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[GSL] Liquid`Jinro, EG.IdrA - S3 Ro32 Foreigner Sp.
December 2nd, 2010 05:14 GMT
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GSL Season 3 Ro32 Foreigner Special: Liquid`Jinro and EG.IdrA
By Xxio, Lovedrop, and Hot_Bid
T12 Game 1 - Scrap Station Z2
+ Show Spoiler [Show Recap] +Moon opened with a 10 extractor trick into fast expand while Jinro placed his first barracks at his choke and with an early gas, made a reaper as his first unit to poke around Moon's bases. Starting his 2nd gas at 15 food and expanding with 1 just unit as his factory finished, Jinro was looked to be in a very advantageous position, his barracks and factory creating a solid wall-in. As Jinro continued his build with a starport, Moon droned up and was well on his way to lair tech. However, Moon did put a halt to his drone production to make 16 zerglings, all of which were entirely useless in the early game.
A spire was made immediately after lair finished and 9 mutalisks popped. It looked like a bit of a scary situation for Jinro who was light on marines and reliant on his siege tanks to hold his choke, but of course, the Swedish Terran's timing was impeccable. Missile turrets at his main and natural finished right on time to repel the mutalisks, with not a second to spare.
Jinro had more than enough units to keep his defence tight when he took his third. At 140 food Jinro's macro game was starting to snowball out of control. Moon became increasingly frantic with his units, destroying the rocks between their bases and darting all over the place, trying to find an opening and catch Jinro out of position. At this point it was clear that Moon was unprepared for this steady, patient macro game. In what looked like a very panicked attack he barrelled his entire army down the narrow corridor between their bases. This was perhaps the worst attack angle he could have picked. All of Moon's ground units swarmed right into the reaches of Jinro's siege tanks and were munched up like m&ms. Jinro's entire marine force survived and Moon limped back to his side of the map. Though his mutalisk count was largely unharmed Moon lost over 40 food in the attack, opening the window for Jinro to siege push his way and down to the gold, giving his marines the cover they needed to attack the expansion. It was a hard fought back and forth battle, and though Moon had 4 bases to reinforce with, Jinro's macro was too steady and unwavering. Moon's food count jumped up and down as he rallied units to the south of the map but eventually the gold did fall.
As Jinro took his fourth he pushed across the middle of his map, always keeping his marines in the cover of his siege tanks, until Moon had no choice but to attack the Terran head-on with his remaining units. Upgraded siege tanks and marines shredded everything to a slimy goo and Moon, at 80 food, tapped out.
Jinro constructs a wall at a more pivotal point on the map, a much smaller choke compared to the original ramp. A Protoss Blistering Sands logic, the two buildings block the front entrance to the base, making the base effectively larger and the only accessible entrance is via the rocks. Jinro breaks down his own natural rocks to make it more defendable, and the tanks on the ledge at his blocked front entrance are another key to a successful wall. The downside to this is a larger area he would have to cover. With the reaper and early viking, small jabs at Moon’s attempt to maximize his economy slowed him down enough in order for Jinro to start producing units. Jinro utilizes the time perfectly to have tanks to fend off the zerglings, and a thor with well-placed turrets to deny any sort of mutalisk harass. Zerglings denied at the front, mutalisks denied at the back. As Moon breaks down the rocks, Jinro kept his units in the middle and fortify that entrance with bunkers and tanks, while staying on his toes for an attack on his newly placed third. The attack eventually comes from the rocks and the tanks deal a huge blow to the banelings. Moon's bullheaded approach backfired. Jinro is ready to break out of his shell and with all his marines intact. Jinro moves towards Moon’s gold, and the upgrades are paying off as marines are just plowing through roaches and mutas. Moon’s mistake to get upgrades for his mutas are coming back to haunt him. Moon lacks hive tech to deal with this massive Terran late-game army, and he could not overcome a maxed Terran army. Jinro took full advantage of Moon’s bad timing and judgment. A critical mass of mutas would’ve harassed more successfully against thors and stationary turrets, forcing Jinro to relocate. Jinro had no problem defending a head on attack, and each attack further pushed him into the lead and eventually takes the game with ease.
T7 Game 2 - Xel'Naga Caverns Z1
+ Show Spoiler [Show Recap] +Moon 14 hatched once again, which would have been a great decision if Jinro was going for the same style of play as before, but in this case Moon's FE played right into Jinro's hands. Opening 1 barracks immediately followed by a factory, Jinro pumped marines until his first hellion finished. With four marines and a hellion Jinro took the Zerg by surprise, pushing right into Moon's natural and forcing him to make nothing but zerglings for over a minute, even supply capping the Zerg when he catching an overlord out in the open. Well over 20 zerglings were made, 10 of those killed by the hellion alone.
Back in Jinro's base, his 2nd command centre was already finished, reactors were being thrown up on his barracks, and a banshee was about to finish. To Moon's credit, he bounced back very quickly from such an economically devastating situation. It looked like Moon might have been planning a baneling bust, however, the aggression and map control that Moon's zerglings gave him was short lived. As soon as Jinro's banshee came out Moon was pushed back to his base, cooped up and ready to defend, exactly the passivity Jinro needed while securing his natural. As soon as Moon's mutalisks popped the 'ball', as Day[9] would say, shifted back into Moon's hands, his 9 mutalisks, as the banshee did, keeping his opponent back in their base.
Confident in his macro game, Jinro took a very fast third at his gold, positioning his army in the middle of the map and giving him a jump point to consolidate his army and attack the Zerg expansions. Drops, siege tank pushes, and counter attacks whittled away at Moon as he lost expansion after expansion to Jinro's insane macro and multitask. Though Jinro's fourth was counter attacked and killed off more than once, the base trading game went heavily in his favour. By the end of it, Moon was long distance mining with only a group of mutalisks to defend. It look one, final attack from Jinro to sweep the series 2-0 and secure his spot in the round of 16.
Instead of opting for two barracks play, Jinro attacked with the first hellion and four marines. Moon’s forced zerglings made him play catch up in a high econ build, and the five units of Jinro killed twice the amount of minerals he paid. Moon decides to go for a baneling attack, but against Jinro who has been teching, it wasn’t a wise choice. Absolutely nothing is going right for Moon, his banelings and hidden expansions are both discovered by the careful Jinro. Jinro refuses to stay on two base and grab a quick third, a brilliant decision as he is far from any dangerous attack. Moon makes an absurd amount of mutalisks compared to the first game, but does not utilize them to harass very efficiently. Heavy damage for just one thor. Jinro made sure to not fall off the macro game with Moon, consistently keeping up with food count. Jinro begins the hunting down expansions, starting with the 4 o’clock while Moon attacks the front. Moon and Jinro consistently try to deny each other expansions, but Jinro does a better job at sending his marines everywhere. Moon’s mutalisks are scary in number, but Jinro knows that the army trade favors his less expensive units and continues dwindling down Moon’s mutalisks number. Base trading clearly favors the Terran. Moon cleverly sets up landmines to protect his expansions somewhat, but he cannot defend them as Jinro continuously shuts them down before they can get up and running. Jinro eventually starve Moon into submission.
Check out the interview below with  TLAF-Liquid`Jinro hours after he passed into the Ro16!
TLAF-Liquid`Jinro Ro32: The Aftermath Hi Jonathan, congratulations on advancing! Can you let us know what was going through your head immediately after Moon GG'd in the second game?Very little I think; after winning game 1 I had to stop myself from preparing winners interview answers already (I was so happy my gameplan worked so well), I think I was very blank for a while until I came off game mode. At which point I was obviously very happy =) Describe your gameplans for Games 1 and 2. How did you prepare for Moon? Were you doing well in practice? Who helped you out the most among the guys in the oGs-Liquid house?Hm, I really focused almost the full preparation time on Scrap Station. The first couple of days I was mostly helping Ret and Idra practice their maps, while thinking about all my maps and how to play them. I feel this still helped my mechanics a lot though, as the builds I was mostly playing against them were very straightforward 2 rax variations and what I did game 3 vs Drug. Then once their games were up, I switched to only playing my maps, focusing 99% of my games on Scrap, as I felt like winning in 2 was my best bet and this was the hardest map to overcome. The basic build I used is something I actually made before I went to korea, however back then the transition was into mech and it was just a bit too vulnerable as defending vs a combination of nydus, roach bust and fast muta AND doing ok vs eco builds was very hard with the limited scouting (no viking in that version). You won on the Zerg favored map Scrap Station.When I started considering what to do for Scrap Station, I realized that a viking would let me be safe vs a lot of things like nydus, and make the zergs scouting suffer. I was initially trying many different follow ups, for a while I tried to timing push, but I found I was getting too spread out when doing so and had problems vs main counters. Nazgul suggested I switch to a slower style, and in addition recommended I push towards gold instead of their central multi. I had initially felt that this would leave me too exposed, but after practice it turned out that it was actually the opposite, as the more protected road meant I didnt have to commit my full army at a single point. I probably played a 100 games on Scrap, 5 games on Xelnaga and 1 game on Blistering sands in preparation (not sure about actual numbers, but the ratio is something like this anyway) - I decided that my best bet for XelNaga was to just recylce my Jungle Basin build. The map isnt completely ideal for it, but as long as I was more careful I decided it would be acceptable. Were you excited about playing a War3 legend? Now that you know the results of the other matches, are you sad you won't be able to play Boxer? What are your thoughts on how you stack up against Polt?Not really, its just another player - hes a legend yes, but when Im in game mode I think of it as just another game  Moon played well but aside from the late game burrow banelings in game 2, he mostly just played a very normal macro zerg game. The banelings game 2 I wasnt entirely sure if they were allin or not, as he did semi-allin on that map in the first round, but I wasnt surprised too much by them. I'm fine with not playing BoxeR, it would have been a nice no-pressure match for me due to his huge legacy but playing someone underrated like Polt is fine as well. You are now the only remaining foreigner in the tournament. What are your goals now?To get code S. I always try to take it a game at a time, even though I set my goal as code S at the beginning of the tournament, I still approached it game by game. Once I'm code S, my next goal will be top 4, once I'm top 4, to get to the final, once Im in the final, to win it. What made you put on the beanie? The fans were loving it. Is it a beanie of good luck now? You're 2-0 with it on.My mother made it and sent it to me the other day. I didnt think I'd like the way I looked in a hat but I did, and Ret told me I should wear it so I did. There are only 2 days before your Round of 16 match, how do you feel about that? Are you going to mass practice these days?I wish there was more time of course, I'll just spend as much time as I can playing and watching Polts TvTs. I've played him before in the ladder, but it's been a long time now. We wish you luck in the next round, hopefully you can achieve your goals. Any last shout outs or words to your fans, especially those that made you those awesome cheerfuls?This one is awesome, and Crimson gave me the cheerful he made, the "Soju Day" one, so thanks for that. It's very nice. Thanks to everyone who helped me practice (Ret, Haypro, Luvsic, Luffy, Zenio, Losira, Jooktojung.... and anyone else I'm possibly forgetting). Thanks to Nazgul for helping me so much with the game plan for Scrap Station. He must have watched 50 replays or so of my games at least. Thanks to The Little Appfactory for giving me the opportunity to be where I am now, thanks to everyone in oGs and Liquid for the support. Thanks to my mom for making the awesome beanie (it arrived literally 1 day before this game), and thanks to everyone watching and supporting! Oh and thanks to Ggoma for buying everyone pizza and just being an overall really nice guy =)!
Z7 Game 1 - Blistering Sands T1
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IdrA vs. MVP, one of the biggest match ups so far in this season, began with a very aggressive build from MVP. The ex-BroodWar pro and top ranked player on the Korean ladder started with a 2 barracks marine push, but the map distance and a blind spine crawler kept IdrA's FE safe. Without missing a beat, MVP took his own expansion and began massing a bio ball for a second push.
Keeping his opponent in check with zergling scouts and overseers, IdrA safely droned up and teched, immediately researching baneling speed upon seeing the mass infantry play MVP was going for. A stim timing attack with a scary big group of marines and mauraders looked like it could have ended game, but IdrA, always skirting the edge of how many drones he can get away with, finished morphing his banelings just as MVPs units arrived at his choke. MVP lost a fair chunk of his army and was pushed back to his natural, but only to regroup. IdrA's 3rd, started as soon as MVP's attack had been repelled, was instantly scouted by MVP and he committed all of his units to making sure IdrA could not benefit from it.
His first small pushes were held off by a speedling/baneling combination but as soon as his first tank rolled out and sieged on the high ground, MVP's position could not be broken. IdrA scrapped together whatever units he could, macroing like crazy to keep MVP's bio at bay but the tank's splash killed too many banelings, giving MVP's marines the easy job of cleaning up the mutalisks and moving down to kill the hatchery. Knowing the game was over, IdrA gg'd.
IdrA does well to keep just enough defenses from holding off a possible two barracks push, while catching up in drone instantly. MVP’s first MM force pushing out with stim triggers banelings, but the engagement off-creep was a little disadvantageous for IdrA. Arguments can be thrown on either camp, as if IdrA had engaged on creep, the point of contact would’ve been near the choke, where a marauder line would simply stop the banelings in their tracks. Worse: what could've happened. MVP patiently pulls back after poking in the gold expansion, waiting for siege mode. IdrA placed an extra hatch at the gold, thinking to be able to reinforce much faster, but the hatch quickly becomes a liability as MMM begins raining down shells. IdrA made an ill-fated decision to move in, and the banelings get decimated by siege tank fire. Attacking from another angle would've been almost impossible, because IdrA would have to swing all units around up the ramp, a part where creep was nowhere to be seen. That attack effectively lost him the game.
Z1 Game 2 - Steppes of War T7
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Once again IdrA favoured a fast expansion. Of course, IdrA knew this was only welcoming a flood of early aggression, especially on Steppes. Indeed, despite a patrolling drone MVP was able to start two bunkers at the base of IdrA's ramp, walling in the first zerglings that popped. Despite what could have been a game ending situation IdrA kept his cool and with impeccable drone micro surrounded MVP's marines and scvs, trapping them for the rest of the zerglings in production. Quite quickly IdrA repelled this harass, his build barely holding out against MVP's 2 barracks aggression.
Like in game 1, as soon he saw his attack was going to be fended off MVP started an expansion of his own, however, unlike in the first game MVP built his factory at a more normal timing, opting to follow up his first attack with marines and blue flame hellions.
Two spine crawlers at his second ramp and a handful of speedlings and banelings were enough to push the Terran back for the second time and put IdrA in a position to take a 3rd. Despite losing a lot in the second attack MVP tried to keep map control with his hellions, but IdrA kept catching them with beautiful zergling surrounds.
Following up with mutalisks IdrA bottled MVP up in his bases, giving himself the breathing room needed to saturate his 3rd. Intense pressure from IdrA's mutalisks picked units off and forced more than one fruitless stim from MVP. At this point MVP hadn't touched IdrA's economy past the first couple minutes of the game, and his army was significantly smaller and weaker from his failed attacks and IdrA's mutalisk harass. IdrA was taking his 4th and MVP knew he had to do something. In an effort to take a piece of map control MVP pushed out to the middle of the map with a siege tank marine army. However, as soon as he stepped out of the security of his choke IdrA pounced. 40 food ahead of his opponent IdrA patiently waited, choosing the perfect positioning and timing before sending a wave of zerglings and banelings over MVP's army and picking the skeleton clean with his mutalisks.
IdrA looked seriously endangered when he was blocked in, but good focus attack on the bunker took it down. A dangerous situation. Shows how much IdrA has been preparing for such a scenario. MVP did well to deny IdrA the scout, forcing an extra spine crawler from him. The spine crawlers in turn however, help defended against the hellions, leaving IdrA’s economy to operate at maximum capacity. The hellions eventually stopped after the third wave, as each were surrounded and picked off by IdrA with minimal damage. The zerglings made it impossible to steer left, and the banelings swooped in to surround the hellions. MVP never looked to ever get back even on foot with IdrA again. Four bases to two, creep spread all over the map made it hard for Terran’s slow push to go unnoticed. IdrA positioned himself and threw two huge armies, the latter cracking MVP. The macro gods have not abandon IdrA. Part 1: Attack from a huge arc. IdrA took some damage to his food. Part 2: Magic box and eliminating all anti-air. IdrA took little damage to his food. Part 3: Profit. IdrA took no damage to his food.
Z6 Game 3 - Metalopolis T3
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Somehow, IdrA had managed to survive MVP's aggression on Steppes and take it to game 3 on Metalopolis, one of the best maps for a Zerg player. Lady luck was not on our Zerg hero's side however. Before scouting his opponent's position IdrA, for the third time, went hatchery first while MVP, also for the third time, geared up for a two barracks marine push.
In close positions it seemed impossible for IdrA to hold, but once again IdrA somehow managed to make the most of his drones and few zerglings, microing for his life to defend the natural while his spine crawler finished. Though initially held off, MVP was not about to give up on his attack. 10 marines quickly followed up the attack on IdrA's natural, only to once again be repelled.
Staved off, MVP took his expansion while, like in the first game, he continued to mass infantry for a stim timing push. Though banelings and zergling reinforcements were on the way, close positions on Metalopolis is not Blistering Sands, and IdrA simply did not have enough time to reinforce his army. It took a few seconds for MVP to reach IdrA's natural, and only a few more for IdrA to gg.
While the macro gods were in favor of IdrA, the positional gods have left him to out to die. IdrA looked to be in great shape after chasing away the marines long enough for the spine crawler to get up. Risky maneuver to uproot the spine crawler, but IdrA knew exactly what he was doing. A bold move to reinforce his defense. MVP is not done yet. A quick expansion into four rax, stim, and MVP is now ready for a timing push. The close expansion leaves IdrA little time to get banelings up. A quick scan and MVP marches in knowing how vulnerable IdrA is, and IdrA knowing how hopeless this situation is, taps out. Great timing by MVP. IdrA curses Junnka's rotten box.
Once again Hot_Bid provides us with the post-game interview! See what  EG.IdrA has to say about his games below.
EG.IdrA Ro32: The Aftermath Hi Greg, thanks for sitting down with us. How did you see your series vs MVP? You took a win on an very hard ZvT map Steppes and but could not overcome the difficult positions on Metalopolis.The Blistering game upsets me. I knew if I let it get to Meta it'd be a coinflip since vertical positions there are even worse than steppes. I was in a solid position on Blistering, had baneling speed up before he got aggressive and he was just going into a macro game, which is where I'm comfortable, but I engaged too quick vs his first mm force. Had I waited I could have crushed it. If I saved more of my banelings, it would've left me in better position later on. And all I really had to do was hold off his push at my gold, since if zerg secures their third on Blistering the game is pretty much over. Steppes I'm of course very happy with, I felt I really showed what I'm capable of there, and then meta is just stupid zvt. Two thirds chance of free win, one third of free loss. You already secured a code-S rank, the first non-Korean to do so out of two possible (you and Jinro, if he makes Quarters). What are your goals for GSL4?My goal is always to win, I even found it weird when the Koreans kept asking about Code S in interviews, and when Korean players said their goal was to get Code S. To me nothing matters short of winning. I could've gotten 2nd to Ret in the finals 3-4 and I would've still been pissed. You lost to MVP, who is known for having the highest ladder rank and being an A-team BW pro. How far do you think he will go in this tournament? Who do you think will win this GSL?Well everything's dependent on the maps with the new system. I think he'll probably make it to the semifinals vs either MC or Julyzerg, vs July would be completely based on the maps. Vs MC would be completely based on MC's nerves. I think the winner of that semifinal will be the favorite to win the whole thing. Jinro mentioned in his post-game interview that you guys practiced together a bit. Do you find that non-Koreans tend to practice with each other and help each other out in Korea?Ya the last week has just been me and Ret practicing with Jinro and Select, everyone taking turns and giving each other advice. We're all friends, so it's natural we want to help each other, but it's also more beneficial than practicing vs Koreans since it's easier for us to share ideas and give/get advice. Even though I lost I've already seen a massive improvement in my gameplay just from having other foreigners out here to really train with. It's gotten me very excited for the EG house and the future of foreigners here in Korea. I really expect a lot more from us as a group than I did in the past. Do you feel the Koreans players treat you differently now that you have a higher status in these tournaments? Have you been approached by korean fans yet in the street?No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much. As far as I know that hasn't changed. I have been recognized a few times in public here, haven't noticed a marked increase in it lately. It's still pretty rare. Speaking of the EG house, any new news on when that is going to happen and who is going to join you?Nothing is concrete yet, besides that it's going to happen. We're looking at mid-February next year, but again it's still very up in the air. As for the players, definitely some of the current EG American players, and possibly a couple of new recruits. Nothing is set in stone for that either yet. We wish you the best of luck in GSL4. Any last shout outs or words to your fans?I'd like to thank all my fans for cheering for me, and sorry for losing so early in this GSL. Also huge thanks to EG for supporting me, everyone should check us out on www.myeg.net, I have a new series of instructional videos going up once a week on there. Thanks to all our sponsors who make all that possible, Intel, SteelSeries, MSI Notebook, Kingston HyperX, Bigfoot Networks, and Thermaltake.
Next: TLAF-Liquid`Jinro in the Ro16!
TLAF-Liquid`Jinro is the last foreigner left in Season 3 of the GSL. On December 3rd at 19:00 KST(GMT+9) he will be playing PoltPrime.WE, the man who defeated SlayerSBoxeR in the Ro32. If he wins, he will make in into the Ro8 and acquire S class status as the second foreigner to do so after IdrA. Be sure to watch his games and check back for recaps, analysis, and interviews in the next installment of TeamLiquid's GSL Foreigner Special
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Awesome-sauce, did ret make it or yet to play?
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Braavos36375 Posts
On December 02 2010 14:19 jungsu wrote:
Awesome-sauce, did ret make it or yet to play?
Ret lost his Ro32 game against TheBestfOu a few days ago. You can see a recap, analysis, and interview with Ret here.
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On December 02 2010 14:19 jungsu wrote:
Awesome-sauce, did ret make it or yet to play?
Ret was eliminated already.
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Grats to Jinro; with your hat on you are unbeatable!
Tough loss for Idra, but at least he's guaranteed Code S. I liked his discussion about how much it has helped him having more top-level foreigners to bounce strategy ideas off of. I think this is one of the less talked-about reasons why Koreans have been so dominant in Starcraft 1--the team houses where everyone speaks the same language and talks to each other about the game.
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Great stuff, been waiting for this! Thanks! ^__^
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On December 02 2010 14:19 jungsu wrote:
Awesome-sauce, did ret make it or yet to play?
+ Show Spoiler +ret went out a few days ago
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Spenguin
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How can the korean players not like Idra? 
Thanks for the write-up and the interviews, great job once again :D
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Great read, hope Jinro gets far.
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Great Great stuff here. Just saw read it. Mind blown away. Good stuff, hope rest is as good as this, seein it hard to top stuff like this  Go Jinro !
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United States22883 Posts
Really nice analyses. Is it weird that I watched all the games, but I still go back to read the recap/analysis?
IdrA's game 3 was definitely disappointing, but I still think it was a really important series in how to play ZvT and TvZ. Both players played a way that (would have) defied the normal all-ins or ultra passive play.
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Jinro's play was so impressive in the round of 32 hope he makes it to S class. Jinro fighting!
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Awesome write up, thanks a lot!
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Great read! And I love the bird's eye analysis of the scrap station game! More of that kind of thing would be welcomed. Really pulling for Jinro to get that code S, even though I'm still not 100% sure what it means
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Thanks for doing this as always!
It is really nice how this update came out before the round of 16 games have been played.
I am glad to hear Idra sounding in higher spirits I was sad when I heard that he was feeling down about his gaming (SoTG 30/11)
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On December 02 2010 14:14 Xxio wrote:
There are only 2 days before your Round of 8 match, how do you feel about that? Are you going to mass practice these days?
I wish there was more time of course, I'll just spend as much time as I can playing and watching Polts TvTs. I've played him before in the ladder, but its been a long time now.
Great interviews, well done! Might wanna change it to "your Round of 16 match" tho
Jinro Fighting!
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sorry but can someone explain what the s-class means/does?
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Nice shout out to Select lol! I still believe IdrA will perform pretty well in the S-class tourneys, so good luck to him (and of course Jinro).
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Glad you like my fan art Jinro. I'll update the blank profiles with each subsequent nerd you steamroll. 
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United States17042 Posts
On December 02 2010 14:38 Jibba wrote:
Really nice analyses. Is it weird that I watched all the games, but I still go back to read the recap/analysis?
IdrA's game 3 was definitely disappointing, but I still think it was a really important series in how to play ZvT and TvZ. Both players played a way that (would have) defied the normal all-ins or ultra passive play.
I do this too, I think that it just goes to show how valuable it is to have at least another viewpoint on the games.
And the analysis and the recap ion the games is good ^^
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Awesome interviews. Thanks both of you for giving it you're best and no matter what happens TL will still back you!
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Thanks for the interviews!
On December 02 2010 14:29 Spenguin wrote:How can the korean players not like Idra? Thanks for the write-up and the interviews, great job once again :D
I think this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=164979
does a fairly good job explaining why.. lol.
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Now, the Liquid house is shared with the oGs house, correct? That seems to be what I remember from GSL1 from TLO interviews.
If Jinro clinches Code-S, I assume he will be staying in Korea at that house? Are all the foreigners staying at the same house or are they divided between the Liquid house and the EG house, or whatever? What's the housing situation like in Korea for the foreigners?
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Nice one. Good luck Jinro!
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Awesome analysis.
Very well done
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Go Jinro! Apparently the Korean commentators were taken by Jinro, much as they were by TLO and Torch in the first season. They've spoken highly of him in the broadcast.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On December 02 2010 14:59 Krigwin wrote:
Now, the Liquid house is shared with the oGs house, correct? That seems to be what I remember from GSL1 from TLO interviews.
If Jinro clinches Code-S, I assume he will be staying in Korea at that house? Are all the foreigners staying at the same house or are they divided between the Liquid house and the EG house, or whatever? What's the housing situation like in Korea for the foreigners?
All the TLAF-Liquid players in Korea stay in the Liquid-oGs house. This includes Jinro, Ret, Huk, Haypro, and TLO when he was there.
Idra currently lives in an apartment, and will probably move into an EG house early next year. He will be joined by EG teammates.
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On December 02 2010 14:46 deisel wrote:
sorry but can someone explain what the s-class means/does?
afaik it allows you to compete in the next GSL. These 3 generate the highest ranked (code S) players, then the next GSL involves only them.
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On December 02 2010 14:46 deisel wrote:
sorry but can someone explain what the s-class means/does?
It means u are already qualified for GSL
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yay good job Jinroooooooooo
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On December 02 2010 15:17 MementoMori wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 14:46 deisel wrote:
sorry but can someone explain what the s-class means/does? afaik it allows you to compete in the next GSL. These 3 generate the highest ranked (code S) players, then the next GSL involves only them.
Uh...I'm pretty sure only 32 of the 64 participants in subsequent GSLs are Code S.
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It's bad luck Idra was knocked out in Ro32, but go Jinro! Making it this far is an amazing accomplishment, but I really hope he can get to the S round. THAT would be great to see.
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Best of luck, Jinro! You have improved greatly since your MLG win. As for Idra, it seems like every player has builds that are made to counter your playstyle as zerg. So many odds against you in the GSL but your motivation to keep trying is inspiring!
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On December 02 2010 14:29 Spenguin wrote:How can the korean players not like Idra? Thanks for the write-up and the interviews, great job once again :D
I can't tell if you're being serious; it's the same reason a lot of the world doesn't like IdrA lol!
Fucking awesome interviews; the news of an EG house is incredible and will surely open up pro gaming to western world!
Jinro hwaiting!!
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Aaaaw, the beanie was made by Jinro's mom <3. Looks like it really did bring him good fortune and gosu skills!
Best of luck with your Ro16 preparation, Jinro! We're all with ya .
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Jinro is definitely no joke.... right after Dallas people paid attention to him and definitely he has proven himself again. His play seriously had no holes (or at least I thought it did), vs moon. It was jsut completely solid. I would be really juiced and happy for him if he won finals.
As for the IdrA not being liked be Koreans. I would probably like IdrA just as much as the rest of this teamliquid did if he was just more humble. Saying Nestea isn't a good zerg and just the various things he says makes me not be a fan as much as everyone else (though I am still a fan). He is undoubtedly the best foreign player and I will always acknowledge his skill, but he is not someone I actively root for.
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Did Jinro's mom watch the games? That would have been pretty cool to tune in and see him sporting the new beanie :D
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WOOOOO JINRO
Made me a fan since his RO64 O_______O
Love your beanie and your soju :D
JINRO FIGHTING!!
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i am actually surprised that Hot_Bid managed to interview IdrA so fast after his loss. What just did you do lol.
But its really a pity about the Blistering Sands game. He had that game in the bag just to be caught off guard ( i guess credit to MVP for the very intelligent push and positionings).
Here is hoping that IdrA can stay in code S for a very very long time and win a lot of GSLs as he deserved.
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i like how idra consistently makes the gsl and that he is always getting better.
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There's a GSL tonight right? its not listed on the calender...
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Good job Jinro, i'm rooting for you to get to S. class now, I know that it being one match away might put some more stress on your nerves, but I know you can do it!.
Idra.. sucks that you lost again, but good to hear your improving, can't wait for you to really do well next year in GSL 4 +
To me your performance this year in GSL has been excellent, and top caliber, but for you it was not a successful performance(since you didn't get first place)
Keep working at it! Your going to get there soon!
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Surprised as hell by Jinro. Keep it up dude. +1 for the beanie.
Kind of sucks about Idra. TL really needs to get off his dick and just not worry about him. Everyone here is always saying stupid shit like "he's BM, he's an asshole, he's a bastard." Since when is that any of your concern? He's being himself. Sure, I don't really like it to be honest, but he speaks his fucking mind unlike most pansies that are too afraid to complain about something because a community would label him "BM."
I wish him and Jinro good luck in GSL 4. I find it funny though. 95% of people here @ TL always say stupid shit like Idra sucks or he needs to learn how to play better, but he constantly qualifies for the GSL.
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On December 02 2010 16:20 Joementum wrote:
Surprised as hell by Jinro. Keep it up dude. +1 for the beanie.
Kind of sucks about Idra. TL really needs to get off his dick and just not worry about him. Everyone here is always saying stupid shit like "he's BM, he's an asshole, he's a bastard." Since when is that any of your concern? He's being himself. Sure, I don't really like it to be honest, but he speaks his fucking mind unlike most pansies that are too afraid to complain about something because a community would label him "BM."
I wish him and Jinro good luck in GSL 4. I find it funny though. 95% of people here @ TL always say stupid shit like Idra sucks or he needs to learn how to play better, but he constantly qualifies for the GSL.
You are grossly exaggerating. While there are vocal fans that do not like Idra, the vast majority of TL cheers for him when he plays. If you need proof look at every GSL live report thread in the tournaments forum and Idra's fan club thread in the TL community forum. It seems you're just taking a few bad comments ("95%"??) and completely blowing them out of proportion.
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Great to see the guys getting along so well together and supporting eachother like a real team! Hope this spirit will keep on going all of 2011.
Best of luck in your next games Jinro, du tar det. 
Idra:
I could've gotten 2nd to Ret in the finals 3-4 and I would've still been pissed.
Oh Grack!
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idra fighting!
(is that how it's done?)
seriously though, i want him to get a win.
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Anyone else think IdrA looks A BIT like a korean on that picture?
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Thank you for interviewing IdrA. Thank you very much.
In addition to the OGS/TL alliance I'm super happy how the foreigners have been banding together.
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Awesome job guys! Love the interview and the analysis! I hope we get more Liquids on the next GSL!! :D
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thanks for the interviews. im awaiting the day that foreigners win a starcraft tournament. i hope it's jinro!
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So sad for Idra. He always seems to lose to the lamest crap.
GOGO JINRO!
Dude looked like such a boss sitting there in his beanie. Total badass nerd ftw!
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thanks for this. I really wanted to get an interview from Idra. Not that I didn't want one from Jinro, but he won his match so he was already interviewed, unlike Idra. I really think Idra should have won that first set, though. And the coin toss on what position you get on meta really frustrate me. Really hope that better maps come out soon so players can show their skills, and not so much the effects of map balance.
Also, JINRO FIGHTING. I know he'll get class S =]
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On December 02 2010 15:17 Hot_Bid wrote:
Idra currently lives in an apartment, and will probably move into an EG house early next year. He will be joined by EG teammates.
It is just too awesome. :D
And Jinro man: Just goes to show that dedication and hard work pays in the end. That was hands down some of the coolest terran play I have seen in a long time in GSL.
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Congratulations to Jinro! I want a beanie made by his mom, though I don't think I would look as baller wearing it. That was also brilliant play on Scrap Station, big kudos for Nazgul.
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shit son. since dallas, jinro continues to blow me away. REPRESENT
and better luck next time idra
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Incredibly happy Jinro nailed it, the best of luck next round! Great beanie, thanks to Jinros mother for making it
A pity Idra got knocked out, but he will rise again. Good luck in 2011.
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too bad idra got knocked out, he played super well on steppes and showed what he is capable of, i really wish he went through, but i hope he will succeed next year :}
and ofc, go jinro :D destroy polt !!
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Jinro's mom has awesome beanie-making skills, I want one
Go go Jinro!
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Goma bought everyone pizza? Omg I love this guy more and more.
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Well everything's dependent on the maps with the new system. I think he'll probably make it to the semifinals vs either MC or Julyzerg, vs July would be completely based on the maps. Vs MC would be completely based on MC's nerves.
That is exactly what I think and even thought I´m zerg player - JMC a Jinro FIGHTING!!!
Also I really like that MC seems to be very friendly to foreigners...
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I lol so hard at jinrolled pic. GL in ro16 Jinro
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Great interviews! Jinro's game against Moon was exciting to watch, although Moon definitely made some mistakes, especially in the bling micro department. Was a shame to see Idra go but MVP is a very talented player, so it's not as if he lost to someone he was expected to beat.
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Oh and thanks to Ggoma for buying everyone pizza and just being an overall really nice guy =)!
That's LittleBoy right? I feel happy watching him be happy... It's awesome :D
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i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match....
but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following?
No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much.
did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best?
i dont wanna say that he is not, but the facts are barely backing up his claims, so it just feels akward and a little arrogant to me. same thing last gsl. after his ro32 win, he said something along the lines of "if i dont run into cool too early, i think i got a good chance to take the whole tournament", just to get completely outclassed in the next round by zenio, who in the following round got completely outclassed himself.
its not just his bm, its his general attitude which gets him so much hate. and although i dont share this hate, i can still understand why others feel about him like they do.
jinro is like the total opposite: he was not achieving anything at all prior to mlg dallas, but in the last months he has really improved a ton by really hard work and dedication. he is not thinking too much about winning it all or his own ego, he is into improving his play step by step. and its paying off, although he probably does not have the most raw talent of all foreigners... (that would be either ret or nony )
it is hard for me to put it into words, but there is just some subtle difference between the 2 of them that makes jinro thaaaat much more likeable than idra. and i think he is a better role-model for us average gamers, teaching us to never give up practicing and improving. jinro has made me a fan and i wish him the best of luck to clinch code S. but i also wish idra the best of luck in the upcoming "real" gsl.
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This rocks, well done Jinro.
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Yeah I agree black gun. I see some people claim that idras BM is what has him the fans he does. However if he had say... Huks demeanor (and I hear that ogs loves him as well as other people). He would have double the fans. Though idrA does have some Korean fans. I mean look at TLO. He had tons of fans(even boxer!!!)
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Grats to Jinro very well played, very nice preparation hope he can make it to the finals. Also i'm very glad to see Idra is acting like an grown up person. Keep it up.
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Ggoma shout out! I feel like Ggoma can follow the Jinro road to success!
The EG house stuff is very exciting.
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Been watching all the GSLs and they were the reason for me finally getting around to getting starcraft 2. Anyway just signed up to congratulate Jinro! He played absolutely amazing and a shame about IdrA, but I don't like Zergs all that much apart from Fruitdealer anyway
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thanks for this, allready enjoyed the Ret coverage. looking forward for more.
the maps for IdrA were really the downside, he has the skills to go really far in the GSL 2011, glad he achieved S-Class.
Jinro fighting, go for S-Class!
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On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match.... but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following? Show nested quote +No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much. jinro is like the total opposite: he was not achieving anything at all prior to mlg dallas, but in the last months he has really improved a ton by really hard work and dedication. he is not thinking too much about winning it all or his own ego, he is into improving his play step by step. and its paying off, although he probably does not have the most raw talent of all foreigners... (that would be either ret or nony )
I just want to say, that talent is so many things, not some inbuilt mechanism making you better at starcraft. Ret is just the same as Jinro, they both work very hard and are both getting very good results. The only "talent" that Ret has over Jinro, is his emotional state when playing. Ret seems to not get nervous, but Jinro can. Ret seems extremely focused on the game, while Jinro can after winning a match start thinking about answering the question for the winner.
Ret needs to put just as much effort into sc2 as Jinro.
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¿Why do the Koreans don't like IdrA?
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Does anyone know how confident Jinro in his TvT is?
Like second best matchup or something?
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shoutout to tl.net, with this gsl u are doing a real fine job covering the foreign bases with those interviews etc.
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I wonder if the koreans will translate these interviews and discuss it on their forums.
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I think Jinro is my favourite player after this GSL. His playstyle is just so good + his attitude.
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On December 02 2010 14:29 Spenguin wrote:How can the korean players not like Idra? Thanks for the write-up and the interviews, great job once again :D
Probably because IdrA is bad mannered, and in the Korean culture and society, mannerisms go a long way. A very long way. Idra will never deserve the respect from the Koreans in regards to manners.
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I love watching both of these guys play (With Idra and Ret being my favorite players overall).
Good luck to Jinro moving forward, I'll be rooting for him!
Excited to see more Team Liquid and EG in GSL 4!
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Still no TL beanies in store?!?
good luck jinro in ro16!
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Out of the two, it's so much easier to be a fan of Jinro..
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On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match.... but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following? Show nested quote +No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much. did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best? i dont wanna say that he is not, but the facts are barely backing up his claims, so it just feels akward and a little arrogant to me. same thing last gsl. after his ro32 win, he said something along the lines of "if i dont run into cool too early, i think i got a good chance to take the whole tournament", just to get completely outclassed in the next round by zenio, who in the following round got completely outclassed himself. its not just his bm, its his general attitude which gets him so much hate. and although i dont share this hate, i can still understand why others feel about him like they do.
His GSL1 loss was... pretty sad to watch. Obvious mistake on his part. But he lost to zenio in GSL2 who is a really good zerg. Losing to MVP in GSL3 (highest ranked on Korean ladder) is ALSO no reason to say Idra isn't one of the best. What round you get knocked out in does not matter. A lot of AMAZING players have been knocked out really early.
Not saying Idra IS the best... but he's played in 3 straight GSLs, qualifying against the best of the best and winning at least 1 game in each tournament. When you consider that the GSL is a tournament for the best in the entire world... losing to just about any RO32 participant is not difficult. Especially in a game like SC2 where the winner of a match is often very surprising.
So I'll continue to believe that Idra IS one of the best... and will only get better as he learns from his mistakes. Looking forward to seeing him play in future GSLs (because... you know.. he has code S. Something *cough* very easy to get. *cough*).
Oh... and these crappy maps and poor spawn placements certainly do not help...
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Can't wait for Jinro's match. Definitely setting the alarm for that. GSL, coffee, a pwnage at 3am!
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On December 03 2010 00:29 laguu wrote:
Out of the two, it's so much easier to be a fan of Jinro..
Yeah right! How can one argue with Idra's consistency and the fact that he recognizes that the Koreans don't necessarily like him very much.
He is the Kanye of Starcraft 2, a major difference being that Idra is actually intelligent with worthwhile opinions. I cheer for Idra and feel for him in his frustrating defeats.
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Thanks for the fast interviews. :D
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On December 03 2010 00:45 neoenigma wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match.... but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following? No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much. did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best? i dont wanna say that he is not, but the facts are barely backing up his claims, so it just feels akward and a little arrogant to me. same thing last gsl. after his ro32 win, he said something along the lines of "if i dont run into cool too early, i think i got a good chance to take the whole tournament", just to get completely outclassed in the next round by zenio, who in the following round got completely outclassed himself. its not just his bm, its his general attitude which gets him so much hate. and although i dont share this hate, i can still understand why others feel about him like they do. His GSL1 loss was... pretty sad to watch. Obvious mistake on his part. But he lost to zenio in GSL2 who is a really good zerg. Losing to MVP in GSL3 (highest ranked on Korean ladder) is ALSO no reason to say Idra isn't one of the best. What round you get knocked out in does not matter. A lot of AMAZING players have been knocked out really early. Not saying Idra IS the best... but he's played in 3 straight GSLs, qualifying against the best of the best and winning at least 1 game in each tournament. When you consider that the GSL is a tournament for the best in the entire world... losing to just about any RO32 participant is not difficult. Especially in a game like SC2 where the winner of a match is often very surprising. So I'll continue to believe that Idra IS one of the best... and will only get better as he learns from his mistakes. Looking forward to seeing him play in future GSLs (because... you know.. he has code S. Something *cough* very easy to get. *cough*). Oh... and these crappy maps and poor spawn placements certainly do not help...
his loses in gsl2 and 3 are excusable, yes. but they still dont back up the claim of being one of the best. i personally interpret "one of the best" as something like top 10 or top 20 players in the world, not top 60 or so which idra is, resultswise. (he probably is easily top 30 in terms of skill, but i was talking about results...)
but when he talks about more or less only fruitdealer standing between him and the title after winning in the ro32, then getting outclassed in the next round by an opponent who himself was outclassed by the eventual winner, i can only conclude that at the time of gsl2, nestea was at least 2 classes better than idra at zvz. kinda cocky to talk about one´s great chances of winning it all after the ro32 when you are in fact brutally outclassed in at least one of the 3 matchups by several other contenders.
some more humility sometimes would fit him well imho.
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On December 03 2010 01:57 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 00:45 neoenigma wrote:On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match.... but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following? No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much. did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best? i dont wanna say that he is not, but the facts are barely backing up his claims, so it just feels akward and a little arrogant to me. same thing last gsl. after his ro32 win, he said something along the lines of "if i dont run into cool too early, i think i got a good chance to take the whole tournament", just to get completely outclassed in the next round by zenio, who in the following round got completely outclassed himself. its not just his bm, its his general attitude which gets him so much hate. and although i dont share this hate, i can still understand why others feel about him like they do. His GSL1 loss was... pretty sad to watch. Obvious mistake on his part. But he lost to zenio in GSL2 who is a really good zerg. Losing to MVP in GSL3 (highest ranked on Korean ladder) is ALSO no reason to say Idra isn't one of the best. What round you get knocked out in does not matter. A lot of AMAZING players have been knocked out really early. Not saying Idra IS the best... but he's played in 3 straight GSLs, qualifying against the best of the best and winning at least 1 game in each tournament. When you consider that the GSL is a tournament for the best in the entire world... losing to just about any RO32 participant is not difficult. Especially in a game like SC2 where the winner of a match is often very surprising. So I'll continue to believe that Idra IS one of the best... and will only get better as he learns from his mistakes. Looking forward to seeing him play in future GSLs (because... you know.. he has code S. Something *cough* very easy to get. *cough*). Oh... and these crappy maps and poor spawn placements certainly do not help... his loses in gsl2 and 3 are excusable, yes. but they still dont back up the claim of being one of the best. i personally interpret "one of the best" as something like top 10 or top 20 players in the world, not top 60 or so which idra is, resultswise. (he probably is easily top 30 in terms of skill, but i was talking about results...) but when he talks about more or less only fruitdealer standing between him and the title after winning in the ro32, then getting outclassed in the next round by an opponent who himself was outclassed by the eventual winner, i can only conclude that at the time of gsl2, nestea was at least 2 classes better than idra at zvz. kinda cocky to talk about one´s great chances of winning it all after the ro32 when you are in fact brutally outclassed in at least one of the 3 matchups by several other contenders. some more humility sometimes would fit him well imho.
How exactly do you come to the conclusion his results make him top 60? Please, explain. Also please explain how he can be S class (top 32 in gsl) with his results placing him at 60.
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CHINROOOOOOO!!!!!!! "Hot and Dangerous" - Ke$ha hahaha. Time to make a silly cheerful.
Placement isn't relative to skill. IdrA got really unlucky with that close spawn on Metal, not to take away from MvP for the flawless timing push. If anything, he's the most consistent player in the GSL qualifying for all 3. Consistency > "Flash in the pan" - IdrA.
For now it's all about the Jinro Beanie of +9001 skill. The beanie really has the Emperor's brain in it. Avenge him!
*edit* @Ggrrg - Exactly LOL.. I have a ton of work for mid-terms and I should probably be down there all day tomorrow to work... but gots to stay up to watch Jinro. God help me lol >_<
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in the 3rd game IdrA wasnt focus and he was nervous a bit imo..
fortunatley he didnt rage quit :p
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Screw you, university! I'm staying home and watching Jinro!
Jinro fighting!
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Great interviews. Congratulations to Jinro but I'm still bummed about Idra getting knocked out
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If anyone here doubts that IdrA is one of the best foreigners, let me remind you he already is class S. The ONLY foreigner to be class S, and no matter who also gets it (C'mon Jinro!) he'll always be the first to do so. He's already cemented himself in the early history for Sc2, for however long this game goes on for.
On a note more related to the thread; Isn't it so refreshing to see a macro Terran succeed as well as Jinro has? Sure he's still turtling, but he expands enough to force zerg to expand many more times, scouts the hatches and snipes them. His game 2 win was so exaggerated, as he had the clear advantage to push in the last 5 minutes and he probably would have won. Trust an ex-BW player to sit on a lead, macro up, then force an all-in when Moon got so far behind.
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So happy to see Jinro do well, I hope he continues to do well.
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That match on Scrap Station was just beautiful!
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When was the EG house revealed?
I've only heard about EGs "big korean plans" mentioned before I read this, but always assumed it was a team house maybe I've heard it in SotG.
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On December 03 2010 02:42 Zdrastochye wrote:
On a note more related to the thread; Isn't it so refreshing to see a macro Terran succeed as well as Jinro has? Sure he's still turtling, but he expands enough to force zerg to expand many more times, scouts the hatches and snipes them.
Well dont talk like turtling is bad, i mean, we whine how there is too many 2 rax all ins from terran, we shoud actualy be happy that someone opted for harder and more risky way ,turtling into almost late game, where zerg is dominant, instead of risking all the time with all ins.
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On December 03 2010 03:56 _vladimir_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2010 02:42 Zdrastochye wrote:
On a note more related to the thread; Isn't it so refreshing to see a macro Terran succeed as well as Jinro has? Sure he's still turtling, but he expands enough to force zerg to expand many more times, scouts the hatches and snipes them. Well dont talk like turtling is bad, i mean, we whine how there is too many 2 rax all ins from terran, we shoud actualy be happy that someone opted for harder and more risky way ,turtling into almost late game, where zerg is dominant, instead of risking all the time with all ins.
It worked well because moon was ready for an early pressure game. The barrack so far out and everything made him even more sure about it. After that point it is really hard to reset your mind set and change the way you have visualized the game.
Also, not really sure where everyone gets this "Zerg is the strongest late game" which is not quite true imo. The race coming into late game in best shape will obviously be the strongest, doesn't matter if its zerg, terran or protoss. What we can say tho, is that terran and protoss clearly have alot more options to be aggressive early against the zerg to help them getting ready for the late game. Zerg on the other hand is strong mid game where they can you accelerate and increase their lead getting into late game.
Also, turtling is as bad as all the all-in games. it makes it dull and just boring to watch. What made this game interesting was moons mistakes and Jinros flawless mind games.
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A foreigner reaches Ro16, that is cool anyway (altough of course I prefer Jinro).
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I always enjoy Idra interviews, thanks!
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The difference between IdrA getting out in Ro32 and Ro8 is that Nestea gets players like Rain and Maka, and Fruit gets freaking BitByBit
IdrA gets Zenio (top 5 zerg easily) and MVP (top 1-3 terran easily) pretty early. It's not like MVP rolled him over either. Game 1 was close, Idra had a gold base up and running, if he held the attack he most likely would have won. Game 2 he totally dominated. Game 3 he got rolled over from a stimmed timing attack, just like NesTea did from MakaPrime on Lost Temple.
Idra will make top 4 when he finally rolls the dice well in brackets and map pools.
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GOGO JINRO!!! take em to the house!
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That is really damn impressive Jinro! Amazing attitude and I hope you go all the way!
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I really hope Jinro can get S Class! Of course it would be amazing to see him get even farther, but just the knowledge that he'll definitely be in the next GSL will satisfy me
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For someone who doesn't get the gom season pass (my internet sucks so it wouldn't be of much use to me), these recap + analysis were really awesome. I know you guys already did this on TL before SC2, but I'm sorta kinda new, and I feel it is awesome to see SC2 presented similarly to major sports, i.e. recaps, analysis, post-game interviews, etc.
The one suggestion I have, and maybe you guys are already thinking about it, is: when doing these features maybe include a series summary. Provide information on how the series went, how both players played in all games, overall play styles, etc. However, these are suggestions so you don't have to take 'em if you don't want to (b/c who am I to challenge that which is TL.net).
Love it regardless, keep up the good work.
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The difference between IdrA getting out in Ro32 and Ro8 is that Nestea gets players like Rain and Maka, and Fruit gets freaking BitByBit
IdrA gets Zenio (top 5 zerg easily) and MVP (top 1-3 terran easily) pretty early. It's not like MVP rolled him over either. Game 1 was close, Idra had a gold base up and running, if he held the attack he most likely would have won. Game 2 he totally dominated. Game 3 he got rolled over from a stimmed timing attack, just like NesTea did from MakaPrime on Lost Temple.
Idra will make top 4 when he finally rolls the dice well in brackets and map pools.
geez what's your beef with koreans anyway? It seems like every single one of your posts contain some kind of diss against korean players. That's not the attitude we want around here.
When did Nestea play against TSL_Rain? Moreover, "players like Maka"? Really now? Maka is some random Terran huh?
Concerning the Fruitdealer's last opponent, he surely is nowhere near as good as most players in the round of 16, but he got a respectable all-in build that got him to round of 16 in the first place.
On a personal note, Zenio is far from being top 5 on my rankings. MVP is godly, I give you that.
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so right now can we say that Jinro is the best SC2 foreigner ?
guess so
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On December 03 2010 06:42 elkram wrote:
For someone who doesn't get the gom season pass (my internet sucks so it wouldn't be of much use to me), these recap + analysis were really awesome. I know you guys already did this on TL before SC2, but I'm sorta kinda new, and I feel it is awesome to see SC2 presented similarly to major sports, i.e. recaps, analysis, post-game interviews, etc.
The one suggestion I have, and maybe you guys are already thinking about it, is: when doing these features maybe include a series summary. Provide information on how the series went, how both players played in all games, overall play styles, etc. However, these are suggestions so you don't have to take 'em if you don't want to (b/c who am I to challenge that which is TL.net).
Love it regardless, keep up the good work.
What? There is already recaps and analysis. Recaps are in a way the summary of those games. What exactly are you looking for in series summary? All the things you mention like overall playstyles, how each player plays is already in the recaps.
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go Jinro! I wonder what the Koreans would do if Jinro won. Would they uninstall? lol
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Those koreans sounds like whiny little bitches >.< are all south koreans like that? :S
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it`s going to be awesome, i`m sad cause idra got out =/, but jinro is the light in the end of the tunnel =p
jinro vs slayers_boxer slayer
>.<
jinroll them all =D
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Wow that was.. really good, thanks!
Jinro plays Terran like a boss, really enjoyed those games and hope to see more like that. Sucks IdrA is out, but it's encouraging to hear how things are coming together for him and the rest of the foreigner camp over there now. Good times ahead.
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Idra's mindset really hurts him. Approaching a map as 2/3 free win, 1/3 insta loss based on positions (even if it's largely true) can't be helping his chances. He's never gonna make it big in Korea as long as he has so many pre-conceived imbalances and what 'should' happen in his head.
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man Idra is my baller! "who cares about s-class it's all about winning" :D he's such a man, man
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Sucks that Idra was eliminated, I really enjoy watching him play! I agree about the whole Code S thing, getting Code S is cool and everything but I never understood why people said their goal is Code S, it should always be to win the whole tournament!
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great interviews. Cheering so hard for Jinro to get S-Class. Waking up early just to catch the games live when I have work at 8am!
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Ja! Jag vill leva, jag vill dö i norden!!
Kör på Jinro!
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On December 03 2010 08:18 Roflhaxx wrote:Those koreans sounds like whiny little bitches >.< are all south koreans like that? :S
Yes I'm sure that all of South Korea posts on the forums of a gaming website.
TBH, it's not much different from the rage at players who beat our favorite foreign players (the whining part anyway). I'm a fanboy myself and I rage when my favorite players are beaten.. which is good i think.. makes the games all the more fun (but to be honest, read over some of the rage posts a couple days later ... I find myself laughing at some of the stupid comments made during the heat of the moment)
[edit] I'd like to add a bit to what Idra said about him being recognized as being one of the best. To an extent, that is true, whenever Idra plays the commentators always talk about how he has been one of the best zergs since beta, but hasn't been able to show it in the GSLs.
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that was very unfortunate for idrA. i usually dont like his style as he seems quite mechanical to me, but the 2nd game was awesome! very bad luck with the 3rd game tho...i really get why sometimes he gets frustrated because his skill should technically get him into ro16 and onwards.
on the other hand, awesome win by Jinro that was some awesome psychological warfare goin on! its really quite smart for him to try to go for macro games as 90% of terrans in the gsl seems to go for early rushes
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On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match.... but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following? Show nested quote +No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much. did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best?
Get your facts right please. IdrA was knocked out in Ro16 in GSL S2 by oGsZenio.
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On December 03 2010 14:57 GhoSt[shield] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 18:59 Black Gun wrote:i wonder how the koreans would have reacted to the immense amounts of bm nony and idra were throwing at each other before their TSL ro8 match.... but ok, its a different culture which values manners much more than ours does... but tbh i can somehow understand the hate he gets. did he really just say the following? No, the Korean players have always recognized that I'm one of the best and most of them don't like me very much. did he just say this after being knocked out in the ro32 for the second time in 3 gsls? he has not reached ro8 once in 3 tries, and still considers himself one of the best? Get your facts right please. IdrA was knocked out in Ro16 in GSL S2 by oGsZenio.
What's wrong with that statement? IdrA HAS been recognized as one of the best ever since beta in the Korean community. You might think otherwise, but people respect his skill. Manner on the other hand....
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Great for Jinro. I've seen some of his recent games and he has really stepped his game up recently. Although I doubt that he is reading these forums right now, I hope he knows he has lots of supporters that are cheering for him. I hope that he continues to have success.
Unfortunate about IdrA. I never watched the games, but it sounds like a single mistake cost him the set. Live and learn right? He is one of the best in world, no doubt. I also think he's probably the best player in the world at getting away with as much as possible economically. He teeters that line so close that it's unbelievable that he doesn't lose more often. With such reckless early game play, I can't imagine how much stress he has going through his head during his games to get away with what he does. Especially when his opponents can effectively guess his strategies for the early game because he caters to that style so much.
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GO JINRO GO! JINRO IN RO8!
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JINRO FIGHTING!!! I am so happy right now...(sob sob)
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Wait his MOM MADE the hat? No fucking way! That is too cool.
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Jinro!!!! Foreigners ftw.
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Really happy to see Jinro tear through a Korean, but sad to see IdrA get eliminated
Heres to having Jinro vs JulyZerg in the semis! 
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I'll say it again, Jinro has been looking excellent in his ladder games, and also in that beannie. on to the Ro16!
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SO HAPPY FOR JINRO!!! ^_^
I am now hoping you become the champ man! Liquid FIGHTING!
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Congrats on your code-s Jinro. :D
Would be sooo awesome to see a foreigner win GSL.
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Great for Jinro! I would have liked to see IdrA go further this time. I feel he "deserves" it..but he plays a risky game with the blind hatch first..he can't make one mistake, and even then it's hard against a well played all-in.
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Anyone notice Idra's comb over? balln
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I see that someone translated IdrA's interview on PlayXP.kr
There are 29 netizen comments, but google translate is so shitty. Would any Korean speakers give a run down if they are saying anything interesting? I think a lot of it is talking about culture.
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I dont mean to be negative, but when idra is not getting past the ro16, and losing 2-0 in most of his exits, which koreans are saying hes the best?
grats to jinro tho, he is cruising his way to champs podium
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IdrA lost once 2-0. the others he lost 2-1
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Gotta root for Jinro
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