EPT[GG] Mafia XII - The Summer Season - Page 8
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
And I will opt for Double Lynches when their are two guilty looking candidates with clues backing this up, similarly to BC. However, he didn't mention the pledges will not show up in the vote checks, which could turn into a huge nuisance for the town, rain/snow being the other option in this case. Also, The town circles he mentions in keeping everyone together nearly destroyed the town last game as they led to blue's dropping left and right, and shows even credible people like ace or ver can mess up in this position. Furthermore, BC is an intelligent guy, and whether this could incredibly help favor the town or gut everyone in it, is purely up to chance. If there was a mafia running for Emperor, we could rolecheck and figure it out, but what if BC or L is godfather? I ran before the roles were assigned so therefore my chance of being godfather are 1/38. If you rolecheck me, you could easily find out my role ( with a small doubt) , as opposed to BC or L where i don't know why you would even bother rolechecking to be honest as there will always be that possibility. So i guess the question is do you want to actually play a game of mafia and play it safe with me, or risk it big with BC or L. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Fog will give us a general idea of how many pledges we are dealing with, as well as killing half of the pledge KP. If we opt for rain later, that is useful. But honestly if a town is unable to win a game of mafia without votechecking, we are screwed. The pure reason for not wanting to bother much with it is based purely on previous games where with votecheck town gets reds way to easily and barely win or dominate (and spoils the fun) and without it mafia just dominates. Here we have a chance for players to learn how to play the game and if we need the votecheck use it, but you advocate on it way to much would would lead me to think you plan on depending on it, but that gives you pledges, while the gf and reg mafia run free. Clue/behavioural analysis are insanely effective if the town stays unified, which is what we must do fast. If mafia disrupts the leadership of the town we are gone. As it stands now, the chances of heavon, myself or L being gf are not guarenteed. We have spent alot of time arguing weather, and almost no one is active/voting yet which means they really don't have to jump out and play seriously as we are already in semi chaos, mafia can easily just fan that chaos and mislead our lynches. Overall, in terms of experience L and I have the most from running, and from general platforms he and I would do things most likely very similarly. Hense either one of us makes a more reasonable choice. I would urge the town to ignore heavon on the base of "i ran before i had my role" as he never gave a solid campaign, he was around yesterday and didn't provide a campaign, and is just now bothering with it. He also mentions the rolechecking of him where it would be easy to find out his role, yet his chances of rolling the gf are just as high as mine or L's do not get confused by this. L, myself and Heavon all have the same chances of being the GF, its also not true that him in office is playing it safe. He hasn't given a serious idea of what to do other than "hey i ran early with no platform and have the same chance of being GF, vs Two people who are trying to create a form of order, have experience in leadership or town circles as heads. as for town circles, I do not mean last game as I was traitor last game and my object was to do exactly as he mentioned. In this case, there is no traitor role, and if you read up any previous game i played and compare to last game, you would realize im town. NOW, Due to his wanting to rely on votechecks, lack of experience not wanting to rolecheck me or L (lwut?) and asking for pure trust based on no campaign platform before his role (or before other candidates) leads me to believe that he wants the position purely from what his role is. Most pre role campaigners have a platform they run off, this was not the case. His lack of campaigning quickly leads me to believe he is either dt/priest or mafia/gf. He is not safe, do not vote for him. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
L, myself and Heavon all have the same chances of being the GF Wrong. If every person decided to run for office , sure, but only you and L decided to run specifically , after roles were assigned, whereas i ran beforehand. There's no doubt in my mind if someone from mafia decided to run for Emperor it would be the GF, because you can now directly rolecheck the office, as in previous games you could not. There i believe either you or L is in fact the godfather, unless someone else runs for candidacy. I ran before this thread was even created, and neither you nor L, opted to do so. In my opinion there should be at least 3 people running before roles are even assigned like previous games to even be considered for office. My lack of campaigning was due to the game being entirely different from previous ones, and even then, what campaigning? fog is clearly the best option for now, and double lynches are just common sense, that any person could do, barring activity, and obviously I'll be a very active player. Therefore, the only thing i lack is your leadership qualities and experience, that i said before is a double-edged sword. Yes, you could drastically help the town, but at the same time if you are the gf you could easily cripple the town. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
YOU opted to wait, making a delayed real entry till after two other campaigns were started and other than your campaign post and this one you just made, have made no real contribution other than "hey i agree with those guys, just dont vote for them". Your role plays as much a part of you as anyone else at this point in terms of election, and don't think differently. Every other game with campaigns before roles have led to real campaigns and planning and how people would do things, you offered nothing. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
leads me to believe that he wants the position purely from what his role is. Or rather, from what role i believe you or L to be, in fact, i can almost guarantee one of us 3 is the GF, provided no one else runs for office. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
You knew via plexa's signup thread roughly how this game would feel and had plenty of time to make a platform, instead you waited. The game changed from plexa's original post, if you didn't notice. So in actuality i just had from the time this thread was made to make a good platform, just like you guys. So , let me get this straight, because you ran a couple hours before me, you're going to claim i copied off you? That's ridiculous, i merely agreed after i read the OP and made my decision and like i said before coming up with fog as the best option and double lynching were relatively easy to pick up, and I'm sure anyone would agree with me on this. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
But honestly if a town is unable to win a game of mafia without a good player in office, we are screwed. The pure reason for not wanting to bother much with it is based purely on previous games where with a good mayor town gets reds way to easily and barely win or dominate (and spoils the fun) and with a mafia in office, mafia just dominates. Here we have a chance for players to learn how to play the game and if we need the leadership role, use it, but you advocate on it way to much would would lead me to think you plan on depending on it. - Hey, i can do it too. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 04 2009 06:10 HeavOnEarth wrote: Actually, at this point i believe BC is town aligned and i encourage people to vote for him as he will have mine. Earlier you said that you can "almost guarentee" that one of you, L, and BC is the Godfather. Based on this statement, does that mean you now think L is the Godfather? Unless you want to claim to be the Godfather instead... | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
Fog will give us a general idea of how many pledges we are dealing with uhm yeah, it'll tell us whether we have <=1 or >=6. I'm pretty sure we can already assume it's somewhere between 2 and 5 even without seeing KP results. @HeavOn Or rather, from what role i believe you or L to be, in fact, i can almost guarantee one of us 3 is the GF, provided no one else runs for office. I run for office. Ohh snap what's your plan now son? My platform is to use fog the first time, lynch heav0n and then kick ass and chew bubblegum. Your whole argument is based on "I ran before roles". What happened to that rule from one of the previous games where running before roles was forbidden as it compromised the spirit of the game? I think we should put that in all subsequent mafia games to avoid "hurf blurf i'm less likely to be GF than u" which sidetracks actual useful discussion | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 04 2009 06:24 JeeJee wrote: I run for office. That's a joke right? | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
no need to indict me back into useless banter JeeJee =/ | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
THIS game has not changed enough from signup thread to this thread to warrant you not having a pre game platform for running almost as soon as joined the game. So no, you should have had a early game platform. As for copied no, but you should provide something different or new, other then "RELY ON VOTECHECKS" Seriously man, come up with some new campaign other than saying your the safe choice | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
mafia don't show up when vote checked, and although one of the pledges is the suicide bomber which would be a huge gain if lynched, there's too many of them anyways. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
 nothing has really happened in the last 6 hours. I guess JeeJee started running and Heavonearth finally gave a platform but meh. Not good for town. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
All was quiet in the town of Liquiville. The sleepy town had never been one which dabbled in the troubles of bigger cities and was content to live a simple country life. The moon was high in the sky with the light filtering through the windows The assassin's prefer moonlight/ darkness? of the village folk when the silence was broken by a shrill sharp yell. Confused, two of the village folk went out to investigate the strange noises. Their search lead them to the Emperor’s Palace, a find they wished they could just forget. As they stepped through the gates they saw a sight which resembled a bloody battle. The bodyguards were strung up on lines like a human clothes line. Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground. The two forced themselves to continue on, for the sake of the town. They tread through the blood and into the inner palace. Little did Camlito and Ace know that this foolish move would be their last. As they entered, a bomb went off to their right, sending a pillar crashing down One mafia uses bombs as a his method of killing on top of the poor innocent townies. Both were flattened into human pancakes. The events at the Palace were not yet through for the night. Plexa, the Emperor, had heard the noises, seen his Bodyguards brutally tortured and murdered and heard the explosion down stairs. He knew that whoever the intruders were, they were after him. Fortunately Plexa’s Palace was well equipped with hiding places after his Uncle’s erratic fear of giant spiders. It was not difficult for him to completely conceal his presence in the room. Two men were rummaging around in a room nearby, where exactly he could not tell. The sounds came closer and closer and very soon they were in the same room as him. He saw two men; one tall and lanky, the other carrying an explosive device. Again, the guy with bombs. Pretty much confirmed(?) this is his method of killing/related as a clue. Also both suspects are human males, the bomber not described and the other, tall and lanky. Their plan became immediate to him, they were going to blow his palace up with him inside. The two began setting the device while Plexa buried himself in his hiding place. “Wait” said one of them. Plexa heard footsteps, he heard gun load, he felt the cold of the barrel up against the back of his neck. The man pulled the trigger. The Emperor was dead. Gun+ really good .. hearing(?), or did he know his uncle's hiding spots.. maybe it is his "Uncle" - which hates big spiders. Dawn broke, and the cry of the countless vultures overhead woke the villagers from their slumber. The smell of death filled the air and immediately they all knew their quiet little village would stay quiet no longer. Amongst the ruins of the Palace the village found the body of their beloved Emperor as well as the bodies of his fallen guards. There was a note posted on the town gallows which read “We will not rest until every last villagers is dead. You will all pay for what you have done to me”. The town was confused at this note, but knew what they must do. A new Emperor must be elected, one prepared to fight the Mafia insurgence and save the town from brutal slaughter. He wants revenge. How has he been betrayed? + Show Spoiler [BWdero] + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/34581.jpg?1238192112) | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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