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[Interview] The Philosophy of the GSL - Page 4

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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
August 08 2010 16:46 GMT
#61
no upmagic ? ):
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 08 2010 20:00 GMT
#62
MY DICK IS HARD

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DemiSe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
883 Posts
August 08 2010 21:12 GMT
#63
Thanks for the translation. Really great news!
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muramasa
Profile Joined March 2005
Canada1299 Posts
August 08 2010 21:15 GMT
#64
This is awesome. I can't wait for things to really get going. There are a lot of smaller tourneys going on all the time, but this is massive.

The whole system is really dependent on Blizzard being really vigilant with their anti-hacking technology because the Battle.Net ladder itself is the way that people qualify for this. I really hope they don't drop the ball.
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waffling1
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
599 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 23:14:40
August 08 2010 23:14 GMT
#65
"We are simply Starcraft 2's exclusive entrepreneurs. We are not a monopolistic entrepreneur."


umm... tell me how those two are actually different.
atenthirtyone
Profile Joined May 2010
United States88 Posts
August 08 2010 23:40 GMT
#66
On August 09 2010 08:14 waffling1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
"We are simply Starcraft 2's exclusive entrepreneurs. We are not a monopolistic entrepreneur."


umm... tell me how those two are actually different.


They don't want to do all of the work themselves. Contract/license out the huge piece of cash cow instead of selling it themselves. =P
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 06:30:40
August 09 2010 06:30 GMT
#67
On August 08 2010 10:51 m3rciless wrote:
Gretech alone throwing more than a billion won down for SCII prize money. And some people said esports for this game wouldn't take off.

You're not making sense. An internet tv company throwing a bunch of money at a game does not an esport make.

yet.
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aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
August 09 2010 07:13 GMT
#68
lol people are so hyped about amateurs playing .. while making this tournament MIGHT bring up SC2 in korea, its still very very VERY early to say this is gonna replace BW as the next gen eSport big-timer .. We watch organized leagues because the games are awesome. players have great experience with the game to deliver a great and ENTERTAINING match. amateurs playing a 2-week old game with that kind of pot money only tells us 1 thing .. "forget about BW, we got better prize money and its open for everyone. you dont need BW" .. its like blizzard shoving SC2 in people's asses
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Lokian
Profile Joined March 2010
United States699 Posts
August 09 2010 07:59 GMT
#69
I really like where this is going. Making it open for everyone is a great idea. This is how it should be... how else are we going to determine the best of the best? Courage... lol. And its international! I step back for e-sports?

If you're the best of the best, I assume you would make a lot of money. Not only that, but you would get public attention and presumably scouted by the media. I'm not sure if teams would form or another organization similar to Kespa form for SC2. Right now, it looks similar to tennis championship where its pretty much on an individual basis. But... its a game. A part time job might not be so bad. Living life you know...




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Shady
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria115 Posts
August 09 2010 09:08 GMT
#70
thx for the translation!
But in my eyes they should begin to release their statements in english and translate their page! They cant anounce a GLOBAL league in korean....
Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 14:42:52
August 09 2010 10:34 GMT
#71
On August 09 2010 16:13 aimaimaim wrote:
lol people are so hyped about amateurs playing .. while making this tournament MIGHT bring up SC2 in korea, its still very very VERY early to say this is gonna replace BW as the next gen eSport big-timer .. We watch organized leagues because the games are awesome. players have great experience with the game to deliver a great and ENTERTAINING match. amateurs playing a 2-week old game with that kind of pot money only tells us 1 thing .. "forget about BW, we got better prize money and its open for everyone. you dont need BW" .. its like blizzard shoving SC2 in people's asses

There are no SC2 pro's right now. The hype is not over seeing amateur players play, it is about the growth of ESPORTS. BW will perhaps last, but there is no growth to be found. SC2 is new and fresh, and you may not like it but that is a key component that is required. If there would be a tourney with a 5000 dollar prize pool it would not get any hype and there is much less of a chance to see the best of the best compete. The huge prize pool will guarantee that those will play, and they already have months of beta playtime under their belt, plus a lot of experience with BW. You can't discredit a tourney organization's for trying. You can however whine about the damage this will do to BW's presence as an esport. (edit: typo)
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MightyAtom
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Korea (South)1897 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 14:29:26
August 09 2010 14:17 GMT
#72
great write up!

ah just a quick note:
Its a good way to start off open like this, let it have a fresh development.
The reality is, when people say 'professional esports' there is only one example, SCBW.

This is a time to inspire and get people to excited, to learn the game and to really develop a love of this game first. This is what is going to make the fan base and the interest. Lets see some new talent and new stars come out.

I'd love to SCBW continue as it is and something different happen with SC2.
Also a main thing with anything that is a professional league, is though sponsors;
the idea in Korea about professional e-sports is there and with sponsors,
lets give it time!

Also, conversely, had they not opened it up, how the heck could you really decided who is good enough to really play. I tell you, playing online at home and playing in front of a crap load of people with a lot of cash on the line is a different story, and I think this will be a great experience and exposure to anyone who joins.

^^
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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
August 09 2010 14:26 GMT
#73
OP updated with a new, more detailed translation by l10f.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
August 09 2010 14:30 GMT
#74
Of note:

- I'm curious about the league format.
▲ All the games are offline. TeamLiquid asked us if we could have the preliminaries online, but then we would need more preparation, so we decided to make the pre-season offline from the preliminaries. Those who want to participate would have to come to Korea. During the main league there is a possibility of inviting foreign gamers, but I think we'll have to focus on the Korean gamers for the pre-season. Players will have to spend their own money to come to Korea if they wish to participate. I don't know if this is a good analogy, but like how soccer players have to go to England if they want to participate in the Premier League, the players will have to come to Korea if they want to participate in a Korean league. There's no artificial way to incorporate foreign gamers for the main league. GomTV only has the rights for Korea. It is out of our ability to run a league outside of Korea.
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Oozo
Profile Joined December 2009
Finland432 Posts
August 09 2010 16:28 GMT
#75
All that bugs me about this, is that when I see sc:bw tournament, I look at the players and teams to see if there might be intresting games.

When i see this one, I see "INSERT HUGE MONEY" crap. That's far from intresting, sadly.
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Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
August 09 2010 17:03 GMT
#76
Should be an interesting couple of months coming up, looks pretty cool so far.
Thanks for translation!
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Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
August 09 2010 17:44 GMT
#77
On August 10 2010 01:28 Jienny wrote:
All that bugs me about this, is that when I see sc:bw tournament, I look at the players and teams to see if there might be intresting games.

When i see this one, I see "INSERT HUGE MONEY" crap. That's far from intresting, sadly.


I see what you're trying to say, still it is the right first step.

People should not be fooled. This is not a "everyone around the world" tournament. Don't get me wrong this league right now is the best choice. Pump money in it, watch it grow. The only Problem is that Blizzard/GOM decide about the future of a professional Starcraft2 scene. And i have a bad taste when i read stuff like that:

- I'm curious about the e-sports Gretech is picturing.
▲ We're concentrating the most on the players. The B-team progamers are earning little and living in dorms without going to school. We don't want to criticize the current structure of e-sports, but we just want to say that the current e-sports structure is a little twisted since it wasn't planned out from the beginning. We don't want progamers to have to give up working or going to school. You shouldn't be denied participation just because you don't belong to a larger group. That's why we decided to not regulate progaming status. Some people say this will cause a problem, but I think if there are a lot of leagues and many ways to qualify, this will get better. Right now, the world of e-sports is hard to get into. We want to change this. Viewers have been watching e-sports for 10 years and have been watching new games every week. We don't want fans to be left with nothing to watch. If GSL goes as planned, viewers will be able to watch more matches then they do now.


One might think everyone played BW and then some guys suddenly decided to shut the doors and form this evil elitist circle. You don't want them to give up work? That's just another way of saying that they want everything to themselves but can't sustain a professional environment. Because fact of the matter is that price money is just a tinny part of the current proscene. Back a few years ago when they compared e-sport salaries there were also numbers which showed that the SKT1 house alone has yearly costs who go into the millions (dollars).

So multiply that by 11, remember that everyone had the chance to go through courage every time, take into consideration how many hundreds of people work around the players / in the background, the insane amount of organisation that has to be done and then remember that we are talking about gaming here. Step back in AWE people, in AWE to what the professional bw korean progaming scene has build up in just a few years.

Al tough not comparable to soccer or any other major sport, the stability pro teams provide their gamers allows for real E-SPORTS in the first place. Of course you don't want your participants to quit their job, because there is no contract or guarantee for the players whatsoever that might provide security to this profession.
RifleCow
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada637 Posts
August 09 2010 18:52 GMT
#78
On August 10 2010 02:44 Jayson X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2010 01:28 Jienny wrote:
All that bugs me about this, is that when I see sc:bw tournament, I look at the players and teams to see if there might be intresting games.

When i see this one, I see "INSERT HUGE MONEY" crap. That's far from intresting, sadly.


I see what you're trying to say, still it is the right first step.

People should not be fooled. This is not a "everyone around the world" tournament. Don't get me wrong this league right now is the best choice. Pump money in it, watch it grow. The only Problem is that Blizzard/GOM decide about the future of a professional Starcraft2 scene. And i have a bad taste when i read stuff like that:

Show nested quote +
- I'm curious about the e-sports Gretech is picturing.
▲ We're concentrating the most on the players. The B-team progamers are earning little and living in dorms without going to school. We don't want to criticize the current structure of e-sports, but we just want to say that the current e-sports structure is a little twisted since it wasn't planned out from the beginning. We don't want progamers to have to give up working or going to school. You shouldn't be denied participation just because you don't belong to a larger group. That's why we decided to not regulate progaming status. Some people say this will cause a problem, but I think if there are a lot of leagues and many ways to qualify, this will get better. Right now, the world of e-sports is hard to get into. We want to change this. Viewers have been watching e-sports for 10 years and have been watching new games every week. We don't want fans to be left with nothing to watch. If GSL goes as planned, viewers will be able to watch more matches then they do now.


One might think everyone played BW and then some guys suddenly decided to shut the doors and form this evil elitist circle. You don't want them to give up work? That's just another way of saying that they want everything to themselves but can't sustain a professional environment. Because fact of the matter is that price money is just a tinny part of the current proscene. Back a few years ago when they compared e-sport salaries there were also numbers which showed that the SKT1 house alone has yearly costs who go into the millions (dollars).

So multiply that by 11, remember that everyone had the chance to go through courage every time, take into consideration how many hundreds of people work around the players / in the background, the insane amount of organisation that has to be done and then remember that we are talking about gaming here. Step back in AWE people, in AWE to what the professional bw korean progaming scene has build up in just a few years.

Al tough not comparable to soccer or any other major sport, the stability pro teams provide their gamers allows for real E-SPORTS in the first place. Of course you don't want your participants to quit their job, because there is no contract or guarantee for the players whatsoever that might provide security to this profession.


You shouldn't expect all this organization to happen instantly. Generate hype first, then when SC2 is actually popular maybe then the way SC1 is played will become legitamite.
hohoho
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-09 19:36:11
August 09 2010 19:33 GMT
#79
This is no different than any other tournament except that it has a huge prize money . Having a team league similar to proleague with this huge prize money will be far more interesting knowing that it's an open league . Teams like Liquid , MYM , mouz could participate in it , thought i guess it could only be a tournament and not a daily league like Proleague .
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
August 09 2010 19:52 GMT
#80
Some of you guys have way out of control expectations. A ton of stable sponsorship backing is required to keep something like Kespa's proleague going. Gretech doesn't want to start off with too much then have it fall apart. What they've laid out here is what they know they can support and maintain and still be exciting. Big corporate sponsors don't care about the development of ESPORTS, they're looking for return on investment for their marketing expenditures. You have to prove a league can be successful before the big money sponsorships come in, otherwise the sponsors risk damaging their brand by being associated with a league that fails.

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