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[GSL] Super Tournament RO64

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June 3rd, 2011 15:21 GMT

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GSL Super Tournament on Liquipedia


GSL Super Tournament - RO64
By b_unnies, confusedcrib, Divinek, TreeHugger, and WaxAngel


Table of contents
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Results and Reviews

Game of the Week

Strategy of the Week

Concluding the RO64:
It's the Seeding, Stupid!



Hello, welcome to the GSL Super Tournament, and TL's reorganized GSL coverage. To manage the high volume of games caused by the Super Tournament's broadcast schedule, we're changing to a more article based coverage system instead of writing in depth reports on every single game. We'll still have spoiler-free short recaps and ratings of the games for your VOD viewing needs, and the stand out games of the week will receive lengthier reports.

This week we take a look at an early candidate for worst game of the tournament, introduce the new segment "Strategy of the Week," and think about why the RO64 matches ended up being so lackluster.

And for the love of god GomTV, please give us at least a day's rest between the RO64 and RO32.






Results and Ratings


Brackets
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  • A
  • B
  • C
  • D

Group A
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(T)IMMvp vs (P)Creator.Prime

Game One: Xel'Naga Fortress -
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1.5/5
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MVP > CreatorA pretty standard FE and macro up game, abruptly cut short when MVP killed off Creator with an attack before psionic storm research completed.

MVP:
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3.5/5
Good timing to hit before storm, but he didn't really have to work that hard.
Creator:
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1/5
Dying to attack move 15 mins into the game?

Game Two: Crevasse -
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4/5
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Creator > MVP
Huge slugfest on Crevasse, with MVP giving up a rare loss in a long macro game.

MVP:
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3.5/5
Solid.
Creator:
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4/5
More solid.

Game Three: Tal'Darim Altar -
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1.5/5
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MVP > Creator
Almost broke the "so bad it's good" threshhold.

Though he took a early-mid game lead with a strong marine-tank push, MVP did his best to try and lose the game through sloppy play. Fortunately for MVP, Creator also made his fair share of mistakes.

MVP:
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3/5
Sloppy.
Creator:
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2/5
Sloppier.



(T)Slayers_GanZi vs (T)ButterflyEffect

Game One: Crossfire SE -
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2.5/5
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Ganzi > ButterflyEffect
Marine hellion rush into proxy starport into 1/1/1 all-in for Ganzi, fast expand for ButterflyEffect. ButterflyEffect had no idea how to defend. The game gets an extra half-star because I enjoy watching SCVs die.

GanZi:
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3.5/5
Pretty good micro, though ButterflyEffect's defense was pretty poor.

ButterflyEffect:
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1.5/5
Totally caught off guard. Forgot that fast expanding is a privilege, not a right.

Game Two: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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1/5
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Ganzi > ButterflyEffect
After mutual FEs, ButterflyEffect tried some ineffective cloak banshee harass. Then he died to a marine-tank push, because he didn't have any units.

GanZi:
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3.5/5
Defended against banshees, attack moved, won.

ButterflyEffect:
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1/5
Didn't do anything with banshees, made no units, lost.

Game Three: Tal'Darim Altar -
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3.5/5
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GanZi won 2-0.


(Z)CheckPrime vs (T)oGsSuperNova

Game One: Crevasse -
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1/5
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SuperNova > Check
Check 6 pooled, SuperNova defended against it with SCVs and marines.

Check:
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2/5
6 pool.

SuperNova:
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3/5
Defended a 6 pool.

Game Two: Terminus SE -
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2/5
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SuperNova > Check
Check went for standard 3 base doubleling, while SuperNova followed his FE with a powerful 4rax 2fact push timing (sans medivacs). Check attempted to defend against the push by rolling his banelings into a concave of maximum siege tank damage and died promptly.

Check:
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1.5/5
It's questionable if he could have found a WORSE position to engage in.

SuperNova:
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3/5
It's kind of convenient for Terrans that they can place their tanks well, and just wait for their opponents to make a mistake.

Game Three: Metalopolis -
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3/5
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SuperNova won 2-0.


(T)SlayerS_MMA vs (T)FOXLyn

Game One: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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3/5
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MMA > Lyn
After a close two base vs two base build up, the game rapidly turned in MMA's favor after Lyn tried to win a battle without using siege mode. MMA would always be ahead in expansions and army after that point, rolling slowly but safely to a victory.

MMA:
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3.5/5
Chose the correct battles, expanded at the right times, and just managed the game really well on the whole.

Lyn:
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2.5/5
Seemed like he was an even match for MMA, but he lost the first crucial battle. He thought his un-sieged tanks could clear out MMA's sieged tanks quickly enough, but he miscalculated their relative damage outputs.

Game Two: Terminus SE -
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2.5/5
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Lyn > MMA
Lyn went for a fast expansion while MMA got a slower expansions after some hellion and banshee harass. MMA was very active in harassing and pressuring Lyn, but couldn't cause any significant harm. Lyn just weathered the storm, and won with the vaunted "more stuff" strategy when his better economy paid off.

MMA:
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2.5/5
He may have been overaggressive, but it's understandable that he chose to try and do damage instead of playing the economic catch-up game.

Lyn:
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3.5/5
Good composure and patience on defense, combined with smart utilization of superior numbers on offense.

Game Three: Xel'Naga Fortress -
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3/5
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MMA > Lyn
The final game of the series played out like a mixture of the previous two. MMA went for a fast expansion, while Lyn pressured with 1/1/1. Lyn's pressure did enough to bring the two Terrans to a roughly even situation from which they macroed up. Once more, Lyn overestimated unsieged tank firepower in a critical battle, and ended up losing the engagement. Again, this cost Lyn the game.

MMA:
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3/5
Siege tanks, wait for opponent to make a mistake. Even works against other Terrans!

Lyn:
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2/5
Excellent 1/1/1 pressure, but another incorrect decision to engage in tank mode.


(P)oGsInCa vs (T)SlayerS_Ryung

Game One: Crevasse -
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1.5/5
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Ryung > Inca
After the usual Crevasse FE open, Inca hid two stargates away on the map and started massing voidrays. The investment in void rays meant InCa lacked the ground troops to fend off Ryung's drop tactics, but at the same time he was afraid of revealing his void rays too early in defense. This led to Ryung's rather minor drops doing tons of damage while Inca kept massing more voids. This led to a situation where Inca was practically all-in when he finally attacked with his voids, as his economy had taken extreme damage from the drops. Inca had 10 or so voidrays when he attacked, but even so, Ryung had enough marines to defend himself and collect the GG.

Inca:
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2/5
In retrospect, he should have showed his hand instead of letting himself lose to what was pretty much just two dropships and 16 marines.

Ryung:
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3.5/5
Didn't have to do much, but can't really blame him for that.

Game Two: Tal'Darim Altar -
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0.5/5
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Ryung > Inca
Inca went 16 nexus, Ryung went 4 barracks all-in.

Inca:
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1.5/5
Even for having lost the build order fight, his defense was pretty mediocre.

Ryung:
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3.5/5
Took his win.

Game Three: Dual Sight -
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2.5/5
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Ryung won 2-0.


(Z)JookTo vs. (P)anypro

Game One: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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4/5
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jookTo > Anypro
Anypro plays a really 2 base all in oriented PvZ. JookTo played out this game extremely well. He began upgrading melee attack extremely early so his zerglings could go to work in combination with his roaches. As Anypro moves out with his typical 6 gate one robo attack, jookTo counter attacks and picks off Anypro's natural, forcing Anypro to attack, JookTo uses mass spine crawlers to defend before using his superior economy to transition to muta/ing with his leftover roaches to crush Anypro's army and win the game.

AnyPro:
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2/5
JookTo:
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4/5

Game Two: Terminus RE -
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3/5
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Anypro > JookTo
Anypro forge fast expands and JookTo goes for a baneling/roach bust. The bust doesn't work and Anypro follows up with two stargates, so that JookTo has no chance of getting back into the game due to phoenix harass. Anypro gets a mothership and about 12 gateways for fun before finishing JookTo off.

Anypro:
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3/5
JookTo:
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3/5

Game Three: Bel'Shir Beach
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4/5

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JookTo > Anypro
Anypro hates third bases almost as much as jookTo does. Anypro goes for his typical huge warpgate two base attack and jookTo barely manages to hold it, despite losing his third base in the process. The game then goes back and forth with colossus stalker against baneling roach. jookTo uses some great positioning play to keep on forcing Anypro to lose bases and pull back with his army. The game ends in a pretty epic base trade, with Anypro protecting his last assimilator while trying to be aggressive at the same time.

Anypro:
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3/5
jookTo:
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4/5



(T)Rain vs. (T)Keen

Game One: Terminus RE
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5/5
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Keen > Rain

Maybe it was the fact that I had just watched 3 back to back TvT's of standard, drawn out, marine tank. Maybe it was the fact that one of my favorite songs popped up on Pandora. Or maybe, it was the fact that Keen's opening was one of the most innovative I've seen in recent memory.

Keen gets his second gas before factory, and opens cloak banshee. The extra gas has allowed him to get a fast reactor on his barracks as well as get a tech lab on his factory to get very fast siege tanks. Then, using cloak banshees combined with a fast siege mode, he can pretty well guarantee his immediate safety, and do something even more unique.

Usually in TvT, after you expand you use a mineral build up to throw down more barracks for the standard marine tank action. Keen uses that mineral build up to get a very fast third. The fast reactor on the barracks allows for a marine build up so the barracks spam isn't as immediately essential.

The opening was really cool, and then to make it even better, Rain decided to do the "new" meching style TvT, which was very fun to watch micro against marine tank. Rain also forgot siege mode, but other than that, it was really fun to watch.

Keen
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4.5/5 (due to some pretty average banshee micro)
Rain
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3/5 (due to forgetting siege mode)

Game Two: Xel'Naga Caverns
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5/5
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Keen > Rain
This game was incredibly fun to watch, and Keen plays a beastly TvT. Rain made a great read early on, seeing Keen's high barracks count and deciding to go pure marine instead of marine marauder; however, I think he really didn't expect the tank transition to come out as fast as it did. The rest of the game was just your "standard" marine tank positioning wars, but this one was done beautifully, with Keen just making some unbelievably great decisions, leaving Rain playing catchup

Rain
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4/5
Keen
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5/5

Game Three: Bel'Shir Beach
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2/5
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Keen 2:0 Rain


(Z)viOlet vs (Z)TheWinD

Game One : Metalopolis
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Violet > TheWind

Game Two : Xel'Naga Caverns
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Violet > TheWind

Game Three : Dual Sight
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Violet Won 2-0



Group B
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(P)Trickster vs. (Z)YuGiOh

Game One: Xel Naga Caverns -
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5/5
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Trickster > YuGIOh
MOTHERSHIP RUSH! :O Tester even holds a big zergling hydralisk attack with it. The mutalisks sent in afterwards are forced to pull out of the mineral line...by the mothership. Not something you see everyday. The mothership + 5 warpgate push is able to win the game, fantastic.

Game Two: Crossfire -
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5/5
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Trickster > YuGIOh
Trickster does a dark templar expand, but is really smart about how he plays it, keeping the DTs alive despite YuGiOh's detection. YuGiOh, after seeing the dark templar, tries to do a similar attack to what Nestea did against Inca last season, but YuGiOh's is much less refined and practiced. Trickster is able to hold and then is way ahead.

Player Ratings
Trickster
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5/5
Trickster did some amazing, edge of your seat micro that is a must see for protoss players.

YuGiOh
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2/5
Just not at the same level.

Game Three: Dual Sight -
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1.5/5
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Trickster won 2-0.


(T)TheBest vs. (T)Jjun

Game One: Terminus SE -
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2/5
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TheBest > JJUN
JJUN gets TheBest contained, and is somehow surprised when a big drop hits the back of his base. Why is it not obvious at this point that when you are containing someone they will try and drop you? The drop combined with a counter attack initiate a base trade that The Best manages to come out on top of.

Game Two: Bel'Shir Beach -
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2/5
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TheBest > JJUN
JJUN pushes out with a big marine tank force and almost wins the game, but is barely held off. Then he attacks into a million siege tanks and loses everything, including the game. JJUN is the master of throwing away leads.

Player Ratings
JJUN
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2/5
Pretty bad.

TheBest
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2/5
Slightly less bad.

Game Three: Metalopolis -
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4/5
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TheBest won 2-0.


(P)Genius vs. (T)Boxer

Game One: Dual Site -
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4/5
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Genius > Boxer

Despite Boxer doing a very cool opening, he didn't really achieve much. Boxer opened with a 1 rax fast expand but turtled inside his main temporarily in order to get a very fast +1 attack and medivacs for small marine medivac attack. The attack is thwarted and both players set up for a standard macro game.

Genius went for a gateway style opening into robo and Boxer was able to transition between ghosts and vikings at the relatively correct time. The big issue was that Genius was able to continuously pick off Boxer's third due to Boxer's apprehension in engaging. Genius was at some points up 2 bases over Boxer and was able to just out macro him.

Boxer:
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3/5
Genius:
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4/5

Game Two: Crevasse
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4/5
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Boxer > Genius

Both players follow the same tech paths as before, fast starport into ghosts for Boxer and fast Hightemplar into colossus for Genius. Boxer is able to flex his drop muscles much more this game, picking apart Genius's tech and army. Great multi pronged attacks allow for Boxer to always be ahead in economy and force Genius to be out of position for engagements.

Boxer:
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4/5
Genius:
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3/5

Game Three: Terminus RE
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3/5
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Genius > Boxer

Genius goes for a very unique +2 armor chargelot timing just as Boxer has floated away two medivacs worth of marines. A critical miss click on repairing his bunkers combined with the unlucky timing of the drop means that Boxer loses the series.

Genius:
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3/5
Boxer:
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3/5


(Z)July vs. (Z)Min

Game One: Crevasse -
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3/5
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Min > July
Despite scouting at the correct time, July actually misses spotting Min's Spire and loses a lot to mutalisks as a result. Min knows that July will be trying to re-drone after his losses and tries to hit a big timing attack, but July manages to dissuade him with a high roach/hydra count. July is forced to push out due to how far behind he is in his third base timing. Min's spine crawlers force July to engage in a weird position giving Min a good concave and the victory.

Game Two: Terminus SE -
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3/5
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July > Min
July goes for a big speedling baneling attack and Min tries to hold it with pure ling. July is able to come out on top of the micro war and wins after getting some huge baneling hits off.

Game Three: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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3/5
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Min > July
This game was actually really weird but definitely showed that Min deserved the win. By the end of the match, Min was up double the drones of July and had the same number of units. Min subtly produced drones at some great timings, while keeping July on the back foot all the while - not something easy to do.

July
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2/5

Min
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4/5


(P)HongUnPrime vs. (Z)FOXMoon

Game One: Metalopolis -
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3/5
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HongUn > Moon
HongUn executes the standard 6 gate, +1 attack, blink timing attack. Moon's roach burrow is delayed and even when it completes he doesn't micro anywhere near well enough to hold it. Blink stalkers are still fun to watch regardless though.

Game Two: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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1/5
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Moon > HongUn
An important PvZ question is finally answered! What happens when a zerg player goes a for a big roach zergling timing against a delayed 4 gate blink stalker all in? The Zerg wins! What a revolution!

Game Three: Dual Site -
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1/5
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HongUn > Moon
Game one was so fun they decided to do it again, but this time without blink to make it watchable.

Player Ratings
HongUn
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2/5

Moon
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2/5


(T)Ensnare vs (Z)RevivaL

Game One: Metalopolis -
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1.5/5
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(T)Ensnare < (Z)RevivaL

How the hell did Ensnare blow this?
Hint: 2k minerals at 11 minutes in might have something to do with it.
Double Hint: Never saving your medivacs might also be related.

Ensnare:
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4/5
Zombie Ensnare:
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0/5
Revival:
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3/5

Game Two: Be'Shir Beach -
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1/5 OR
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4/5
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(T)Ensnare < (Z)RevivaL

How the hell did Ensnare blow this?
Hint: Ensnare sucks at starcraft.

Zombie Ensnare:
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0/5
Revival:
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3/5

Game Three: Crevasse -
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4.5/5
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Revival won 2-0.


(Z)FruitDealer vs (P)Ace

Game One: Bel'Shir Beach -
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3.5/5
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FruitDealer > Ace
FD and Ace played a long macro game that saw most of the map being fought over. While FruitDealer varied his army composition greatly with lings, roaches, infestors, baneling-bombs, and corruptors, Ace disappointed the viewers with his almost all-stalker force. Not surprisingly, FruitDealer picked Ace apart.

FruitDealer:
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4/5
It was just so nice to see someone regularly use banelings bombs effectively throughout a game.

Ace:
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2/5
To be honest, FD did scare him off colossi by overproducing corrupters, but was ONLY stalkers really the solution?

Game Two: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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2/5
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Ace > FruitDealer
Ace went for a fast expand into a seven gate blink-stalker attack, while FD did the usual three base into defend strategy for Zergs. Ace uses forcefields excellently in his attack, completely annihilating FD's ling-roach composition and taking the game.

FruitDealer: 1.5/5
Wasn't really in a position to show us anything, as tends to happen when everything you own is locked up in force fields.

Ace:
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3.5/5
Good force fields, which is all you really need to win some games.

Game Three: Metalopolis -
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4.5/5
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Ace > FruitDealer
Wow... just wow. It's kind of hard to comprehend what happened.

80% of this game was a repeat of game one on Bel'Shir beach. FD went up to four base easily, while Ace took three of his own. Once more, FD's varied army composition was making Ace's only-stalker force look very silly. The key here was that FD, for being maxed and having 3k minerals in the bank, didn't aggressively expand. He could have easily taken four bases at once, with the intent to only really hold on to one. Instead, he kept trying to take a fourth base, which Ace kept killing with a proxy pylon and warp-ins.

When FD moved in for the kill with a brood lord + roach force, Ace made the decision to go for a full-on counter-attack. While FD began with the destruction of Ace's natural and main, Ace started by killing off FD's two mining bases. This turned out to be an incredibly shrewd sequence from Ace (whether he meant it or not), as while he was removing FD's income, he was taking a new expansion for himself at another base. In addition, he chronoboosted out two void rays, to which FruitDealer foolishly lost all of his brood lords.

Without the brood lords, FruitDealer lacked a credible force to defend any new expansion attempts with, and he was pretty much stuck at 0 income while Ace was mining from one base. From there on, the outcome was never in doubt.

FruitDealer:
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3/5
Bizarre way to throw away a lead.

Ace:
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4/5
Great comeback.


(T)MarineKingPrime vs (P)ST_Squirtle

Game One: Metalopolis -
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1.5/5
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MKP > Squirtle
Squirtle managed to pull off a 16 nexus start against MKP's 1 rax expo, but died to the follow-up 3 rax + EMP ghosts attack.

MKP:
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3.5/5
Pretty clean cut, one-attack victory.

Squirtle:
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1.5/5
Didn't make enough stuff, what can I say?

Game Two: Terminus SE -
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2/5
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MKP > Squirtle
MKP used a similar 3 rax + ghosts attack after expanding. Squirtle survived this time, but lost a significant number of probes in defense. MKP easily rode this advantage to victory.

MKP:
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3.5/5
Nothing fancy, just standard MKP.

Squirtle:
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1.5/5
Again, not enough stuff.

Game Three: Crevasse -
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3.5/5
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Group C
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(Z)Leenock vs (T)aLive

Game One: Crossfire -
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3/5
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Leenock > Alive

A well-executed bunker assault early on Alive manages to last forever, though not doing too much damage. Leenock is basically able to stay ahead on macro the whole game, with his +1 armour mutas ruling the map. This eventually gets him the win, combined with a SICK baneling bomb in Alive’s main base during a counter attack.

Leenock:
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5/5
Did you SEE that baneling bomb? Style points alone good sir

Alive:
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2/5
Sat back and got rolled

Game Two: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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2/5
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Leenock > Alive
Realizing he was rather outclassed last game, Alive goes for a hellion marauder all-in. Leenock defends the early hellion pokes well and reacts correctly with spines and banes (instead of roaches!). When the big push finally comes leenock stops it easily

Leenock:
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3/5
He defended the rush basically perfectly

Alive:
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0/5
What a sad excuse for an attack

Game Three: Crevasse -
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3/5
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(T)Byun vs (P)LegalMind

Game One: TalDarim Altar -
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1/5
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LegalMind > Byun

The teamless legalmind starts this series off with a bang, going for a 5 warpgate rush, proxying 2 of them. He plows into Byun's natural with his massive force of zealots and sentries, and eventually through sheer numbers takes the game.

Byun:
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2/5
I don't entirely blame him for losing to such an aggressive rush

Legalmind:
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2/5
Some of the sloppiest micro I have ever seen for an attack like that, he's lucky he had numbers on his side

Game Two: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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Legalmind < Byun
Legalmind tries for a quick expansion but Byun shuts it down with a nicely executed bunker push killing the nexus. With some terrible forcefields in combination with poor unit control, Byun is able to breach the protoss ramp inflicting extensive economic on legalmind with his bio. Byun finishes this game off with style, ferrying units over the protoss forcefields.

Legalmind:
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0/5
He didn't do a single thing right this game

Byun:
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3/5
He may have won easily, but he did it with pizazz

Game Three: Crossfire -
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Legalmind < Byun
Byun opts for a fairly standard siege tank+banshee push towards the toss natural. Legalmind allows Byun to become completely set up in a fantastic position, basically hanging himself. Some nice sentry sniping allows Byun to show us that not only is Legalmind no MC, but his unit control overall is just plain terrible.

Legalmind:
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0/5
"He didn't do a single thing right this game"

Byun:
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2/5
Why so easy?


(P)Alicia vs (P)MC

Game One: Metalopolis -
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4/5
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Alicia > MC

MC fakes a tech build and instead chooses the evil 4 gate, while Alicia tries to defend innocently with 3 gate robo. But this is no problem for Alicia, he demonstrates some of the best protoss micro I've ever seen. He held MC's attack beautifully with some amazing forcefield usage, ripping through stalkers with his immortals like nothing.

Alicia:
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5/5
I just don't understand how he could have played this game better

MC:
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3/5
I'm pretty sure that build would have worked on ANYONE else (except maybe Inca!)

Game Two: Crevasse -
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Alicia > MC
I don't know what to say about this game besides if you know anything about MC it's that he usually wins his games large in part due to his amazing micro. Alicia out microed him this game in a 4 gate duel. Please watch this if you like PvP micro.

Alicia:
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5/5
You out micro MC in pvp you get 5 stars

MC:
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3.5/5
MC made a few brief errors and that's all it took

Game Three:Metalopolis -
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3/5
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(T)Bomber vs (P)Killer

Game One: Belshir Beach -
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1.5/5
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Bomber > Killer

Bomber loses his first attack to a last second voidray, and is then countered and loses his tech lab seconds away from finishing stim outside his base. Killer follows this victory up with an expansion, however Bomber has a sudden epiphany. If his opponent is tech AND expanding he won't have any units! So bomber builds some units and a-moves killer. Game.

Bomber
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2/5
Well he won didn't he

Killer:
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0/5
Progamers should not get a-moved in a fashion like that and lose so easily ever

Game Two: TalDarim Altar -
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Bomber > Killer
This game had nukes and motherships, it had everything you'd want in a game, except for good play of any sort. Sir confused crib did a more extensive recap of this game, tune into that if you want detailed, painful hilarity!

Killer:
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0/5
Games like this make me wonder about you...

Bomber:
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2/5
I used to think bomber was really good, now he seems mediocre

Game Three:Dual sight -
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Bomber won 2-0


(T)Cezanne vs (Z)NesTea

Game One: Metalopolis -
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3/5
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Nestea > Cezanne

Nestea manages some slight early damage with his zerglings, and apparently this is all he needs. From here the drone lead snowballs out of control. With some help from banes to defend later pressure, Nestea is eventually able to win the roach on roach fight

Nestea:
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3.5/5
He won this game because he's Nestea, really good job at pushing his marginal victories

Cezanne:
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3/5
Cezanne is no slouch, though he lost this game IT'S NESTEA, and he went down with a fight

Game Two: TalDarim Altar -
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Nestea < Cezanne
Nestea opts for a really interesting ZvZ strat with mutalisks, hoping to force his opponent into hydralisks which he can then easily counter. However, Cezanne catches wind of this plan in plenty of time and counters it wonderfully with some infestors and NYDUS WORMS to mitigate the muta mobility. Really entertaining game as far as ZvZ's go a must watch!

Nestea:
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3.5/5
Try to get cocky on this boy Nestea, I don't think so!

Cezanne:
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4/5
He made countering the ZvZ master look easy

Game Three:Terminus RE -
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Nestea > Cezanne
Nestea uses his superstar ZvZ sense to realize Cezanne has a timing in his build for a mass ling attack and prepares for that without entirely scouting it. Managing to just BARELY defend against this younger zerg's first break attempt on his natural. Cezanne tries twice more incorporating more roaches into each attack, Nestea simply matches him in banelings (that's right banelings) to defend each attack and take the game.
Nestea:
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4/5
Damn Nestea is good at the precision of ZvZ

Cezanne:
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3.5/5
Cezanne came verrry close to actually taking a ZvZ series from NESTEA, look out for this man in the future


(Z)LosirA vs (T)Polt

Game One: Xel'Naga Fortress -
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1/5
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Losira < Polt

Losira looked solid when he stopped the bunker rush, however he looked terrible when he sacked some lings and got completely rolled by the marine counter attack that he was entirely unprepared for.

Losira:
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0.5/5
Losira man what happened to you

Polt:
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2/5
Easy wins tend to be quite easy

Game Two: Metalopolis -
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Losira > Polt
Losira looked better this game but not by a whole lot. He was able to make use of an advantage garnered from Polt's cloaked banshee harass that didn't accomplish enough damage to compensate for the investment. From here Losira was able to deflect all of the terran harassment and catch Polt out of position far too many times.

Losira:
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3/5
The first game was clearly a wake up for him to get his act together

Polt:
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1.5/5
Polt played surprisingly bad this game, no one should ever be caught unsieged so many times

Game Three: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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Losira < Polt
Losira completely flubs his drone control when trying to deal with Polt's early hellion harass and loses 14 of his little zerg miners, essentially losing the game right there. Polt finds himself engaged by Losira in an advantageous position for himself before even reaching the zerg natural... Then he.goes.all.the.way.

Polt:
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2.5/5
Nothing spectacular but a win is a win

Losira:
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0/5
An extremely disappointing series from Losira, I'm a huge fan and his play was really poor in this series.


(P)HuK vs (P)San

Game One: Belshir Beach -
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Huk > San
San tries to proxy gate Huk right outside his natural, but our foreign hero manages to hold this off with some fantastic micro and a little help from sc2 cannons.

Huk:
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4/5
Great decisions, great micro

San:
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2/5
Tsk tsk San trying to cheese a foreigner, for shame

Game Two: Xel'Naga Fortress -
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Huk < San
San easily stops Huk's dt rush, and from there sneaks a few zealots into Huk's mineral line while his army tries to break San's ramp. Unfortunately forcefields put a stop to this and Huk gg's out

Huk:
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1/5
Still wasting the DTs after he knew his opponent had observers was an odd choice

San:
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2.5/5
Countering a DT rush makes for a handy win

Game Three: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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Huk > San
San was trying to DT rush when he disocvered Huk was 4 gating him. Even though he was teching and had basically no units, San left the few he had BELOW his ramp. Naturally Huk caught this in his eventual attack, San gave another bonus in missing his ramp's forcefield. Huk moves on.

Huk:
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2/5
It's hard to award any stars for winning a game like that

San:
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0/5
San absolutely lost himself this game, what a disaster


(T)Maka vs (T)Noblesse
Maka received a walkover win, because Noblesse was late to his game.



Group D
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(T)LiquidJinro vs (Z)Line

Game One: Bel'Shir Beach -
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1/5
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Line > Jinro
Jinro messed up his early hellion strat by building his reactor outside his wall, getting it sniped by zerglings. He managed to jury-rig his build into some kind of marine + tank push, which successfully forced a cancel on Line's greedy fast third base at his gold.

Jinro could have backed off and played 2 base vs 2 base, but made a horrible mistake by trying to ferry up his tiny marine-tank army into Line's main. Muta-ling crushed the attack easily, and Jinro spent the rest of the game getting slowly picked apart by mutas.

Jinro:
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0/5
High possibility he will edit his rating to a zero himself, so I might as well give him what he wants.

Line:
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3.5/5
Sat back and took the win.

Game Two: Metalopolis -
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Line > Jinro
Jinro got to use the build he had planned for game one, which turned out to be a reactor hellion - expand variant. Jinro then played hyper-passive, allowing Line to go up to four base almost entirely unharassed. It was no surprise when Line crushed him with his overwhelming economy.

Jinro:
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1/5
Not sure what he was doing at all.

Line:
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3.5/5
Similarly to game one, he took the gift without complaint.

Game Three: Terminus SE -
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Line won 2-0.


(P)Banbanssu vs (Z)KyrixZenith

Game One: Metalopolis -
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2/5
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Kyrix>Banbanssu
BanBans goes for the standard stalker/sentry timing attack to kill Zerg's 3rd base but loses his entire army in a vain effort that fails to even kill the hatchery. Kyrix is easily able to take advantage of his opponent's lack of troops and take the win.

BanBanssu:
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2/5
Although BanBanssu killed Kyrix's original army, he continued to trade blows with Kyrix's reinforcements. Instead of fighting the reinforcements, he should've target fired down the hatchery and ran.

Kyrix:
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3/5
Kyrix had a harder time defending than he should have, as he missed a couple of larva injections, but he counter-attacked at a good time and won the game.

Game Two: Terminus SE -
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Kyrix>Banbanssu
BanBanssu went for double nexus build and transitioned into a 2 base all-in with 1 gas. Kyrix simply defended it and rolled to victory.

BanBanssu
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2/5
Although BanBansu's all-in had a bigger stalker count, a 2 gas all-in still would've been better as he would have been able to produce sentries to help with the all-in. Much better to do the normal 7gate 2gas all-in build.

Kyrix:
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4/5
Kyrix saw BanBans not mining any gas from his main and predicted that BanBans would be doing an all-in, and defended it well.

Game Three: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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Kyrix wins 2-0


(T)TOP vs. (T)August

Game One: Tal'Darim Altar -
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2/5
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Top > August

Top goes for a one base banshee, marine, tank timing and August just isn't ready for it. August manages to scan the starport with the tech lab so is exteremly prepared for the cloak banshees, but just isn't expecting the siege tanks along with them.

August:
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2/5
Top:
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2/5

Game Two: Terminus RE
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Top > August

Both players engage in the standard Marine tank positioning wars of TvT. At a critical moment, Top is able to demolish August's army at the same time as hitting a huge drop at the natural. August doesn't have enough left over to hold Top's inevitable push and is forced to gg

Top:
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3/5
August:
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2/5

Game Three: Xel'Naga Fortress
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2/5
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Top 2:0 August


(Z)CoCa vs. (T)NaDa

Game One: Terminus RE -
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3/5
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Nada > Junwi

Nada does some good damage early on with an interestingly timed push with pure marines. Nada's marine micro for this push is insanely good and definitely worth watching. Both players transition into your standard TvZ. Coca is in an okay position when he busts Nada's contain but feels very far behind and begins throwing desperate attacks to try and break Nada. Nada is able to hold out until Coca is forced to gg.

Nada:
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4/5
Coca:
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3/5


Game Two: Crossfire
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3/5

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Nada > Junwi

The game plays out very standard marine tank against muta baneling but the mutalisks are well shut down by Nada. This whole series, Junwi doesn't demonstrate anything close to the potential of mutalisks; it really seems like Junwi justs gets them because they're standard. Junwi chooses to push into Nada, and while killing all of the tanks, he also doesn't kill a single marine. Junwi desperately tries for a base trade, but Nada easily holds and takes the series.

Nada:
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4/5
Junwi:
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2/5


Game Three: Dual Site
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4/5

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Nada 2:0


(Z)Junwi vs. (P)Virus

Game One: Crossfire -
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1/5

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Virus > Junwi

2 rax bunker rush transition into winning!

Virus:
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2/5
Junwi:
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1/5

Game Two: Xel'Naga Caverns -
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Junwi > Virus

Both players engage in some pretty standard marine tank vs. muta/ling/baneling play, but Virus just doesn't quite keep up into the late game once broodlords and infestors are out. Some pretty good standard play by both players.

Virus:
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3/5
Junwi:
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3/5

Game Three: Tal'Darim Altar
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1/5
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Virus > Junwi

How to win in the super tournament:
Step One: build SCVs
Step Two: build Marines
Step Three: attack with all of it.

Virus:
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1/5
Junwi:
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1/5


(Z)Zenio vs (P)Choya

Game One: Dual Sight -
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Zenio>Choya
Choya did the 1gate expand build and pushed Zenio with stalk/sentries when Zenio was busy droning. When Zenio saw Choya pushing out, he did a ling run-by at Choya's natural and killed many of his probes. Also, Choya push failed without managing to kill Zenio's 2nd hatchery. Choya tried to push again with Stalk/Sentry push, but again he lost his entire army. He couldn't stop Zenio's counter attack.

Choya:
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2.5/5
Choya wasnt prepared for the ling run-by and lost most of his probes at his natural.

Zenio:
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4/5
Zenio saw the push coming out, and his ling run-by not only killed probes, but also helped defend against the push by forcing Choya to warp in zealots at his expo instead of reinforcing the attack.

Game Two Tal'Darim Altar -
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Choya>Zenio
Choya went for a double nexus build, while probe scouting on 9 and checking Zenio's 6 pool. Choya quickly built a forge and dropped a cannon at mineral line, changing his build to 3gate expand. Zenio transitioned as soon as he saw the cannon and resumed drone production. Choya techs up heavily, while Zenio also techs to roach+hydra while getting a fast 3rd. After +2 attack and blink are finished, Choya finishes Zenio off with Stalker/sentry attack.

Choya
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3.5/5
Good forcefield and blink micro wins him the game.

Zenio
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3/5
Transitions well out of the 6pool but he may have been too greedy with a 4th hatchery.

Game Three: Crevasse -
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Choya>Zenio
Choya went early expand and pushed out with early zeals and a stalker while adding on gates. Zenio defended this push while getting evo chamber, a 3rd base, lair, and roach. After the 5 gates finished, Choya warped in zealots to kill of Zenio's third hatch. Zenio sacrificed an ovie to see that Choya was going 7gate all-in. However, Choya switched it up and gets DT and blink tech instead. Choya used DT's to harass Zenio pretty effectively, setting him up nicely for his follow-up blink-stalker attack. Zenio has no answer for this attack, and GG'd.

Choya
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4.5/5
Choya goes 7 gate and after the ovie saw Choya's strategy, Choya went DT's instead when Zenio was investing all his resources on making an army to defend the 7gate all-in and neglected detection. Choya's DT slowed down Zenio's economy and he had a hard time defending Choya's delayed attack.

Zenio
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3/5
Zenio sacrifices an ovie and expected 7gate, however Zenio didn't scout again and that cost him the game.


(P)Killer vs. (T)Bomber

Game One: Bel'Shir Beach -
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Bomber > Killer
Both players go for pressure builds and they both fail miserably. Then they both transition into awkward expansion timings. Bomber just goes for a big marine marauder timing and wins the game; Killer's Void Rays end up not being the most useful skill to have.

Game Two: Tal'Darim Altar LE -
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Bomber > Killer
So bad it deserved a separate article. But if I had to sum it up in one word, I would invent a new one: terriboring!

Player Ratings
Killer
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0/5

Bomber
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1/5

Game Three: Dual Sight -
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(Z)Cezanne vs. (Z)NesTea

Game One: Metalopolis -
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4/5
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Nestea > Cezanne
Nestea uses a 10 pool and manages to get one drone ahead of his opponent who has to cancel his expansion hatch. Nestea demonstrates his mastery of balancing droning vs. unit production, inching ahead all game long until he is able to crush Cezanne just as he is preparing to go infestor; fantastic and subtle timing by Nestea.

Game Two: Tal'Darim Altar LE -
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Cezanne > Nestea
This was an example of an amazing and creative game plan just barely not panning out. Nestea goes muta/ling on Tal Darim, but critically did not clear all of the overlords on his side of the map, losing to a nydus worm into his main. Nestea was gearing up to go muta ling, expanding far away from his opponent, using mobility to hold off attacks, and getting tons of gas for an early hive for probable brood lords. Would have been great to see the game play out longer, but one mistake from Nestea is all it took to lose the game.

Game Three: Terminus SE
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Nestea > Cezanne
Nestea did an amazing job holding off a big ling/roach two base timing, using the minimum amount of units to survive and ensure a victory at the same time. It ended up being a very fun game to watch, even if there wasn't much strategy to be learned.

Player Ratings
Nestea
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5/5

Cezzane
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4/5







(Worst) Game of the Week


by confusedcrib

This game really demonstrated how far Starcraft 2 is from reaching truly high level play. The game is StarTale's Bomber against The SCV Life's Killer. Both of these players are well hyped, code S players. I've never been much of a fan of Killer, but he does get some good results in code S; Bomber is considered by many to be among the top 10 players in the world. I do have to make a small disclaimer, it is possible that Bomber was just not taking the game seriously (evidenced by the multiple nukes on the same location) but regardless, I don't think he would risk dragging the game out if he didn't have to; but it is something up for debate.

Both players open up with fast expand builds, a standard for TvP, and Bomber pokes out to the Xel'Naga tower in the middle of Tal'Darim Altar with early marines. Had Bomber pushed up Killer's ramp with his big marine count, there would only have been two sentries and a zealot left to defend, with warp gate far from completion. Even if he didn't attack, Bomber could at least have scouted what his opponent was doing. I could let this slide though, I mean just poking to the watch tower and back is a cute little move that most players don't do anyways when one rax fast expanding. 

After this point, the middle of the map remains empty for a very long time. Both players just turtle in their mains until Bomber's marine sees the third base get thrown down by Killer, which he responds to by just making one of his own. I guess you could assume that this one was merely both players wanting to play safe, but when is the last time you've seen both players take their third bases so passively, without any harassment or timing pushes or surprise techs from either player?

Bomber and Killer were extremely vulnerable to harassment, but neither player bothered to even try. Bomber never got missile turrets or sensor towers, but Killer, even in the super late game, didn't even go Dark Templar, nor set up proxy pylons around the map at possible expansion locations. And as for Bomber, he found the time to drop 4+ slightly irritating nukes on a single location, but if he had put the same amount of effort in medivac harass, he would have crippled Killer. Not to mention the fact that considering Killer's serious 1A syndrome, a single multiple pronged attack could have won the game much quicker.

Instead, the highlight of Bomber's medivac use was a two marine scout drop that got five total probe kills (four of those kills were due to Killer's horrible reaction speed). Imagine what an entire medivac full would have done. It's just so uncommon to see a Terran who just chooses not to drop at all when going Marine Marauder Medivac. Alas, that was how the game went. 

I guess this next part is really what decides the game. With both players maxed, and with neck-and-neck upgrades and composition (the zealot charge being conspicuously absent for Killer), Bomber decides to max expand while Killer stays content on only a fourth base.

After a passively macroing for twenty minutes, the two players are finally have their first major engagement. Bomber manages to kill off all of Killer's colossus pretty easily, but he also makes two huge mistakes. First, he doesn't have any medivacs by the twenty minute mark, so his units end up at low HP real fast. Second, he lands his Vikings separate from the rest of his army, allowing them to be picked off easily. Killer comes out ahead, after which he decides to counter push, but his attack consists of mostly zealots going up a large ramp into a perfect Terran concave....without charge. After both players botch their chances to end the game, it leaves us 25 more minutes to look forward to. 

With so many bases on each side, the game enters the super-late phase, where protoss gets 20+ warp gates and Terran gets 20+ orbital commands for mules. Bomber makes the right decision to sack some SCVs, but then randomly, Killer decides that he liked that idea and would try it too with his probes. 

Killer played so poorly in this phase of the game that it would have been a travesty for Bomber not to win. Killer has not harassed at all, not made a single dark Templar, is not remaking colossus despite killing all of Bomber's Vikings, allows his fourth base to be nuked over 4 times, never even killing the ghost dropping the nukes, never upgrades shields, and has sacked probes in anticipation of a final engagement that never comes, crippling his income.

But at the same time, Bomber's not playing so hot either. He realizes that there is nothing defending Killer's main base or at the fourth base but doesn't get a single medivac. He is on purely maurader ghost, not having teched beyond infantry and medivacs, and should be completely dead had Killer done anything besides just going mass high Templar.

Someone really should have won after that engagement 20 minutes ago, but it was like both players forgot how to play. Bomber was content just getting 30 orbital commands and deemed his nuking on the fourth base as enough harassment to be bothered with. Killer just had no idea what he was doing, no tech switching, no harassment, just nothing; he didn't even stop the ghost that was nuking his fourth constantly.

Before the 45 minute mark, neither player is really leading the other, they're both just sitting back on their chosen compositions, ghost marauder and templar zealot. Had Killer not sacked his probes and actually kept an income going, I honestly have no idea who would have won.

Finally, at the 45 minute mark, Bomber hits an attack into Killer's main base, the fourth base, and the fifth base and crushes through Killer's dismal army and even more dismal multitasking. But this wasn't before he almost lost the game thanks to still not having any medivacs at the forty minute mark, getting his overstimmed troops annihilated by storms.  

This game was so terrible, it was like watching two drunken pandas try to sneeze on each other. There was no harassment, no tech switches, critical upgrades missing, and honestly, it looked like a game my friends and I might play, not a Code S match with two hyped players.  





Strategy of the Week


by WaxAngel

“Put your tanks in siege mode and wait for your opponent to f*** up”

No it's not a joke, there's actually something serious to be said here. It might seem stupid, but sieging up and getting lucky is pretty relevant even at the pro level (as Idra will easily attest to, a lot of things in this game are stupid). It's one of the most common strategies in all of Starcraft II, one you'll see nearly every day alongside "Spam force field and pretend you know what you're doing."

Taking advantage of mistakes is a big part of the game. As players go up in skill level, they make less mistakes as whole, and the ones they do make tend to be less drastic. Every screw-up one can capitalize upon becomes more and more valuable, and by the pro-gamer level even the smallest error comes at a high premium.

With their ridiculous range, incredible single shot damage, absurd splash radius, and total lack of micro or attention required, tanks are stupidly overpowered mistake-punishing machines. The ability to instantly annihilate units from a screen away, without the user even being aware (at least force field and fungal growth require you to be paying attention) is even more valuable at the pro-level. Pros only slip up for seconds at a time, and tanks automatically capitalize for the opposing player inside that window.

Rainbow provided us with a great example in his game against Clide on Terminus SE. The two players began in a standoff-situation, with huge groups of tanks standing off in the center of the map. Noticing a particularly thin part of Clide's tank line, Rainbow went on the offensive and broke through the center with his tanks and vikings.
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Encouraged by his success, Rainbow attempted to advance his forces even further. After scanning Clide's tank position, he decided to attack it with a combination of tanks and ground mode vikings. Meanwhile, Clide brought up a few more tanks and pressed “E”.
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Unfortunately for Rainbow, he maneuvered his vikings poorly so that they took a different path from his tanks. This put them in a terrible position where they couldn't reach Clide's tanks at all and were in range of every single one of Clide's tanks, even the ones at the very back. Rainbow didn't react for about 2 seconds, long enough for all of his vikings to evaporate.
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With Rainbow's vikings gone, Clide was able to land his own vikings next to Rainbow's tanks and eliminate them cost effectively.
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With the tank balance suddenly shifted, Clide went on to win the game.

Not only do tanks punish mistakes well, but they're also magnificent at inducing them. Here, MMA has taken up position in the middle with his tanks. He presses “E.”
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Since they are so annoying, all SC II players possess an incredible urge to kill siege tanks. Tanks that look vulnerable in any way are an itch that many players can't help but scratch, even tanks that pose no immediate threat.

Lyn's an SC II player just like the rest of us, and has the same urges. Though MMA's position was a fair distance away from any of his bases, Lyn charged in the second he judged that he had a shot at killing off those goddamn tanks.
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Poor Lyn, his calculations were only a little bit off. Too bad he's fighting siege tanks though. Against most other units, you can just back the hell off when things turn south. When you start losing against tanks, you're screwed no matter what you do. Eat a ton of damage running away, or eat a ton of damage while you go out fighting in vain. Fortunately for Lyn, he had medivacs to cut his losses, but he still gave away a 30 supply advantage, which MMA would ride to victory.
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So, what can we learn from all of this?

If you're building tanks (and come on, if you're playing Terran, why aren't you building tanks?), press "E."

If you're playing against tanks? Don't walk around the map like an idiot, and be really f***ing sure you're gonna win when you attack. If you can't do this on a regular basis, don't feel so let down. As it turns out, the pros can't either.

Honorable Mentions

Trickster's Mothership Rush

Trickster's 3 warpgate - 1 stargate expand into fast Mothership was by far the most entertaining build we saw in round one. Alas, the mothership was completely unnecessary.

YuGiOh responded to the 3gate-1star expand by going for a hydra-ling bust at Trickster's natural, and for a moment it looked like Trickster was in serious danger. However, Trickster was absolutely fantastic at using his sentries to defend, thwarting Yugioh's attack with amazing efficiency. The failed attack put YuGiOh so far behind that Trickster could have followed up with anything and won. In all honesty, 3 void rays would have ensured him a quicker victory than the mothership.

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Still, it was pretty damn cool.


Was it really worth devoting an entire section to people walking units into tanks? Yes, because it's funnier when progamers do it.



It's the Seeding, Stupid!


by TreeHugger

The GSL super tournament's first round was somewhat underwhelming. Most of the old faces who returned left without making much of an impression on the better, faster, stronger elite of Sc2. (Bye Junwi!) A lot of bad players once again proved that we were right to think them so. (Bye anypro!) Indeed despite the touch of nostalgia, the super tournament's bias towards players with past GSL experience probably hurt the quality in the opening round. Instead using GSTL wins to put DRG, GuineaPig, Yonghwa or other better players in the main tournament might've been a more dynamic choice. Whatever.

With the wheat mostly separated from the chaff in the round of 64, the super tournament is getting much tougher extremely quickly. But if the round of 64 was an exhibition match for the current Sc2 elite, then the round of 32 must feel something like a GSL finals. And for two players, it essentially was.

It's one thing to have a round of 32 featuring Keen and jookTo, or HongUn and Revival. But this week, two of the most exciting terrans in the world went home, as MMA played SuperNova, and MVP played GanZi. Only one of four of the best terrans in the world will make the super tournament round of 16. And most bizarre of all, the super tournament's second round presented a choice between either the best zerg in the world in NesTea, or the world's best terran in Bomber. That's a match-up that blows every single GSL final out of the water any day of the week, and yet we saw it in the round of 32.

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Go figure.


It's a simple fact that six seasons into GSL play, we still don't have anything close to a legitimate official ranking of Sc2 talent. This is a inexcusable failure, and completely attributable to the rigid tiered system that GOM has implemented. For two seasons now, we have seen the final four players in Code A play at a higher level than the final four in Code S. I can't believe I'm making this argument again. Of the top eight Code A players in May, six of eight advanced into the next round. Of the top eight Code S players in March, five of eight advanced into the next round. These players are the new generation, the players who are defining the Korean scene in 2011. There are plenty of others who haven't simply had as many chances at the qualifiers to advance farther. And yet the GSL point and tournament system is designed to be unbelievably slow at charting the rapid fluctuations in dominance that have defined Sc2 to date.

Which brings us back to the incredible inequality of the Super Tournament. Bomber facing NesTea is the worst of the absurdity, but the MMA/MvP/SuperNoVa/GanZi is nearly as silly. So too was the opening round Rochambeau between Korea's two best protosses; Alicia and MC. There are plenty of lesser examples. aLive and Leenock is legitimate Ro32 or Ro16 match. And is Ro64's Min vs July tougher than the Ro32's Tester vs TheBest?

Take it away, Geico man:
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Looking at the albatross that is the Super Tournament's bracket, is it any surprise really that the GSL can't buy a competitive finals? When your tournament structure cools off the game's hottest players with less money than a weekly KOTH, while handing out a fortune to a league of octogenarians, can we seriously be surprised when tournament after tournament puts the wrong players together at the wrong times? Code S remains a tournament fought between roughly the same eight people every season. We've seen a few names drop out of elite status, and a few new names breach the upper echelon, but overall progress in breaking the mold in Code S has been painfully slow. Hence the terrible seeding. Hence the premature tournament match-ups.

So sit back and enjoy the replays of NesTea against Bomber, MVP and GanZi, and SuperNoVa and MMA. Chances are, it'll be the toughest match either of these players have on their way to the championship.

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TheCtd400
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States136 Posts
June 03 2011 15:24 GMT
#2
lolz. Three cheers for Terran imbalance!!
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Yts
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden79 Posts
June 03 2011 15:26 GMT
#3
So true about the brackets its hard to forge the seeding but it would have been dam nice thats for sure.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
June 03 2011 15:35 GMT
#4
quoting Treehugger: "It's a simple fact that six seasons into GSL play, we still don't have anything close to a legitimate official ranking of Sc2 talent."

I'd rather have it judged based on results than based of talent. Even though the difference of talent between some players might be evident, imagine all the flamewars going on between fans of players where it is not so easy to distinguish.
Besides, results are objective, and a ranking of talent is not. Moreover, some people might be more talented than others, yet less skilled, just because they picked up the game half a year or a year later than the other.
MadPretty
Profile Joined October 2010
United States101 Posts
June 03 2011 15:37 GMT
#5
With GSL putting a bigger focus on Team League coming up next season, this will hopefully be a chance for non-code players to become more recognized and shake up the brackets.
DarkGeneral
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada328 Posts
June 03 2011 15:38 GMT
#6
So much hate towards terran :/
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Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
June 03 2011 15:38 GMT
#7
Nice worst game of the week feature. Some of these super tournament games makes me want to hang myself.

I hope that as the GSTL become a proleague style of tournaments and players start to play more often in the booth we will see an increase in skill level.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
June 03 2011 15:38 GMT
#8
LEYYGO HuK!
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MetalSlug
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany443 Posts
June 03 2011 15:39 GMT
#9
If you're building tanks (and come on, if you're playing Terran, why aren't you building tanks?), press "E."


I hope you are being sarcastic, the situation you describe is very specific to TvT and has no value in any other matchup (arguably in TvZ but not as much as TvT). I applaud your effort on the writeup but i strongly disagree on your conclusion.
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gustavohmp
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil139 Posts
June 03 2011 15:42 GMT
#10
Those brackets really sucked.
About the Siege Tank, wow, seriously, stop crying.
Holding ground is the purpose of the unit. When you see unsupported siege tanks, load your medivacs with marines and drop unto them. So easy it hurts.
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aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
June 03 2011 15:42 GMT
#11
quite nice matches overall but yeah...bomber vs killer was baaaad
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Gumbos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada55 Posts
June 03 2011 15:46 GMT
#12
TvT finals anyone?? Tanks and marines oh my!
BaLoO-
Profile Joined January 2011
France318 Posts
June 03 2011 15:52 GMT
#13
Rofl just be patient a bit. Come on, we've just passed 3 seasons of GSL in its actual format, the first had qualified players based on silly results of last year, that's why there were a lot of "bad" players. Now after 2 rounds of qualifications it is wayyyyyy better, and I consider that one or 2 more rounds of GSL are needed before reaching the "true" scene. That's perfectly normal, if the scene was changing every 2 months it wouldn't be better, it would just mean that the competitive scene is at an awful level of play. Just wait 2 more GSLs and you'll get rid off what you call "bad players".

Plus the SuperTournament is done to show the best players over the last months, not over the few 10 last weeks ... next year if MVP or MC would be in a slump for some months you will probably find normal to give them a chance for the results they could have on a full year ...
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
June 03 2011 15:53 GMT
#14
Eh these game analysis seem very poorly done. You probably just skimmed through the games.

MMA vs Lyn. MMA had 3, or 4?, hidden sieged tanks above his main army. If you were Lyn, and scanned that army w/o knowing about the 3-4 extra sieged tanks, you would also think you could win that engagement.

MVP/Bomber vs Protoss on Taldarim altar. Clearly these top 2 terrans felt that they can't match Protosses' late game army. They said over and over again in interviews that if they lose an engagement, their army would be wiped out by Protoss's warp-ins. Creator's endgame army wiped the floor with MVP's just 1 game earlier. This is the reason both of them played so defensively and looked for the Protoss to make mistakes. The P's meanwhile were too scared or too behind to attack so it was a stalemate situation. MVP preyed upon Creator's mistakes by attacking him simultaneously everywhere, while Bomber eventually won by capitalizing on Killer's tactical mistakes.

There should be a better system to replace the old-guard in Code S but if they win during up/down and the better Code A players lose, who's to blame?
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quaffle
Profile Joined December 2010
United States249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:02:52
June 03 2011 15:55 GMT
#15
Code S remains a tournament fought between roughly the same eight people every season.

Thats what Code S is all about and should remain so, for a Starcraft 2 growth perspective. Code S is the standard players should be held to because its regarded as the highest skilled tournament in Starcraft 2. You need to commit yourself to qualify as well, so it contains dedicated players (this has many arguments against it with many 'foreign' tournaments to attend). Starcarft 2 needs exaggerated elites to watch and follow... it basically gives Starcraft 2 a 'face'. Like Tiger Woods is the mainstream 'face' of Golf, or Nadal is the 'face' of Tennis at the moment, or how premier football players like Adrian Peterson are highlighted so much.

One could say "But what about NASL, TSL3, Dreamhack, or IPL tournaments?" and the response is competition. All those tournaments are fighting for Code S's reputation of the best players. So Im sure once the public sees players from, say NASL, consistently beating players in Code S, the new standard will be NASL has the highest skilled players. Etc, etc...
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Squeakyclean
Profile Joined August 2010
United States25 Posts
June 03 2011 16:06 GMT
#16
On June 04 2011 00:24 TheCtd400 wrote:
lolz. Three cheers for Terran imbalance!!


What!!!! People who say Terran is imbalanced I find has never attempted to play Terran themselves. If you switch races as I do you would most likely have a higher appreciation for the ridiculous multitasking and micro that Terran units require.

I used to strongly dislike Terran playing as Protoss because it seemed like I would always get steamed rolled. Now I look at Protoss the same way because it seems like they can just 1 a through my army. Please do us a favor and try playing Terran before you call imbalance.

If anything my experience with different races has given me a greater appreciation for the great and creative strategies of the pros.

Thank for the great write up anyway. Very informative especially when I was unable to watch the matches.
Advocado
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Denmark994 Posts
June 03 2011 16:07 GMT
#17
Cezanne and nestea appears twice in group c and d?
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Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
June 03 2011 16:09 GMT
#18
I think your worst game of the week wasn't that bad at all, I've seen far worse. It was somewhat amusing watching both players trying to get positional advantages with a maxed army
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
June 03 2011 16:10 GMT
#19
I don't see how Ensnare vs Revival game 2 wasn't the worst. Bomber vs Killer was far better than that game. I hope for whoever doesn't have time to watch all the games looks at the LR threads' polls instead of these. I realize theres tons of games so in-depth analysis is unrealistic, but I don't see a point to half-assed ones either. Just a rating would suffice for those(which was done for some). "hint:ensnare sucks at starcraft" isn't exactly helpful. Thanks anyways.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
June 03 2011 16:18 GMT
#20
I don't see a clide vs rainbow rating?
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 03 2011 16:19 GMT
#21
How was Ensnare/Revival not the worst? It was 44 minutes of two guys trying to lose, but each one screwing up and letting the other guy screw up instead.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11133 Posts
June 03 2011 16:24 GMT
#22
On June 04 2011 01:10 Vorlik wrote:
I don't see how Ensnare vs Revival game 2 wasn't the worst. Bomber vs Killer was far better than that game. I hope for whoever doesn't have time to watch all the games looks at the LR threads' polls instead of these. I realize theres tons of games so in-depth analysis is unrealistic, but I don't see a point to half-assed ones either. Just a rating would suffice for those(which was done for some). "hint:ensnare sucks at starcraft" isn't exactly helpful. Thanks anyways.

Haha. I guess some games are so bad that they are good, yet others are so bad that no one is sure whether or not they are worth watching at all. Kinda reminds me of Inca vs Rain.

Scrappy matches that turn into near or actual base-trades tend to be quite intense to watch live, but usually the level of play is just horrendous as players squander entire leads due to terrible decisions during these very confusing matches. However, I guess there is some entertainment in watching such circus acts.

Also, it seems that the use of nukes, motherships, storms, and other flashy things tends to make the longer, "macro" matches seem "interesting" to some people despite the usually terribly low level of play from these overly-passive game.
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 03 2011 16:25 GMT
#23
On June 04 2011 01:07 Advocado wrote:
Cezanne and nestea appears twice in group c and d?

And sC v hyperdub went unmentioned.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
June 03 2011 16:26 GMT
#24
amazing read! i agree on the bracket bit, which is completely of haha. Nestea vs bomber r32, 'MC vs Alicia R64.... madness.

also lol at the ensare vs revival comments made me rofl.
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Tschis
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil1511 Posts
June 03 2011 16:27 GMT
#25
Group B, Ace is Terran on the first round, Protoss on the second round against MKP
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Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
June 03 2011 16:29 GMT
#26
Nice review, haven't seen all matches , so was kinda cool read through. However it seems like you demand them to put manually and not randomly groups, so matches and specially finals will look more exited, after watching last GSL finals i can't say everything is ok, but neither should they "artificially" create a final between Nestea vs MvP or some other exited players. I think its more of a game problem, as many professional players mentioned, the game is just too volatile,the "best" player not always will win.

I think everyone trying to hard to rush things , we going the right way, if in 4 months or so we will watch the games of the same quality and nothing will improve, thats when we start seriously looking at cause, but right now, watching 4 months behind and first seasons of GSL, i think the difference its pretty large, even that is not too huge.
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Juicebox
Profile Joined January 2011
United States13 Posts
June 03 2011 16:31 GMT
#27
Sooooooo many Terrans.. Good thing I like TvTs : )
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:39:01
June 03 2011 16:35 GMT
#28
I can do without the siege tank whine in this article as it comes off as very very ignorant. Even a layman of SC2 can tell you positioning with siege tanks is pretty key, and not just the E key (this sentence in this article is downright silly and laughable).

Also I have no clue how enSnare and Revival was not the worst game. It was so bad the observer had to stop the game. The only reason I guess it wasn't mentioned was because the author wanted to whine about siege tanks more later in the article.

Good, if not a bit obvious, points about the brackets, what on earth is Alicia and MC doing in the round of 64?
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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
June 03 2011 16:36 GMT
#29
When in doubt, Press 'E'!
NotCptKirk
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:25:02
June 03 2011 16:38 GMT
#30
On June 04 2011 01:07 Advocado wrote:
Cezanne and nestea appears twice in group c and d?


Well, if it's Nestea, it shouldn't surprise you, he is just that good

Too bad that only 1 foreigner remains
BuffaloSoljah
Profile Joined March 2011
United States31 Posts
June 03 2011 16:46 GMT
#31
this guy isn't looking ahead if he thinks ganzi mvp or nestea bomber are the most epic games we will witness in the super tournement lets look at a couple games that could happen in the future
Ro 8 MMA vs Ryung (imagine the mind games in that in house TvT) hype: battle for #1 slayers terren
Ro 8 Sc vs Alicia (nerd chills already)
Ro 8 Nada vs Nestea ( genius terren vs genius zerg sound interesting to u?)
how bout these semis MMA vs MKP (that good enuff for ur TvT fix sir?)
or how bout the possibility of a Sc v Nestea rematch in the round of 4 again u ganna miss that game cuz MVP got knocked out early...? i dont think so!
and the possibilities of epic finals are countless imagine Nada vs MMA hype sounds reminiscent of a boxer v nada game in BW to me any finals with nestea would be epic giving the "God of zerg" a chance of a repeat title and the 1st Sc2 player to receive the title of first bonjwa

all im saying is u should back up n look at the big picture their is still alot of big games left in the super tourney n tbh "IF" we "DO" see an Sc v Nestea rematch im sure this article u wrote will be void almost instantly no matter what else happens
headbus
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada173 Posts
June 03 2011 16:46 GMT
#32
This article is just full of whine. Could've done without it.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 16:48:08
June 03 2011 16:47 GMT
#33
hahaha. y'all don't get sarcasm much, do you? the tank stuff is intended jokingly

Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:00:35
June 03 2011 16:55 GMT
#34
On June 04 2011 01:35 Medrea wrote:
I can do without the siege tank whine in this article as it comes off as very very ignorant. Even a layman of SC2 can tell you positioning with siege tanks is pretty key, and not just the E key (this sentence in this article is downright silly and laughable).

Also I have no clue how enSnare and Revival was not the worst game. It was so bad the observer had to stop the game. The only reason I guess it wasn't mentioned was because the author wanted to whine about siege tanks more later in the article.

Good, if not a bit obvious, points about the brackets, what on earth is Alicia and MC doing in the round of 64?


I guess you don't get a joke when you see one. The siege tank stuff was extremely funny and a testament to all the completely regarded "let's run into a siege line and lose our army play" that we see constantly.


On June 04 2011 01:29 Greem wrote:
Nice review, haven't seen all matches , so was kinda cool read through. However it seems like you demand them to put manually and not randomly groups, so matches and specially finals will look more exited, after watching last GSL finals i can't say everything is ok, but neither should they "artificially" create a final between Nestea vs MvP or some other exited players. I think its more of a game problem, as many professional players mentioned, the game is just too volatile,the "best" player not always will win.


You seem to have completely missed the point of the article. He is saying there are players out there in korea that constantly show us good, high level of play. The reason Code S isn't showing this is because it favours players already in code S so heavily that it takes a real long time for these good players to finally get into a position to compete within Code S even though they are far better than the current competition.

It's the rigid structure allowing weak players to sit in there for an exceedingly long time. He's not saying artificially make create a good final. He's saying allow the actual good players to be at the top.

Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 03 2011 17:15 GMT
#35
I don't understand how there's so much discussion over who "belongs" in code S. As long as players keep winning, they're going to get there and replace players who aren't winning in code S. Those who can consistently beat the best in Korea deserve to be counted among the best in Korea, even if they do it through cheese (see Rain).

That said, the GSL point system gives almost no credit to code A, so using pure points to seed players is stupid. Not exactly sure how the bracket was created, but it clearly can be done better, even if that means sacrificing some of the mathematical precision.
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Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:23:13
June 03 2011 17:15 GMT
#36
To be fair, i think the Bomber vs Killer game was just a massive troll by Bomber. When he crushed Killer's counter attack he had the game basically won. He had more mining bases and more production.

As for that "possible moment Bomber could've thrown the game at 40 min" He had all the economy in the world with enough mules that were worth 100 scvs, while his opponent was mining on a single base with like 15 probes. He overstimmed on purpose, come on... He even put all his stuff in a vortex with some archons and high templars laying around just taunting Killer to crush it so He could instantly remake full health marauders with his like 25 barracks.

I just feel like Bomber had it completelly under control after the 20 min battle, and was just trollin.



I also feel like Nestea's ratings are unfair ;> In game 1 and 3 any other zerg would've gotten a 5, but since it's Nestea you expect him to be able to do something like that.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:25:07
June 03 2011 17:22 GMT
#37
I agree that GSL could find a seed system to avoid some Nestea Bomber or Alicia MC situations, and at the same time including rising talents like DRG in the system faster.
But to elaborate such a system without any arbitrary decision involved is extremely hard. In fact, I'm not even sure it is possible.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
June 03 2011 17:26 GMT
#38
On June 04 2011 02:22 MrCon wrote:
I agree that GSL could find a seed system to avoid some Nestea Bomber or Alicia MC situations, and at the same time including rising talents like DRG in the system faster.
But to elaborate such a system with any arbitrary decision involved is extremely hard. In fact, I'm not even sure it is possible.

They can use the math to find the best x number of players, then seed them using the numbers and their knowledge of the players' trends.

Kinda like the NCAA tournament, where points rankings are the RPI/AP ranks (yeah, I know, sorry about the sports analogy).
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elsemyano
Profile Joined February 2011
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 18:43:57
June 03 2011 17:27 GMT
#39
On June 04 2011 01:10 Vorlik wrote:
I don't see how Ensnare vs Revival game 2 wasn't the worst. Bomber vs Killer was far better than that game. I hope for whoever doesn't have time to watch all the games looks at the LR threads' polls instead of these. I realize theres tons of games so in-depth analysis is unrealistic, but I don't see a point to half-assed ones either. Just a rating would suffice for those(which was done for some). "hint:ensnare sucks at starcraft" isn't exactly helpful. Thanks anyways.


I agree. I couldn't watch all of the matches, but the descriptions of the ones I did see aren't entirely accurate. Game 3 of Huk vs San wasn't San seeing a 4gate and thinking he could hold it with DT's (come on...). It was Huk doing the same exact opening he did in game 2, feinting either blink or DT's again, and San responding with his own dark shrine. After denying further scouting, Huk caught San off guard with his 4gate and won. Deserves more than a 0/5 IMO...
tw!tch
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States563 Posts
June 03 2011 17:27 GMT
#40
I agree with so much of this thread, I wasn't a big fan of the games either. I DID like the HOTS interviews in the RO32 to break up the monotony. Maybe GOM is aware the seeds were so silly.
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
June 03 2011 17:27 GMT
#41
On June 04 2011 02:22 MrCon wrote:
I agree that GSL could find a seed system to avoid some Nestea Bomber or Alicia MC situations, and at the same time including rising talents like DRG in the system faster.
But to elaborate such a system with any arbitrary decision involved is extremely hard. In fact, I'm not even sure it is possible.


How could DRG even stand a chance of entering if he hasn't ever managed to qualify to code A? Unless they just invite you, but then there's other players like Yonghwa on the same skill level that would also have to be invited.

Yeah, I dont think it's possible A shame tho. They just need to stop screwing up on their qualifiers.
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 17:34:02
June 03 2011 17:32 GMT
#42
On June 04 2011 02:27 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2011 02:22 MrCon wrote:
I agree that GSL could find a seed system to avoid some Nestea Bomber or Alicia MC situations, and at the same time including rising talents like DRG in the system faster.
But to elaborate such a system with any arbitrary decision involved is extremely hard. In fact, I'm not even sure it is possible.


How could DRG even stand a chance of entering if he hasn't ever managed to qualify to code A? Unless they just invite you, but then there's other players like Yonghwa on the same skill level that would also have to be invited.

Yeah, I dont think it's possible A shame tho. They just need to stop screwing up on their qualifiers.

Yeah that's exactly what I'm saying.
The OP says that GOM should find a way to replace players like anypro or junwi or other bad players with new talents like DRG faster. I said that it's impossible in a fair system. (but perhaps they can find ways to speed up the process a little, like awarding points for GSTL wins like suggested in OP, like DRG defeats check he gets 10 GSL rank point, but if he defeats MKP he gets 100 or something like that)
robin19999
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands246 Posts
June 03 2011 17:36 GMT
#43
Nice read, but there is a small mistake (maybe it has been mentioned already but I haven't read all posts). In the coca vs nada game you call coca junwi, maybe you could edit it.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
June 03 2011 17:37 GMT
#44
the seed was fair.

i prefer a seeding based in points, than a seed made by subjective and biased opinions.
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Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
June 03 2011 17:46 GMT
#45
This game really demonstrated how far Starcraft 2 is from reaching truly high level play.


This is starting to get annoying. Are you saying all the BW games are good? I read not long ago about a game where a pro player knew lurkers were coming and did terrible decisions like not get detection. Players, in every game, perform badly. Whether the game has been out 1, 10 or hundreds of years, there are bad performances and yes it sucks but can you not take every opportunity you have to hate on SC2?

Seriously BW play level is very high and terrible games happen all the time. Come on.
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Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
June 03 2011 17:50 GMT
#46
I see you didn't notice the switch in the brackets? Or actually, one of you did and one didn't. Please cover sC - Hyperdub and the other game that misses.
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sTsCompleted
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States380 Posts
June 03 2011 17:53 GMT
#47
Very good read, you guys make Starcraft news enjoyable :D
Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
June 03 2011 17:58 GMT
#48
killer-bomber appears to be there twice, spoiler brackets C and D
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tritonice
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 18:00:22
June 03 2011 17:59 GMT
#49
Funny, minimalist approach to the game summaries. Thanks for summarizing, what, about 80 games into that small a space. Must be hard to do.
aeoliant
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada361 Posts
June 03 2011 18:01 GMT
#50
some of the matches are repeated in multiple groups or have inconsistent information (different player names, or races)
Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
June 03 2011 18:02 GMT
#51
I can't help but agree that the GSL tier system is pretty terrible, but I don't think it's because it can't work. I think they just jumped the gun way too early, 3 months to somehow weed out the ranks is absurd to say the least.

They might have been pressured by fans and players who weren't completely wrong that the qualification process was fairly brutal and possibly a cointoss for some players. Seeing for instance a top 8 player get eliminated before a single televised match is pretty brutal... However seeing the volatile state of the game, they should have seriously limited the amount of seeds for people who get to a code S seat or get to keep their seats after every season.

However I don't fault GOM or it's structure all that much, since had they not created such a structure we would just be complaining that the games were bad for some other reason. (Luck in the qualifiers, random effects of seeding... etc... etc...)

Code S finals I mostly just blame the players. It's not like they like time or motivation to make it a good game even if it isn't the best players.

All IMHO
Too tired to come up with something witty.
CrisisNOOB
Profile Joined May 2011
United States39 Posts
June 03 2011 18:12 GMT
#52
I absolutely love how you guys made buttons for the 4 groups! Thanks for this awesome writeup
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colloidoscope
Profile Joined May 2011
United States15 Posts
June 03 2011 18:35 GMT
#53
I get the feeling that you're more against GSL than you are for it. =/
rave[wcr]
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1166 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 18:38:38
June 03 2011 18:38 GMT
#54
pfft. best terran in the world bomber? u gotta be kidding me, he only won one bo7 vs mvp--he hasnt accomplished much. Mvp is still best yo.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
June 03 2011 18:41 GMT
#55
Your perspective of TvT and tank use is very ignorant. The uses/ abuses of the tank have not even been fully explored in TvT. Its not as plain and simple as Turtle and wait.

Personally i build very few vikings in TvT. Rather I mech, and with all the extra minerals i spam orbitals for scans. the relocation of gas to tanks and thors results in a bigger ground army with better upgrades most of the time. I often move my hellions forward in a spread to tank shots while my Tanks move up and siege. I also employ nukes that force unsieges. TvT can be more active it just takes more actions. By constantly pushing the tank lines back you can expand more and prevent you opponent from expanding himself.

Your example was just a !@#$ game.
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Tfunk
Profile Joined August 2010
United States45 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 19:19:44
June 03 2011 19:18 GMT
#56
I completely agree, the disappointing format of the GSL tournaments really suck. Since the first open season it's just been getting more and more lackluster.

But wow, I didn't know people still cried about tanks? That's more laughable than most of the super tournament games.
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Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
June 03 2011 19:19 GMT
#57
"It's the Seeding, Stupid" didn't add up for me.

It's one thing to have a round of 32 featuring Keen and jookTo, or HongUn and Revival. But this week, two of the most exciting terrans in the world went home, as MMA played SuperNova, and MVP played GanZi. Only one of four of the best terrans in the world will make the super tournament round of 16. And most bizarre of all, the super tournament's second round presented a choice between either the best zerg in the world in NesTea, or the world's best terran in Bomber. That's a match-up that blows every single GSL final out of the water any day of the week, and yet we saw it in the round of 32.


I don't really understand this at all. The point of having a tournament is that we don't know what the results will be in the end.You know that old phrase "that's why they play the game" ? If all we wanted to do is make sure that finals consisted of whoever the author thinks are the best players, then we could just have a show match and save a lot of time and complaining.

So sit back and enjoy the replays of NesTea against Bomber, MVP and GanZi, and SuperNoVa and MMA. Chances are, it'll be the toughest match either of these players have on their way to the championship.


This too. If the tournament is so stacked at the round of 32, then why won't there be good players in future rounds? Does the bench get to play when the tournament is half way over or something? I just don't get it.

Part of the problem is that the writers don't fully advance their arguments and leave a lot to be assumed. I think that it is mainly written for people who already agree or know exactly what you mean, because it doesn't go into much detail. But then sometimes the evidence is weird, like:

For two seasons now, we have seen the final four players in Code A play at a higher level than the final four in Code S. I can't believe I'm making this argument again. Of the top eight Code A players in May, six of eight advanced into the next round.* Of the top eight Code S players in March, five of eight advanced into the next round.* These players are the new generation, the players who are defining the Korean scene in 2011.


One more person from the top 8 of Code A than Code S advanced in this tournament, so the top 4 of Code A are usually better than the top 4 of Code S in any given GSL? What?


*I'm assuming "next round" means of the super tournament just because the article is about the super tournament, but it doesn't really say.


Furycrab
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada456 Posts
June 03 2011 19:21 GMT
#58
On June 04 2011 03:35 colloidoscope wrote:
I get the feeling that you're more against GSL than you are for it. =/



He's been a writer for TL for a significant amount of time, meaning he has done and has been involved in a lot more content than most of us, so his standards and expectations are higher than most TLnetizens today. His opinions might rub people the wrong way, but I actually like how this article is written, doesn't try to point to any elephants* and still is very informative and I know where to go if I want to see good games.


*Yes I went there.
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Lord_J
Profile Joined April 2011
Kenya1085 Posts
June 03 2011 19:23 GMT
#59
On June 04 2011 00:53 vnlegend wrote:
Eh these game analysis seem very poorly done. You probably just skimmed through the games.

MMA vs Lyn. MMA had 3, or 4?, hidden sieged tanks above his main army. If you were Lyn, and scanned that army w/o knowing about the 3-4 extra sieged tanks, you would also think you could win that engagement.

MVP/Bomber vs Protoss on Taldarim altar. Clearly these top 2 terrans felt that they can't match Protosses' late game army. They said over and over again in interviews that if they lose an engagement, their army would be wiped out by Protoss's warp-ins. Creator's endgame army wiped the floor with MVP's just 1 game earlier. This is the reason both of them played so defensively and looked for the Protoss to make mistakes. The P's meanwhile were too scared or too behind to attack so it was a stalemate situation. MVP preyed upon Creator's mistakes by attacking him simultaneously everywhere, while Bomber eventually won by capitalizing on Killer's tactical mistakes.

There should be a better system to replace the old-guard in Code S but if they win during up/down and the better Code A players lose, who's to blame?


Yeah, I don't want to be overly critical but it seems like the GSL coverage on TL lately is really... lackluster. I appreciate that people are willing to volunteer their time to do these write-ups (as much time as it takes to write two sentences about a game, anyway) and it's not ALL bad (the strategy of the week was a good read, and I thought treehugger's editorial about the GSL system was very well said) but a lot of the game summaries say so little that I wonder why anyone bothered writing anything at all. It would be nice if there was a little more analysis or at least enthusiasm.
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Taryssa
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1628 Posts
June 03 2011 19:23 GMT
#60
Haha you summed up my thoughts about siege tanks perfectly.


+ Show Spoiler +
With their ridiculous range, incredible single shot damage, absurd splash radius, and total lack of micro or attention required, tanks are stupidly overpowered mistake-punishing machines.
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
June 03 2011 19:37 GMT
#61
were tanks different in brood war -_- tanks are supposed to be powerful they dont make sc2 shitty, and tanks dont even work against protoss...
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10352 Posts
June 03 2011 19:37 GMT
#62
Common huk you can do it!!! :D
Took some time to read the March Madness thread this time around and it was very well writen and i don't think enough people read it. Good points.
Mother ships are awesome and the format of gsl is not.
I want to like how prestigious code S is but i cant beleive the people there actually deserve it.
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
m0nkeyknight
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-04 01:41:47
June 03 2011 19:52 GMT
#63
Been loving belshir beach, have had the silliest games on it.
Nice.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-03 20:09:31
June 03 2011 20:07 GMT
#64
My starting line was dealing with the fact that it's Bomber vs. Killer, and both have high expectations placed on them, it had nothing to do with brood war. Said differently, if both of these guys are considered the best of the best, then Starcraft 2 still has a lot of development to do.

As for the pictures, my laptop died about 3/4 of the way through so I had to finish the rest on my phone, I'm sorry about the lack of them >.<
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ShadowWolf
Profile Joined March 2010
United States197 Posts
June 03 2011 21:04 GMT
#65
On June 04 2011 05:07 confusedcrib wrote:
My starting line was dealing with the fact that it's Bomber vs. Killer, and both have high expectations placed on them, it had nothing to do with brood war. Said differently, if both of these guys are considered the best of the best, then Starcraft 2 still has a lot of development to do.

As for the pictures, my laptop died about 3/4 of the way through so I had to finish the rest on my phone, I'm sorry about the lack of them >.<


I agree with your disappointment. I actually popped up SC2 and started playing games vs. the AI with the VOD in the background waiting for some type of excitement to happen ( so I could rewind and watch it ). It wasn't until some time later I realized the vod ended and I had stopped paying attention.

Though, imo, Ensnare vs. Revival is probably the worst GSL series I've ever seen. While Bomber/Killer was pretty bad in terms of entertainment, it didn't remind me of watching one of those Bronze 1v1s that ( I think it was ) InControl put on.

To be honest, I don't feel bad about both Bomber & Killer having a bad series. Those things happen, but we know the players are good elsewhere. On the other hand, I wish MC could be declared the winner of the Ensnare/Revival series.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 03 2011 23:48 GMT
#66
There seems to be a lot of confusion from people about these articles. I can't completely speak to Wax's intentions, but it seems pretty obvious to me that he was being sarcastic. I think it's hilarious that people take themselves so seriously as to perceive his comments as balance whining. I hate to explain jokes, but... seriously?

And fine, you might have disliked one of the games of the week more than Bomber vs Killer, but that doesn't mean Confusedcrib was wrong for writing about it, hahah. Our intention was to write a game of the week feature, but none of us enjoyed any game enough to recommend it, so we wrote about our consensus worst game instead. And re: Ensnare vs Revival, as the source of the sarcastic comments about those games, I think they were much more entertaining than Killer vs Bomber, although clearly of worse quality. But Ensnare's openings in both games were highly effective and then Revival played conservatively and did well for himself in getting back in the game. I actually remember being pretty amused in the Bel'Shir beach game at the end, although it could've been delirium.

Finally, I think a handful of people are interpreting my article as suggesting that I would like to seed the tournament myself. Actually, that's correct, I'd love to have that power, but obviously I know it's not feasible. No, instead, I'd rather that there be one big tournament with levels of preliminaries like OSL or MSL. Have seeds in one tournament as opposed to this ridiculous three tiered system which prevents good players from taking advantage of their hot streaks or achieving the level they deserve at the time they deserve. My argument is that if the GSL system actually made sense, then the seeds in the super tournament would also make some sense.

Thanks for reading!
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StatX
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada343 Posts
June 04 2011 01:11 GMT
#67
Go Huk!
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
June 04 2011 01:18 GMT
#68
Great article, nice retrospective with good analyses and objective criticism after the excitement of the live commentary has died down.

I feel the brackets are all sorts of bad. Only Nestea remains of the previous Code S champions, the others being knocked out in games that's worthy of more than just RO64.

But fair enough, it's GOM's tournament to run and seed, I just hope they don't let many lesser players fluke their way to the later stages (like Inca did last time) and make for uninspiring games.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
June 04 2011 02:25 GMT
#69
Looks like someone got their assignments wrong, prob due to early schedule switch for MLG. Nestea/Cezanne and Killer/Bomber are done twice.
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Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
June 04 2011 08:36 GMT
#70
So do you guys actually watch the games or do you ask friends to vaguely describe them to you? My terrible silver friend Noah could describe these games in more detail to me. For example...

"Huge slugfest on Crevasse, with MVP giving up a rare loss in a long macro game."

You ranked the game a 4/5, but you described it as simply "Huge slugfest on Crevasse, with MVP giving up a rare loss in a long macro game."

My friend Noah would say "Dude it was a super long tvp I can't believe Creator beat MVP it was awesome man collossi and storm and shit".

Somehow, that's more informative than your post. Please please put more effort in the GSL recaps. Have you ever looked at the BW recaps? They embarrass that sc2 ones.
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CmdrDashy
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia62 Posts
June 04 2011 10:53 GMT
#71
On June 04 2011 08:48 tree.hugger wrote:
My argument is that if the GSL system actually made sense, then the seeds in the super tournament would also make some sense.


As you mentioned though Code s is kind of a joke. When i look at the Code s schedule i honestly see some of the groups not worth considering. Why would i even watch them? Group C and G from GSL May came to mind when i was reading your article. Apart from Losira who is a great rising star and one of the people lucky enough to get through the rigor that is the up and down matches, it was Code s "stalwarts" that never seem to be knocked down by the great players i see every week in Code a.

While i hated thinking about Huk or Jinro going down i kinda feel that if you are not capable of playing the best starcraft to be part of Code S then you deserve to be back in Code a. Huk v MMa was a bit of a polarising game. I wanted to see Huk back in code s but to lose MMa one of the best terrans in the world, the go to man for team SlayerS? It seems like a poor trade off.

While they can't prevent this sort of thing entirely a more fluid movement between codes would be more beneficial to the game. Not only would such a system benefit the Korean scene but it would also boost foreigner participation.Idra and others mention on SoTG that the partnership between the GSL and MLG was generally a good thing, but a place in Code a? A place in Code A atm is such a tough proposition. Moving to Korea with one best of three determining whether you are playing Starcraft for the next month or you are just practicing or seeing the sites. An easier flow between Code S and Code a would promote the best players while offering a decent chance for foreigners to break into the Korean scene.
Shaf
Profile Joined June 2011
3 Posts
June 04 2011 13:15 GMT
#72
IMO the mistake made in the "It's the seeding, stupid" rant is in the underlying assumption that the most desirable composition of Code S is of the players that have the most talent at the here and now. While to many that might seem logical and even obvious, it's not remotely ideal from the standpoint of the GSL or frankly any other league that is working to maximize their viewers, secure sponsorships, and grow e-sports in general. While it's all well and good to have the best talent at the highest levels securing the greatest prize pools all the time, there is much to be said for establishing known faces, and securing at least a modicum of stability at the top of the mountain while still allowing avenues for up-and-coming talent to rise to the top and replace those whose skill level has fallen off (or who didn't deserve to get to Code S to begin with). That's clearly what the 3-tier system is designed for, and is clearly what has been achieved. Code S is designed to be relative stable, Code A is designed to be chaotic as hell, and Code B provides the gauntlet to run before you are determined to be worthy to be seen on TV. IMO this duality (triality?) has been a major factor in the overall success of the GSL in general.

Still, this system, as recognized by the author, leads to difficulties in generating accurate ratings for something as open-ended as the super tournament is, and Ro16 matches where finalist-quality talent slugs it out are inevitable. That's not ideal, but it's hardly fatal to the tournament as a whole, and it's a pitfall that pretty much every other possible sporting event falls victim to as well. A top tier college basketball team might have their star player suffer an injury halfway through the season, barely qualify for the Big Dance, get some kind of 8-9 seed only to have their star return and provide an epic match against a true 1-seed that might determine the winner. An up-and-coming tennis phenom, unless they are literally winning everything they take place in, takes *years* to get to the top-10 ranking that most people can see he/she deserves by watching them, resulting in the same sort of dynamic in a great many tournaments. Pick your sport of choice; this is hardly unique to SC2.

I do agree with the author in thinking that the seeding of this Super Tournament was particular subpar and that reliance on results in a league weighted toward longevity is a weakness, but I don't come to the author's conclusion that this means that the GSL's (and particularly Code S's) weight toward longevity is some sort of fatal flaw. Weighing it toward GSTL results would provide different flaws (a superstar that is always facing snipers would find their seeding weighted against them and in the favor of the snipers), while introducing a subjective component carries its own baggage (college football, anyone? Also, witness the lunacy of NBA all-star voting).

At the end of the day you're never going to make everyone happy. Just as Blizzard approaches patching their game, I'd like to see the patching to the GSL happen gradually, with specific flaws being addressed with small changes that don't require a drastic overhaul, as drastic overhauls inevitably cause as many leaks as they plug. So far I think they're on the right track. The league is still very young and as it matures will iron out much of what is being complained about naturally.
RinconH
Profile Joined April 2010
United States512 Posts
June 04 2011 16:21 GMT
#73
Confused by this article.

Thought there were a lot of entertaining games in the RO64.

I'm curious why TL, which has to credit SC2 for it's recent success, puts out articles bashing SC2 so often.
Harmonious
Profile Joined December 2010
179 Posts
June 05 2011 14:29 GMT
#74
On June 04 2011 00:39 MetalSlug wrote:
Show nested quote +
If you're building tanks (and come on, if you're playing Terran, why aren't you building tanks?), press "E."


I hope you are being sarcastic, the situation you describe is very specific to TvT and has no value in any other matchup (arguably in TvZ but not as much as TvT). I applaud your effort on the writeup but i strongly disagree on your conclusion.


I think tanks are the best units in the game. Not because they are imba, but because they have an interesting mechanic. It is not without reason that TvT is one of the best matchups (at least for me). Tactics and strategy take on a new level of significance compared to the other match ups. Not that they aren't important, but it comes from TvT being mainly positional based. When tanks are in play at least.

And do they require zero micro? That is a stupid thing to say. No unit requires micro if you are not moving it. And position siege tanks well is not easy. And it is fun to do, which for me is the main point.
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
June 06 2011 00:22 GMT
#75
I know this probably may sound stupid, but what is difference in this compared to previous GSL leagues? Just the amount of players in it or something? Why is it 'Super'?
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mDuo13
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States307 Posts
June 06 2011 03:44 GMT
#76
On June 06 2011 09:22 SpoR wrote:
I know this probably may sound stupid, but what is difference in this compared to previous GSL leagues? Just the amount of players in it or something? Why is it 'Super'?

Instead of being divided into two 32-man Code S/Code A tournaments like GSLs 4-6, it's a single 64-man tournament with a larger prize pool. That is all.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36960 Posts
June 06 2011 06:57 GMT
#77
Minor typo in CoCa vs Nada

In Game 2, CoCa is referred to as Junwi
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aztrorisk
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States896 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-06 09:21:12
June 06 2011 09:21 GMT
#78
sadly, worse game of the week was the best game of the week.

Better than all those all-ins and short 20 minute games.
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Gracksaurusrex
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom171 Posts
June 06 2011 10:42 GMT
#79
There is an error, it says in the icons that Cezanne is a terran player,
when actually he is zerg
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 06 2011 15:48 GMT
#80
On June 04 2011 04:37 rickybobby wrote:
were tanks different in brood war -_- tanks are supposed to be powerful they dont make sc2 shitty, and tanks dont even work against protoss...



No, tanks were arguably even more powerful in BW. Players just didn't go bum da dee dum dum and go waltzing inside their range of fire.
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
June 06 2011 15:53 GMT
#81
Stopped reading at the siege tank whining

Pointless

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dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
June 06 2011 17:31 GMT
#82
What a ridiculous write-up, especially the last sentence. I wish these TL writers weren't so biased. Ganzi and MMA won't get to the finals. Nestea, probably. But the other two won't.
getdead3
Profile Joined April 2010
United States23 Posts
June 07 2011 02:03 GMT
#83
Will the Casting Archon be casting tonight for Huk?
Go big or go home
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 07 2011 02:31 GMT
#84
All we can hope for is a more competitive match than the most recent GSL final. But unfortunately . . . I think Treehuggers right on this one
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
stratmatt
Profile Joined April 2011
United States913 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-07 05:44:39
June 07 2011 05:43 GMT
#85
how does this even get past the editors? talk about terrible journalism. sarcasm and constant negativity is really lame and not at all interesting to read.
WR4TH
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States72 Posts
June 07 2011 22:16 GMT
#86
The only downside to tastosis going to MLG is that they are not casting the Super Tournament at the moment. Wolf has done really well in their absence but he's no tastosis.
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