9.Mang0258
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick38156
BasetradeTV193
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 61
• musti20045 24
• Reevou 11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 23
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV368
Other Games
• imaqtpie809
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
13h 42m
CrankTV Team League
15h 42m
OSC
21h 42m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
CrankTV Team League
1d 15h
OSC
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
GSL
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W2
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Heroes Pulsing #3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.