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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 03 2011 16:19 GMT
#21
How was Ensnare/Revival not the worst? It was 44 minutes of two guys trying to lose, but each one screwing up and letting the other guy screw up instead.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
June 03 2011 16:24 GMT
#22
On June 04 2011 01:10 Vorlik wrote:
I don't see how Ensnare vs Revival game 2 wasn't the worst. Bomber vs Killer was far better than that game. I hope for whoever doesn't have time to watch all the games looks at the LR threads' polls instead of these. I realize theres tons of games so in-depth analysis is unrealistic, but I don't see a point to half-assed ones either. Just a rating would suffice for those(which was done for some). "hint:ensnare sucks at starcraft" isn't exactly helpful. Thanks anyways.

Haha. I guess some games are so bad that they are good, yet others are so bad that no one is sure whether or not they are worth watching at all. Kinda reminds me of Inca vs Rain.

Scrappy matches that turn into near or actual base-trades tend to be quite intense to watch live, but usually the level of play is just horrendous as players squander entire leads due to terrible decisions during these very confusing matches. However, I guess there is some entertainment in watching such circus acts.

Also, it seems that the use of nukes, motherships, storms, and other flashy things tends to make the longer, "macro" matches seem "interesting" to some people despite the usually terribly low level of play from these overly-passive game.
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 03 2011 16:25 GMT
#23
On June 04 2011 01:07 Advocado wrote:
Cezanne and nestea appears twice in group c and d?

And sC v hyperdub went unmentioned.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
June 03 2011 16:26 GMT
#24
amazing read! i agree on the bracket bit, which is completely of haha. Nestea vs bomber r32, 'MC vs Alicia R64.... madness.

also lol at the ensare vs revival comments made me rofl.
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Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
June 03 2011 16:27 GMT
#25
Group B, Ace is Terran on the first round, Protoss on the second round against MKP
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Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
June 03 2011 16:29 GMT
#26
Nice review, haven't seen all matches , so was kinda cool read through. However it seems like you demand them to put manually and not randomly groups, so matches and specially finals will look more exited, after watching last GSL finals i can't say everything is ok, but neither should they "artificially" create a final between Nestea vs MvP or some other exited players. I think its more of a game problem, as many professional players mentioned, the game is just too volatile,the "best" player not always will win.

I think everyone trying to hard to rush things , we going the right way, if in 4 months or so we will watch the games of the same quality and nothing will improve, thats when we start seriously looking at cause, but right now, watching 4 months behind and first seasons of GSL, i think the difference its pretty large, even that is not too huge.
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Juicebox
Profile Joined January 2011
United States13 Posts
June 03 2011 16:31 GMT
#27
Sooooooo many Terrans.. Good thing I like TvTs : )
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:39:01
June 03 2011 16:35 GMT
#28
I can do without the siege tank whine in this article as it comes off as very very ignorant. Even a layman of SC2 can tell you positioning with siege tanks is pretty key, and not just the E key (this sentence in this article is downright silly and laughable).

Also I have no clue how enSnare and Revival was not the worst game. It was so bad the observer had to stop the game. The only reason I guess it wasn't mentioned was because the author wanted to whine about siege tanks more later in the article.

Good, if not a bit obvious, points about the brackets, what on earth is Alicia and MC doing in the round of 64?
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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
June 03 2011 16:36 GMT
#29
When in doubt, Press 'E'!
NotCptKirk
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:25:02
June 03 2011 16:38 GMT
#30
On June 04 2011 01:07 Advocado wrote:
Cezanne and nestea appears twice in group c and d?


Well, if it's Nestea, it shouldn't surprise you, he is just that good

Too bad that only 1 foreigner remains
BuffaloSoljah
Profile Joined March 2011
United States31 Posts
June 03 2011 16:46 GMT
#31
this guy isn't looking ahead if he thinks ganzi mvp or nestea bomber are the most epic games we will witness in the super tournement lets look at a couple games that could happen in the future
Ro 8 MMA vs Ryung (imagine the mind games in that in house TvT) hype: battle for #1 slayers terren
Ro 8 Sc vs Alicia (nerd chills already)
Ro 8 Nada vs Nestea ( genius terren vs genius zerg sound interesting to u?)
how bout these semis MMA vs MKP (that good enuff for ur TvT fix sir?)
or how bout the possibility of a Sc v Nestea rematch in the round of 4 again u ganna miss that game cuz MVP got knocked out early...? i dont think so!
and the possibilities of epic finals are countless imagine Nada vs MMA hype sounds reminiscent of a boxer v nada game in BW to me any finals with nestea would be epic giving the "God of zerg" a chance of a repeat title and the 1st Sc2 player to receive the title of first bonjwa

all im saying is u should back up n look at the big picture their is still alot of big games left in the super tourney n tbh "IF" we "DO" see an Sc v Nestea rematch im sure this article u wrote will be void almost instantly no matter what else happens
headbus
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada173 Posts
June 03 2011 16:46 GMT
#32
This article is just full of whine. Could've done without it.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:48:08
June 03 2011 16:47 GMT
#33
hahaha. y'all don't get sarcasm much, do you? the tank stuff is intended jokingly

Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:00:35
June 03 2011 16:55 GMT
#34
On June 04 2011 01:35 Medrea wrote:
I can do without the siege tank whine in this article as it comes off as very very ignorant. Even a layman of SC2 can tell you positioning with siege tanks is pretty key, and not just the E key (this sentence in this article is downright silly and laughable).

Also I have no clue how enSnare and Revival was not the worst game. It was so bad the observer had to stop the game. The only reason I guess it wasn't mentioned was because the author wanted to whine about siege tanks more later in the article.

Good, if not a bit obvious, points about the brackets, what on earth is Alicia and MC doing in the round of 64?


I guess you don't get a joke when you see one. The siege tank stuff was extremely funny and a testament to all the completely regarded "let's run into a siege line and lose our army play" that we see constantly.


On June 04 2011 01:29 Greem wrote:
Nice review, haven't seen all matches , so was kinda cool read through. However it seems like you demand them to put manually and not randomly groups, so matches and specially finals will look more exited, after watching last GSL finals i can't say everything is ok, but neither should they "artificially" create a final between Nestea vs MvP or some other exited players. I think its more of a game problem, as many professional players mentioned, the game is just too volatile,the "best" player not always will win.


You seem to have completely missed the point of the article. He is saying there are players out there in korea that constantly show us good, high level of play. The reason Code S isn't showing this is because it favours players already in code S so heavily that it takes a real long time for these good players to finally get into a position to compete within Code S even though they are far better than the current competition.

It's the rigid structure allowing weak players to sit in there for an exceedingly long time. He's not saying artificially make create a good final. He's saying allow the actual good players to be at the top.

Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 03 2011 17:15 GMT
#35
I don't understand how there's so much discussion over who "belongs" in code S. As long as players keep winning, they're going to get there and replace players who aren't winning in code S. Those who can consistently beat the best in Korea deserve to be counted among the best in Korea, even if they do it through cheese (see Rain).

That said, the GSL point system gives almost no credit to code A, so using pure points to seed players is stupid. Not exactly sure how the bracket was created, but it clearly can be done better, even if that means sacrificing some of the mathematical precision.
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Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:23:13
June 03 2011 17:15 GMT
#36
To be fair, i think the Bomber vs Killer game was just a massive troll by Bomber. When he crushed Killer's counter attack he had the game basically won. He had more mining bases and more production.

As for that "possible moment Bomber could've thrown the game at 40 min" He had all the economy in the world with enough mules that were worth 100 scvs, while his opponent was mining on a single base with like 15 probes. He overstimmed on purpose, come on... He even put all his stuff in a vortex with some archons and high templars laying around just taunting Killer to crush it so He could instantly remake full health marauders with his like 25 barracks.

I just feel like Bomber had it completelly under control after the 20 min battle, and was just trollin.



I also feel like Nestea's ratings are unfair ;> In game 1 and 3 any other zerg would've gotten a 5, but since it's Nestea you expect him to be able to do something like that.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:25:07
June 03 2011 17:22 GMT
#37
I agree that GSL could find a seed system to avoid some Nestea Bomber or Alicia MC situations, and at the same time including rising talents like DRG in the system faster.
But to elaborate such a system without any arbitrary decision involved is extremely hard. In fact, I'm not even sure it is possible.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 03 2011 17:26 GMT
#38
On June 04 2011 02:22 MrCon wrote:
I agree that GSL could find a seed system to avoid some Nestea Bomber or Alicia MC situations, and at the same time including rising talents like DRG in the system faster.
But to elaborate such a system with any arbitrary decision involved is extremely hard. In fact, I'm not even sure it is possible.

They can use the math to find the best x number of players, then seed them using the numbers and their knowledge of the players' trends.

Kinda like the NCAA tournament, where points rankings are the RPI/AP ranks (yeah, I know, sorry about the sports analogy).
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elsemyano
Profile Joined February 2011
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 18:43:57
June 03 2011 17:27 GMT
#39
On June 04 2011 01:10 Vorlik wrote:
I don't see how Ensnare vs Revival game 2 wasn't the worst. Bomber vs Killer was far better than that game. I hope for whoever doesn't have time to watch all the games looks at the LR threads' polls instead of these. I realize theres tons of games so in-depth analysis is unrealistic, but I don't see a point to half-assed ones either. Just a rating would suffice for those(which was done for some). "hint:ensnare sucks at starcraft" isn't exactly helpful. Thanks anyways.


I agree. I couldn't watch all of the matches, but the descriptions of the ones I did see aren't entirely accurate. Game 3 of Huk vs San wasn't San seeing a 4gate and thinking he could hold it with DT's (come on...). It was Huk doing the same exact opening he did in game 2, feinting either blink or DT's again, and San responding with his own dark shrine. After denying further scouting, Huk caught San off guard with his 4gate and won. Deserves more than a 0/5 IMO...
tw!tch
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States563 Posts
June 03 2011 17:27 GMT
#40
I agree with so much of this thread, I wasn't a big fan of the games either. I DID like the HOTS interviews in the RO32 to break up the monotony. Maybe GOM is aware the seeds were so silly.
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