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Galleon.frigate
Canada721 Posts
I think the mod point still stands, it's out of place to argue that SC2 is weaker than BW (which I agree with at this moment, but not that it will remain weaker--- it's 2 weeks old, we have no idea how well this will grow, lets not try and pretend that 9/10 of those things you will miss were concvied of in the first 2 months of SC) Though it's completely valid to express how this announcment may threaten the the current BW scene. | ||
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robertdinh
803 Posts
On August 07 2010 06:24 Galleon.frigate wrote: @ maybenexttime I think the mod point still stands, it's out of place to argue that SC2 is weaker than BW (which I agree with at this moment, but not that it will remain weaker--- it's 2 weeks old, we have no idea how well this will grow, lets not try and pretend that 9/10 of those things you will miss were concvied of in the first 2 months of SC) Though it's completely valid to express how this announcment may threaten the the current BW scene. If it is out of place to make such an argument because sc2 will have time to grow, isn't it also out of place to throw this much hype and money at a game that has not yet developed itself into something more suitable for esports? (Relative to how serious the korean esports scene is) To me this seems like an aggressive attempt to take out BW and goad people into switching over to SC2, despite the fact that it may or may not be the better game. | ||
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infuzer
Sweden30 Posts
lol when will this in theory even happen? idéas? Its still allowed to use unknown bugs! :D | ||
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Lao Xuin
United States24 Posts
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gyth
657 Posts
A new game will be played: When it is no longer possible to determine the winner and the loser. PvP, one guy does a cannon rush, the other goes proxy gate. They wipe out each others nexus, can't mine, and can't finish the others structures. A draw. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5783 Posts
On August 07 2010 06:24 Galleon.frigate wrote: @ maybenexttime I think the mod point still stands, it's out of place to argue that SC2 is weaker than BW (which I agree with at this moment, but not that it will remain weaker--- it's 2 weeks old, we have no idea how well this will grow, lets not try and pretend that 9/10 of those things you will miss were concvied of in the first 2 months of SC) Though it's completely valid to express how this announcment may threaten the the current BW scene. You're forgetting that SC2 is evolving MUCH faster than SC/BW. SC2 has replays from the get go, it has hordes of insanely skilled RTS players analyzing it constantly, players with tons of BW experience at that. I'd wager that SC2 is WAY past the "2 months" stage of SC1 evolution. It's also unlikely that mechanical micro will make a comeback unless Blizzard so decides, same for most of the issues I listed. These days people know what they are looking for in terms of mechanical micro, viability of various techniques, etc. That means that if we haven't found any (well, Void Ray fazing), it's quite probable there aren't too many of them, and definitely not as skill demanding and ga,e changing as in BW. Ultimately, I really want SC2 to become better than even BW. It's just that I'm worried that this is exactly what robertdinh said - Blizzard trying to buy SC2 into the esports scene while it's not ready yet, killing BW in the process. | ||
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Ic3d
Canada187 Posts
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Kerotan89
United Kingdom51 Posts
But prices to Korea atm are to high for me though  | ||
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hacpee
United States752 Posts
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Alphaes
United States651 Posts
On August 07 2010 05:04 AyJay wrote: What does cross-realm play has to do with fact that you must attend Seoul for this tournament? I'm saying you can't easily do worldwide online qualifiers at such a scale without official cross-realm play, and that they may choose to allow for that when (if) they do implement it. Also, they probably don't have that much resources outside of Korea, which would discourage them from setting up regional qualifiers and the like - that may also change depending on how widespread/successful this league ends up being; I do somewhat agree that the "Global"-ness is more in name than anything right now, as I imagine GOM is more concerned about the domestic demand at this point. | ||
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jiyong
Philippines2 Posts
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sparknineone
United States52 Posts
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a helpless baby
Canada42 Posts
I don't know about you but some friendly banter can really liven up a game | ||
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cloaked
United States32 Posts
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
On August 07 2010 06:54 maybenexttime wrote: You're forgetting that SC2 is evolving MUCH faster than SC/BW. SC2 has replays from the get go, it has hordes of insanely skilled RTS players analyzing it constantly, players with tons of BW experience at that. I'd wager that SC2 is WAY past the "2 months" stage of SC1 evolution. It's also unlikely that mechanical micro will make a comeback unless Blizzard so decides, same for most of the issues I listed. These days people know what they are looking for in terms of mechanical micro, viability of various techniques, etc. That means that if we haven't found any (well, Void Ray fazing), it's quite probable there aren't too many of them, and definitely not as skill demanding and ga,e changing as in BW. Ultimately, I really want SC2 to become better than even BW. It's just that I'm worried that this is exactly what robertdinh said - Blizzard trying to buy SC2 into the esports scene while it's not ready yet, killing BW in the process. Yeah let's hope clear issues rise up in the next year, and these will be more or less fixed in the next expansion (somewhat what happened for Broodwar and The Frozen Throne. One must be reasonable to what to expect though of course, some fundamentals of SC2 won't ever go away. During that time let's see how thesee kind of event might bring some good games. I also agree that SC2 will have a far faster learning curve than BW. It is clear that the stone age of BW never happened in SC2, though now we can<t expect either the matchs that we see to be as much well thought of than BW. What makes BW match very good is mostly in my opinion that the pros have the game really figured out and really know how to respond here and there in order to not die and this make for exciting games. We are clearly not at this stage in SC2. One might argue that the too high dps of balls and too good pathfinding in SC2 do not help though... (and this is something Id like HotS to solve, I don<t know bigger units, bigger health/less damage...). As for cute mechanice, really I dont have a clear opinion. I never felt they were really interesting for a spectator point of view, and I dont feel the need for it as a player. I like clearer things like positioning, good focus and spells to make you win a battle, and I want SC2 players or expansion to bring better micro battles on those terms... for now its more just about spells, the ball mechanic kinda screws up positioning and the high DPS that results from it screws focusing and related. | ||
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darklordjac
Canada2231 Posts
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Zerksys
United States569 Posts
On August 07 2010 06:39 infuzer wrote: A new game will be played: When it is no longer possible to determine the winner and the loser. lol when will this in theory even happen? idéas? Its still allowed to use unknown bugs! :D 1. No miners, no air units, no money to build, terran lifts off. (neither has money or workers) 2. Someone has an island expansion and there's no way for the other player to get there and they're both out of money and workers. 3. Map is mined out and it would be suicide for one player to attack the other. (I actually played a game like this one time. I had 5 mutas and a bunch of lings. He was turtled in his island expo as terran with his missile turrets and he had 1 medivac full of 8 marines. If he tried to land his marines I would have picked off the medivac. If I tried to go in with my mutas the turrets would have ripped me apart.) | ||
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noproblem
United Kingdom161 Posts
Go go team liquid! | ||
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()rain
Germany33 Posts
... what? have you seen this price pool?? ... i dont know what to say about it but ... amaezing! | ||
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