mhmmm... Again sth. about Game3: I think ret made a very good point when explaining that a regame would've been more or less a loss for JD, because he had only planned one build for this very Terran-favoured Map. But in my opinion, his Build was very risky, so if Flash just went for some sort of early aggression (and with odd-eye being a 2-player map and flash very often trying to get an offensive bunker up and just retreating if it doesn't work, especially on Maps where you can easily wall-in your natural) he would've had an easy win.

So, JD did this very risky build, thats the first point, the second one is: If there is a rematch and it had to be on odd-eye, flash has no way of knowing whether JD will just play the same Build again or go for an early rush etc. and i'm sure JD knows how to play a build thats very aggressive early on and if he doesnt win, he can allways return to macro...

Tangsta

Australia68 Posts

January 24 2010 07:10 GMT

#282

wow, Jae Dong deserved the title based on the merits of the first game alone!
my goodness, when was the last time a Terran bonjwa was forced to GG from just muta harassing?

I've been a bit out of the loop and this was my first time seeing Flash playing in years
apologies Flash fans, but after hearing all the hooplah with how dominating Flash's TvZ is atm, his performance during those 3 games that were played out properly was relatively weak

chessmaster

United States268 Posts

January 24 2010 08:15 GMT

#283

well lets think outside the box.. did ret think of this ... if a rematch was a auto win for flash .. then replay the game on a different map .. its as simple as that .. why is kespa incapable of making creative decisions... its simple choose a new map that is more or less balanced and has been played an equal amount by both players and let them replay a new game .. i know they will have to come up with unprepared strategies on the spot .. but in a way what would test player prowess and skill more than that...they could even choose a map that had an equal number of games played more or less by both players in the proleague so each would have equal strats revealed .. dun know just an idea

chessmaster

United States268 Posts

January 24 2010 08:33 GMT

#284

also comebacks ahve and do happen in sc all the time .. to say he had ti won 100 percent is not an accurate statement he was not at his natural breaking it .. he had a 3rd cc built ,, but most likely jaedong takes the game .. however psychological things must also be taken into account .. how can you expect a human being to perform after somthing like this happens .. i know if it was me i would be so unhappy after having a game called like that no matter if i was behind or not , and watching my father get ejected from the stadium .we are human not machines not matter how much a machine flash appears he has emotions to . you cant tell me the following game proceeded in the way it would of from its own volition if the 3rd had not ended in that way.. i was rooting for both players i like them both and would have been happy either way ,,so im not just a flash fanboy getting emo .. i realize its a tough sitution with no perfect answer even in an ideal world becuase in an ideal world flashes fan doesnt *&^^% up like that ..... but how can you punish flash for something his fan , and punish the entire e-sporst community by turning the msl finals into a circus ,, but imo this is a fake result and i dont take it too serioulsy .. which sux for jaedong i think many feel this way .. he for sure had the skills to win without this happening and very well may have .. but now this will go down as the worst msl in history ,, waht nore evidence is needed that there needs to be ap layers union of some sort .. kespa needs to be put in check ,, the players are the value here

Render

United States249 Posts

January 24 2010 10:42 GMT

#285

Hwaseung House LOL

Zack1900

United States211 Posts

January 24 2010 17:14 GMT

#286

I would like to see an exhibition rematch of the whole series, but jaedong would have to louse his mind to give flash a chance to take away his glory.

voy[TECH]

Poland63 Posts

January 25 2010 12:17 GMT

#287

On January 24 2010 17:33 chessmaster wrote:
also comebacks ahve and do happen in sc all the time .. to say he had ti won 100 percent is not an accurate statement he was not at his natural breaking it .. he had a 3rd cc built ,, but most likely jaedong takes the game .. however psychological things must also be taken into account .. how can you expect a human being to perform after somthing like this happens .. i know if it was me i would be so unhappy after having a game called like that no matter if i was behind or not , and watching my father get ejected from the stadium .we are human not machines not matter how much a machine flash appears he has emotions to . you cant tell me the following game proceeded in the way it would of from its own volition if the 3rd had not ended in that way.. i was rooting for both players i like them both and would have been happy either way ,,so im not just a flash fanboy getting emo .. i realize its a tough sitution with no perfect answer even in an ideal world becuase in an ideal world flashes fan doesnt *&^^% up like that ..... but how can you punish flash for something his fan , and punish the entire e-sporst community by turning the msl finals into a circus ,, but imo this is a fake result and i dont take it too serioulsy .. which sux for jaedong i think many feel this way .. he for sure had the skills to win without this happening and very well may have .. but now this will go down as the worst msl in history ,, waht nore evidence is needed that there needs to be ap layers union of some sort .. kespa needs to be put in check ,, the players are the value here

My thoughts exactly my friend!!!!

vRoOk

United States1024 Posts

January 26 2010 21:00 GMT

#288

Epic Boxer quote.

Tangsta

Australia68 Posts

February 14 2010 01:47 GMT

#289

@chessmaster: you raised some valid points, but you also pointed out there was no perfect answer - so what exactly do you suggest Kespa should have done in such a situation?
other than take preventive measures to ensure something like this will never happen again

you were being diplomatic and then you ended by blaming everything on Kespa...very confusing

Dada_

Netherlands27 Posts

February 26 2010 13:49 GMT

#290

I'd love to see these games, especially since apparently *something* happened (I don't yet know what, I wanna see for myself first!) but apparently I can't find the VODs. The TLPD doesn't have them linked either. Did anyone get them or were they only on the livestream?