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SD-Spirit
Profile Joined November 2009
Poland31 Posts
January 23 2010 09:13 GMT
#221
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/userstream.php?user=Roffles
rtschamp
Profile Joined January 2010
10 Posts
January 23 2010 09:19 GMT
#222
500$ flash loses 2nd game. any takers? ;D
Wrath Pride Lust Envy Gluttony Greed Sloth
kawoq
Profile Joined November 2005
Guatemala357 Posts
January 23 2010 09:22 GMT
#223
amazing article, it is pure art!!!
"It is not a shameful thing to be unable to reach the goal. It's becoming afraid and running away, even before considering the fact that the road is long and rough, that is truly cowardly." by - Lim Yo Hwan aka SlayerS_Boxer from "Crazy as me"
adamisuber
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada35 Posts
January 23 2010 10:28 GMT
#224
Game 3. What a fucking joke.
I hate you mbc, suck every part of my nuts
PIDERMAN
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
January 23 2010 10:28 GMT
#225
MSL FAIL!

Refs are idiots, they shud just restart the game ...
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 11:15:48
January 23 2010 10:52 GMT
#226
I see that most staff members at 'Roffles' don't know well enough why game 3 was given to jaedong so I'll explain it a bit

Let's compare what they had...

Flash:
-3 bases, of which main was mined out. I think he did a quick expansion too, so his natural wouldnt last very long either.
-a small vessel count. This is ABSOLUTELY KEY. A game is never over if terran has like 8 vessels, but flash had like 2-4 with low energy since jaedong kept taking them out
-not a huge m&m army either.

Jaedong:
-4 bases, 5 gasses of which corner expo wasnt mining very much. His main may have run out in a couple of minutes. Possibly around the time flashs natural would mine out.
-several ultras
-several defilers at his expansion ready to keep up the pressure
-lings

Now the misconception of an inexperienced player would be that Flash had the advantage because he was pressuring jaedongs corner expo so much. The fact, however, is that that was ALL flash had. In your average game you could maybe call it a pretty even situation or flash's advantage, but thats all there was left to this game. If jaedong could keep the expansion, his 5 gas would destroy flash and there's nothing flash would be able to do.
Jaedong had enough ultras and lings, but most importantly, he had 2 defilers at the corner expo which flash wouldnt be able to irradiate due to low vessel count and low energy. Flash wasnt right next to hatchery either, he was quite a while away.
The longer the game would drag on, the bigger jaedongs advantage would have been. I'll remind once again, he had several ultras and two defilers at his expo. Flash wouldnt have been able to take it down quickly unless jaedong REALLY screwed up. It's something jaedong would not do, or if he did, it's just as realistic to think that flash would screw up

Against a B-class progamer Flash could have won and match should have been replayed, but we're talking about jaedong whose decision making and mechanics are about as good as Flash's.

Jaedong would have won with 70-90% chance. Flash was pressuring his expo, yes, but thats all there was left to this game. Flash didnt have vessels to take out ultras/defilers, and jaedongs expo would have survived. Flash didn't have enough m&m either to have a real army advantage.

None of us is happy about the fact that this happened, but replaying the game or giving the win to flash would have been simply wrong.
Can you really replay a match when flash faces the best zerg in the world who would have probably won?

I'm sad that this had to happen, it was a really good game and it will shake both players up. I'm also sad that jaedong isn't getting all the credit he should be getting because people will keep talking about the third game jaedong had a chance of losing


EDIT:
They showed the replay, and actually it was 95% sure that jaedong won.
We saw earlier how flash brought all his marines over, then some time after they arrived we saw jaedongs ultraling rape all of his M&M. Flash would not have had a big M&M army after that, and jaedong would have run over him. End of story.

Very anti-climatic, but really, it was Jaedongs win.
Randos
Profile Joined July 2007
Germany48 Posts
January 23 2010 10:52 GMT
#227
C'mon guys lets nerdrage to manifest our dissapointment!

ROOARRRRRRRRRRRR
RRRRRRR
ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
ZeeTemplar
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States557 Posts
January 23 2010 10:52 GMT
#228
I stopped watching after the result of game 3. Should of be a Re-game, it was THAT simple. Iccup admins out there. ~_~
Jangbi storms!!!
m4nu
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany3 Posts
January 23 2010 10:57 GMT
#229
omg... they should regame ~~

thats not the way a final should be won..
gl hf
yevon1987
Profile Joined December 2008
7 Posts
January 23 2010 11:34 GMT
#230
jaedong won and kespa sucks
yevon1987
Profile Joined December 2008
7 Posts
January 23 2010 11:38 GMT
#231
flash lost because kespa sucks
Sapraedon
Profile Joined January 2010
United Kingdom142 Posts
January 23 2010 11:42 GMT
#232
MBC screwed up good.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9016 Posts
January 23 2010 11:52 GMT
#233
MBC should've invited Kanye West instead of that SS guy. "Yo Jaedong I know you just won an MSL and all...."
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
January 23 2010 11:56 GMT
#234
Ahzz is so right. Jaedong got a "default win" for a game he already won. This affected him a lot more than Flash. If there's anyone to feel sorry about, it's Jaedong, because a lot of you think his win is undeserved.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-23 12:02:07
January 23 2010 11:57 GMT
#235
On January 23 2010 20:52 Garnet wrote:
MBC should've invited Kanye West instead of that SS guy. "Yo Jaedong I know you just won an MSL and all...."

haha seriously, perfect fit.

Ahzz is right though, and I gotta say JD's mindgames were damn perfect this series.
He predicted everything perfectly, 3 hatch before pool when flash FEs, overpool (or was it 9 pool?) when flash goes rax before depot.
+ Show Spoiler +

Although stuff like this makes me wonder if there are sometimes practice partners of pro gamers leaking some info, I mean it's possible

Had he had just a few more lings in game 2 vs the drop than he would have been in a ridiculously strong position too and probably have taken that game.
And let's not forget that those maps arent very zerg-friendly

Anyways, this will surely go down as the most disappointing finals in starcraft history.

beep boop
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
January 23 2010 12:03 GMT
#236
On January 23 2010 20:56 cyclone25 wrote:
Ahzz is so right. Jaedong got a "default win" for a game he already won. This affected him a lot more than Flash. If there's anyone to feel sorry about, it's Jaedong, because a lot of you think his win is undeserved.

Moreover, people are forgetting something.

When two players so close to perfecting their own races play, the one who can prepare the best will have an advantage. We all know that jaedong could prepare for these matches a lot. He even lost to flash twice earlier, which is a VERY important thing because he now knew his mistakes against both key strategies which flash used here in MSL finals too.
This result we saw DOES NOT mean Jaedong > Flash skillwise! It means that jaedong played better in this set than flash did.

The quality of the finals dropped from amazing to mediocre because of the game crashing, but the decision wasn't unfair in any way.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 23 2010 12:04 GMT
#237
This was literally the worst dogshit I have ever viewed in my life. I am raging so hard right now it isn't even funny. The MSL finals were in no way legitimate and I sincerely hope no one attempts to take what transpired tonight as anything other than a sign that KESPA and MBCGame Channel don't give a flying shit about e-sports or StarCraft fans.
RIP Aaliyah
Regizer
Profile Joined January 2010
United States5 Posts
January 23 2010 12:05 GMT
#238
the final was epic until the blackout, then it became the worst final ever
Suc
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1569 Posts
January 23 2010 12:05 GMT
#239
Thanks for the information Ahzz, I was on the fence about this before. I hope most TL people read this.
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
January 23 2010 12:09 GMT
#240
This is what i call a nice news even with all the drama :D
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