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On January 23 2010 21:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This was literally the worst dogshit I have ever viewed in my life. I am raging so hard right now it isn't even funny. The MSL finals were in no way legitimate and I sincerely hope no one attempts to take what transpired tonight as anything other than a sign that KESPA and MBCGame Channel don't give a flying shit about e-sports or StarCraft fans.
I completely understand your rage over this, but I dont think it is entirely fair to imply that JD doesn't deserve his title.
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Got to agree with Ahzz as well. It really sucked for Jaedong. He was definitely ahead. For people who wanted the 3rd set played again, now that we know Flash's fan is what caused the power outage, it definitely would have been even more bullshit if Kespa had instead decided to say
"Hey Jaedong, Flash's fan just reset that game after it had been going on for a while, would you mind if we just said that was all bullshit that meant nothing, and did the 3rd set from scratch pretty please?"
Only fair after that for the judges to have to decide who was ahead in the game and elect a winner. Maybe someone could argue otherwise if it was only 3 minutes in, but that game had to have been going on for close to 20 minutes.
The worst part is, even if you think Jaedong ultimately won fair and square, it doesn't really matter, because he was never able to really celebrate or feel like he had won.
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If Jaedong had won 3-1 without the blackout, I could accept it and even be happy for him. Now I just feel sorry for both of them, I feel that no-one won tonight.
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On January 23 2010 21:09 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 21:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This was literally the worst dogshit I have ever viewed in my life. I am raging so hard right now it isn't even funny. The MSL finals were in no way legitimate and I sincerely hope no one attempts to take what transpired tonight as anything other than a sign that KESPA and MBCGame Channel don't give a flying shit about e-sports or StarCraft fans. I completely understand your rage over this, but I dont think it is entirely fair to imply that JD doesn't deserve his title.
No, I don't think that at all. I think Jaedong would have won the series anyway.
That doesn't change the fact that the entire event was an utter failure and probably the biggest disappointment imaginable.
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The worst part is, even if you think Jaedong ultimately won fair and square, it doesn't really matter, because he was never able to really celebrate or feel like he had won.
If Jaedong had won 3-1 without the blackout, I could accept it and even be happy for him. Now I just feel sorry for both of them, I feel that no-one won tonight.
Exactly... I know that Jaedong won 3-1 fair and square, but it doesn't feel like a real win.
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Everyone loses in this finals.
JD cant celebrate properly, Flash had his dad ejected from the premises.
MBC had potentially the best series turn into the worst and will be hated.
KeSPA will be loathed for the decision (rightly or wrongly).
And the fans were cheated out of the end of the most intense game of the series and left with a bad taste at the end.
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On January 23 2010 21:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 21:09 7mk wrote:On January 23 2010 21:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
This was literally the worst dogshit I have ever viewed in my life. I am raging so hard right now it isn't even funny. The MSL finals were in no way legitimate and I sincerely hope no one attempts to take what transpired tonight as anything other than a sign that KESPA and MBCGame Channel don't give a flying shit about e-sports or StarCraft fans. I completely understand your rage over this, but I dont think it is entirely fair to imply that JD doesn't deserve his title. No, I don't think that at all. I think Jaedong would have won the series anyway. That doesn't change the fact that the entire event was an utter failure and probably the biggest disappointment imaginable.
ok I misunderstood your post then and I feel the same way
I expected to be happy as hell if JD managed to take down flash but now...
quark put it nicely at the end of one post:
On January 23 2010 21:10 KwarK wrote:
This should have been the peak of JD's career. Forcing Flash to GG on Flash's best map in his best matchup at the peak of his skill. JD was robbed.
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It really blows my mind how this MSL panned out. But I kinda felt it's gonna be disappointing, but this was just too much. ^^'
Why don't just replay the game? It's totally stupid to let someone win by default in a MSL-final and in my Opinion, Flash had a good chance to win this game. 3rd CC going up, many vessels, good pressuring JD's bases, opportunity for Dropship-play like in Game 2, already raped JD's 3rd gas once and killed lots of drones.
JD had a certain advantage, but he was totally on his back foot and thats not a good position to play against JD.
I mean; I was rooting for JD, but 2 very short and one-sided wins for JD and one by default and in between of that hours of drama, was kinda disappointing. At least if you're interested in long and exciting games and not the Drama and Korean commercials. ^^'
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On January 23 2010 21:43 kickinhead wrote:
It really blows my mind how this MSL panned out. But I kinda felt it's gonna be disappointing, but this was just too much. ^^'
Why don't just replay the game? It's totally stupid to let someone win by default in a MSL-final and in my Opinion, Flash had a good chance to win this game. 3rd CC going up, many vessels, good pressuring JD's bases, opportunity for Dropship-play like in Game 2, already raped JD's 3rd gas once and killed lots of drones.
JD had a certain advantage, but he was totally on his back foot and thats not a good position to play against JD.
I mean; I was rooting for JD, but 2 very short and one-sided wins for JD and one by default and in between of that hours of drama, was kinda disappointing. At least if you're interested in long and exciting games and not the Drama and Korean commercials. ^^'
I also had a hunch it was gonna be disappointing but jesus, who would have expected this..
Your analysis is completely wrong though
That 3rd cc was soon to be his only base mining
many vessels? no, low vessel count, low energy.
Pressuring JD's bases with ALL he had.
dropship play? he needed every vessel he could get he couldnt have gone dropship.
Flash was about to lose.
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I wonder if it is possible to write better news articles than those on TL.
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haha...now theres a player called Power Outage...his elo is 2036.
Sad for FBH, he's ranked below Power Outage lmao...
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Well. Bring on the TSL eh guys?
Epic!
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On January 23 2010 22:14 TotalDominator wrote:
haha...now theres a player called Power Outage...his elo is 2036.
Sad for FBH, he's ranked below Power Outage lmao...
Well, unlike PO, FBH never managed to take out Flash when it mattered.
Imagine what would have happened if Flash vs FBH on NeoMedusa had stopped right when FBH was in a dominating spot and Flash was thinking about GGing.
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On January 23 2010 22:15 Alethios wrote:
Well. Bring on the TSL eh guys?
Epic!
Hahahaha I wonder if Artosis is gonna be able to not spoiler anything during the cast... somehow I highly doubt it.
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Reading this absolutely brilliant article makes me so sad about what just happened.
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the match honestly could have went either way. flash still had alot of stuff to keep him in the game pumping meds and rines (as all of you have seen he just kept pumping and pumping away.) and he had enough vessels to easily irradiate all of the defilers and ultras on the field. flash could have taken that base and established more of his own. even towards the very few seconds before the power went out we seen that flash had vessels by jaedongs mineral line at that base indicating he was probably going for another eraser trick with the drones. so even if jaedong was able to defend the base itself his mining there would have been severely disrupted if not halted all together.
on the other hand jaedong could have defended it well by just keeping the vessel count down and plaguing and swarming everything. he did have enought units to defend that base but he DID NOT have the units to take the game. we seen how heavy flashes wall was, he was able to defend it with just rines. no tanks at all. but at the same time flash didnt have units to really take the game either since he was sending them all to atk that bottom left. even if flash took that base it wouldnt have meant he would have automatically won because he didnt have the units to win the game at that point. same with jaedong, even if he defended it he didnt have the units to take the game just yet..
so thats why imho i beleive the game should have been restarted. up until the power outage it really was a stale mate. and honestly in a pro high lvl and high caliber game as that one you just CAN NOT call something like that. in such high lvl of play ANYTHING can happen. we seen that in game 2 just before the game 3 match. it looked like jaedong had the game won in game 2 but flash pulled out a victory. you just cant call stuff like that.
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On January 23 2010 21:46 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2010 21:43 kickinhead wrote:
It really blows my mind how this MSL panned out. But I kinda felt it's gonna be disappointing, but this was just too much. ^^'
Why don't just replay the game? It's totally stupid to let someone win by default in a MSL-final and in my Opinion, Flash had a good chance to win this game. 3rd CC going up, many vessels, good pressuring JD's bases, opportunity for Dropship-play like in Game 2, already raped JD's 3rd gas once and killed lots of drones.
JD had a certain advantage, but he was totally on his back foot and thats not a good position to play against JD.
I mean; I was rooting for JD, but 2 very short and one-sided wins for JD and one by default and in between of that hours of drama, was kinda disappointing. At least if you're interested in long and exciting games and not the Drama and Korean commercials. ^^' I also had a hunch it was gonna be disappointing but jesus, who would have expected this.. Your analysis is completely wrong though That 3rd cc was soon to be his only base mining many vessels? no, low vessel count, low energy. Pressuring JD's bases with ALL he had. dropship play? he needed every vessel he could get he couldnt have gone dropship. Flash was about to lose.
Well, you just can't be sure JD would've won. And yes, Flash was soon to run out of mins on main and natural, but thats no guarantee that JD would've won. About the Vessels: Flash lost lots of Vessels, but he still had enough to irradiate JD's Defilers to keep them from entering Flahses bases. I think Flash could've at least defended his bases.
My point is just, that even if you think it's okay to declare someone a winner when it's pretty obvious (and even that would be kinda stupid in a MSL Finals) this Game was certainly not one of them.
Its pretty obvious JD had a certain advantage, but why don't just replay the game? It's annoying for the players, the people watching, they players parents (as we witnessed ^^') and the whole SC-scene. I'm sure many people will shout out stuff like "rigged" and stuff like that.
It just doesn't make sense... I mean, what could be the reasons not to replay the game:
1) The Match could go too long: Nothing compared to hours of boring debate and commercials.
2) It's annoying for the palyers: I'm sure JD and Flash were pretty annoyed to wait so long and not knowing what will happen.
3) The people watching don't want to see a regame after a 20min game and they want to see results: Well, that's just a matter of opinion. I would've been pretty happy with a 6-Set best-of-5 MSl Finals. ^^' (Instead, we get 4 Set's with one-sided games and the only interesting game being the one that didn't got finished.)
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On January 23 2010 22:24 Ballistixz wrote:
the match honestly could have went either way. flash still had alot of stuff to keep him in the game pumping meds and rines (as all of you have seen he just kept pumping and pumping away.) and he had enough vessels to easily irradiate all of the defilers and ultras on the field. flash could have taken that base and established more of his own. even towards the very few seconds before the power went out we seen that flash had vessels by jaedongs mineral line at that base indicating he was probably going for another eraser trick with the drones. so even if jaedong was able to defend the base itself his mining there would have been severely disrupted if not halted all together.
on the other hand jaedong could have defended it well by just keeping the vessel count down and plaguing and swarming everything. he did have enought units to defend that base but he DID NOT have the units to take the game. we seen how heavy flashes wall was, he was able to defend it with just rines. no tanks at all. but at the same time flash didnt have units to really take the game either since he was sending them all to atk that bottom left. even if flash took that base it wouldnt have meant he would have automatically won because he didnt have the units to win the game at that point. same with jaedong, even if he defended it he didnt have the units to take the game just yet..
so thats why imho i beleive the game should have been restarted. up until the power outage it really was a stale mate. and honestly in a pro high lvl and high caliber game as that one you just CAN NOT call something like that. in such high lvl of play ANYTHING can happen. we seen that in game 2 just before the game 3 match. it looked like jaedong had the game won in game 2 but flash pulled out a victory. you just cant call stuff like that.
Watch the vod on youtube. There's 30 seconds that wasn't shown in the playback. In it Flash makes one more abortive push towards 7, scouts a defiler consuming lings and then in the last 3 seconds Flash retreats his army back to his min only. The battle for 7 was over. This isn't just theorycraft and extrapolation, Flash aborted his last attack on 7 after scouted sunks, ultras and a fully charged defiler. With 7 up and running the game was over.
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On January 23 2010 21:43 kickinhead wrote:
It really blows my mind how this MSL panned out. But I kinda felt it's gonna be disappointing, but this was just too much. ^^'
I was afraid it would be disappointing too, but for completely different reasons. From their previous BO3 (osl), i was thinking the matches wont be 'epic' enough (aside from who it is that's playing), like a muta harrassment leading to gg, or a bunker rush / timing attack. The first match was sort of like that (between 10-15 mins or so), but the second match was great (and quite intense for a while). The real shame is how everything fell apart. That 3rd match was the very definition of epic. Probably one of the most intense TvZs ive seen all year, and it kills me that it didn't occur to anyone to have a UPS battery backup on the hardware in the studio (computers/monitors as well as all the recording equipment). After that, it all went downhill. And unfortunately, nobody can enjoy the end-results, not even JD.
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