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Qualifications: read the past 5 games. Reasons: I don't feel like dying first night again. Mafia know how much of a threat I am regardless of role. Furthermore, I have absolutely no trust in medics to keep me alive after everyone second guessed protting me the last time I was town while one doofus protted the guy I had declared mafia. I don't have anything to say about accountability because I'll make it glaringly obvious that I'm on the town's side. Because being mafia takes so much time I only make the minimum number of posts; when I'm town it's the exact opposite. Mafia will no doubt wish to discredit or ignore me but that will only lead them to their ruin quicker. | ||
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@Lucas. Incognito is correct. In Chuiu's game (2 games ago) I was vigilante and put myself in the open and died to 3 hits with only 1 prot everyone though everyone knew I was the prime target. My vote was on Caller because I felt he was likely innocent and at this stage given the overall skill of the players running I want innocent officeholders above all else. BC is also likely innocent but I'm not as sure on this one. Innocents list: Caller 95% BC 85% Based on running time one or two of the last three people who joined the race are probably mafia. Will need more time to get a better picture. | ||
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On May 17 2009 08:29 nemY wrote: Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not! Hey I think you're bogus. If you actually are a dt well you should know better. Now Nemy, I want you to list exactly who pm'ed you about being a blue. Then I want those people to confirm it publically. There's really no risk to doing this unless someone has been off in the mountains doing behavior analysis training and wants to hide it. We can figure out how to proceed from there. But I think you're making this up. The number of people who can figure that out, on the first day no less, is less than a tenth of the total people here. I know the post that would make people think Either you're BS'ing completely (and thus are mafia/traitor), or you just got baited by mafia trying to get a response from you. Here's what I think: you're the traitor. The traitor's goal is to cause maximum chaos and mess over the town as much as they can. And they have to do it solo. This is the perfect way for a traitor to disrupt everythin, potentially get an office, or otherwise waste medic protection (it's what I do in IRL games as traitor). Nemy's roleclaim has caused and will cause more confusion. The mafia will no doubt try to take advantage of this confusion and push their candidate forward while the town is panicking about. We have to be on alert and call this. Be ready mr Savior sense Ace because we know it's coming. Summary: Nobody vote for Nemy. | ||
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Continuing from here: I know the post that would make people think- -you are a blue but even 2 games ago when SoG basically claimed blue during the election NOBODY NOTICED. Now all of a sudden because of an (admittedly stupid) post you got found out by multiple people within a few hours? You might've gotten baited by mafia searching for blues via pm's but from multiple people? This just reeks of stupidity. And if you were a DT, why on earth would you post that incriminating post the first place. You've seen how well skilled behavior analysts can figure out blues and I would consider it unlikely if one of the top behavior analysts wasn't mafia. | ||
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On May 17 2009 11:42 HeavOnEarth wrote: hey ver how do we know you're not mafia and this isn't just a ploy to make sure he doesn't get votes; so that you're ensured mayor? Because it's completely illogical to vote him in. We have no reason to believe him and Nemy's pulled this fake roleclaiming in the past. Whether Nemy is DT, traitor, Mafia, or any other role is irrelevent. He has provided us ZERO reasoning why we should put him in office. If I was mafia I wouldn't be posting so much because I'd be spending all my time on mafia strategy/organizing. Pay attention and you'll see for yourself if you aren't convinced yet but posting stuff like this is just adding confusion and chaos to the fire. Don't do it. | ||
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On May 17 2009 11:59 Mynock wrote: nemY, if you indeed want to help the Town, please do this. Other than that, putting you on Traitor explains a lot of your actions. No platform, causing disturbance, trying to get into office no matter what, possibly luring out DTs... It fits. Nice I didn't see that. Glad that we're on the same page. | ||
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Yes Scamp I've been pm'ing people actively. I didn't want to post and get stuck in this quagmire; confirm my behavior now with my behavior 2 games ago (when I was vigi and took 3 hits night 1). I stayed out of the vigi debates then because there was no benefit to joining them. It's policy to give the mafia rope for hanging themselves and to not get stuck in the bushes on dumb discussion. Now onto the Nemy thing: The interesting part of the Nemy situation is it gives the mafia a chance to argue the town's case which does not hurt the mafia. I jumped on this early to let others blend in and see how far they would go. But yes, the town does not want Nemy in office. Every single person who is voting for Nemy is voting because they are afraid of losing a DT early (and thus are almost assuredly town). That is not the right kind of logic. His behavior, at the very least, has been EXTRMELY fishy. There's more to it though. I'll say it right now; Nemy is not mafia (the only possibility is that he is mafia and Ace & co want to use him as a sacrifice to prove their innocence). a) his move is WAY too quick for being mafia (mafia need time to organize). b) it makes no sense. In a veteran's game? Why would a mafia pull this? Yeah a lot of gullible/fearful people are voting for him (STOP NOW). So yes if Nemy is mafia and he's being used as a sacrifice we'll find that out soon enough. Right now there is not enough evidence to lynch Nemy on that. Yes Nemy's behavior is TERRIBLE. Seriously Nemy you know better if you are DT. Nemy is either traitor, DT, or any other town role. For all we know he could be veteran. He does this stuff in the past (false roleclaiming) and we have no reason to believe him. Only he and the mafia can prove his role from now on. The mafia doesn't know whether he's DT, traitor, or whatever. They can take the risk and hit him, or not. Either way we will force them to do our job. Again, the town has no reason to lynch Nemy. HOWEVER Ace is taking this too far. He had his rope. He had his opportunity to go appear innocent. And he hung himself on it. It is not in the town's interests to lynch Nemy. Because here's the thing, we don't want to lynch the traitor. The traitor has no ACTUAL power. The traitor's only power is influence and words. He can cause mass chaos. But if we know who the traitor is, he is POWERLESS. Nemy is not mafia unless he is a sacrifice. That means we have no reason to lynch him! Yet Ace is going all out trying to get this. Look at this from a behavior standpoint: Mafia are the ones who are this aggressive. See RoL and Attackzerg trying to get Ace lyched/discredited in BC's first game. Now for a direct comparison: remember when Ace defended mikeymoo in Caller's game (Ace was innocent so was Mikeymoo)? He was voracious in defending mikeymoo, but he was not voracious in lynching BC even though BC was full of BS. Yes he wanted BC lynched but he didn't go crazy like he is now. Because that's a sure sign of mafia behavior: being overaggressive to get a lynch. In case anyone wants to relate to the Folca/Ace scenario, that is a completely different thing. Because then Folca roleclaimed with a specific intent to prove something, i,e that Ace was mafia. Thus in that circumstance Ace's logic train is true and the correct choice of action (and he would've done it if he was townie I'm sure). Because if you lynch the accuser you know everything about the accused role. However, now here Nemy just plain roleclaimed. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE LYNCH HIM? WE GET NO BENEFIT. NOTHING. Under the present circumstances there is NO reason to lynch Nemy. Ace you screwed up. This is not Savior sense. This is not to the benefit of the town. And you people who agree with his logic (mikeymoo, bockit), you guys better think through exactly what he's recommending. Game 3 and now are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Furthermore, the Ace voting train, you guys are all suspect. You people are clearly trying to push him into mayor over me. Not gonna happen. I'll dissect through suspects in a bit. ------------------------------- The Mayor election: I said in my intro speech that mafia will want to cast doubt onto me. That is exactly what was happened from MTF, Mynock, and Ace (yes other people did it too but they are almost surely innocent). Mafia obviously know how dangerous I am. They want me dead. Thus mafia will attempt to subtly discredit me in any way possible, and this is exactly what the trio did. They are prime suspects at the moment (for other reasons too obviously this is just icing). As for mayor votes, they show the final part of the tell. You guys remember how I declared Caller and BC almost postively innocent very early. It was a simple trick. They did not earn ANY votes. I'll tell you right now that a mafia candidate never lacks votes. In fact, I don't think a mafia candidate has ever failed to get elected when they tried. The only possible way they could be mafia is if the mafia had so many people running that they wanted to push their most prominent candidates in. However, I believe this is extremely unlikely simply by behavior analysis. When two distinct metrics agree with each other, I think it's pretty safe to close the case. This also proves another person innocent: Showtime! I'll admit I haven't confirmed showtime innocent via behavior. He's a tricky character. But I will say that Mynock/Ace are DEFINITELY not anywhere close to being confirmed innocent. Which at least for Ace is abnormal because 2 games ago I confirmed him innocent halfway through the mayor election. This isn't that huge but it's more on the table. The Ace/Mynock problem is interesting, as one of my associates pointed out, that both of them are perfectly fine with the other getting elected. They are being way too buddy buddy with each other. My associate and myself both agree that their complete trust in each other signifies something deeper. Yes they also listed me with them, because of course they'd stand out. But furthermore I was almost guaranteed a spot at the stage (not anymore obviously; there is a distinct chance of both grabbing a slot). This is a way to read things too. I caught Camlito as a DT in BC's first game because he was so certain that I was mafia yet didn't say much or give reasons (aka he rolechecked me and I turned up mafia). This game Mynock/Ace are betray Caller/BC are both innocent as well. However, neither of them have any votes. Showtime is not here right now because he's at some family event but I have talked with him a lot. Showtime is an extremely good player who is always cloaked in the dark; if you want proof I kill him off asap even when I know he's towny. Yes he's hard to read. But he's much more likely innocent than any candidate who has more than a vote. Thus switch your votes now. We still have time. If we move fast mafia will be isolated or be forced to change their votes too. We do not want Ace, Mynock, or Nemy in office. Ace is almost positively mafia. Mynock is probably mafia but it is less certain. Nemy is probably not mafia but is useless in office. I want Caller, BC, or Showtime in office with me. But showtime is the only one who really has a chance right now. Switch to him off of Ace, Mynock, Nemy please. Summary: Don't vote for Nemy Don't vote for Ace Don't vote for Mynock Vote for Showtime | ||
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Mafia list: Ace 95% mrbabyhands 92% Mynock 90% MTF 80% L 78% Infinity21 70% Traitor: Nemy 90% Innocents list: Caller 97% BC 93% Malongo 85% Tricode 84% Lucaswoj 83% Incognito 80% Fusionsdf 77% | ||
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Mafia list: Ace 95% Mynock 93% mrbabyhands 92% MTF 80% L 78% Infinity21 70% Traitor: Nemy 90% Innocents list: Caller 97% BC 93% Malongo 85% Tricode 84% Lucaswoj 83% Incognito 80% Fusionsdf 77% | ||
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On May 18 2009 09:10 Ace wrote: I'd tl:dr your post Ver, but I just masturbated and got a sudden burst of energy. I'll also only address the part of your post directly with my name in it, since if a post doesn't include my name I skip it. Sorry - but this is where you fucked up. I've said it plenty of times, I'm aggressive because it's how I feel like being. Whether I'm townie or Mafia I play with a free conscience because I honestly don't think anybody can read anything I do and you've just proven my point. You can also ask Mr.BabyHands - I've played an aggressive townie style before. It's not a Mafia trait at all. Now onto your analysis of nemy. You've failed to point out something significant: The difference between this game and the game with BC was that I pointed out that BC might be the Village Idiot hence we don't even care what happens to him. The real danger is lynching mikeymoo because we have no information about him based on what BC did. This scenario is different as there is no one being accused - this is just a role claim at a bad time. What also makes this different is that unlike when Empyrean claimed DT on Day 1, nemy lied. In Mafia 2 I had no reason to lynch Empyrean as soon as I got Mayor because empyrean only claimed to be a DT and didn't say anything about having a way to prove it. So we just let him be. nemy got caught in a lie. Badly. See the difference? If nemy was a DT that just played his hand wrong we could surely just say ok buddy, no office for you and keep things hush after that. He lied on got caught and that changes everything as an innocent doesn't have to lie to the town on information that would help us greatly. Hell, he STILL hasn't even given it to us and when asked he tried to be cool like me - but failed. Also if nemy is a traitor - of course we lynch him. Do we have a better suspect? I don't think so. If he's a traitor that means he isn't working for the town which means he should die. Simple, really. See how all these scenarios are different? Nothing anyone says can explain why nemy lied. Nothing. So he gets the lynch. As for my vote train - meh. Whats so suspect about it? People know a good candidate when they see one. As for me being buddy/buddy with Mynock - what's the problem? I've supported him in every game I've played and there's no secret about it. I don't even have any clue what his role could possibly be but I've said this so many times - there isn't any reliable way to find out anybody's role right now so I base my votes off of ABILITY. Since I believe Mynock is one of the best candidates I voted for him. go ahead and try to analyze that, you'll end up like Versatile and we see how her logic worked out. So once again I'll state your analysis has FAILED. Based on pure playing ability myself and Mynock should be in office over anyone else, with the exception of maybe BC. Showtime! and Caller do better outside of leadership roles. I'm interested in hearing your retort to this post. Good. This is what I wanted to see. You can rest assured that I'll update the mafia %'s accordingly. I didn't make a lynch post like I did with Mandalor/Scaramanga two games ago. I made a provocative post. I still think Showtime is the best candidate for office (besides caller/bc) but after seeing this I'm pretty happy with the chance of your innocence and I'd like to see you in office (over mynock). As for Nemy: I agree he lied. If you noticed I made sure to call him out asap. However, I still think it's such a boneheaded play to make if he's mafia unless he's offered up as a sacrifice. I also think it's a bad idea to lynch even a confirmed traitor, much less an ambigious one. Remember, traitor counts towards the town's winning numbers and does not help us get any closer to killing the mafia. The only thing the traitor can do is vote with the mafia (IF he knows who the mafia are). I agree voting for Nemy for office is retarded. But at the same time I want the mafia to waste their kill forcing our decision (or letting him prove himself innocent/guilty by staying alive). Why should we waste our KP on this when we can make the mafia waste KP? The only reason we should is if he's mafia. But I just cannot fathom a situation outside of offering him up as bait to prove someone innocent for him to be mafia. His posts are just so DUMB. Like he could've even called out mafia members as ppl who messaged him and they both could've fabricated pm's. But he didn't. I can't see him being mafia at all. For Mayor voting: Can someone point me to an updated list. Remember I called out both Ace AND Mynock. Several people have switched from Ace. Guys, feel free to switch back. I still want Showtime elected but I don't think there are enough votes. However, Mynock's voters have mostly stayed there even though they are online. That is a pretty big indication of something fishy. Bigger question@ Ace: What do you think of MBH? 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Who are we looking at for suspects. I'd rather not lynch Nemy. I'm considering mbh, camlito, and amber[light] at the moment. Any other potentials? | ||
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Last night I didn't want to spend any more time on mafia than I did and being feverish I just did a coin flip bo7 between Infinity21 and Amber[light]. Infinity won 4-1 so that was that. I had a few more ambitious lynches but I didn't have the time to contact Ace and I figured he'd be okay with lynching a noncontributer. 0cz3c your list sucks. Not only is it useless but contradictory and inaccurate. At the very least I want the colored text back! I'll update mine in a bit though. Despite Ace's silly criticism based on some newbie implementation I still believe it is a valid way to make my opinions known and inject some chaos. I thought the idea was awesome when I saw you post that thing last game and so far it's been quite successful ^_^ Not much else to say for the night though. I disagree with Ace's dt list in needing to RC those three mayoral candidates but that can wait till later when we have more evidence. The most pressing thing I want to know is how many mafia candidates ran. 0, 1, or 2. I originally thought there were 2, Mynock and Ace. One of my associates thought that as well. But Ace's response to me calling him out was exactly what I expected if he was innocent. Mynock, not so much, and I'm pretty questioning of him still (imo primary dt suspect). The useful part with this is that once we know we can clear everyone else because mafia is not going to have that many candidates running. Game history says that any time a mafia candidate has run, they have always gotten a position. Randombum got pardonner in mafia 2, MTF got mayor in mafia 4, and Qatol got mayor last game. My vote switching shenanigans were in an attempt to isolate the mafia voters or figure out potential mafia candidates. I'm still not certain on Ace/Mynock and they have to prove themselves but I feel a bit better than I did before. Caller BC and Showtime are almost assuredly innocent based on votes. If anyone has any insight on this I'd much appreciate it. Town needs to talk more, as I was pretty annoyed that almost nobody responded to my queries for targets last night. L is doing a great job of adding confusion and chaos while distracting us from our tasks. As for tomorrows lynches, more will be clear when we see who's dead. Mafia either have to blue snipe or target who they feel is the most dangerous. But if they do the latter the mafia will reveal themselves quickly (this is why I only blue sniped last game). | ||
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On May 19 2009 11:29 L wrote: Actually, it probably means mafia feel like killing him won't give people leads about them, and that he's likely unprotected. Last game with Qatol, Ver, LTT doing most of the mafia hit picks, Mynock was mentioned very infrequently as a target, so I can't accept the inherent danger angle of the story. Additionally, this game has such a high concentration of "danger" on both sides (or should, some 'veteran' mafia players are playing pretty poorly ^_^) that I don't think that'll be a useful source of motivation, and also why I didn't think "danger" was a good heuristic to use for electing office. I didn't kill Mynock because he was a) green b) not a threat c) a prime suspect. Mynock has died first or second night in mafia 2, 3, 4, and 6. On May 19 2009 11:10 Incognito wrote: To add to the information database: Ace had only one vote for him that did not change: MBH Ver had 6. infundibulum caller BloodyC0bbler Scaramanga (who also was on the inactive list and also hasn't posted since then) dreamflower vivi57 Exactly. Now comes the key point. If I was mafia, why would I possibly act and post in such a way that would draw the most suspicion to myself. Why would I purposely implicate myself? Oh wait it's because I'm innocent and I don't care if anyone suspects me. Playing without fear yo. The same thing applies to the BG Ace, if I was trying to cover for Amber[light], I wouldn't have suggested him in the first place. It makes no sense to suggest a person I know you won't want to lynch and a fellow mafia member, then suddenly switch off the mafia member. I admit my target choice was a low risk low reward that came about because of circumstances, but if you guys want to go blame me I suggest you provide some targets next time. Only a few people said anything and I wasn't going to lynch mbh so... Also Incognito correctly pointed out that I said 0, 1, or 2 not 1,2, or 3 mafia which is what L somehow got? (why would half the mafia run lol?) I'm more leaning back on 0/1 mafia this time around; it would be zero because of voters but Mynock's behavior has been pretty questionable and Ace jumping at me right now is pretty laughable. | ||
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On May 19 2009 13:50 Ace wrote: ... I'll let you say that to yourself 20 times and see if you still believe it. There are 3 ways BGs could have died. 1) roleclaimed to the wrong person 2) behavior analysis 3) luck 1) didn't happen to either of us. Yes Lucas was one of the people talking to me but why would he roleclaim? I never talk with mikeymoo so that possibility is gone. This is a veterans game and you expect people to suddenly roleclaim to the mayor? lol? 2) Normally very likely but this time there was simply too limited time for it to happen. Bringing us to point 3. 3) This is the most likely possibility. However, it was not chance luck. It was deliberate blue sniping that inadvertently missed its mark Don't push yourself down this hill Ace. You can say what I did on day 1 was shoddy but I argue it was making plays to force the mafia's hand. You know I don't just sit back and force the mafia to make mistakes; I force them to make mistakes. I lessened my suspicions of you because you passed two of my tests pretty well. If you're mafia that means your skill has grown considerably. If you're town it means That could just be misguided judgment but now you are accusing me over something as ridiculous as this? And furthermore you have to explain why I would somehow would have the stunning ability to figure out and kill my bgs when there is no evidence. I'm very good at blue sniping but I'm not perfect; that should be pretty obvious from al these games. Then you have to explain why I would sacrifice two of my kills solely so I could make myself vulnerable to a vigi and to kill you. Why are you this important? When I'm mafia I ignore high profile players and just blue snipe. I've done that 3x, it's worked 3x, I have no reason to deviate. I didn't touch you last game because I knew you weren't blue. Where's your savior sense now? I'm not seeing it. | ||
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There is no way Lucas would roleclaim to me if he thought I was the traitor. | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:08 Ace wrote: Stop with the behavior analysis bullshit. There's no way someone "acts like a bodyguard". Especially since you know - they haven't had the role for that long for people to be analyzing their posts even if it were possible. The chance of hitting 2 bodyguards is a whopping 2 out of 870 in this game, or 1 out of 435 for you anal math people. I'm not going with the luck factor. So your #2 and #3 explanations are out the door. However you are spot on about #1 - they did roleclaim. To you. Sucker. And why would I kill them if they roleclaimed? To get at you? ya uh huh I already posted why they wouldn't have (I never talk with MM and lucas thought I was the traitor). Don't waste our time. | ||
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On May 21 2009 09:12 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah, Ver's absence is unusual. It's possible he's been really, busy; he did mention defending his honors thesis or something like that. But he hasn't even popped in to just leave a remark since right after the day post Yup Mynock you know it's coming. I have been busy yes, but I've still been around plenty. I have pm'ed a lot of people I felt were innocent regularly after I realized talking in the thread was useless, and have been busy doing analysis and feeling too apathetic to deal with this awful mess. It was a real pain trying to refigure out this game after I realized a huge number of people that I considered were playing well below their normal level are simply dumb non-mafia. Yeah it was a huge mistake to run for mayor and watch it kill my motivation, sorry. But I don't care about fulfilling campaign promises if the situation changes. As mafia I have much more reason to keep suspicion off myself and stick to what I say whereas I'll do if I please if I'm innocent. Don't worry my reveal-all post will come soon. Need to write it and send some things to my coalition first. | ||
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I have had no reason to contribute because my posts will either be behavior analyzed by a bunch of wannabe analysts that frankly are terrible (hence the current situation of townies going after townies) or it will be swept up in the sea of garbage that is the thread. And furthermore I was also wrong on many counts earlier. For example I didn't post for some time because I thought Ace (traitor) and L (mafia) were arguing with each other and I saw no reason to disrupt it. I originally thought Mynock was mafia as well. Sorry guys. I will not defend myself anymore. All I will say is that I'm a veteran. Instead of judging on my activity, or lack thereof, I suggest you carefully read through my posts and draw your own conclusions. If you want to kill me, FEEL FREE. However, I suggest you do it in one of two ways: a) vigi me or b) let me modkill myself when Ace is dead. I am perfectly will to do either because frankly I am quite apathetic (running for mayor was a mistake sorry) and because once I am confirmed either way my evidence and analysis will instantly be trusted. The important thing is that Ace must die tonight because of my mistake in neglecting to consider the traitor possibility he has the pardoner's power and has shown no interest in doing the right things for the town. I think it's better if the vigi goes for me, but you guys can decide which you'd rather I do. See the end for more info. To start off I will tell you guys something interesting: Nobody remotely considered for a lynch is mafia. That means: Ver Ace (traitor) L Mynock Dreamflower BC are all not mafia. Yes they're (the visible ones posting garbage) just sucking. My performance has hardly been good either but so long as Ace dies this lynch we will still be on track for victory. Of course that means the town as whole must stop going at each other's throats and broaden their searches. Plexa is the exception here in terms of lynch suspects. Let's hold that thought though. I'll be thorough and give you the list of people that are almost ironclad innocent: 1. Caller 2. Incognito 3. scamp 5. bloodyc0bbler 6. fishball* 7. nemy 9. Ver 14. mikeymoo* 15. dreamflower 16. ace (traitor) 17. infundibulum 19. mynock 20. lucaswoj (Bodyguard) 21. amber[light] 25. infinity21* 30. L A few notes here: Ace is traitor. *'s are dead. I'm pretty positive at most 1/6 people here are mafia. At most. I'm not going to explain how I came to these conclusions because everyone will try to be a supersleuth and misanalyze it. Trust it, hate it, do what you want with it, but keep it as a frame of reference regardless. Nonconfirmed innocents: Scara fusionsdf Bockit Plexa Cam Showtime vivi rol mtf 0cz3c heavon tricode malongo mbh 5/6 or 6/6 here are mafia. Of these I am most suspicious of (not saying others are off the hook though): Scara Bockit MBH (would be GF if mafia) Camlito 0cz3c heavon I'll be honest my analysis on this is not finished yet, which is why I didn't want to post it, but we have some leads. I'll refrain from posting the full reasoning until things are more clear, but here's a start. I have known several blue roles for awhile now (lol why would I kill bg's when I know vigis meds and dts?) and I've made certain the key people know what they are in case I die or anything. I'm going to have one of them roleclaim because after tonight it's irrelevant anyway. Essentially mafia have been in the shadows for the most part, encouraging bad ideas and being active but not contributing much. Overall lesson on behavior analysis: Mafia are the ones who want to make you think everything is normal; a mafia doesn't want to stand out. They are inherently afraid of putting themselves at risk in most normal circumstances. This is how Ace/L/Mynock can be determined (among other metrics); they are all gunning so hard for certain things that the backlash on them would be murderous. Mafia are much more likely to subtly influence things and watch the carnage. Exceptions exist, but I just wanted to point this out because it clearly reflects the current situation. Btw Ace I will tl;dr whatever you say since you're playing so far below your normal level and just adding garbage. | ||
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