Late Bloomers – HerO and Squirtle shut out SuperNoVa and TaeJa
There's a great bit of Korean pro-gaming lingo, that you can't quite find in the Anglo-sphere. In Korea, Liquid`HerO and ST_Squirtle's potential can be said to be “exploding,” which is an incredibly apt way to put it. With their 3 – 0 beatdowns of oGs.SuperNoVa and Liquid`TaeJa, the Protoss pair have gone from being on the fringes of Code A just months ago to looking like they could win a championship. In HerO's case, some might have considered him a ticking GSL time-bomb after he showed he could overcome his nerves and flex his muscles on the international stage. As for Squirtle, Startale managed to sneak him into IPL4, where proceeded to detonate and level half of Las Vegas, with the shockwave now reaching Korea. Behind closed doors, both had long been known to their teammates and friends as players who could make it in Code S. For whatever reason, everything kept going wrong for the two in the GSL, but now – and as if the pro-gaming gods are bestowing some karmic reparation – everything is going suddenly, incredibly right.
HerO got off to an inauspicious start in the first game on Entombed Valley, having his four-gate all-in scouted out before he was ready to strike. SuperNoVa was able to get some extra bunkers up in time, and HerO was forced to back off after killing just a handful of SCVs.
Yet, HerO was able to improbably transition from the veritable King of all-in builds into a normal game, pulling back and starting a late Nexus. It turned out that SuperNoVa gave HerO just a little too much time to recover – stubbornly going for a planned out, late marine-tank push instead of trying to hit HerO when he was weak. Though SuperNoVa was able to create a intimidating siege line with tanks and bunkers, looks ended up being deceiving as HerO's mass +2 zealots were able to crush through everything. Having invested so heavily in his contain, SuperNoVa was unable to recover, and he fell helplessly to the counter attack.
SuperNoVa tried to even the score with an FE into four-rax stim timing in the second game, but HerO had enough troops and force fields at the ready to hold off the attack. Having cut SCVs, delayed his medivacs, and fallen into an upgrade pit, SuperNoVa was forced to play from a position that was depressingly behind, and HerO ruthlessly built on his lead. Without HerO needing to launch a final attack, SuperNoVa eventually GG'd out after seeing his harassment stopped, the Protoss bases multiplying, and his forces getting stormed a million times.
Down two games on Atlantis Spaceship, SuperNoVa decided to go with one of his trademark two-base, bio-mech all-ins. This variant happened to be a thor-marine all-in, timed to hit when thors reached +2 armor. Although this timing meant he would hit after HerO had templars and storm, it would also be at a timing where templar mana would be at a premium, with HerO having to choose carefully between using storms on marines and SCVs, or using feedback on thors. HerO opted for the former route, and luckily for him, it wasn't the incorrect decision. The shield-only marines were quickly annihilated, and the SCVs soon followed.
For all of HerO's awareness and good use of storms, it may have been SuperNoVa's mistake that played the most crucial part in the fight. SuperNoVa forgot to turn on auto-repair until the tail end of the battle – and though his SCVs did happen to die very quickly to storm – the narrow margin of victory for HerO suggested that even with a few seconds of repair for SuperNoVa, the result could have been very different. With his critical mass of thors lost, and far behind on harvesters and tech, there was nothing more SuperNoVa could do after his one push, and he GG'd out to HerO's counter-attack.
In the first game on Cloud Kingdom, Squirtle went for yet another one of his two base colossus builds, something TaeJa had surely studied endlessly as he prepared for this match. Yet, like many Terran opponents before him, TaeJa fell to the attack that came with just a couple of colossi, despite having vikings, despite having bunkers, and despite it being the most predictable strat in the world. He was able to kill off the colossi, but he simply lost too many units in the process, GG'ing out to the flood of gateway units that followed up.
Punished by Squirtle's seemingly invincible strat in game one, TaeJa decidedly to just blindly made two vikings out of his first starport in game two. Had he been going for a different strategy, Squirtle might have smiled to himself about how he deeply he had gotten into his opponent's head, but Squirtle's decision to make a warp-prism meant that the vikings actually worked out somewhat well for TaeJa. However, 'somewhat well' for TaeJa only meant that he didn't die immediately to the huge blink stalker + warp prism attack that attacked his main. The vikings took care of the warp-prism, preventing from Squirtle from straight out ending the game with new warp-ins, but TaeJa was still forced to sacrifice over two dozen SCVs to fend off the attack. After that, it was smooth sailing for Squirtle, as he easily held off TaeJa's counter attack timing, teched to storm, and smashed through the front door to take a 2 – 0 lead.
The third and final game completed a very well-rounded performance from Squirtle, as he followed up the two previous meticulously planned, well executed timing attacks by winning a game where he had to think on his feet. Squirtle's one base, immortal + 4-gate push resulted in a base trade, which then developed into a strange reset scenario as both players started not-quite-from-scratch at new bases. Squirtle wasn't perfect in that unusual situation, even losing a very important colossus due to a lack of focus. However, his overall game plan was more sound that TaeJa's, as he decided to turtle up and go for templars while TaeJa was trying to gather troops to end the game quickly. Excellent force-fields from Squirtle allowed him to hold off a potentially dangerous MM attack, and once he had storms, he was able to raze his opponent's base (again).
After the games
HerO had a laundry list of players to thank after the game, perhaps indicative of the amount of practice put into his match. Curiously enough, he mentioned while he had wanted to practice with TaeJa (as they were playing the same match-up), things just didn't work out for that to happen. Though HerO initially left SlayerS_Eve off his list of shout-outs, the gathered journalists were able to coax a quick mention out of him after dogged harassment.
Squirtle offered a few tidbits on the “Squirtle Timing.” He mentioned that while most Terran players like to push out in the early-mid game to apply a bit of pressure and get a feel for what their opponent is doing, that was a suicidal move against the Squirtle Timing, with the correct response being to patiently turtle in one's base. He also suggested that Cloud Kingdom was a tough map to stop the timing on, with the terrain at the natural actually working against the Terran player. When asked if those comments were just a mind-game for the future, Squirtle only gave a wry smile.
Game of the Night: Squirtle vs TaeJa – Game Three
I was considering picking another game, but I remembered that not everyone bought MLG Spring Arena 1, and thus not everyone else was jaded to base-trade resets. Yeah, they're cool I guess, but they lose their novelty factor when coL.Heart initiates one for the third time in the same day. I swear, Heart's comfort in weird situations, and his willingness to take them on is a really underrated strength.
Oh right, Squirtle vs TaeJa. In this base-trade reset, both players were admirably decisive after the base-trade occurred. They might not have always made the right decisions, but they were always quick to act and never dawdled. Squirtle's choices and execution ended up being better in the end, but it was good to see TaeJa know that the only thing worse than a bad decision is indecision.
2012 Protoss Elections
Vote NaNiwa! by shiroiusagi.
Writers: Waxangel. Graphics and Art: Meko. Editor: Waxangel.
On May 04 2012 09:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote: lol 3 toss 1 terran XD
meanwhile, Blizzard says protoss is not doing very well at the top of the pro scene.
Blizzard needs to get their heads out of their you know whats and actually start watching some games. I mean, zerg scouting buff? Queen buff to deal with hellions? Where are they getting this crap? When was the last time you saw a competent zerg lose to hellions? such a joke
As far as TvP, those guys 3-0'd their terran opponents as well... crazy
On May 04 2012 10:45 ticklishmusic wrote: holy crap.
dammit hero, you broke my liquibet streak.
lol same here, was on a 10 win streak :-(
Wait... you mean you guys both bet against HerO?
I could have told you beforehand that that's not a good idea .
The way Supernova beat Genius.. You'd totaly expect him to beat HerO. But it's Supernova.. as soon as people think he's good again, he chocke. -______-
On May 04 2012 10:45 ticklishmusic wrote: holy crap.
dammit hero, you broke my liquibet streak.
lol same here, was on a 10 win streak :-(
Wait... you mean you guys both bet against HerO?
I could have told you beforehand that that's not a good idea .
The way Supernova beat Genius.. You'd totaly expect him to beat HerO. But it's Supernova.. as soon as people think he's good again, he chocke. -______-
it seemed reasonable. hero had sub 50% pvt, and supernova had over 60% tvp. statistically, it was his strongest MU and after he demolished genius, it seemed hero was screwed.
I Really hope HerO beats Squirtle but... is that even possible? Squirtle with 76% PvP, and its HerO's wost MU. Not to mention Squirtle is in a winning streak (11).
On May 04 2012 12:11 Kkxtrouble wrote: I Really hope HerO beats Squirtle but... is that even possible? Squirtle with 76% PvP, and its HerO's wost MU. Not to mention Squirtle is in a winning streak (11).
Squirtle will take this game and we will have PvP finals. I got a butt sense for this, somehow.
I didn't like MVP much before (not that I didn't, there was just no reason to), but I appreciate how he lets his skill do the talking. If he wins the whole thing, which seems unlikely, I think we can actually dub him the Starcraft Jesus (the Son of God).
On May 04 2012 12:11 Kkxtrouble wrote: I Really hope HerO beats Squirtle but... is that even possible? Squirtle with 76% PvP, and its HerO's wost MU. Not to mention Squirtle is in a winning streak (11).
Yeah I don't know, it will be extremely tough. I really hope he can pull if off, but if not I really like Squirtle anyway so I am happy regardless.
Been sooo long since we saw Protoss make it thisfar. Finally! After almost a year and a half a Toss just might take it....unless MVP continues the Terran tyranny.
Eh the writer made it seem like herO won by sheer luck, but it was one of the biggest stomps i've seen in a really long time, and it was in the round of 8. I knew from the first time i watched herOs stream he was the future of protoss. I'm looking for him to take this season of GSL if his nerves don't get to him on the big stage.
The failed 4gate wasn't even failed, he started snipping scvs the moment he saw there was two bunkers and a ton of SCVs waiting for him. He wasn't going to break it, and he wasn't going to try either, he sniped 9 scvs and lost like 5 zealots and a pylon. Not to mention supernova lost a ton of minning time. The +2 chargelot zealot transition was amazing supernova couldn't even drop because herO was always there. Supernovas tank bunker line + all the spread marines was insane! hero cleaned it up like it was nothing.
Then the writer goes on and trys to make it sound like blind vikings were a good idea. Sorry, but taeja just didn't play well, and squirtles 2 base collosus all-in wasn't nearly as impressive. Taejas crysis management needs a lot of work...
I'm rooting for herO to win against squirtle, hopefully his control prevails.
I'm really hoping MVP will take this but I don't think he can take on the power of parting with his current performance. I guess making it to this far means something. But if not I'll be cheering for hero! Go TL
On May 04 2012 12:11 Kkxtrouble wrote: I Really hope HerO beats Squirtle but... is that even possible? Squirtle with 76% PvP, and its HerO's wost MU. Not to mention Squirtle is in a winning streak (11).
Squirtle will take this game and we will have PvP finals. I got a butt sense for this, somehow.
and also Startale finals, there is justice in this world after all
+2 chargelots do scary damage. bunkers have 350 hp and 1 armor, but they're getting hit for 8+2-1 x2 = 18 damage per hit. (that's 15 dps, and with 5 chargelots, bunkers go down in about 5 blizzard seconds). never underestimate the power of upgrded protoss ground weapons versus unupgraded anything. its like how stalkers can be semi-cost efficiently traded against broods if you can get a blink under them.
good observation about hero picking off the scv's. that probably kept him at roughly equal eco there. however, i feel like it was taeja waiting WAY too long on two bases to get an army for a contain that cost him the game. if he had expanded again and then attacked, i feel like he definitely would have enough troops to win. dont understand why he didnt go for a single drop either... those are literally the best way to turn the tables on protoss.
On May 04 2012 13:00 ticklishmusic wrote: I actually really like every single player here.
I didn't like MVP much before (not that I didn't, there was just no reason to), but I appreciate how he lets his skill do the talking. If he wins the whole thing, which seems unlikely, I think we can actually dub him the Starcraft Jesus (the Son of God).
On May 04 2012 09:56 Pocky52 wrote: What is this whole SlayerS_Eve saga with HerO, I keep hearing small things, but don't know the details! Please enlighten me!
Congrats HerO!!! go all the way! Congrats to Squirtle too, but have to cheer for HerO this time, sorry gl anyways!
I would like to be enlightened too on this matters.
Really rooting got MVP because i don't like protoss player too much.
I don't see hero beating Squirtle... But that could be awesome to have a Hero vs MVP... Because Hero has some weird builds that could throw off MVP.. But don't think he could beat MVP. Still. Could be pretty good to watch.
On May 04 2012 18:00 HaXXspetten wrote: Impossible, MVP is older than Flash.
Hmmm.... Any of the 4 remaining semi-finalist making it would make a great champion story. I just hope MVP beats parting cause I can't stand a PvP finals...
The final defense have failed us, MarineKing have fallen. Lord Protoss, coming out from middle earth, have come to rule the world. Psi blade simply pierce through every single heart that they found. It was the beginning of the dark age. The sky is never bright and the water seems like contaminated forever. Life is so hard that suicide is best choice one can made.
When all the hope is lost, a "Flash" of light suddenly appear in the man darkest hour..
Congratz to HerO and Squirtle... we will probably have a PvP finals for the first time in the GSL...
and calm down flamers... we've already had four TvTs... Yes, four... the late game needs some working out, I think it' the Chargelot problem (with the addition of splash) that Terrans have no real answer to... but if you look at the state of things, there' also alot more Protoss players actually playing sensibly...
On May 04 2012 21:21 InoyouS2 wrote: HerO vs SuperNova and TaeJa vs Squirtle was so damn one-sided it was disgusting to watch :<.
The only non 3-0 in the Ro8 was Mvp vs NaNiwa.
Thats pretty much TvP for you, the Terran wins through some sort of goofy cheese or the Protoss making a huge mistake, or the Protoss just steamrolls the Terran around the 20 min mark
I love seeing times change... from the start when we had no protoss, only terran and a few zergs in GSL, to now, with Protoss dominating, Zergs main hope bearers being unsucsessfull, and terran looking somehow figured out.
btw, i'm sad for Taeja, but i've been a fan of squirtle since his first appearances, so GO SQUIRTLE!...
dont know who to root for in the semi finals though :/
On May 04 2012 21:21 InoyouS2 wrote: HerO vs SuperNova and TaeJa vs Squirtle was so damn one-sided it was disgusting to watch :<.
The only non 3-0 in the Ro8 was Mvp vs NaNiwa.
Thats pretty much TvP for you, the Terran wins through some sort of goofy cheese or the Protoss making a huge mistake, or the Protoss just steamrolls the Terran around the 20 min mark
Protoss players have gotten very greedy and Terrans have let them do it. Calling the Terran punishment for being consistently greedy for "goofy cheese" is looking at it the wrong way in my opinion.
At the same time I do feel that Terrans late game need some more uumph and I hope Blizzard buffs the Battle Cruiser. (And a buff to the Carrier to make it viable as well would be fun)
Anyway, if any race should get a buff it's probably zerg which currently just don't look good.
I really want a PvP finals! There has been plenty of T's in them. Time for something new If the finals are Hero vs Parting, I don't know who I'd choose! I'm huge fans of both This might be even more tough than Genius vs DRG!
Also, it's kinda cool that there is a chance of a Startale only finals! 2 Code S finals in a row with two guys on the same team.
I could really see MVP making the finals here and as for squirtle/hero it could go either way, they're both really strong players and I haven't actually seen a lot of squirtle's PvP, he has a high win rate in korea so he's got to be good, but I have seen hero's PvP and its really solid as well. The MVP/partiing match will be pretty cool though, I think that MVP plays a pretty cheesy 1/2 base allinish kind of style against protoss and in the past we've seen parting lose badly to this style (spring arena 1), partings major strength in pvt is in standard macro games, if MVP tries to play straight up with him I think he will get crushed but if he throws some strong allin's at parting I think he stands a pretty good chance.
Went the way I expected it to go. HerO and Squirtle has really impressed me lately, especially the latter.
From here on it'll be a bit hard to predict what will happen, though. I think that we'll see a PvP finals this time around, with Squirtle and Parting duking it out. Mvp, however, is really unpredictable. I didn't think that he would go this far with his wrist problems. It'll be very interesting to see if he can do anything about Parting's solid play.
And with that, all my interest in the rest of GSL vanished Man I wish we still had GomTvT rather than this nonsense and it won't get any better in HoTS.
On May 04 2012 19:16 Strawburry17 wrote: MVP is the Guardian of Terran in the era of Protoss empire and the true Emperor of Terran race.
Hwaiting MVP!
dude, you know there can be only one true emperor of Terran and that will never change, don't you? just you wait for the legend to be reborn once again hehe <3 formalities aside, since there are three pretty strong Protosses up against MVP, this makes me feel a bit weird
hope, it doesn't come down to PvP I. the finals, worst mirror by far... TvT is actually the best IMO
On May 04 2012 09:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote: lol 3 toss 1 terran XD
meanwhile, Blizzard says protoss is not doing very well at the top of the pro scene.
This is the first tournament Protoss have done really well. Im not saying they are not better, but atleast wait for one more big tournament domination from protoss before you dra any conclusions.
Edit: And dont give me the "protoss had 4 players in ro8 last season" Cause that was the only round with protoss domination. Out of every single round.
Would be really funny if a Progamer changed his name to Bulbasaur going up against Squirtle. Not only would his attacks be super effective, but this might be legitimately the only way Squirtle can be beaten right now.
All attempt at humor side, this is shaping up to be an exciting final!
On May 04 2012 09:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote: lol 3 toss 1 terran XD
meanwhile, Blizzard says protoss is not doing very well at the top of the pro scene.
Blizzard needs to get their heads out of their you know whats and actually start watching some games. I mean, zerg scouting buff? Queen buff to deal with hellions? Where are they getting this crap? When was the last time you saw a competent zerg lose to hellions? such a joke
As far as TvP, those guys 3-0'd their terran opponents as well... crazy
For your first question, that must be Liquid.Ret in that tournament at HomeStoryCup, maybe 2 days ago. For your second whine: MvP won with a damaged wrist vs Naniwa quite easy. How about Blizzard start buffing/nerfing after toss have won about 5 GSLs to bring the score to even with terran. How about stopping your tears until toss has even won once after one year?
On May 04 2012 09:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote: lol 3 toss 1 terran XD
meanwhile, Blizzard says protoss is not doing very well at the top of the pro scene.
Blizzard needs to get their heads out of their you know whats and actually start watching some games. I mean, zerg scouting buff? Queen buff to deal with hellions? Where are they getting this crap? When was the last time you saw a competent zerg lose to hellions? such a joke
As far as TvP, those guys 3-0'd their terran opponents as well... crazy
For your first question, that must be Liquid.Ret in that tournament at HomeStoryCup, maybe 2 days ago. For your second whine: MvP won with a damaged wrist vs Naniwa quite easy. How about Blizzard start buffing/nerfing after toss have won about 5 GSLs to bring the score to even with terran. How about stopping your tears until toss has even won once after one year?
Yeah lets factor in 2 year old GSL wins, good idea mate.
The current ro8 showed the TvP state really well. Where is the midgameadvantage that T supposebly has? Most of these games were lost in the midgame. Mvp, one of the best players in the world, wins against some foreigner only due to hidden proxyrax vs nexus firsts or when said foreigner decides, that it is a great idea to sacifice 3 and a half stalkers for no reason.
Hero too good. Kinda weird seing 3 toss and 1 terran lol.
Though HerO initially left SlayerS_Eve off his list of shout-outs, the gathered journalists were able to coax a quick mention out of him after dogged harassment.
On May 04 2012 19:16 Strawburry17 wrote: MVP is the Guardian of Terran in the era of Protoss empire and the true Emperor of Terran race.
Hwaiting MVP!
dude, you know there can be only one true emperor of Terran and that will never change, don't you? just you wait for the legend to be reborn once again hehe <3 formalities aside, since there are three pretty strong Protosses up against MVP, this makes me feel a bit weird
hope, it doesn't come down to PvP I. the finals, worst mirror by far... TvT is actually the best IMO
You mean, that boxer, the sc1 emperor, right?
dude, if you mean boxer is one true emperor of terran in brood war, you couldn't be more right but when it comes to sc2 you gotta admit those are totally different games in mechanism.
I mean i love boxer and his ownage in the past too, but in sc2, I think MVP succeed to the one mighty Boxer's imperial throne.
Squirtle all the way! I think he's playing much better than Hero is, and even better than Parting is overall. That being said, I would not mind Parting winning either.
A PartinG/Squirtle finals seems all but assured right now... which would put me in a weird situation; I've cheered my heart out for both of them from the get-go of this season's Code S, and it's been two very good choices this time around. Problem being that if they now both make the finals... I don't want either to lose, and I don't know who I like the most -.-
I mean, PartinG has a more inspirational playstyle, yet I kinda feel that it would be a bit sad if Squirtle would hop on the Kong line and get second place again after IPL. Whatever happens I hope the loser won't take it too hard, I want them both back in their highest throttle in next season's Code S.
On May 04 2012 09:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote: lol 3 toss 1 terran XD
meanwhile, Blizzard says protoss is not doing very well at the top of the pro scene.
Blizzard needs to get their heads out of their you know whats and actually start watching some games. I mean, zerg scouting buff? Queen buff to deal with hellions? Where are they getting this crap? When was the last time you saw a competent zerg lose to hellions? such a joke
As far as TvP, those guys 3-0'd their terran opponents as well... crazy
For your first question, that must be Liquid.Ret in that tournament at HomeStoryCup, maybe 2 days ago. For your second whine: MvP won with a damaged wrist vs Naniwa quite easy. How about Blizzard start buffing/nerfing after toss have won about 5 GSLs to bring the score to even with terran. How about stopping your tears until toss has even won once after one year?
Yeah lets factor in 2 year old GSL wins, good idea mate.
I am sure you would as well, if toss won everything that day. You had your days were terran looked imbalanced, now feel the toss feeling we had for 2 years.
On May 05 2012 05:19 Greenei wrote: The current ro8 showed the TvP state really well. Where is the midgameadvantage that T supposebly has? Most of these games were lost in the midgame. Mvp, one of the best players in the world, wins against some foreigner only due to hidden proxyrax vs nexus firsts or when said foreigner decides, that it is a great idea to sacifice 3 and a half stalkers for no reason.
MVP has lost alot of his heyday. I wonder: How can you dismiss terran wins, because they are in the past, but still be adamant that MVP ist still the king.
Face it: Most people rather see a PvP as finals as a TvT. We have had that enough, thank you.
On May 04 2012 09:52 GhandiEAGLE wrote: lol 3 toss 1 terran XD
meanwhile, Blizzard says protoss is not doing very well at the top of the pro scene.
Blizzard needs to get their heads out of their you know whats and actually start watching some games. I mean, zerg scouting buff? Queen buff to deal with hellions? Where are they getting this crap? When was the last time you saw a competent zerg lose to hellions? such a joke
As far as TvP, those guys 3-0'd their terran opponents as well... crazy
For your first question, that must be Liquid.Ret in that tournament at HomeStoryCup, maybe 2 days ago. For your second whine: MvP won with a damaged wrist vs Naniwa quite easy. How about Blizzard start buffing/nerfing after toss have won about 5 GSLs to bring the score to even with terran. How about stopping your tears until toss has even won once after one year?
Yeah lets factor in 2 year old GSL wins, good idea mate.
I am sure you would as well, if toss won everything that day. You had your days were terran looked imbalanced, now feel the toss feeling we had for 2 years.
On May 05 2012 05:19 Greenei wrote: The current ro8 showed the TvP state really well. Where is the midgameadvantage that T supposebly has? Most of these games were lost in the midgame. Mvp, one of the best players in the world, wins against some foreigner only due to hidden proxyrax vs nexus firsts or when said foreigner decides, that it is a great idea to sacifice 3 and a half stalkers for no reason.
MVP has lost alot of his heyday. I wonder: How can you dismiss terran wins, because they are in the past, but still be adamant that MVP ist still the king.
Face it: Most people rather see a PvP as finals as a TvT. We have had that enough, thank you.
No it's just bullcrap to factor in games that were played with completly different patches/metagame to determine todays balance. Also you didn't "feel" anything, thats just wrong. About 1 year ago toss had 60% winrate on ladder vs terran. Which means YOU didn't feel anything.
I'm not saying he's the best terran in the world but he's the last terran in GSL Ro4 which means, that he is still one of the best players in the world.
Face it: What the community wants for a GSLfinal is not a good indicator of how the game should be balanced. Also no most people in fact don't enjoy PvP.
On May 05 2012 19:06 HaXXspetten wrote: A PartinG/Squirtle finals seems all but assured right now... which would put me in a weird situation; I've cheered my heart out for both of them from the get-go of this season's Code S, and it's been two very good choices this time around. Problem being that if they now both make the finals... I don't want either to lose, and I don't know who I like the most -.-
I mean, PartinG has a more inspirational playstyle, yet I kinda feel that it would be a bit sad if Squirtle would hop on the Kong line and get second place again after IPL. Whatever happens I hope the loser won't take it too hard, I want them both back in their highest throttle in next season's Code S.
yeah i think people are getting a little ahead of themselves, one tournament results doesnt really mean all that much, yeah protoss are dominating in this one gsl that doesnt mean terran is "figured out" or that protoss is OP, it just means that there are alot of really good protoss and this season they are flexin a bit. Lets wait a little before calling anything OP. I mean i swear some people will watch one game and say that whoever won was clearly OP, these things happen its a crapshoot out there with all thes players being so highly skilled. Also i am one who believes that its the skill of the player that makes a champ not the game balance. ...ps GO SQUIRTLE PROTOSS CHAMP wutwut
On May 06 2012 01:55 MrF wrote: yeah i think people are getting a little ahead of themselves, one tournament results doesnt really mean all that much, yeah protoss are dominating in this one gsl that doesnt mean terran is "figured out" or that protoss is OP, it just means that there are alot of really good protoss and this season they are flexin a bit. Lets wait a little before calling anything OP. I mean i swear some people will watch one game and say that whoever won was clearly OP, these things happen its a crapshoot out there with all thes players being so highly skilled. Also i am one who believes that its the skill of the player that makes a champ not the game balance. ...ps GO SQUIRTLE PROTOSS CHAMP wutwut
Agreed. It's going in waves. Last season zerg was the dominating race. The season before that terran. It all evens out.
as much as I want HerO to be the champion, chances are looking slim for him. PartinG is the sure winner vs Mvp and Squirtle PvP is no walkover. Startale final? last season had a MvP final, this could be the trend.
On May 05 2012 19:06 HaXXspetten wrote: A PartinG/Squirtle finals seems all but assured right now... which would put me in a weird situation; I've cheered my heart out for both of them from the get-go of this season's Code S, and it's been two very good choices this time around. Problem being that if they now both make the finals... I don't want either to lose, and I don't know who I like the most -.-
I mean, PartinG has a more inspirational playstyle, yet I kinda feel that it would be a bit sad if Squirtle would hop on the Kong line and get second place again after IPL. Whatever happens I hope the loser won't take it too hard, I want them both back in their highest throttle in next season's Code S.
Why? It's fricking PartinGvT we're talking about, and it's Mvp's worst matchup, plus that he's injured. After convincingly beating Polt/ForGG/TheStC/MarineKing, I have a hard time seeing Mvp be a threat. Ok sure, he might take a game off of him the same way he did against NaNi, but PartinG plays way safer than NaNi does, not to mention that he'll be prepared for it after watching the Mvp/NaNi VOD's... and once it gets to the late game, Mvp won't stand a chance.
I'm sorry all you Terran fans, but I see very little hope for Mvp here. Then again, he's the most accomplished SC2 player thus far, so you can never count him out... but I don't think that will matter this time around.
On May 05 2012 19:06 HaXXspetten wrote: A PartinG/Squirtle finals seems all but assured right now... which would put me in a weird situation; I've cheered my heart out for both of them from the get-go of this season's Code S, and it's been two very good choices this time around. Problem being that if they now both make the finals... I don't want either to lose, and I don't know who I like the most -.-
I mean, PartinG has a more inspirational playstyle, yet I kinda feel that it would be a bit sad if Squirtle would hop on the Kong line and get second place again after IPL. Whatever happens I hope the loser won't take it too hard, I want them both back in their highest throttle in next season's Code S.
Why? It's fricking PartinGvT we're talking about, and it's Mvp's worst matchup, plus that he's injured. After convincingly beating Polt/ForGG/TheStC/MarineKing, I have a hard time seeing Mvp be a threat. Ok sure, he might take a game off of him the same way he did against NaNi, but PartinG plays way safer than NaNi does, not to mention that he'll be prepared for it after watching the Mvp/NaNi VOD's... and once it gets to the late game, Mvp won't stand a chance.
I'm sorry all you Terran fans, but I see very little hope for Mvp here. Then again, he's the most accomplished SC2 player thus far, so you can never count him out... but I don't think that will matter this time around.
A champion can never be ruled out. I know your analysis is very objective, and I ag ree with every single one of your points.
But a champ's a champ. He's got the heart of a winner, and that can take you really far in any competitive discipline!!
On May 05 2012 19:06 HaXXspetten wrote: A PartinG/Squirtle finals seems all but assured right now... which would put me in a weird situation; I've cheered my heart out for both of them from the get-go of this season's Code S, and it's been two very good choices this time around. Problem being that if they now both make the finals... I don't want either to lose, and I don't know who I like the most -.-
I mean, PartinG has a more inspirational playstyle, yet I kinda feel that it would be a bit sad if Squirtle would hop on the Kong line and get second place again after IPL. Whatever happens I hope the loser won't take it too hard, I want them both back in their highest throttle in next season's Code S.
Why? It's fricking PartinGvT we're talking about, and it's Mvp's worst matchup, plus that he's injured. After convincingly beating Polt/ForGG/TheStC/MarineKing, I have a hard time seeing Mvp be a threat. Ok sure, he might take a game off of him the same way he did against NaNi, but PartinG plays way safer than NaNi does, not to mention that he'll be prepared for it after watching the Mvp/NaNi VOD's... and once it gets to the late game, Mvp won't stand a chance.
I'm sorry all you Terran fans, but I see very little hope for Mvp here. Then again, he's the most accomplished SC2 player thus far, so you can never count him out... but I don't think that will matter this time around.
A champion can never be ruled out. I know your analysis is very objective, and I ag ree with every single one of your points.
But a champ's a champ. He's got the heart of a winner, and that can take you really far in any competitive discipline!!
Go MVP!! Don't rule him out like that
I never "ruled him out", just saying that he's a huge underdog this time around.
I know HerO is bad at PvP, I know that MVP is injured and fighting a PvT specialist but I will be very very very glad seeing a HerO versus MVP finals with HerO getting the crown...
i would'a loved to see mvp vs. parting in the finals... but i guess i'm indifferent between either of them. however i hope that hero makes it to his first gsl finals!
On May 05 2012 19:06 HaXXspetten wrote: A PartinG/Squirtle finals seems all but assured right now... which would put me in a weird situation; I've cheered my heart out for both of them from the get-go of this season's Code S, and it's been two very good choices this time around. Problem being that if they now both make the finals... I don't want either to lose, and I don't know who I like the most -.-
I mean, PartinG has a more inspirational playstyle, yet I kinda feel that it would be a bit sad if Squirtle would hop on the Kong line and get second place again after IPL. Whatever happens I hope the loser won't take it too hard, I want them both back in their highest throttle in next season's Code S.
Why? It's fricking PartinGvT we're talking about, and it's Mvp's worst matchup, plus that he's injured. After convincingly beating Polt/ForGG/TheStC/MarineKing, I have a hard time seeing Mvp be a threat. Ok sure, he might take a game off of him the same way he did against NaNi, but PartinG plays way safer than NaNi does, not to mention that he'll be prepared for it after watching the Mvp/NaNi VOD's... and once it gets to the late game, Mvp won't stand a chance.
I'm sorry all you Terran fans, but I see very little hope for Mvp here. Then again, he's the most accomplished SC2 player thus far, so you can never count him out... but I don't think that will matter this time around.
well actually, according to the offical GSL record archive, your wrong.
On May 07 2012 22:36 Strawburry17 wrote: When it comes to, just "Set win ratio", MVP's vs zerg : 65%, vs terran : 65%, vs protoss : 67.4%(31win 15 lose)
Maybe my math are really gone but 31win 15 lose = 67.4% ???
On May 07 2012 22:36 Strawburry17 wrote: When it comes to, just "Set win ratio", MVP's vs zerg : 65%, vs terran : 65%, vs protoss : 67.4%(31win 15 lose)
Maybe my math are really gone but 31win 15 lose = 67.4% ???
100-((15/31)*100) = 51% and something. No ?
No. 31+15 = 46 games. 31 wins out of 46 games is: 31/46 = 0,6739 or 67,39%
On May 04 2012 13:00 ticklishmusic wrote: I actually really like every single player here.
I didn't like MVP much before (not that I didn't, there was just no reason to), but I appreciate how he lets his skill do the talking. If he wins the whole thing, which seems unlikely, I think we can actually dub him the Starcraft Jesus (the Son of God).
On May 04 2012 13:00 ticklishmusic wrote: I actually really like every single player here.
I didn't like MVP much before (not that I didn't, there was just no reason to), but I appreciate how he lets his skill do the talking. If he wins the whole thing, which seems unlikely, I think we can actually dub him the Starcraft Jesus (the Son of God).