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[MLG] Dallas Recap
April 7th, 2011 04:53 GMT
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MLG Dallas 2011 Recap By Lovedrop 2011 MLG Pro Circuit/Dallas Final Bracket | Final Standing Live Report Threads: Day 1 | Day 2 | Day 3 Replay Pack MLG Dallas Main Page Last weekend MLG Dallas came and left. It was an astounding affair leaving everyone, players and fans alike, a mixed basket of emotions. Throughout the weekend, the tournament was marred by technical difficulties. From unstable internet to stream crashes, MLG Dallas had its share of planning that went awry. As the days rolled on, players endured lag and viewers persevered through downtime to witness the largest international live SC2 event of 2011 thus far. And in that regard, they were not disappointed.
MLG Dallas brought us new faces, old foes, and reignited rivalries. In a short span of three days, over 250 SC2 progamers and aspiring players took the stage to round out not only a 256-man double elimination bracket, but also a separate round robin group stage. (That's a lot of games!). Some were left disappointed, while others took the opportunity to increase their level of play and of course, some left the competition with a huge banana grin on their faces.
Tournament OverviewMLG has stated over and over again that one of the perks of their new format is for the viewers to enjoy high quality games straight from the get-go. As advertised, pool play started and our seeded players began games whose quality is often second to none. Favorites from groups started out strong, but each pool began spiraling out of control as results began to flood the front desk. Rankings within groups soon had to be determined by head-to-head records and games won (thankfully no coin flip). Meanwhile in the main area of computers open bracket has also started, but had to be divided into multiple groups due to the fact that there were only 34 stations set up, and some were being used for pool play. Therefore, the first round of open bracket took almost 6 hours to complete. As each of the seeded players finished their three matches for the day, each began to slowly evacuate the building, getting some needed rest for tomorrow. Unfortunately for some and other open bracket competitors, their last match finished just short of 2AM. At the end of the day, only KiWiKaKi and SeleCT remain undefeated, and outsiders like HuK, HayprO, and NaNiwa have a long road ahead of them in the open bracket. TLO did not have an easy time in his group. The venue was definitely more empty on Saturday morning. Most of the seeded players were missing, as they were rewarded for their efforts the day before and not have a game to attend to until 5 PM. For the open bracket attendees, things were a completely different matter. The remaining contestants all vied for a RO4 finish, green-lighting their path into the group stage and guaranteeing a top 24 finish for the event. As 5 o' clock rolled around, HuK, HayprO, Mihai and NaNiwa won their respective spots in the next stage without too much difficulty. The marathon continues for these four players, as it is time for them to play 4 BO3s back-to-back to finalize group standings. During this stage, perhaps the juiciest match of the day came, and it was to no surprise. As announced on the speakers, horde of fans rushed over to the coresponding station, as IdrA v. HuK was soon to be underway. In the end, HuK's delusive concoction earned him a victory over his bitter rival. While HayprO and Mihai had a rough path through their respective group, unknowingly NaNiwa beasts through his group 8-0 to remain the only player to have yet dropped a game. The day ended much earlier than before, as the early rounds of the championship bracket has finished, everyone looked forward to championship Sunday. One of the most anticipated rematch. Championship Sunday started out nothing short of spectacular. An unfortunate draw gives Team Liquid a double teamkill by Round 5 of the losers bracket. As we narrowed it down to our last 16 contestants, none of those names were a stranger to anybody. NaNiwa continued to win game after game and he does not seem to be stopping any time soon. TLO triumphs over Tyler while HuK squeezes by Ret in our Liquid derbies, but by the time round 7 came along, only TLO remained in the competition for Liquid. IdrA had completed his revenge, taking three games from HuK to advance, only to fall to TLO's tricky play in the next round. SeleCT is handed his first loss from his own teammate, and his light-hearted humor within the games is adored by spectators. The top 8 comes from 6 different teams, a very impressive showing of diversity. NaNiwa enters the final as the clear favorite, having beat Kiwikaki earlier in the day. The fact that the final was a PvP enticed some jeer from the crowd, but no one can disregard the fact that NaNiwa was untouchable here at MLG Dallas. When all was said and done, here were our top finishers.
5 Things We Leave Dallas With
5. ReemergenceA new year begins and it is definitely the prime opportunity for players to start afresh. Some players have slowly fallen off the radar due to various circumstances and slumps, while others are waiting for the right time to shine. There is no other better place than Dallas to do so. iNcontroL, after being swamped with work outside the game, finished in his best ever SC2 tournament at 4th, a personal feat and that should quiet down the murmurs on his current form as a player. After finishing as the runner-up last year at MLG's inaugural SC2 event, KiWiKaKi has slowly slipped down the rankings. After finishing 2nd once again here at Dallas, it is clear that Kiwi is not going anywhere. Beneath that fearsome face is a gentle Protoss. (Or is it the other way around?) 4. Consistency is the KeyThe top placed finishers look eerily familiar to last year, as many of our returnees have once again shown why they're the cream of the crop. SeleCT (3rd), SLush (9th), TLO (5th), Socke (6th), and Drewbie (11th) are some of the best here in NA, and they continue their successful runs at live events. Proving that they did not have a lucky run through any events, all of these players have once again started strong and will look to further that lead as we head towards the next MLG. Nazgul going over the games with TLO. 3. Protoss, Protoss everywhereIn three out of four MLGs up until now, the final four has been three Protoss and one of another race. Cries of imbalance and broken mechanics echo throughout the weekend, and such strong sentiments will no doubt reach the desks of David Kim. Perhaps this is a prelude to a period of anxiety, as both camps sit impatiently to see what's going to happen to our warriors of Aiur. The period after a big tournament will be a true test to whether Blizzard can reaffirm their loyal fans on their direction of game balance. 2. BreakthroughDallas marks the start of a new season, and as such is a time for key players to begin to make their mark. FXOmOoNan is our number one cinderella story of MLG Dallas, making an impressive run from the open bracket to 8th place. On the way, his confidence was shattered by HuK, but in the end, he resiliently battled his way, eventually leapfrogged HuK by 2 places. FXOSheth's first MLG could have been better, but he earned invaluable points as the 17th placed finisher in the competition. sixjax.NRG.Mihai is also one of the contenders for best run, as his 18th place finish and RO4 open bracket accomplishment (guaranteed top 24 finish) is nothing short of spectacular. 1. Dignitas is The Team to Beat.With 2500 rank points split between their three players, Dignitas had the best showings here at MLG Dallas, and they are here to stay. NaNiwa is seemingly invincible, and SeleCT had a run just as smooth before running into his Protoss rivals. SjoW, smack-dabbed in the group with virtually the deepest amount of talent, came out fine and manages to snab a 12th placed finish. No doubt they will all return after such a fantastic showing and by then, we can only hope someone will be able to stop NaNiwa in his tracks. We hope. Two of the deadliest Terrans in the world.
Next: MLG Columbus !
We'll be back 2 months from Ohio to continue Team Liquid's coverage of MLG as it happens ! Stay tuned and thanks for reading !
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I'm really happy that Incontrol got a well deserved placing out of this event. I was doubting him as a player before this event but I have been impressed with his commitment and play. I just hope he can keep this up for NASL and the other tournaments throughout the year.
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I was afk all weekend, so I've been looking forward to this recap! Thanks for getting it up in such a timely manner, Lovedrop. I really love the "5 Things We Leave Dallas With" section, nifty! <3
Beneath that fearsome face is a gentle Protoss. (Or is it the other way around?) LOL hilarious
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Awesome recap! I missed some of the action so this was a good read. I will never forget that IdrA vs HuK series though, especially the hallucination game.
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Great job guys! Entertaining as always! Go go go Team Liquid =) Love the poster at the end =p Correct me if I'm wrong as I can't tell, but is it signed by the liquid members =O
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Great recap, glad it didn't get too focused on any Idrama.
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Great recap! I hope I get to go to Columbus. I'm pretty excited; it'll (possibly) be my first MLG event!
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOT happy to see everyone performing well, and players that got judge under the level of say an Idra, Whitera or Dimaga performing so well.
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IdrA v. HuK was soon to be underway. In the end, HuK's delusive concoction earned him a victory over his bitter rival. While HayprO and Mihai had a rough path through their respective group, unknowingly NaNiwa beasts through his group 8-0 to remain the only player to have yet dropped a game. The day ended much earlier than before, as the early rounds of the championship bracket has finished, everyone looked forward to championship Sunday.
Missing a hyperlink for HuK (paragraph found below TLO's picture)
A new year begins and it is definitely the prime opportunity for players to start afresh. Some players have slowly fallen off the radar due to various circumstances and slumps, while others are waiting for the right time to shine. There is no other better place than Dallas to do so. (P)iNcontroL, after being swamped with work outside the game, finished in his best ever SC2 tournament at 4th, a personal feat and that should quiet down the murmurs on his current form as a player. After finishing as the runner-up last year at MLG's inaugural SC2 event, Kiwikaki has slowly slipped down the rankings. After finishing 2nd once again here at Dallas, it is clear that Kiwi is not going anywhere.
Missing hyperlink for Kiwikaki (Paragraph at #5).
Great write-up! Congratulations to the winners.
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Great writeup. The "5 things we leave Dallas with" was spot on. Glad you acknowledged the loser's bracket hero, mOoNan. He won 7 straight games in the loser's bracket to get to 8th. Definitely one of the underrated stories of Dallas.
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Awesome write up. Naniwa's run was amazing 0_0.
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Team dignitas to sweep the season! ^_^
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Man, I thought the dude in the last picture was Jaedong when I scrolled through. Made me do a double-take.
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great article. thank you.
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On April 07 2011 14:28 Daozzt wrote: Man, I thought the dude in the last picture was Jaedong when I scrolled through. Made me do a double-take.
LMAO holy shiet, Jaedong repping Team Liquid!
predictions: Select to win the next event!
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"Consistency is the Key"
Such a bullshit idea. The top 16 players were guaranteed a top finish even if they lost every single game. It's impossible for them not to be consistent really since they walked into the top 20 on Friday when they arrived. If all those players had to venture through the open bracket I'd bet a handful of em wouldn't have made it. Not trying to take anything away from them, but that's the nature of the game.
We can all agree that huk is consistent if nothing else.
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On April 07 2011 14:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: "Consistency is the Key"
Such a bullshit idea. The top 16 players were guaranteed a top finish even if they lost every single game. It's impossible for them not to be consistent really since they walked into the top 20 on Friday when they arrived. If all those players had to venture through the open bracket I'd bet a handful of em wouldn't have made it. Not trying to take anything away from them, but that's the nature of the game.
We can all agree that huk is consistent if nothing else.
Watch the latest episode of SOTG.
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On April 07 2011 14:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: "Consistency is the Key"
Such a bullshit idea. The top 16 players were guaranteed a top finish even if they lost every single game. It's impossible for them not to be consistent really since they walked into the top 20 on Friday when they arrived. If all those players had to venture through the open bracket I'd bet a handful of em wouldn't have made it. Not trying to take anything away from them, but that's the nature of the game.
We can all agree that huk is consistent if nothing else.
I think TLO getting 5th position twice in a row is pretty consistent.
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Is there any link to the vods with commentary, cos i dont like watching replays.
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On April 07 2011 15:07 iKnowKungFu wrote: Is there any link to the vods with commentary, cos i dont like watching replays.
gotta wait till the trucks carrying the servers/vods gets back to MLG HQ(New York).
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Nifty update I was able to catch the replay on the stream of the final 8 but I was curious about all the rest as their stream was broken over the weekend when I actually had time to watch. Appreciate it Lovedrop!
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Wow they actually used a picture they took of me.
^^ Yay! Although I never got to meet Hot_Bid like that guy had promised. D:
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Finally, some Dignitas recognition. So sick of the EG this and EG that. One of best game ever was definitely the SeleCT v. iNcontrol g. 2 SeleCT does the same build all the time, eh? TLO's FE on Crossfire was also sick as hell. Good games!
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Sick to see a leftie (like me) dominate. Go Nani. Although Im not gonna jump on the bandwagon like alot of others. He caught fire sure, but I want to see him make another deep run before I become a big fan and start saying hes invincible.
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Dignitas Fightng !!! I generally am against toss players , but I'd have to differ in NaNiwa's Case ... wp ..
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On April 07 2011 14:48 zaii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 14:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: "Consistency is the Key"
Such a bullshit idea. The top 16 players were guaranteed a top finish even if they lost every single game. It's impossible for them not to be consistent really since they walked into the top 20 on Friday when they arrived. If all those players had to venture through the open bracket I'd bet a handful of em wouldn't have made it. Not trying to take anything away from them, but that's the nature of the game.
We can all agree that huk is consistent if nothing else. Watch the latest episode of SOTG.
Why? I feel like you should provide more information in your post.
I didn't watch all of it, but my recollection is that Tyler tries to make the point that people should be looking over a 2 year time horizon for placement in the MLG and that similar to the GSL, you won't have the top talent in the beginning.
However, isn't there a *lot* more turnover in the GSL than the MLG? There's 32 individuals, 16 of which go into the up and down matches right? I also question Tyler's bias given that he is part of the seeded group, even though he was on the brink of dropping out - had he actually dropped out, I feel he would be singing a different tune.
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I'd have liked to read more about Naniwa, his run up til the finals was phenomenal, unheard of. His overall record was astounding. Never seen anyone take a big tournament like this in such convincing fashion.
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No mention about cat or eagle which were the highlight of the online part of MLG?
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Nice read, as always 
and NaNiwa! What a beast.
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To me the whole event was ruined by the terrible network / broadcasting situation.
As mentioned on the SOTG yesterday they had some major scheduling errors for the players as well.
To take the IdrA - Huk into IdrA - TLO as an example: After the second clash between the two of the weekend and after all the drama from the first match IdrA was rushed over to play against TLO since they were running behind and had to make up time. I don't know about you guys but if it was me playing I would have had tons of adrenaline pumping and would have been super excited after a convincing win like that and would have needed at least 15-20 minutes to reset for the next match.
Another problem with Dallas as well was the group setup. iNcontroL sure is a pretty good player, but he would not have come out on top if he where in group A as an example. By winning his group he got pushed to the forefront of the tournament and then had less matches to focus on to get up there.
On a sidenote - Huge grats to NaNiwa for his amazing run.
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Thank you sir, now I finally get the system :D
And Naniwa is just awesome, unlike Idra's his acted overconfidence is just hilarious and you can see that he is a fun guy. And also a great player
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Great writeup, love how you put a spotlight on iNcontrol - he needs one.
But did you have to really take away from the player's acheivements by talking about what you personally believe to be Protoss imbalance? I'm all for opinions, but just because in 4 tournaments there have been a good number of Protoss at the top of the standings does not prove imbalance at all.
We should be focusing on the player's abilities and talents, not how their race is too strong and that's why they won - Naniwa going 23-0 into the finals shows that he was the best player in Dallas, regardless of race. He won because he was better, not because he played Protoss.
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The new Top 32 after Dallas with points, Naniwa the new #1 Seed.
1.Dignitas.NaNiwa = 1200 2. KiWiKaKi = 1000 3. Dignitas.SeleCT = 900 4. EG.iNcontroL = 800 5. Liquid.TLO = 700 6. aTn.Socke = 650 7. EG.IdrA = 600 8. FXO.mOoNan = 550 9. SLush450 = 490 10. GosuHuK = 460 11. ROOT-drewbie = 430 12. SjoW = 400 13. LiquidRet = 340 14. LiquidHayprO = 310 15. EG-Machine = 280 16. LiquidTyler = 250 17. FXOSheth = 210 18. Sixjax_Mihai = 200 19. Gret0rp = 190 20. Sixjax_ViBE = 180 21. qxc = 140 22. FXOpTiKzErO = 130 23. Agh_Antec = 120 24. Pain-User = 110 25. EG-LzGaMeR = 90 26. Sixjax_dde = 80 27. _ThisIsJimmy_ = 70 28. KingSpades = 60 29. Hawk248 = 40 30. Sixjax_CocoA = 30 31. KawaiiRice = 20 32. nkulunkulu = 10
http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/222074-starcraft-2-columbus-players-seeds-and-discussions/
Yea.. someone TLPD-ize this for me!
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Nice write-up!
I'm really impressed by NaNiwa's performance... wow, taking MLG with a 26-2 record after participating in the open bracket is just sick! Also, I'm really glad that iNcontroL did so well, not that I had doubts about his potential but with so much work outside the game...
IdrA also performed really well, the only zerg in Top-8 in fact... However, it'd be nice if IdrA didn't give me heart attacks as when he left against HuK and lost in the groups phase... I know he finally defeated him in the losers bracket (extended series) but... please, don't do it again 
Probably, the worst thing was TL teamkills in the losers bracket with TLO being the only TL member in Top-8. Go TL!
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nice recap I really missed a statement about follow.Grubby, as many of us were interested in how he is doing (according to the TL-poll)
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On April 07 2011 17:40 zaii wrote:The new Top 32 after Dallas with points, Naniwa the new #1 Seed. 1.Dignitas.NaNiwa = 1200 2. KiWiKaKi = 1000 3. Dignitas.SeleCT = 900 4. EG.iNcontroL = 800 5. Liquid.TLO = 700 6. aTn.Socke = 650 7. EG.IdrA = 600 8. FXO.mOoNan = 550 9. SLush450 = 490 10. GosuHuK = 460 11. ROOT-drewbie = 430 12. SjoW = 400 13. LiquidRet = 340 14. LiquidHayprO = 310 15. EG-Machine = 280 16. LiquidTyler = 250 17. FXOSheth = 210 18. Sixjax_Mihai = 200 19. Gret0rp = 190 20. Sixjax_ViBE = 180 21. qxc = 140 22. FXOpTiKzErO = 130 23. Agh_Antec = 120 24. Pain-User = 110 25. EG-LzGaMeR = 90 26. Sixjax_dde = 80 27. _ThisIsJimmy_ = 70 28. KingSpades = 60 29. Hawk248 = 40 30. Sixjax_CocoA = 30 31. KawaiiRice = 20 32. nkulunkulu = 10 http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/222074-starcraft-2-columbus-players-seeds-and-discussions/Yea.. someone TLPD-ize this for me!
So are all the points from 2010 cleared now?
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On April 07 2011 18:20 Pyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 17:40 zaii wrote:The new Top 32 after Dallas with points, Naniwa the new #1 Seed. 1.Dignitas.NaNiwa = 1200 2. KiWiKaKi = 1000 3. Dignitas.SeleCT = 900 4. EG.iNcontroL = 800 5. Liquid.TLO = 700 6. aTn.Socke = 650 7. EG.IdrA = 600 8. FXO.mOoNan = 550 9. SLush450 = 490 10. GosuHuK = 460 11. ROOT-drewbie = 430 12. SjoW = 400 13. LiquidRet = 340 14. LiquidHayprO = 310 15. EG-Machine = 280 16. LiquidTyler = 250 17. FXOSheth = 210 18. Sixjax_Mihai = 200 19. Gret0rp = 190 20. Sixjax_ViBE = 180 21. qxc = 140 22. FXOpTiKzErO = 130 23. Agh_Antec = 120 24. Pain-User = 110 25. EG-LzGaMeR = 90 26. Sixjax_dde = 80 27. _ThisIsJimmy_ = 70 28. KingSpades = 60 29. Hawk248 = 40 30. Sixjax_CocoA = 30 31. KawaiiRice = 20 32. nkulunkulu = 10 http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/222074-starcraft-2-columbus-players-seeds-and-discussions/Yea.. someone TLPD-ize this for me! So are all the points from 2010 cleared now?
Yea, Points are reset! The new rankings are now based on the Dallas result!
If Colombus follows the same format as Dallas and all the players attend, This should be the groups.
A: Dignitas.NaNiwa, FXO.mOoNan, SLush450, LiquidTyler, and FXOSheth
B: KiWiKaK, EG.IdrA, GosuHuK, EG-Machine, and Sixjax_Mihai
C: Dignitas.SeleCT, aTn.Socke, ROOT-drewbie, and Gret0rp
D: EG.iNcontroL, Liquid.TLO, SjoW, LiquidRet, and Sixjax_ViBE
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InControl, you are such a man-beast!
Good run in the MLG, sir!
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Some pictures, but only one of Naniwa.
Good all-around writeup but would have liked some more info about Naniwa and some information about how many games he had to play in order to come from the open bracket all the way to the finals.
Nice to see another swede come out and show his strenght =)
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On April 07 2011 13:53 Lovedrop wrote: FXOmOoNan is our number one cinderella story of MLG Dallas, making an impressive run from the open bracket to 8th place. On the way, his confidence was shattered by HuK, but in the end, he resiliently battled his way, eventually toppping HuK by 4 places.
Moonan 8th, Huk 10th... or did I misunderstand something?
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I didn't see inControl win any game that went passed 10 minutes...take that to mean whatever you want.
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There is a link at the top of the post to have it done automatically, though some of the names needed adjusted to match up.
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I dont understand people who say that incontrol proved hinself as a top player in this tournament. He won against TLO with cheese (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just does not mean much), defeated some average players and lost to good players. All in all that places him firmly in the 'average' bucket in my opinion. The fact that he got 4th place just illustrates how messed up MLG:s format is.
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Incontrol showed how powerful it is to finish first in your pool. I won't criticize his play because TLO really should have stopped it. Can't wait for Columbus!
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On April 07 2011 14:17 Torte de Lini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +IdrA v. HuK was soon to be underway. In the end, HuK's delusive concoction earned him a victory over his bitter rival. While HayprO and Mihai had a rough path through their respective group, unknowingly NaNiwa beasts through his group 8-0 to remain the only player to have yet dropped a game. The day ended much earlier than before, as the early rounds of the championship bracket has finished, everyone looked forward to championship Sunday. Missing a hyperlink for HuK (paragraph found below TLO's picture) A new year begins and it is definitely the prime opportunity for players to start afresh. Some players have slowly fallen off the radar due to various circumstances and slumps, while others are waiting for the right time to shine. There is no other better place than Dallas to do so. (P)iNcontroL, after being swamped with work outside the game, finished in his best ever SC2 tournament at 4th, a personal feat and that should quiet down the murmurs on his current form as a player. After finishing as the runner-up last year at MLG's inaugural SC2 event, Kiwikaki has slowly slipped down the rankings. After finishing 2nd once again here at Dallas, it is clear that Kiwi is not going anywhere.
Missing hyperlink for Kiwikaki (Paragraph at #5). Great write-up! Congratulations to the winners. Someone had already fixed the links but, I only TLPD the first mention of the player in a whole recap.
On April 07 2011 14:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: "Consistency is the Key"
Such a bullshit idea. The top 16 players were guaranteed a top finish even if they lost every single game. It's impossible for them not to be consistent really since they walked into the top 20 on Friday when they arrived. If all those players had to venture through the open bracket I'd bet a handful of em wouldn't have made it. Not trying to take anything away from them, but that's the nature of the game.
We can all agree that huk is consistent if nothing else.
Seeded 16 going into MLG Dallas were guaranteed a top 24 finish. The players I've listed had to do more than "lose every single game" to get to where they were.
On April 07 2011 16:34 Frankon wrote: No mention about cat or eagle which were the highlight of the online part of MLG?
It's a MLG Dallas Recap, not a "what meme popped up over the weekend" recap. (although it slightly skewed towards a live spectator POV)
On April 07 2011 16:55 KDN wrote: To me the whole event was ruined by the terrible network / broadcasting situation.
As mentioned on the SOTG yesterday they had some major scheduling errors for the players as well.
Yeah, on Saturday, I think the seeded players sat around for most of the day, only playing 1 match in the span of like 8 hours.
On April 07 2011 21:51 artanis2 wrote:
Moonan 8th, Huk 10th... or did I misunderstand something?
Fixed, thank you.
On April 07 2011 17:10 Barca wrote: But did you have to really take away from the player's acheivements by talking about what you personally believe to be Protoss imbalance? I'm all for opinions, but just because in 4 tournaments there have been a good number of Protoss at the top of the standings does not prove imbalance at all.
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I'm not taking away anything from our top Protoss finishers, nor am I advocating Protoss imbalance o_O
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Great write up lovedrop. teamliquid event coverage fighting!
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On STOG, the statement was made that TL.net really only covered the TSL in depth. That might be true, but the quality of this article is superb. Great job guys. Also, congrats to InControl for his great performance
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I have to disagree that questions about iNcontrol were put to rest. I'm a big fan of Geoff, but he beat 3 players; Slush, Mihai, and TLO. 3 players, and he get's 4th for it. He earned his spot by going 3-1 in his group, but it didn't seem like a very strong group.
Either way he's obviously a good player, and the players he beat are definitely good as well, but his placement doesn't really tell the story.
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On April 07 2011 22:06 UpHeaVaL wrote: I didn't see inControl win any game that went passed 10 minutes...take that to mean whatever you want. It means you missed my games vs slush, mihai and the final series with tlo.
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On April 07 2011 22:23 Workforce wrote: I dont understand people who say that incontrol proved hinself as a top player in this tournament. He won against TLO with cheese (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just does not mean much), defeated some average players and lost to good players. All in all that places him firmly in the 'average' bucket in my opinion. The fact that he got 4th place just illustrates how messed up MLG:s format is. I beat tlo as straight up as possible in the final series. Tlo would go on to beat Tyler, socke and idra.. Average? Slush took 9th beating other great players.. Mihai made it out of the open bracket beating DDe and others. Call me bad all you want but shut your mouth before You disrespect all the fine Players I faced.
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On April 07 2011 22:06 UpHeaVaL wrote: I didn't see inControl win any game that went passed 10 minutes...take that to mean whatever you want.
I guess you didn't watch any of his games then???
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On April 08 2011 00:24 Loophole wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 22:06 UpHeaVaL wrote: I didn't see inControl win any game that went passed 10 minutes...take that to mean whatever you want. I guess you didn't watch any of his games then???
Just the ones that were casted...I will take a straight up 100$ leaguesafe.com bet with anybody, that in NASL, iNcontrol finishes out of top 25.
All in good fun. Mr. Robinson it would be awesome if YOU took the bet! Gives you extra incentive and a bit of a story. PM me if you're in!!! 
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iNcontrol haters will find there way into any thread where his named is mentioned in a positive light. The only reason his group looked weak was because Painuser severely underperformed. People quickly forget that guy is a pretty beastly Terran who tore up a few MLGs last season.
Geoff did great, esp. for someone with massive commitments outside of the game. To call him and the players he faced "average" is just ignorant.
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Incontrol showed some excellent games this weekend looking forward to seeing him in NASL!
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AHHHHH FRONTPAGE PICTUREEEEEE
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Amazing article, very well written; except this excerpt:
3. Protoss, Protoss everywhere
In three out of four MLGs up until now, the final four has been three Protoss and one of another race. Cries of imbalance and broken mechanics echo throughout the weekend, and such strong sentiments will no doubt reach the desks of David Kim. Perhaps this is a prelude to a period of anxiety, as both camps sit impatiently to see what's going to happen to our warriors of Aiur. The period after a big tournament will be a true test to whether Blizzard can reaffirm their loyal fans on their direction of game balance. This is a very bold statement and I don't agree with it. Nonetheless, I understand and I respect the fact that the content of this article is at your own discretion. (did I get this right? Hopefully you understand what I mean, english language is very tricky sometimes)
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MLG was awesome, and it would've been more awesome if the stream was up for the first 2 days  Oh well, learning by doing I suppose.
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On April 08 2011 01:09 AlBundy wrote:Amazing article, very well written; except this excerpt: Show nested quote +3. Protoss, Protoss everywhere
In three out of four MLGs up until now, the final four has been three Protoss and one of another race. Cries of imbalance and broken mechanics echo throughout the weekend, and such strong sentiments will no doubt reach the desks of David Kim. Perhaps this is a prelude to a period of anxiety, as both camps sit impatiently to see what's going to happen to our warriors of Aiur. The period after a big tournament will be a true test to whether Blizzard can reaffirm their loyal fans on their direction of game balance. This is a very bold statement and I don't agree with it. Nonetheless, I understand and I respect the fact that the content of this article is at your own discretion. (did I get this right? Hopefully you understand what I mean, english language is very tricky sometimes)
I don't think the OP is complaining about Protoss, I think he's saying that other people are inevitably going to talk about Protoss being overpowered because 3 of the top 4 were Protoss players. Knowing the SC2 community I think it's certainly fair to say that people will talk a lot about it.
Also everyone get off iNcontroL's back. He performed very well. Hell, the two people he lost to were SeleCT and Kiwi, two of the three people who finished above him. He won a group with TLO, Slush, Painuser, and Mihai in it. Then he beat TLO again! It's just hard for me to fathom how anyone can criticize his performance or his play. People say he doesn't perform in tournaments and then he gets 4th at MLG and then people still won't shut up. Haters gonna hate though.
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On April 08 2011 01:28 S.O.L.I.D. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 01:09 AlBundy wrote:Amazing article, very well written; except this excerpt: 3. Protoss, Protoss everywhere
In three out of four MLGs up until now, the final four has been three Protoss and one of another race. Cries of imbalance and broken mechanics echo throughout the weekend, and such strong sentiments will no doubt reach the desks of David Kim. Perhaps this is a prelude to a period of anxiety, as both camps sit impatiently to see what's going to happen to our warriors of Aiur. The period after a big tournament will be a true test to whether Blizzard can reaffirm their loyal fans on their direction of game balance. This is a very bold statement and I don't agree with it. Nonetheless, I understand and I respect the fact that the content of this article is at your own discretion. (did I get this right? Hopefully you understand what I mean, english language is very tricky sometimes) I don't think the OP is complaining about Protoss, I think he's saying that other people are inevitably going to talk about Protoss being overpowered because 3 of the top 4 were Protoss players. Knowing the SC2 community I think it's certainly fair to say that people will talk a lot about it. Also everyone get off iNcontroL's back. He performed very well. Hell, the two people he lost to were SeleCT and Kiwi, two of the three people who finished above him. He won a group with TLO, Slush, Painuser, and Mihai in it. Then he beat TLO again! It's just hard for me to fathom how anyone can criticize his performance or his play. People say he doesn't perform in tournaments and then he gets 4th at MLG and then people still won't shut up. Haters gonna hate though. Why would people get off his back? (Apart from the reason no one should complain or whine on players and only be positive)
He's a bw foreign pro that a lot of people expect great stuff from (both because he does a lot for the community and because he sounds reasonable and intelligent when he discusses the game) and to say that the forth place would somehow be an answer to that is somehow diminishing his capabilities, as the "ones who don't get off incontrol's back" previously in this thread said, he didn't beat that many recently successful players to get to the 4th place and I don't even think its that outrageous to compare it to a zotac cup win - and there are a lot of players managing that.
I, personally, have higher expectations of incontrol than him not being on the first page of the TL-elo ranking, or at least the second page since he does a lot else for the community and it takes time from practice. (edit: I know it isn't a scientific proof of capabilities, but get my drift)
inc fighting!
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I am glad for InControl run, he is a player that impressed me when I watch him playing in top form.
Congratz to Naniwa!!! Really impressive performance.
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On April 08 2011 00:23 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 22:23 Workforce wrote: I dont understand people who say that incontrol proved hinself as a top player in this tournament. He won against TLO with cheese (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just does not mean much), defeated some average players and lost to good players. All in all that places him firmly in the 'average' bucket in my opinion. The fact that he got 4th place just illustrates how messed up MLG:s format is. I beat tlo as straight up as possible in the final series. Tlo would go on to beat Tyler, socke and idra.. Average? Slush took 9th beating other great players.. Mihai made it out of the open bracket beating DDe and others. Call me bad all you want but shut your mouth before You disrespect all the fine Players I faced.
I thought you beat some excellent players, so I don't know why people are griping about it. But if it wasn't for extended series, you would have lost to TLO 2-0 when you met him for the second time. Out of all the players, MLG's horrendous format and rules probably benefited you the most.
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I am very shocked and pleasantly surprised to see iNcontrol do as well as he did. However I am not sure how long that will last with a lot of his other priorities coming into play.
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I find it disappointing that TeamLiquid did not use this posting as a way to start an adult conversation about the necessity of LAN for the survival of SC2. Things cannot go on as they are, and MLG Dallas proves it.
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On April 08 2011 04:31 ptbl wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 00:23 iNcontroL wrote:On April 07 2011 22:23 Workforce wrote: I dont understand people who say that incontrol proved hinself as a top player in this tournament. He won against TLO with cheese (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just does not mean much), defeated some average players and lost to good players. All in all that places him firmly in the 'average' bucket in my opinion. The fact that he got 4th place just illustrates how messed up MLG:s format is. I beat tlo as straight up as possible in the final series. Tlo would go on to beat Tyler, socke and idra.. Average? Slush took 9th beating other great players.. Mihai made it out of the open bracket beating DDe and others. Call me bad all you want but shut your mouth before You disrespect all the fine Players I faced. I thought you beat some excellent players, so I don't know why people are griping about it. But if it wasn't for extended series, you would have lost to TLO 2-0 when you met him for the second time. Out of all the players, MLG's horrendous format and rules probably benefited you the most.
sorry for playing MLG
What the fuck is the point in saying "if it weren't for the rule in the tourney you played in X would have happened" ???
If the groups were ANYTHING like ANY other tourney EVER TLO would have been eliminated before getting to that stage and never would have beat me. No tourney does "group play seedings into final bracket" but HEY we don't bitch about that cause inc took first in his group.
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On April 08 2011 01:09 GildedAdonis wrote:![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/OuZG5.jpg) AHHHHH FRONTPAGE PICTUREEEEEE
this, imo, is the real victory at MLG Dallas. congrats GildedAdonis!!!! <3
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Very nice recap! Thank you very much. I will work my way through a lot of those MLG replays. Esspecially the ones of Select and TLO.
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On April 08 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 04:31 ptbl wrote:On April 08 2011 00:23 iNcontroL wrote:On April 07 2011 22:23 Workforce wrote: I dont understand people who say that incontrol proved hinself as a top player in this tournament. He won against TLO with cheese (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just does not mean much), defeated some average players and lost to good players. All in all that places him firmly in the 'average' bucket in my opinion. The fact that he got 4th place just illustrates how messed up MLG:s format is. I beat tlo as straight up as possible in the final series. Tlo would go on to beat Tyler, socke and idra.. Average? Slush took 9th beating other great players.. Mihai made it out of the open bracket beating DDe and others. Call me bad all you want but shut your mouth before You disrespect all the fine Players I faced. I thought you beat some excellent players, so I don't know why people are griping about it. But if it wasn't for extended series, you would have lost to TLO 2-0 when you met him for the second time. Out of all the players, MLG's horrendous format and rules probably benefited you the most. sorry for playing MLG What the fuck is the point in saying "if it weren't for the rule in the tourney you played in X would have happened" ??? If the groups were ANYTHING like ANY other tourney EVER TLO would have been eliminated before getting to that stage and never would have beat me. No tourney does "group play seedings into final bracket" but HEY we don't bitch about that cause inc took first in his group.
Don't usually agree with you (in things like making fun of other players and stuff)... but this time you are damn right... The traditional formats wouldn't even let TLO get to that point and overall you did great even if the format is this or that way -ANY player could've been favored or disfavored, the merit goes to the one who does things right-. People just need to stop being biased ALL the time with blind fanatism. Not that much of a fan Inc, but really, good job, and if needed keep shutting down people who thinks their "heros" must always win or top. Honestly, good job...
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Lol I had a blast at Dallas and was great to see all the players again after the ling break can't wait for columbus will be just as exciting !!!
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so happy for incontrol, hard working and well deserved
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3. Protoss, Protoss everywhere
In three out of four MLGs up until now, the final four has been three Protoss and one of another race. Cries of imbalance and broken mechanics echo throughout the weekend, and such strong sentiments will no doubt reach the desks of David Kim. Perhaps this is a prelude to a period of anxiety, as both camps sit impatiently to see what's going to happen to our warriors of Aiur. The period after a big tournament will be a true test to whether Blizzard can reaffirm their loyal fans on their direction of game balance.
Awesome recap. I feel like you could've avoided the subtle balance whining, but I guess none's perfect. As someone else said, leave the balance to blizzard, and focus on how great the players are. Trying to take away the win from Nani and Kiwi is pretty low imo.
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I personally liked the way that Incontrol was so humble when he lost and was very complimentary about his opponents, fair play to him
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Select, Naniwa, and Kiwikaki seemed to almost be in a league of their own. I don't only say that because of their top 3 finishes but because of how they dominated basically all of the field besides each other.
Hope to see some others close the gap in Columbus.
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On April 08 2011 05:07 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 04:31 ptbl wrote:On April 08 2011 00:23 iNcontroL wrote:On April 07 2011 22:23 Workforce wrote: I dont understand people who say that incontrol proved hinself as a top player in this tournament. He won against TLO with cheese (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just does not mean much), defeated some average players and lost to good players. All in all that places him firmly in the 'average' bucket in my opinion. The fact that he got 4th place just illustrates how messed up MLG:s format is. I beat tlo as straight up as possible in the final series. Tlo would go on to beat Tyler, socke and idra.. Average? Slush took 9th beating other great players.. Mihai made it out of the open bracket beating DDe and others. Call me bad all you want but shut your mouth before You disrespect all the fine Players I faced. I thought you beat some excellent players, so I don't know why people are griping about it. But if it wasn't for extended series, you would have lost to TLO 2-0 when you met him for the second time. Out of all the players, MLG's horrendous format and rules probably benefited you the most. sorry for playing MLG What the fuck is the point in saying "if it weren't for the rule in the tourney you played in X would have happened" ??? If the groups were ANYTHING like ANY other tourney EVER TLO would have been eliminated before getting to that stage and never would have beat me. No tourney does "group play seedings into final bracket" but HEY we don't bitch about that cause inc took first in his group.
Well in my eyes, my opinion and my observations you and TLO are sort of similar, you both got alot of potential, but you have yet to do something that solidify you as a major threat in the big leagues as of late. This MLG didnt prove neither to me, nor did it make me think NaNiwa is unbeatable or that toss is OP! :D, point is, I hope you keep improving and show me what you realyl can do. But untill you do, I cant agree with some people placing you as a top 10 player in the US.
I would love to be proven wrong tho, you seem like a hardworking guy and you deserve some major wins.
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Wow, what an outcome. Gratz to NaNiwa.
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On April 07 2011 16:03 Hold-Lurker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2011 14:48 zaii wrote:On April 07 2011 14:45 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: "Consistency is the Key"
Such a bullshit idea. The top 16 players were guaranteed a top finish even if they lost every single game. It's impossible for them not to be consistent really since they walked into the top 20 on Friday when they arrived. If all those players had to venture through the open bracket I'd bet a handful of em wouldn't have made it. Not trying to take anything away from them, but that's the nature of the game.
We can all agree that huk is consistent if nothing else. Watch the latest episode of SOTG. Why? I feel like you should provide more information in your post. I didn't watch all of it, but my recollection is that Tyler tries to make the point that people should be looking over a 2 year time horizon for placement in the MLG and that similar to the GSL, you won't have the top talent in the beginning. However, isn't there a *lot* more turnover in the GSL than the MLG? There's 32 individuals, 16 of which go into the up and down matches right? I also question Tyler's bias given that he is part of the seeded group, even though he was on the brink of dropping out - had he actually dropped out, I feel he would be singing a different tune.
At most 8 new players can upgrade from Code A to Code S in one season, if they win their up&down matches. It's actually pretty close to the same amount of turnover as MLG.
In MLG, the top 16 points players are seeded into the pool stuff - "Guaranteed top 24/top 32 finish" doesn't mean much when you need better than that to have security.
Edit2: Guaranteed top 24 finish is kinda representative of "you can only drop out of the top players at this speed" - If you fail to perform at 1 MLG, ok. You still have some points. If you fail to perform at 2... your position is looking really poor indeed... more than that, hope you like running the open gauntlet.
Not too dissimilar to what happened to MVP in code S - he failed to perform not once but twice and winds up in Code A.
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Holy crap Naniwa was a beast. Glad to see TLO having an impressive finish and taking out IdrA.  Best game was IdrA vs Huk. + Show Spoiler +Losing to a hallucinated army... gutted. 
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One zerg =(
Idra fighting!
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This MLG was the least enjoyable tournament I have seen in ages. Reasons being: 1) Crap organization (yeah, I am one of those idiots in Europe whe havent slept for nights to see games with my HQ ticket... I saw "We will be comming online soon" for 90% of that time) 2) Stupid system of matching players 3) Imbalance everywhere. Im am not whining, but do your statistics and maths revision and go over the results from last major tournaments. Point 3 reinforces my belief that the game is no longer enjoyable to play if you are a zerg; and it is not enjoyable to watch if you have a sense of decency. Lack of innovation, matches looking exactly one like another simply because "skill" has ben reduced to "build orders" and "hard/soft counters". This is just my opinion, don´t feel free to insult me or other likeminded people because of it. However, if you remain polite, I am looking forward to see your answer.
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