EPT[GSL] Liquid`Jinro / EG.IdrA Ro8 Foreigner Special - Page 4
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On January 20 2011 10:19 GumiBearz wrote: I won't lie, I was very disappointed in this matchup. It seemed to me that staying up at 3:00 am was not worth seeing terran or zerg cheese. Honestly if i wanted to see how a person would cheese, I could just go ladder. I'm hoping for a more macro game rather than all-in's all the time. I dont know if it was necessarily cheesy. The first game went fine decent macro from both players, some engagements were questionable but it was okay. The 2nd game on metalopolis wasnt necessarily an all-in cheese. Idra just chose to rage quit, he definitely could've made it interesting if he tried a strong one base / nydus / push even being far behind. At the level of play with those stakes he should have at least tried something to catch Jinro offguard. 3rd game went well again, Jinros push along the bridge on Shakuras was well played. Idra just couldnt secure a good position for a win. 4th game was "cheese" most Zergs know taking a 3rd on Basin is extremely difficult and just like in the ro32, Jinro followed up with the same 2 rax expand build. Idra cant play a macro game on basin so 6pooling was his only option. So dont be disappointed in the games, cheese or what not, it all viable strategies. ie. Look at MKP vs NaDa.... Base trading and marine all in's? | ||
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GumiBearz
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I dont know if it was necessarily cheesy. The first game went fine. The 2nd game on metalopolis wasnt necessaryily an all-in cheese. Idra just chose to rage quit, he definitely could've made it interesting if he tried a strong one base / nydus / push And where would Idra get the required resources to get a nydus and a large enough army in that short of a time? That's also without Jinro attacking for at least 5 more minutes. Yes it wasn't necessarily all-in because terran can still afford to keep going without losing many resources (thanks to salvage) and honestly, a zerg on 1 base can never go into late game macro. What you're saying is the "ideal" situation of zerg, but i highly doubt any terran let alone Jinro will allow a zerg player to macro back up and just stay idle at his/her base. ]Most Zergs know taking a 3rd on Basin is extremely difficult and just like in the ro32, Jinro followed up with the same 2 rax expand build. Idra cant play a macro game on basin so 6pooling was his only option. So dont be disappointed in the games, cheese or what not, it all viable strategies. I'm not sure about Idra's case (since i honestly don't watch that many Idra games) but if it was me who got "cheese'd" on international television twice, I really would want to get revenge and cheese back, but idk about Idra, that's just my opinion. Many people (mostly Jinro fans) would be happy with this outcome and won't mind staying up till 3 am to see this, I, unfortunately, am not one of those people. I play protoss (not zerg or terran) so i'm not just saying this 'cus i favor Idra more, I'm saying this to express my opinion on the game. Sure you may think its a viable strategy, but I'd like to think of it as an unoriginal, common strategy at best. Ladder a bit more, and you'll see these kind of stunts everywhere. Again, this is just my opinion, I'm not stating that terran or zerg is OP at all, I'm just saying that it wasn't worth losing sleep for. >.> | ||
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On January 20 2011 09:26 Hot_Bid wrote: I think the point is, double bunker going up puts you way far behind while using 1 drone to stop it only puts you a little behind (however many minerals the drone would mine for that time). Patrolling one extra drone is not a guaranteed loss at all, you make it out to be some sort of hugely game altering thing. putting 2 bunkers will get the Terran behind if you compare to the zerg having a drone patrolling the ramp, but the Zerg will be far behind with his delayed hatch. I don't agree that it shows that the game is in awful state, it was idra's fault for not having a drone there. I think that idra should have started with hatch before pool, I don't understand why he opted for pool first, its worse for everything: for early defense and for macro game. maybe he was thinking in going baneling all-in or something unothordox... I'm pretty sure I saw idra winning a game after getting bunker rushed like that in xel nagas caverns. MLG dallas, IIRC. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2717 Posts
On January 20 2011 09:18 Tennet wrote: Did anyone else think of this + Show Spoiler + That's exactly what came to my mind, too. ^^ | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
On January 20 2011 10:04 Zim23 wrote: Plus Jinro was hiding a second SCV anyway, so if IdrA was patrolling a drone that second non mining SCV would have been a complete waste for Jinro thus making them even. Patrolling drone is totally worth it. the thing is that zerg has to put themselves behind to prevent stuff. if the stuff wasn't planned they're behind for no reason. a zealot on hold position and a supply depot up, doesn't hurt your economy nearly as bad. that's a slight version of imbalance imo. also, (somebody already mentioned that) if it fails, they're not punished. they regain 100% of the minerals and the enemy looses at least some mining time. edit: btw nice writeup! | ||
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