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[MSL] Final Destination

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[MSL] Final Destination

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January 22nd, 2010 21:45 GMT
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Hot Bid
"This is the final we have all been waiting for"
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For the past few years, the MSL was one gigantic cocktease. Savior-Bisu was derailed by Mind, Jaedong-Flash by ForGG, Bisu-Jaedong by Free, Flash-Stork by Leta. There hasn't been a hyped cross-match final in the MSL since Savior-Nal_Ra in 2006. But finally, after years of watching great OSL Finals and cooler OSL intro videos, the little brother of the individual leagues can finally stand up and say "look at me." This time, the MSL is guaranteed a better final. Jaedong-Flash is "0-3 proof." In fact, an 3-0 sweep either way would make the final that much more amazing. This is the final we have all been waiting for.

p4NDemik
"It wont be an easy task, but I think Jaedong pulls it off"
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Jaedong is very fortunate that games one and five will both be played on Match Point - a map which has caused Flash considerable headaches vs Zerg. The Ultimate Weapon has been beaten in both a drawn out macro match (by HyuN - go figure) and in a relatively short match where a strong mutalisk harass allowed ZerO to take his half of the map handily and crush Flash before the 16 minute mark. The point being: Flash is vulnerable on the opening and closing map of the series.

It's no secret that Flash has the advantage on Ultimatum, Odd-Eye, and Fighting Spirit (as we've already seen from their series in the OSL). If Jaedong is going to take away the Gold on Saturday he will need to focus on outplaying Flash on Match Point and formulating some strategies that can steal a game or two in between. It won't be any easy task, but I think Jaedong pulls it off.

Jaedong > Flash on Match Point
Jaedong > Flash on Ultimatum
Flash > Jaedong on Odd-Eye
Flash > Jaedong on Fighting Spirit
Jaedong > Flash on Match Point

GTR
"The only way Jaedong can win is with some really unorthodox builds"
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Personal Prediction: Flash 3-1, kids on the forums making threads with the combination of keywords 'Flash' and 'Bonjwa'.

(T)Flash < (Z)Jaedong on Match Point
(T)Flash > (Z)Jaedong on Ultimatum
(T)Flash > (Z)Jaedong on Odd-Eye
(T)Flash > (Z)Jaedong on Fighting Spirit

Simply put, the goal set by the MBCgame PD's since the start of the season was to kill off the numerous amount of mediocre Zergs qualifying for the major individual leagues. This was achieved by using the map pool. While Match Point appears to be Flash's achilles heel, Jaedong is going to darn struggle on Ultimatum, Odd-Eye and Fighting Spirit in the current form Flash is in at the moment.

The way I see it, the only ways I see that Jaedong can win is with some really unorthodox builds which catch Flash off, fusing with another Zerg (Calmdong) or a riot breaks out in Yeouido because only 700 people can fit into the damn place.

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Motbob

"Today, the identity of the winner-to-be is a foregone conclusion"
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Flash, 3-0
The maps are heavily in Flash's favor. He has been playing better against Zerg than any other Terran has since Shark revolutionized the matchup with muta micro. He has shown that he is able to embrace his cheesy roots yet also shows incredible standard play. One year ago, the result of this series would have been completely in doubt. Today, the identity of the winner-to-be is a foregone conclusion.

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Heyoka

"Flash has the clear advantage"
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I think the most likely result is Flash 3-1. I say that because Flash has the edge and its the most often score of a bo5 (probably because, combination wise, it has the most possible results).

I'm inclined to say Match Point will be the map Jaedong wins on, but its probably too close to call. Seeing Jaedong go WLLL would be the funniest result to me so I'm definitely rooting for it. The maps are good for terran, which may be relevant, though I suspect with these two specific players its less of a factor than in other series.

When we get 2 players of this caliber fighting over a long series for king of the hill, it boils down to the mental game. Flash has done nothing but gain momentum in the past few months. His TvZ in particular has looked unstoppable, and he just had a satisfying victory for an OSL title. He now has the chance at true greatness, snatching two golds in a single season. He is approaching the top of his curve skill wise, and has yet to show any signs of slowing down. I doubt he will until several weeks after he wins another gold.

I see starcraft skill for those at the top to be a sine wave. Jaedong, in comparison, is now coming down the crest of that wave. He earned 2 OSL golds back to back, and got his gold mouse. He has looked slightly less than unstoppable in the past months, and its fair to say he isn't in quite the same form as he was during his series with fantasy. He is a fierce opponent, but he simply can't have the same drive Flash does.

Flash losing 0-3 in their last best of 5 series is only going to fuel his desire to take the title this time around.

Therefore as I said, Flash in 4. Jaedong is no walk over, it could certainly go the full amount but Flash has a clear advantage.

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Arrian

"This is the turning point, this is where everything changed"
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NOTE - Arrian chose to use the questions from the "FAN FACEOFF" to give his prediction

There has been a lot of hype around the Lee-Ssang Rok match-up. Given their past records, do you think this series will live up to the hype?

Absolutely. The Classic Season 1 was marred by the 3-0 sweep and the fact that it wasn't legitimized by KesPA. I think that will allow Flash to put that out of his mind, and frankly, both players are playing better Starcraft than they ever have before. The Flash-Jaedong rivalry emerged as both players were emerging onto the scene, and they'll both always be judged to some extent by how they perform against each other. Neither will want to pass up on this opportunity to seize an edge.

The last time Jaedong and Flash met in a finals situation, Jaedong won 3-0. How does that factor in this time around?

It doesn't even play a role. Flash knows the way he played in that final didn't reflect at all what kind of player he is, and Jaedong knows it too. Both will be gritting their teeth and expecting their opponent to give them no quarter.

There is talk about the maps favoring Terran, how important will this be?

Well, the matchup itself favors Terran, and that's never stopped Jaedong. Jaedong's talent and ability surpasses maps. Jaedong is a perfect 4-0 on Match Point, 1-0 on Ultimatum, 2-0 on Odd-Eye, and is 7-2 on Fighting Spirit. In rivalries, anything can happen. What matters far more than the maps is that Jaedong is playing Flash.

Flash beat Jaedong pretty solidly in the recent OSL, is this a sign of things to come?

No. I remember watching progaming as a fascination in 2007, but I didn't get into it until I started watching these two. I remember Jaedong laying a beating on Stork in EVER 2007, and then feeling bad for Flash as he managed to face Jaedong in the MSL, OSL, and the Star Invitational. I thought he was done for. But Flash stunned us all, and his victories over Jaedong propelled his career lightyears beyond his reputation as a puny cheeser. There won't be a 3-0 sweep this time, not after GOM. This rivalry means everything to these players.

In short, who will win this series and why?

3-2 Flash.

This isn't just a chapter in the most important rivalry of the modern era of Starcraft, this could very well be its climax. This could be the finals that we look back on and say "This is the turning point, this is where everything changed." I'm calling it: In the most epic finals of our time, Flash overpowers Jaedong in a charged fifth set to be remembered.

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Alffla

"This is definitely the most anticipated finals in the history of StarCraft"
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This is definitely the most anticipated Finals in the history of StarCraft. Even the commentators from the OGN side have taken their time to comment on the upcoming match. Flash is currently playing the best he has ever played before, and Jaedong is also looking deadly as ever. With both players given much more time off Proleague duties, there is no doubt that these 2 rivals will give us an amazing series.

Here's my take on the games. Flash is definitely looking unstoppable, and I do think that he will take the series as well as a dual Starleague win. However, Jaedong is still Jaedong, and since he has been given the chance to watch how many other Zergs have failed against Flash (Kwanro, Calm, and all the other Zergs that Flash raped recently) I am sure he will be learning from their mistakes and be prepared as ever. Losing to Flash 0-2 in the OSL will also have triggered his must-get-revenge mode.

I'm predicting Jaedong to be utilizing strategies more akin to Calm's strategies in the OSL. While Calm's mutalisk micro isn't really terrible, Jaedong built most of his career by destroying Terrans with it. I'm predicting that the delicate balance of Terran defending 2 hatch muta and Zerg trying to kill as many marines as possible and keeping Terran at bay will be taken to the extreme in this finals. Jaedong, unlike Calm, will probably sneak in a 5 pool somewhere in the series as well.

On the other hand, Flash definitely has the mind game advantage right now. He is simply perfect at all aspects of the game whether at early, mid, or late game. Furthermore, Flash has the advantage of his cheese builds which frankly, must be really scary to any Zerg. Mid game is also incredibly hard for Zerg, with Flash's odd MnM attack timing and denying of 3rd expo. And as we've all seen in his game against Calm, late game Flash is just an impenetrable wall.

Overall I'm predicting strong play by Jaedong, but it will still not be enough to topple the Ultimate Weapon that is Flash. 3-1 to Flash!


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Episode 13 - Flash vs Jaedong Special
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Episode 14 - Flash vs Jaedong Round 2
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Thanks to Radfield and Newblearbomb for generously allowing the use of his high quality "Broodwar Highlights" to recap and review the MSL semifinal matches: Please watch and enjoy these amazing videos!

MSL Semi-Final (Z)(Z)Kwanro vs (T)(T)Flash Jan 14th

Game 1: Odd-Eye
Game 2: Fighting Spirit
Game 3: Ultimatum
Game 4: Match Point
Game 5: Odd-Eye

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MSL Semi-Final (Z)(Z)Jaedong vs (P)(P)Kal Jan 16th


Game 1: Match Point
Game 2: Fighting Spirit
Game 3: Ultimatum
Game 4: Odd-Eye
Game 5: Match Point

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Thank you to Ver, Hot Bid, Day9, Idra, Artosis, GTR, Doctor Helvetica, Heyoka, motbob, p4NDemik, alffla, Arrian, Waxangel, MrHoon, NeverGG, Radfield, Newblearbomb, and all TL readers! Hope you enjoy this article and are as phenominally excited about these finals as I am!
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 22 2010 21:50 GMT
#2
this has got to be the most epic pre-finals write up ever guys<3 super prety too!

good job all. super sick.
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
January 22 2010 21:51 GMT
#3
AMAZING WRITE UP
kudos
Taek Bang
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
January 22 2010 21:52 GMT
#4
Awesome job. Can't wait!
AureS
Profile Joined June 2007
France108 Posts
January 22 2010 21:54 GMT
#5
great work great news
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
January 22 2010 21:54 GMT
#6
awesome writeup!!

so psyched :D glad it fell on the weekend
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
January 22 2010 21:54 GMT
#7
this is amazing! well done. also lol @ day9
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hj9255
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada1 Post
January 22 2010 21:55 GMT
#8
Go FlaSh!!!!!
FlaSh is a terran god
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
January 22 2010 21:56 GMT
#9
awesome article!
Nony is Bonjwa
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 22 2010 21:56 GMT
#10
sick ass writeup can't wait!
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8133 Posts
January 22 2010 21:57 GMT
#11
Flash fighting! Can't wait for this shiet
Redunzl
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
862 Posts
January 22 2010 21:58 GMT
#12
best layout i've ever seen on this site
Vernom
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Spain374 Posts
January 22 2010 21:58 GMT
#13
lol at day9 quote
Rainmaker5
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1027 Posts
January 22 2010 21:59 GMT
#14
Great write up. Loved the read.
(-_(-_(-_(^_(-_(-_(-_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-)_-) CJ Fighting! "Beer -> soju -> whisky is a terrible build"~~ Scrarecrow.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 22 2010 22:00 GMT
#15
What a beautiful article. The layout is a thing of art.

I think you do a really good job of showing how contentious the series will be by providing a bunch of predictions from various names.

I disagree with your assertion that Flash will be playing in a reactive manner. I expect him to really dictate the early game with his choices, particularly his number of barracks. Flash has been a player who really tries to choose the pace of his TvZs.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see at least one bunker rush, perhaps in the very first set. If he does this, Jaedong is much more likely to 9-pool in game 2 and Flash can go with 3 rax to keep mutas away or some unit > tech opening.

Vs Kwanro, we also have seen how comfortable Flash is with transitioning into wraiths after he has around 4 barracks down and rolling. I think Jaedong will certainly be considering this build while he practices. Then again, if Flash had been trying to pull out that particular card against JD he would have been less likely to use it against Kwanro.

I think JD is probably trying hard to make some solid predictions about what Flash's choices will be, while Flash is trying to figure out exactly how to open in solid-yet-unpredictable ways. In other words, I really think that Jaedong will be reacting to Flash's choices, not just in this series, but in his past few rounds. I think that if JD can accurately predict what Flash is scheming, and can utilize abusive responses, he has a good chance here.
Manbear
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada306 Posts
January 22 2010 22:00 GMT
#16
That writeup is amazing great job looks really professional.
KingFool
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada428 Posts
January 22 2010 22:00 GMT
#17
Day9's pict + comment was awesome. I play terran, I always want Flash to win, but this is the only time I can think of where JD is a true underdog and I love cheering for the underdog. I might go neutral cheer mode for this series and just take in the games for all they are worth.
Stimin myself on a daily basis
Zeburial
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden1126 Posts
January 22 2010 22:01 GMT
#18
OH THE HYPE!!!!! Time for bed now, then up at 08.50AM for the finals!!!!
Empires are not brought down by outside forces - they are destroyed by weaknesses from within
Alpine
Profile Joined March 2007
United States86 Posts
January 22 2010 22:03 GMT
#19
OMG THIS IS EPIC! AMazing Writeup!!! I can just FEEL the INTENSITY!
Chance Favors the Prepared Mind.
KingFool
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada428 Posts
January 22 2010 22:06 GMT
#20
I missed the calm quote until i re-read, made me lol. Hes so bitter for getting bunkered.
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