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On June 08 2010 04:39 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Has it been explained anywhere whether or not players playing in leagues still need to be kespa sanctioned? With kespa not in charge of the leagues anymore, this could be completely meaningless (besides the titles).
im guessing (no official thing or anything) that the leagues will probably ban them also
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how can you take back their titles? what are you going to say when someone asks who won all those msls? are they going to pretend savior wasn't the bonjwa? this is a little weird
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On June 08 2010 03:01 andeh wrote:
no protoss because toss winning would make it too obvious
there were no protoss players losing on purpose because protoss winning would make match throwing too obvious? this makes no sense at all.
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Thinking of MJY and HwaSin permanently out of progaming is so painful. They had such incredible games and I will miss them sorely, even though I never really rooted for savior.
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first good thing kespa has done. I've been so tired of people recieving almost no penalty for cheating in sports and finally something has been done. kespa fighting?
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Good. They deserve it and I hope to never see them again in progaming.
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On June 08 2010 02:00 Captain Peabody wrote:Why no Protoss were implicated... + Show Spoiler [Stork] + sAviOr: Hey, Stork, come here...  Stork: What is it? I'm busy raid...er, I mean practicing. sAviOr: Hey, you know that upcoming finals you're in...the one where you're heavily favored versus a newer player? Stork: Aagh! @$%&ING TAUREN! Er...what about it? sAviOr: Well...you know how much money you'd get if you win? Well, what if I told you you could make even more if you lost? Stork: Um...I can't lose this final. People are calling me the new YellOw...the Silver Surfer. My self-esteem has dropped below Chavi's... sAviOr: But think about the money! You could buy yourself some new clothes...watches... Stork: No, I mean I can't lose this final. I've already made arrangements to hang myself if I do. sAviOr: ... [ Later, after the finals...] Stork: *sniff*   DarkElf: Hey, Reach, come over here... Reach: What is it? I was about to benchpress some Hydras... DarkElf: Yeah, well you know that upcoming game you're playing...well, it's not a very important game, right? Reach: Every game where I get to add to my Zerg skull collection is an important one. DarkElf: Well, you're not going to win any money on it, right? What if I told you that you COULD win money by playing that game? A lot of money. Reach: What's money? DarkElf: ... Uh...it's that stuff that you use to buy things. Like clothes and food and expensive watches... You know. Reach: Really? You have to 'buy' things? I just tell people to give me stuff... and then they do. I figured that's how it was for everyone. What does this "money" look like, anyway? DarkElf: Well, it's made of paper, and--well, that's not really the point. It'll help you get women, too! Reach: You think I need help getting women? DarkElf: ... [DarkElf walks away slowly] DarkElf: *sob* Rock: Hey, sAviOr. What's up? sAviOr: Who are you? You're getting commonness on my Timex... Rock: I'm Rock! You know, the Protoss player from Wemade! sAviOr: Oh. Didn't you...uh...make Carriers...that one time? Rock: That's me! And I beat GoZip and Fresh in the MSL prelims! Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about some cash-making opportunities I heard you're in on. sAviOr: What about it? Rock: Well, I'm playing a well-respected player soon, and everyone expects me to lose. So I was thinking, instead of losing all the time, why not get PAID to lose? I'll throw the game, and then we'll both collect lots of cash! Isn't that a great idea? sAviOr: Um...no. Please go away. Rock: But...why not? sAviOr: You're not good enough to get paid to lose. Now, if you want to make yourself useful, go bring me a martini... Rock: *sniff* And for some non-Protoss bonuses... + Show Spoiler [Flash] +sAviOr: Hey, Flash, what's up? Flash: Practicing. sAviOr: I have a question for you: how'd you like some more money? Flash: Sure, whatever. Send it to my parents. sAviOr: What? Flash: My parents keep all my money. I just play Starcraft all day. sAviOr: Oh. But wouldn't you like to have some money of your own to spend? Flash: Not really. Now shush, I'm trying to perfect this TvZ build. sAviOr: ... sAviOr: Hey, Jaedong, how'd you like to earn some extra money? Jaedong: Well, my parents say I should be earning a bigger salary...what kind of thing are you talking about? sAviOr: Here's how it works. All you have to do is throw a game-- Jaedong: Wait. Throw a game? You mean I'd have to lose? sAviOr: Um...yeah. Jaedong: I don't lose. sAviOr: Yeah, I know: that's why we'd make so much money if you DID. See-- Jaedong: I don't lose. sAviOr: Um...okay. See, the way it would work is-- Jaedong: No, you don't get it. I hate losing more than death, Hitler, and Satan combined. Every time I lose, I'm filled with so much rage I have to spend the next week repeatedly four-pooling PerfectMan. I don't lose. sAviOr: ... Jaedong: Now if you'll excuse me, there's a new upstart Terran build I need to grind into the dust of the Earth. THE TYRANT HAS COME!
I Loled
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On June 08 2010 02:00 Captain Peabody wrote:Why no Protoss were implicated... + Show Spoiler [Stork] +sAviOr: Hey, Stork, come here... Stork: What is it? I'm busy raid...er, I mean practicing. sAviOr: Hey, you know that upcoming finals you're in...the one where you're heavily favored versus a newer player? Stork: Aagh! @$%&ING TAUREN! Er...what about it? sAviOr: Well...you know how much money you'd get if you win? Well, what if I told you you could make even more if you lost? Stork: Um...I can't lose this final. People are calling me the new YellOw...the Silver Surfer. My self-esteem has dropped below Chavi's... sAviOr: But think about the money! You could buy yourself some new clothes...watches... Stork: No, I mean I can't lose this final. I've already made arrangements to hang myself if I do. sAviOr: ... [ Later, after the finals...] Stork: *sniff* DarkElf: Hey, Reach, come over here... Reach: What is it? I was about to benchpress some Hydras... DarkElf: Yeah, well you know that upcoming game you're playing...well, it's not a very important game, right? Reach: Every game where I get to add to my Zerg skull collection is an important one. DarkElf: Well, you're not going to win any money on it, right? What if I told you that you COULD win money by playing that game? A lot of money. Reach: What's money? DarkElf: ... Uh...it's that stuff that you use to buy things. Like clothes and food and expensive watches... You know. Reach: Really? You have to 'buy' things? I just tell people to give me stuff... and then they do. I figured that's how it was for everyone. What does this "money" look like, anyway? DarkElf: Well, it's made of paper, and--well, that's not really the point. It'll help you get women, too! Reach: You think I need help getting women? DarkElf: ... [DarkElf walks away slowly] DarkElf: *sob* Rock: Hey, sAviOr. What's up? sAviOr: Who are you? You're getting commonness on my Timex... Rock: I'm Rock! You know, the Protoss player from Wemade! sAviOr: Oh. Didn't you...uh...make Carriers...that one time? Rock: That's me! And I beat GoZip and Fresh in the MSL prelims! Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about some cash-making opportunities I heard you're in on. sAviOr: What about it? Rock: Well, I'm playing a well-respected player soon, and everyone expects me to lose. So I was thinking, instead of losing all the time, why not get PAID to lose? I'll throw the game, and then we'll both collect lots of cash! Isn't that a great idea? sAviOr: Um...no. Please go away. Rock: But...why not? sAviOr: You're not good enough to get paid to lose. Now, if you want to make yourself useful, go bring me a martini... Rock: *sniff* And for some non-Protoss bonuses... + Show Spoiler [Flash] +sAviOr: Hey, Flash, what's up? Flash: Practicing. sAviOr: I have a question for you: how'd you like some more money? Flash: Sure, whatever. Send it to my parents. sAviOr: What? Flash: My parents keep all my money. I just play Starcraft all day. sAviOr: Oh. But wouldn't you like to have some money of your own to spend? Flash: Not really. Now shush, I'm trying to perfect this TvZ build. sAviOr: ... sAviOr: Hey, Jaedong, how'd you like to earn some extra money? Jaedong: Well, my parents say I should be earning a bigger salary...what kind of thing are you talking about? sAviOr: Here's how it works. All you have to do is throw a game-- Jaedong: Wait. Throw a game? You mean I'd have to lose? sAviOr: Um...yeah. Jaedong: I don't lose. sAviOr: Yeah, I know: that's why we'd make so much money if you DID. See-- Jaedong: I don't lose. sAviOr: Um...okay. See, the way it would work is-- Jaedong: No, you don't get it. I hate losing more than death, Hitler, and Satan combined. Every time I lose, I'm filled with so much rage I have to spend the next week repeatedly four-pooling PerfectMan. I don't lose. sAviOr: ... Jaedong: Now if you'll excuse me, there's a new upstart Terran build I need to grind into the dust of the Earth. THE TYRANT HAS COME!
I love the JD one. "Wait, I would have to lose?"
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go.go, Hwasin, UpMagic, you will be sorley missed.
Even if you were cheating, crooked bastards you still played some PRETTY DAMM GOOD Starcraft
Remember Hwasin's 'Saving Private Ryan' Marine?
And THIS game? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/games/11312_sAviOr_vs_UpMaGiC/vod
sAviOr UpMagic, never seen such good vulture multi-task harass. YOU NEED TO WATCH THIS GAME, to see what these players have deprived the community in terms of quality games.
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just looking at the list makes you remember games by them and get a bad feeling in the pit of your stomach.
People who are questioning how bad this is because they will be able to move on to other things. They will never be accepted in any progaming or sport sponsorship, so they won't be able to try and get on with SC2, they're best bet is to do their military time if they havn't yet, and then get into finance.
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On June 07 2010 22:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This is a huge blow to Hite and STX.
Who's taking over terran? Bogus? Notice? Of course I'm distraught over go.go.
leta??
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Taking awards away is completely deserved, but claiming someone didn't win a league wouldn't be justified. While they did cheat, they didn't get victories by cheating, but the opposite. Savior, Luxury etc still won their individual leagues, and while taking titles is fine, claiming they won those titles undeservingly would be lie. It's the lack of integrity and responsibility that they earn the punishments for. But eventhough they may lose their face as human beings, as mouseclickers I can't diss them for what they were, great players.
All in all, ban for life is more than justified for anyone included, but ruining the memory of these players as good players isn't realistic since cheating wasn't to gain advantage in game, but via gambling. To lose the respect as skilled player, I'd have to hear a player being caught of "vent abuse" and such, that directly make you play better.
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Really hope that Blizzard and Kespa won't agree nevermore and this player return in sc2
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sAviOr was my Zerg hero and why I wanted to start playing Zerg. It's such a huge disappointment to me. I wish I knew what could have been if he hadn't made such poor decisions with his career.
Putting my favor for him aside, he deserves the ban. The striping of awards, however, is meaningless. We all know these players achieved and earned all their titles and awards. Nothing changes that, not even some mystical Kespa disappearing wand. Their accomplishments were earned just like their permanent bans were earned.
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Wait....who the fuck was betting for Shinhwa for him to be in a position to throw games???
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On June 08 2010 06:33 asdrojas wrote:
Really hope that Blizzard and Kespa won't agree nevermore and this player return in sc2
You want those cheaters to play SC2? O_o
I'll miss UpMagiC, but they all deserved it. Some moreso than others.
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Oh wow, go.go... what will Hite do w/o him T_T
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It's good to see this coming to a close, but it's really sad to see some of those names up there...
Let's hear it for fucking KESPA, though! I'm EXTREMELY IMPRESSED with how they handled this situation... And that's not something you can say about KESPA very often.
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