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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
July 03 2009 16:06 GMT
#121
I am not trolling you when I say we should vote Sunny.

Also, we need clarification on the mystic vs Godfather debate. If the Godfather's power takes effect instantly (and prior to mystic using his power) then checking out BC might cause more headaches than benefits because:
- BC might be Townie and flip green
- BC might be Godfather and flip green
- BC might be Mafia and Godfather might use Cover on him so he flips green
- BC might be Townie and Godfather's Cover might cause him to flip red
- BC might be Mafia and just flip red and he might try to argue the above

I doubt he will actually flip red. However, even if he does flip green there are enough scenarios for us to not trust him fully. Remember - town circles should only form and people should only tell someone their role only if there is a 100% chance they are innocent.

I feel like BC is playing like his normal self (bossy, assertive, logically sound) but I am scared to fully trust him from the get go. ~21% of the players were chosen to be mafia so it is possible that either him or MBH were chosen to be mafia. That should lead the town to be suspicious from the get-go.

However, BC is the best candidate for emperor by leaps and bounds. I'm sort of torn but I will go ahead and support his candidacy.

Also, WE SHOULD VOTE SUNNY.
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So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 03 2009 16:12 GMT
#122
Why would we want to vote sunny? :S

Only thing it would do is give our assassins the ability to kill. When we don't have any decent leads, at all. All the other weather options would be superior at this point in the game.

Only reason I'm even giving this a reply is because you say you aren't trolling, so if you aren't, what's your reasoning?
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
July 03 2009 16:20 GMT
#123
All will be revealed in due time my friend. There was a reason why I didn't explain myself.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
July 03 2009 16:24 GMT
#124
Question to Plexa (also sent in a PM): How much time do we have before weather is decided? Same timeframe as election?
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
July 03 2009 16:44 GMT
#125
^^

The option with the most votes will be announced during the lynching and the weather will change immediately.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 03 2009 16:47 GMT
#126
On July 03 2009 16:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
And hey a bunch of useless posts by you.

Heres some tips for you.

Stop just insulting people and post something useful towards the town, like possible avenues for the town to win, or to deal with mafia, etc...
we have three people running for office, of those three two have provided some form of platform,

So concentrate on voting for two people. This creates as L said, vote lists to check later.


Oh yes I'm sorry, I should be listening to you because you're smarter than me and a better player than me right? Even though you hardly know anything about me you must be a better player than me, it only makes sense. The fact that you think my posts are useless (I know some of them are relax) just shows how annoying you are. And I'll be damned if when you're elected Emperor you don't lynch MrBabyHands; I'm sure you're just going to wait until tomorrow to actually start figuring out the mafia.

See I've competently lead(along with sog) a town to victory in a elected position, and we manhandled the mafia.


The people I've talked to seem to think this is an incredible exaggeration, but I'm going to assume that's just a minor discrepancy.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 03 2009 16:48 GMT
#127
On July 04 2009 01:20 redtooth wrote:
All will be revealed in due time my friend. There was a reason why I didn't explain myself.


... And it's a better reason than reducing mafia kp night 1 by voting for foggy? Praytell, redtooth, what trickery is this?


On a sidenote i wish this is how the weather was like in real life. Don't want to go to school today? Vote snow!!
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
July 03 2009 16:54 GMT
#128
On July 04 2009 01:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
... And it's a better reason than reducing mafia kp night 1 by voting for foggy? Praytell, redtooth, what trickery is this?


On a sidenote i wish this is how the weather was like in real life. Don't want to go to school today? Vote snow!!


Even if you were an assassin, using a kill the first night when there's not as much information to go around is risky. Assassins are better off waiting until we can pin down for sure suspects. Right now fog is probably the best option, go read through Pyrry's and BC's posts as they have the best reasoning.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
July 03 2009 16:59 GMT
#129
On July 04 2009 01:54 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 01:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
... And it's a better reason than reducing mafia kp night 1 by voting for foggy? Praytell, redtooth, what trickery is this?


On a sidenote i wish this is how the weather was like in real life. Don't want to go to school today? Vote snow!!


Even if you were an assassin, using a kill the first night when there's not as much information to go around is risky. Assassins are better off waiting until we can pin down for sure suspects. Right now fog is probably the best option, go read through Pyrry's and BC's posts as they have the best reasoning.


I know fog is our best choice -- which is why I'm skeptical of redtooth's idea here.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
July 03 2009 17:00 GMT
#130
On July 04 2009 01:54 Foolishness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 01:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
... And it's a better reason than reducing mafia kp night 1 by voting for foggy? Praytell, redtooth, what trickery is this?


On a sidenote i wish this is how the weather was like in real life. Don't want to go to school today? Vote snow!!


Even if you were an assassin, using a kill the first night when there's not as much information to go around is risky. Assassins are better off waiting until we can pin down for sure suspects. Right now fog is probably the best option, go read through Pyrry's and BC's posts as they have the best reasoning.


unless he already figured out for sure suspects....you gotta give us more redtooth
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
July 03 2009 17:06 GMT
#131
Sorry guys. Not yet.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
July 03 2009 17:38 GMT
#132
Guys I don't expect you all to vote Sunny on blind trust but I ask that you hold your votes for fog until I've had a chance to argue. I'm just waiting for the inputs from a few individuals and then I'll release my plan to the public.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 03 2009 18:11 GMT
#133
On July 04 2009 01:06 redtooth wrote:
I am not trolling you when I say we should vote Sunny.

Also, we need clarification on the mystic vs Godfather debate. If the Godfather's power takes effect instantly (and prior to mystic using his power) then checking out BC might cause more headaches than benefits because:
- BC might be Townie and flip green
- BC might be Godfather and flip green
- BC might be Mafia and Godfather might use Cover on him so he flips green
- BC might be Townie and Godfather's Cover might cause him to flip red
- BC might be Mafia and just flip red and he might try to argue the above

I doubt he will actually flip red. However, even if he does flip green there are enough scenarios for us to not trust him fully. Remember - town circles should only form and people should only tell someone their role only if there is a 100% chance they are innocent.

I feel like BC is playing like his normal self (bossy, assertive, logically sound) but I am scared to fully trust him from the get go. ~21% of the players were chosen to be mafia so it is possible that either him or MBH were chosen to be mafia. That should lead the town to be suspicious from the get-go.

However, BC is the best candidate for emperor by leaps and bounds. I'm sort of torn but I will go ahead and support his candidacy.

Also, WE SHOULD VOTE SUNNY.


The GF's power does not act instantly, if you read how the mechanic works he sends who he wants to use it on with the mafia hitlist. The following morning it takes effect. SO till day 2, we have a window for the mystics to use their checks. Which means only one player in this game will come up incorrectly to the check.

One mystic checks me, one checks L or mbh. very low chance on any of us being the gf, and impossible for all 3 to be gf, ie if both people checked come back as no to the "are they mafia" then guarenteed one, if not both are safe.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
July 03 2009 18:27 GMT
#134
confirming got my role and can post
confused by timezones, was planning on reading this saturday morning EST..

don't get why weather is a debate at all, fog is the obvious choice at this point
you don't say "no wait on fog, we gotta vote sunny but i'm not going to tell you why yet". Maybe you should wait until you actually have something to say before bringing that up. it's not like weather votes are final

also shikyo is mafia
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 03 2009 18:29 GMT
#135
On July 04 2009 03:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 01:06 redtooth wrote:
I am not trolling you when I say we should vote Sunny.

Also, we need clarification on the mystic vs Godfather debate. If the Godfather's power takes effect instantly (and prior to mystic using his power) then checking out BC might cause more headaches than benefits because:
- BC might be Townie and flip green
- BC might be Godfather and flip green
- BC might be Mafia and Godfather might use Cover on him so he flips green
- BC might be Townie and Godfather's Cover might cause him to flip red
- BC might be Mafia and just flip red and he might try to argue the above

I doubt he will actually flip red. However, even if he does flip green there are enough scenarios for us to not trust him fully. Remember - town circles should only form and people should only tell someone their role only if there is a 100% chance they are innocent.

I feel like BC is playing like his normal self (bossy, assertive, logically sound) but I am scared to fully trust him from the get go. ~21% of the players were chosen to be mafia so it is possible that either him or MBH were chosen to be mafia. That should lead the town to be suspicious from the get-go.

However, BC is the best candidate for emperor by leaps and bounds. I'm sort of torn but I will go ahead and support his candidacy.

Also, WE SHOULD VOTE SUNNY.



One mystic checks me, one checks L or mbh. very low chance on any of us being the gf, and impossible for all 3 to be gf, ie if both people checked come back as no to the "are they mafia" then guarenteed one, if not both are safe.

Only problem there is that the mystics could potentially check the same person. Just have to be left up to luck, I guess, in who they decide to check.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 03 2009 18:35 GMT
#136
On July 04 2009 03:29 So no fek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2009 03:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On July 04 2009 01:06 redtooth wrote:
I am not trolling you when I say we should vote Sunny.

Also, we need clarification on the mystic vs Godfather debate. If the Godfather's power takes effect instantly (and prior to mystic using his power) then checking out BC might cause more headaches than benefits because:
- BC might be Townie and flip green
- BC might be Godfather and flip green
- BC might be Mafia and Godfather might use Cover on him so he flips green
- BC might be Townie and Godfather's Cover might cause him to flip red
- BC might be Mafia and just flip red and he might try to argue the above

I doubt he will actually flip red. However, even if he does flip green there are enough scenarios for us to not trust him fully. Remember - town circles should only form and people should only tell someone their role only if there is a 100% chance they are innocent.

I feel like BC is playing like his normal self (bossy, assertive, logically sound) but I am scared to fully trust him from the get go. ~21% of the players were chosen to be mafia so it is possible that either him or MBH were chosen to be mafia. That should lead the town to be suspicious from the get-go.

However, BC is the best candidate for emperor by leaps and bounds. I'm sort of torn but I will go ahead and support his candidacy.

Also, WE SHOULD VOTE SUNNY.



One mystic checks me, one checks L or mbh. very low chance on any of us being the gf, and impossible for all 3 to be gf, ie if both people checked come back as no to the "are they mafia" then guarenteed one, if not both are safe.

Only problem there is that the mystics could potentially check the same person. Just have to be left up to luck, I guess, in who they decide to check.


True, but we can hope we get lucky and one person checks L one me (due to us being people running for office). The only mafia who can run for it without being caught by check is the GF, hense if they fielded anyone for the position, it should be him. Overall we need our dts to be active, and hopefully reading the thread to know who to check.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 03 2009 18:47 GMT
#137
One way to decide it, if the DTs are paying attention to this thread, would be to have say 1-19 (on the player list) check you, and then 20-38 check L. There's no guarantee that the DTs aren't close to each other in number, and thus they'd end up checking the same person, but it might statistically be a decent idea.
#1 Shuttle fan - TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #36 BW4lyfe
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
July 03 2009 18:49 GMT
#138
That it would
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
July 03 2009 19:02 GMT
#139
On July 04 2009 03:27 JeeJee wrote:
also shikyo is mafia


Oh jeez, here we go again...

Fog is looking like the obvious weather at this point, but I'd like to wait and see on Redtooth's reasoning before making a final decision.

As for emperor, it seems like BC is the better choice right now, but again. Not enough info to satisfy me here.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 19:11:10
July 03 2009 19:10 GMT
#140
ok guys. i talked with BC and it seems like my plan is not as spiffy as initially thought to be. go ahead and vote fog. we might be able to use it in the future so i'm gonna keep it sort of hidden for now.

and if BC is GF its game over.

e: left out two words in the last sentence
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