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King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
January 09 2010 06:34 GMT
#21
On January 09 2010 15:08 blue_arrow wrote:
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good article =)
bad timing =(

Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 06:40:56
January 09 2010 06:40 GMT
#22
Maybe it was just due to the lack of practice time or the desire to impress in his first games, but Much's choice of builds just seemed to relay the fact that he was scared of his opponent; that he didn't have the confidence to play a game that lasted too long.


Umm, Much has always used funky cheese builds a lot.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 09 2010 06:42 GMT
#23
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........
Oh my pangshai... What horrible timing on this .

Much just displayed an epic show of fail.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
January 09 2010 07:04 GMT
#24
much accomplished having huge balls
brood war for life, brood war forever
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11143 Posts
January 09 2010 07:12 GMT
#25
effort is not S class
brood war for life, brood war forever
horang3
Profile Joined November 2009
United States261 Posts
January 09 2010 07:17 GMT
#26
a very nice.
Do great work
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16957 Posts
January 09 2010 07:34 GMT
#27
A Pylon Turret ceremony, eh? >_>
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The_Australian
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia458 Posts
January 09 2010 08:32 GMT
#28
Wow i think the whole thing regarding Much was plain wrong. Cheesing 2 games doesnt provide grounds to claim he's scared of his opponents. you said yourself that he's played pretty much every great player multiple times, why would going up against Last and Gogo scare him? doesnt make sense imo.

also the picture of much with the caption (paraphrased) "underneath his calm exterior there is fear in his heart"... just lol.

i'm not even a big Much fan, i just think your over analysing whats going on.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 08:47:14
January 09 2010 08:46 GMT
#29
This article on Much is shit, when Flash rush bunk Jaedong, was it because he was scared? When Boxer does a proxy, is it because he's scared? I don't think so. what the fuck is wrong with you guys always degrading players that goes for what you "frustrated bitches" call "cheese".
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
preacha
Profile Joined January 2010
Norway210 Posts
January 09 2010 10:46 GMT
#30
i pylon<3 much
dont pet a burning dog
BookTwo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
January 09 2010 11:25 GMT
#31
aw I don't know if fbh is the worst tvp'er. jaehoon is pretty bad
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
January 09 2010 12:06 GMT
#32
Very nice report

Much :D
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pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
January 09 2010 12:22 GMT
#33
On January 09 2010 17:46 paulinepain wrote:
This article on Much is shit, when Flash rush bunk Jaedong, was it because he was scared? When Boxer does a proxy, is it because he's scared? I don't think so. what the fuck is wrong with you guys always degrading players that goes for what you "frustrated bitches" call "cheese".

i think you might've misunderstood what i'm trying to get at. much doesn't want the game to get into late game cause his mechanics cannot hold up. most ace players are that way cause they don't get enough practice time. when i said "fear of his opponents" i more of meant, fear of his opponent's late game management skills.
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r3z3nd3
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil522 Posts
January 09 2010 13:29 GMT
#34
What's a Pylon Turret?
Born to fast expand
iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1497 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 14:50:46
January 09 2010 14:43 GMT
#35
Or maybe he did this strat because he knew that his opponent sucks early game? You'll never know. But why making supposition when there is no evidence? Instead of saying that Much was scared of i don't know what kind of thing, why don't you just say that his opponent didn't anticipate 10 years old strat, and he just fucked up big time. That would be more fair.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 09 2010 14:50 GMT
#36
i'm sad for ace. they can't accomplish anything at all.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
InFdude
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Bulgaria619 Posts
January 09 2010 15:22 GMT
#37
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
January 09 2010 15:33 GMT
#38
On January 09 2010 15:08 blue_arrow wrote:
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good article =)
bad timing =(


Truth.

Katrina being played twice is to the detriment of Much's accomplishment, not an addition.
Katrina was hugely imbalanced for P in PvT.

It's such a shame that roro is doing bad. He was supposed to be the next best thing for wemade and he hasn't lived up to his potential.

Also, you guys didn't mention that when it gets to ace, players are usually playing against the best player, or a dangerous sniper, on the other team.
Zero may be 3-5 but this record isn't that bad if you look at his opponents. two examples of his matches were: a game against savior (not easy) and then effort (ridiculously difficult) and Stork twice (also ridiculously difficult).
Sullifam
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-09 15:36:18
January 09 2010 15:34 GMT
#39
Much is a hero. He's by far my favorite player and I'm exceptionally excited at his last couple wins in ACE -- Especially considering he is my favorite player and is now on my favorite team.

That being said, I've been a Much fan for a very long time, but he did become a cheesier player as his skill level dropped in comparison to his opponents. I can see where the article is coming from when it suggests that he uses builds out of fear. It's most likely true, because this type of play is more likely to get a win against an opponent with superior skill.

I love Much, but not because I think he's the best or he's brilliant. I just really love his playstyle and his persona.

I will say, he fucking DESTROYED go.go, though. =)
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
January 09 2010 17:11 GMT
#40
On January 10 2010 00:33 ghostWriter wrote:
Katrina being played twice is to the detriment of Much's accomplishment, not an addition.
Katrina was hugely imbalanced for P in PvT.

yes indeed. i just thought i had to include it cause if i didn't, someone would point out that much beating sea 3-2 wasn't special.

On January 09 2010 23:43 paulinepain wrote:
Or maybe he did this strat because he knew that his opponent sucks early game? You'll never know. But why making supposition when there is no evidence? Instead of saying that Much was scared of i don't know what kind of thing, why don't you just say that his opponent didn't anticipate 10 years old strat, and he just fucked up big time. That would be more fair.

i'm not discrediting the win. the article more of wants to look at what these 2 games mean for much's future. i mean, definitely, his opponent didn't anticipate a 10 year old strat and fucked up big time, and much also microed his DTs pretty well (mine drags and all), but what we're trying to look at is what the builds say for much.
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