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As for me, I'll announce my intention to be Mayor/Pardoner now. Besides the fact that I know I'm great at this game, know how to look at the big picture, and know how to read (^_^) let me just point out one more thing: I have the best SAVIOR sense out of anyone in the game. Easily. What this means is I can easily spot a bs bandwagon for an innocent player and follow the trail to mafia, or in other cases explain how a person is innocent or why they shouldn't die. In game 2 when the town wanted to lynch Ghar I professed he was most likely innocent - and he was. In the game where BC got the Village Idiot role and convinced people to lynch mikeymoo who was it that rose to his defense so strongly? me. Because I saw the true meaning behind the scenario. Remember last game? How I once again jumped to JeeJee's defense even though there was "evidence" and a big ass bandwagon against him? Yup, JeeJee was innocent too. How about that time in Tracil's game when I was a medic and saved NatsuTerran(the cop) on Day one with only 1 read of the game and no PMs? ^_^ See guys, I'm good at behavior analysis and seeing the game as one big puzzle. I don't jump to conclusions, I play with my head on straight, and I ALWAYS have a plan. Always. Oh yeah, and I'm usually persuasive. Right now the only candidate I think is right for the town is Mynock. Every game we've played we have been on the exact same page. He thinks just like I do and has an intuition for when there's bullshit afoot. However, Ver and BC would just as well get my vote if that were the only reason. So why then? Read his post: he is the only one that pointed out that the Mayor and Pardoner really are not that different.Whoever is running should be glad to get either so that once they are protected they can do some damage and not just sit around bulletproof. Both of those roles are powerful and the town needs them to win. With all that said, I'm hoping enough people vote for me. We all know how dangerous I can be in office to The Mafia. | ||
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It's also the reason I'd never vote for you Caller. You are just terrible in any position where you get to make decisions alone v_v | ||
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I know you love babies man don't fuck this up. | ||
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Unfortunately this doesn't hold true because the game was still less than 24 hours old (still is) when the voting began so no one is really "late". As for a Mafia Pardoner that's nothing to worry about right now. The only time a Pardoner should use his powers is if a very ambiguous scenario occurs where we aren't sure about the target and people vote them off anyway. A surely guilty person won't be pardoned at all, as that just sets up 2 mafia to die. Of course the exception to this is end of the game when there are <7 people left. Otherwise it's just not a big deal. | ||
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On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote: Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post. Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon. | ||
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On May 17 2009 13:29 nemY wrote: Just to clarify for you folks, look long and deep at the ppl running for mayor... because I suspect that the overwhelming majority of them are mafia scum, GF is probably not running because GF need not run (since once an individual becomes mayor/pardoner they are immune to r/c's). The more I look at the situation the more I think these ppl are just using me for as much info as they get before they kill me. In the future... I'm just not gonna speak quoting this as evidence that you are traitor, mafia or just bad at this game. More reason to kill you. | ||
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On May 17 2009 13:52 Tricode wrote: I don't feel persuaded enough to think that Nemy should get office. But I definitely agree with bockit, we should focus on this election! We should also i guess consider the first lynch possibly? As far as medics go, we possibly can just focus on that after the election, we should still have plenty of time for that right? So let's look at our candidates, and try to make the best decisions. Cause yeah we could vote Nemy in, fine but that also means we can leave another important player vulnerable. So there might be a sacrifice no matter what, so pick the better of the two. Also even if you say we can just protect one with medic, but then we can still lose that player if mafia stacks hits. So just thinking "oh we protect nemy by giving him office and just use a med to protect a player who could be possibly more useful (analyzing wise)" is not good, cause mafia stacks, we lose our more skilled player. indeed ^_^ This is the kind of risk analysis that makes sense, as opposed to L running around screaming the sky is falling. | ||
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On May 17 2009 14:57 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have told people multiple times, PM discussion is lame, its never reliable evidence, and leaves you too many holes on being caught. Hense, participating in them is not a bright move. exactly. Which is why I hardly have long PM discussions when I play this game. | ||
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So I wake up after my like 8 or 10 hours of sleep after my massive DOTA binge last night. Last thing I remember thread was at page 8, and now it's double. I think oh shit, somebody fucked up so there must be some major finger pointing going on. Wow, was I right or what? Let's get this nemy situation settled. It seems some of you have short memory or just don't look at this scenario with clear eyes. Nemy knows about Mafia 2. He saw the situation that played out with Empyrean and myself when I argued how bad he fucked up by roleclaiming DT on Day 1. He knows how DUMB that move is in most cases, and with the ruleset in this game it's just as bad. Nemy was on my Mafia team when Folca outted himself as a DT Day 1 to try and get me killed. We all know how that ended. DTs that roelclaim early have to be killed - always. There's no time to prove them innocent, and in this game there aren't enough DTs. The guy knows about the confusion that caused. There is also another big mistake nemy made: saying that people are on to him because of behavior analysis. *spits on the floor* excuse me? What kind of bullshit is this? What exactly has nemy posted that could have possibly given up his role? Let's be serious here people - this is a Veteran game but most people playing are not that good. Seriously. Even so how can anyone fuck up so easily so fast? Go ahead, look at all nemy's posts. If someone called him out for being blue on that shit they are just fishing. This leads me to believe nemy is lying or just not that smart if he really fell for it. When SoG was playing to get elected in that game, I caught on to his posts and figured he was likely a DT also. Thing is it really was a bad play on his part. I've played countless mafia games and I always tell people DO NOT HINT about your role. It's either you roleclaim or you stfu because if you hint about it and get mad when the town doesn't pick up on it but the Mafia does it's your own fault. I'm expecting that in this supposed Vet game no one does anything like that. Now back to nemy. Guys, look at the big picture: 1.) nemy claims dt on Day 1 2.) says it's because he is scared to die because people are on to him ??? Think about it. Does this make any sense in any way? Once again I'll use one of the arguments I used against Empyrean in Mafia 2: you just fucked the town over. Even more so than Mafia 2 because now we have to rely stretch medic protection. nemy is not a high profile player. If he was thinking, he'd realize without making it into office he could stay quiet, no need for medic protection and live for a while. There are better players that would serve as more threats to the Mafia. So now let's look at it again. 1.) nemy claims to be a DT which can't be proven 2.) he is scared to die because people allegedly found out his role (bullshit scenario) 3.) he probably wasn't a high profile target anyway and now he just made himself one Is this really the kind of person we want in office? Even if he was a DT I'd rather have someone else with clearer lines of thought in their head. He is effectively USELESS. Once again this is the thought process: ASSUME nemy is a DT. He just pulled this stunt. Do you REALLY want him taking up this invaluable spot? And the last thought exercise I'll give you which will paint the perfect picture: Once again ASSUME nemy is a DT. Is it worth having him in office over myself, Ver, or Mynock? Think about it. None of us, with the exception of Mynock I think once have EVER been a DT. And we've managed to do more damage than or come to better conclusions than most people playing Detective ever have. You're effectively asking the town to put in a wrongfully paranoid DT over 3 better players who without even having a powerful role are going to help more than him anyway. So looking at it from this point of view, we already see that even if nemy is a DT he's just not worth putting into office. Hold on, now here is the biggie: he's most likely not a DT. I've stated before that nemy has seen too many games where early DT roleclaims always lead to trouble. Look at what happened with Empyrean. In Mafia 2 as mayor even after I confirmed Emp as a DT I had to keep shifting around medic protections on him because he outted himself Day 1. There were times I even considered putting 3 medics on him because of his little stunt. nemy should know that. If he really was a DT think about it. You just entered the election on a whim in a game where you know almost everyone running is going to be good enough to win. Now you see that the votes are coming in, and you think about pulling the DT card. If you win, which you should know in a game with a decent amount of non-retards is slim, great. But you won't win. So you think about the opposite: If you lose? Now the town has to spend resources (time and medics) just to keep your ass alive. If nemy really is a DT, do you honestly think he thought about this in this way? I don't. Because even if he was he just proved to us he's useless. He's either Mafia or a Traitor. Which makes him a good candidate for the first lynch. | ||
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hardly doesn't mean never And in Mafia 2 of course I had to have long discussions because of the Bodyguard Plan before irc. Other than that I only have long PM discussions if I have to, or when I'm sure it's going to be useful. I try not to PM people in Mafia games because I'm confident enough that I can gather what I need to know just reading the thread, and it keeps me out of trouble that most people get themselves into. | ||
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On May 17 2009 13:29 nemY wrote: Just to clarify for you folks, look long and deep at the ppl running for mayor... because I suspect that the overwhelming majority of them are mafia scum, GF is probably not running because GF need not run (since once an individual becomes mayor/pardoner they are immune to r/c's). The more I look at the situation the more I think these ppl are just using me for as much info as they get before they kill me. In the future... I'm just not gonna speak Guys read this post carefully. First nemy wants to be Mayor, then claims DT, then is just fine with getting Pardoner and now he's accusing most of the candidates of being mafia scum. An "overwhelming majority" at that. Then he hits us with the coup de grace: "I think these ppl are just using me for as much info as they get before they kill me.. um excuse me? What info? There isn't any information to go around yet. So not only do you accuse the people running of being mafia, in which you were better of being specific about who since you're so sure but now you have some fabricated nugget of information. OK SURE. | ||
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I've played in plenty of small mafia games. Some people here know I used to play on another forum with MrBabyHands and those games regularly had 15 or less people playing, even as low as 8 at times. We always used Mayors and Pardoners. In those games when myself or MBH were Town Pardoners we usually did the right thing and saved an innocent from a wrongful bandwagon. Want to know what happens most of the time when it was an OBVIOUS case of Mafia on the block and the Pardoner pardoned them? Both died the next day. Yea, to save themselves some KP they both died. And they usually ended up losing the game because now 2 mafia are gone, the suspect pool is thinner and there are just too many townies left for the rest to kill fast enough. The only time a Mafia Pardoner has ever successfully pardoned an OBVIOUS Mafia player and won is when it's near the end of the game, the ratios are close, and there is still too much confusion about other players in the game. Saving that 1 mafia player for 1 night makes sense as if you both live to the next day and kill at night, now you only have to convince let's say 1 out of 3 people instead of 3 out of 5. Those were games much smaller than this. There is no reason to panic right now as all 30 players are still alive and we aren't even close to that scenario. Assume we even get into that position then you can worry about Mafia pardoners making themselves obvious. With that said, we shouldn't even be thinking about getting blues into office. The discussion itself is dangerous, as we've already seen what nemy did and we don't need anymore of that. You're basically asking people to lightly out themselves - pointless. If a blue wants to get in office he needs to run on a smarter platform than "I might be blue, let me live". There are a few players here that even without a blue role they are just better to have going against the Mafia. Those are the people that need protecting, as if I were Mafia this time and I saw the stunt nemy pulled whether he is a DT or not I'd be HAPPY with him being in office over myself, Mynock or Ver. | ||
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On May 17 2009 04:45 MTF wrote: Ver is no doubt very intelligent and puts a tremendous effort into the game, but he lacks the ability to get under peoples skin. Showtime, Caller, and Ace have that ability in spades. And that is a larger part of Mafia than I think many players realize. It's not enough to just be able to pin down and call out Mafia members with definitive proof or verbose appeals to the town. You need to make Mafia and the supposed town uncomfortable, mad at you, and you need to be able to be able to throw out random insults or vague accusations without remorse. I think Ver is much too polite for that. I'd rather see him in Pardoner role assisting the mayor, but not having the primary voice. what? I've never randomly insulted anyone! ^_^ | ||
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Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning. They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up: All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT. whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated. So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh? | ||
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Ok lets start the rapefest. I think NemYs move is more so the act of an over indulgence in self importance. When you are a DT in a game like this it increases paranoia levels and is what I think most likely caused nemy to RC because he felt like people were onto him, whether or not they actually were its the paranoia factor that did it. and Ace your so wrong, you are saying you KNOW hes mafia or traitor and presented situations of the IF nemy is a DT. If you are truly a DT in a game like this, than SURELY you know that Day 1 roleclaiming won't work. If it didn't work for Empyrean how the hell is it going to work in this game with less players but more concentrated Veterans? Duh? If he's paranoid over something he still hasn't proven then why are we even THINKING about voting for him? It's just silly. First off, the chance of NemY being mafia is so incredibly low it is almost irrelevant at this point. Uh no. Out of all the people playing so far nemy has the highest chance of being Mafia. He's the only one that has publicly done anything suspicious/blatantly bad for the town. You fail on that logic. Again. Traitor? Well yeah, you have a valid point there. and if hes a DT you argue that you don't want a rash person/dumb person in that positions. Well I disagree. I don't think he is beyond control or without reason to role call. It seems perfectly reasonable given the situations. Not many DTs and mafia getting them on day one does not seem too good, hence RC and hope for either elected position or medic protection. Even if we could argue nemy is dumb as fuck, we can't negate the value of his role checks. Remember your above scenario? Yeah? How the hell are we supposed to do that if we lynch one of OUR OWN DTS? That's kind of amusing. but yeah, with nemy in office he can role check any of your suggested "preferred" office players of you, MTF, or Ver. What situations? There IS no situation. Your just pulling shit out of your ass now. No one has been killed, there has been no major info leaks - nothing. All we have is a mayoral election. No one has any reason to be panicking about anything at all. My above scenario also assumes nemy ISNT a DT. And from the way he's played so far I don't think he'd be one. Even so, I say we lynch him to find out. We really don't need him if he's going to be playing so bad anyway. We have plenty of people that are better than Detectives anyway. Even worse is that with nemy in office he himself can't be role checked so then we have to assume he really is a DT for the rest of the game. OOPS! Your logic fails once again. You can read Mynock's post above if you need it broken down even more. Oh and another point at Ace. Yeah I am sure you Ver and MTF would be great in office, but keep in mind MANY people can't determine your alliance yet, so risking you guys in is not as smart, even if you are better players. Nemy is 90% blue. You guys are unknown. No shit sherlock. No one can determine many other player's alliances or we'd already have a red name on the board. Even worse is that now you claim nemy is "90% blue" - lol? You can't be for real. Then you say even if we are better players you'd rather NOT have us in office? ... yea I'm going to let that sink in for everyone to read. Ok back to this ownage. I always vote for the good players to get in office unless I'm feeling silly. Bad players in office always leads to a disaster. Even worse - nemy is sheepish. Assuming his story is true he was tricked into outing himself easily - why the fuck would we want him in office, taking up valuable space? I'll be waiting for your next nonsense post. That drivel you just wrote is actually a good post that should convince people not to vote for nemy, and not to listen to any logic you ever try to bring up (I've been following this train of thought for several games now). | ||
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On May 17 2009 23:54 Scaramanga wrote: Kids please for the love of god STOP POSTING FUCKIGN ESSAYS its 1am and i need sleep, im sick also so thats why im dying reading these posts It's 11:17am for me. ^_^ | ||
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On May 18 2009 00:00 Bockit wrote: Wow. Nemy is not 90% blue. Hell he's not even 30% blue. Dreamflower has pointed out his outright lie. He took the trouble to write 'multiple people' and yet was only able to provide half-arsed pms from one guy, that didn't even match very well how they were described in the first place. I'm not going to repeat Dreamflower's post anymore, go read it. I think he's a traitor, possibly a mafia ploy trying to implicate incognito maybe, but a traitor to me seems more likely. Ace: Well put with the callout. Plexa: What the fuck. MTF: Similarly. hmmm yea. Not a good look for those two QQ. As for the rest of your post I agree. I don't think anyone should jump to conclusions about Incognito at the moment. Also like Bockit said, good work dreamflower for pointing out the outright lie. I'll take it a step further though using Rebirth's "paranoid logic" about nemy to tie showcase it for people to read. nemy is paranoid that he has been found out by some people PMing him with behavior analysis. Bockit asks him to post the PMs. Anyone see the problem here? If nemy was really a paranoid DT, like I think it was Bockit who said earlier - we wouldn't have to ask him to post anything. He would have done so himself because that isn't a negative move for the Town. The more information we know about who's attempting to get at him the better. Ok moving on. He's asked to post the messages. Remember like dreamflower said there were multiple messages he had. Allegedly some players figured out he is a DT from the very few posts he made - LOL yea ok sure whatever you say guy. Of ALL the messages he allegedly has he posts one from incognito... ...that has nothing to do with anything about fishing to see if nemy is a DT. what? Yea man, that's right. Our paranoid DT, who should have been calling names left and right and blasting PMs if this is true just posted a private message from incognito that has nothing to do with his claims. It's like asking your mom to make eggs for breakfast, but when you get down to the kitchen a piece of Evander Holyfield's missing ear is on the plate. Exactly. Hope you see the point now. | ||
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On May 18 2009 00:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: incog didn't deny PM conversation did he? Whatever then I still think hes a DT over a traitor and mafia ploy is highly unlikely as said before Just don't even waste time, elect him or make him the first lynch and we can see whose dumb. I will read your flame later Ace uhh...are you dense lol? It doesn't matter if incog didn't deny the PM. The fact is it had NOTHING to do with what nemy claimed. Ace:8 RoL:1 | ||
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If anyone posts anything fishy just assume I've called them out on it and go from there. bbl. | ||
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On May 18 2009 02:58 L wrote: Excuse me? I've posted far more logical and detailed analysis than you have despite you tossing out 2 long posts full of emotionally laden 'whoa oh shit, lets lynch the douchebag' casual text. Your argument has been presented in its entirety before, but you spruced it up and added a bunch of flavor text, remember after all, when ace plays he believes that: So posting the same "it was a dumb move, ergo he is mafia + we need to kill him" content was pretty spot on, but you completely ignored the counter argument. There's probably an entire's page worth of writing on the topic which you ignored. Why would you want to knock Nemy out of office? Well, for one, you're number three. You're the one that directly loses out on an office position. Two: you ver and mynock have supported each other in a circular fashion, then all seemingly dissapeared from the thread. What's more, the vast majority of supporters on your nemy position were people who bandwagoned you/ver/mynock very early without much posting like dreamflower. SUSPICIOUS? Just about as suspicious as someone calling out Plexa, which I agree was a fucking retarded vote. What's more, your rebuttal of my 'nonsense claims' echoes EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Mafia will ONLY reveal pardoner once they can end the game or when the trade off is beyond worth it. 15 player games have far less sacrifice potential than we currently have, especially if the pardoner gets tied up in clue evidence and is going to be a target in a day or two. ONCE THEY DO, however, WE ARE DOWN AN ENTIRE DAY. Your rebuttal of trying to get blues into office is that you believe you're worth more to the town than a blue role, but the problem there, as I stated earlier, is that your personal capital makes you a prime target for a mafia candidacy. What's more; you keep promoting you, ver, and Mynock, which is interesting because you three started out circularly voting for each other. Its very possible, and in my mind probable that there's at least one mafia between the three of you. The most dangerous part to you, however, is that nemY isn't going to win by a landslide at current rates: he's going to take the mafia coveted pardoner spot. Unlike in previous games where the mayor had networking ability, the only thing he has here is a double vote and his target will likely be voted upon by the town anyways, so that's that. That said, you did end up reading 8 pages in an hour and a quarter minutes, seeing as you got up around 4:45 est, right? Maybe you ought to go back and actually read instead of scaremongering. You seem to have gone to sleep around 8pm last night too, which would be around 1.5 pages ahead of where you said you started off. Either you purposely ignored the thread (good mayor work there) or you've been lying. Feel free to provide me more information. Exact times, if you would. So let me interject: if one of you is mafia, which is likely, you'd act exactly how mafia acted in mafia 2, which is exactly how you're acting now. Its what we did before. Its what I'd do if I was mafia. Look at all the wrong shit in this post, oh gee I don't know where to start. 1.) You haven't been logical. Period. Your arguments about Pardoner are null and void because we can't determine anyone's roles yet. Duh. So your asking the town to vote in a way that is pretty much useless. All we can do is vote on ability which unfortunately leaves a lot of people out. 2.) nemy isn't in office. If I was worried about losing the election that bad of all people why would I go after nemy? Or you know, I could just take my vote off of mynock and abstain or vote for someone else. Duh? Your analysis is complete shit, try again. 3.) I'm supporting Mynock and Ver because I feel they are the other 2 best candidates. Every game we have people like you who question why I'm doing something, and you all come off looking like idiots. How many times do I have to tell you - you're wasting time. Maybe I just genuinely believe those 2 are good for the town and holy shit! They might be mafia but they haven't acted like you or nemy so I have no reason to fuck with them. 4.) That's nice that 1 of the 3 of us might be mafia. It's also nice that 6 out of the 30 people playing might be also. What's your point? 5.) There is no danger to me. Stop trying so hard. There is no mafia coveted Pardoner spot - any of the 2 will do. Stop making up these grand ideas in your head. 6.) Your "ifs" are wrong because none of us play this game like you. It shows. 7.) I don't know exactly what time I started reading the thread or exactly what time I went to bed. But if you want to dissect it till your blue in the face go ahead - I'm innocent and don't have to worry about anything. See unlike nemy, I haven't lied about anything. And unlike you I'm actually analyzing whats going on now and not some made up scenario that we have no control over. Got anything else you want to uselessly add to the thread? Any more lightweight accusations you want to make against The Three Musketeers? | ||
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On May 18 2009 03:17 MTF wrote: Circumstances changed, though this does not mean that Nemy needs to be the true town leader. While I do not like Nemy in a leadership role by default, I still don't feel as heavily suspicious about him as most everybody else seems to. Whether I'm wrong for not doing so or not will have to be revealed in time, because not a single one of us can say for certain where Nemy's intentions lie. I think we should get Nemy into the Mayoral position, but have him take a back seat to whoever (hopefully Mynock or Showtime; the more the former been posting the more I think he deserves a high spot and I'm still curious about Showtime) gets into the Pardoner position. Doing this means risking revealing our bodyguard list to Mafia, but nothing else beyond that as Nemy would defer all responsibilities over to the Pardoner. Not doing it means we risk losing one of two DT's early on if he's telling the truth, and, regardless of who we put in, we still don't know the role of the person we've voted into office. The risk of voting him in is worth it to me this time. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. As is, my viewpoint is obviously way off from most of the prominent people playing and I've stated that I'm terrible at behavioral analysis in the past, so feel completely free to ignore my input in this matter. :p tsk tsk tsk MTF I know you know better than this. Shame on you. | ||
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[quote] 1- Brush it off Essentially if ace is mafia, his plan nullifies both DTs. Thanks for letting me point that out. Peace. [/QUOTE] And why would he brush it off? Explain. And if I were mafia and I suggested this plan then SURELY I wold have done it after I made it into office right? LOL you fail. If I were Mafia I'd rather have nemy in office regardless of if he's mafia or not, and have everyone else get checked that didn't make it assuming none of them were mafia. That way the town isn't checking any of the mafia out yet. I'd also run around making up crazy stuff about 1 out of 3 people being mafia because they keep supporting each other. It puts a smile on my face. | ||
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1.) Obviously determining roles is the aim of the game - but we are still at Mayoral elections. None of us can determine anything right now. Oh shit how did you miss this? You even quoted it but read it wrong. 2.) Worried about the election != worried about nemy. I'd love to be in, but hey if Mynock and Ver made it can't say I'd be sad. I'm not that worried about the election. But yea your right - I am worried about nemy which is exactly why I've been making my case against him. 3.) circular collusion? lol ok Don King. Ver has been pretty much silent, and only myself and Mynock have really supported each other. Stop trying to take wild guesses. 4.) I am immune from scrutiny. Because I'm innocent so anything you try to come at me with just doesn't phase me. If you caught me lying or bullshitting I'd understand but I never have. You know, thats how most of the good players that play know when I'm innocent. 5.) It wasn't proven false. How would you know the Mafia covet the Pardoner spot unless they themselves stated it? Once again you're failing. 6.) It's an US statement because playing the game with Ver and Mynock so many times I KNOW none of us play the game like you. It's just that simple - nothing beyond that. 7.) What full disclosure is there to give? But since you want to - go ahead. Post this evidence. You'll see I went to sleep, woke up, and came on TL.net after playing DOTA. Clan chat, replays - post whatever you need to. I know I'm not mafia so I'm begging you to do what you have to in order to "prove" I'm lying. I wasn't dodging but since you said I was I'm here for the show. So go ahead champ, show us what you got. | ||
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On May 18 2009 03:55 Caller wrote: Guys guys guys GUYS calm the fuck down Don't you see that mafia is benefiting from all of this? With some of our biggest names fighting over an issue that we don't even know has any meaning, we're just wasting time and causing more chaos. Here's what I think could be a possibility: a) elect nemy to pardoner. b) lynch him immediately tomorrow. If he really is a DT, he would have given us a RC already and would be safe. If he isn't a DT, we kill him and get rid of the pardoner position, thus avoiding any "setbacks" that mafia would benefit from having a scummy pardoner. I think this would be the safest compromise-we need to agree on one soon, L/MTF vs. Ace/Mynock = not fun... How about: we just don't elect nemy period. Sounds like a smart plan to me. | ||
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Only reason I didn't mention you was because it didn't seem like you were getting votes x_x | ||
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On May 18 2009 04:13 L wrote: You were talking about Pardoner intentions and usage, a topic which can be examined purely through the rules of the game. If you were referencing my suggestion that we need blues in office ver proved rather dramatically last game that you can sniff out blues very accurately on day 1. So you admit you are worried, which is a complete contradiction of your previous stance. I'm not contradicting myself. You are. Think about it. Uh, you yourself have called the group 'the three musketeers' and Ver actually was posting for a bit while you were sleeping. Moreover, the vote record DOES NOT LIE. each of you voted for one other. 1. No you aren't. 2. By your own admission we don't know that. Why do you assume people should assume you're innocent? If that's the case everyone should have just PMed you their roles at the start of the game and that would have been a good play. Frankly, for someone harping on nemy about poor play, you're doing a lot of it yourself. Okay, lets assume pardoner instantly wins the game. I think mafia would go for it. See what I did there? The rules of the game describe the advantages and pitfalls of certain actions. Do you think mafia would NOT want the pardoner spot? Do you think they'd want mayor more? Yet by your own admission you've stated that good players will not have a style. Ver's 'afk townie' method this game, for instance, is something he said he wouldn't be doing, and has only performed while previously mafia, yet you believe that you can call their style even if they're not the same allegiance as you? Bad choice of words, and a telling one. Read my fucking posts. Do you refuse to give the information? Y/N. As you put it. Go ahead champ. I wouldn't fucking TELL YOU what information I have if i'm trying to cross reference the information I've got with your statements to check for inconsistencies. I mean, you should know that, you aren't an idiot. no | ||
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On May 18 2009 04:16 Caller wrote: Seriously you guys, we have like Ace/Mynock/Tricode vs. L/nemy Malongo vs. LucasWoJ what the hell is going on people, stop arguing and let's figure out what the hell we're going to do voting wise and after the election. Ad hominem can wait until later! I already outlined the plan yo! Don't vote for nemy. See what I did there? | ||
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On May 18 2009 04:13 L wrote: You were talking about Pardoner intentions and usage, a topic which can be examined purely through the rules of the game. If you were referencing my suggestion that we need blues in office ver proved rather dramatically last game that you can sniff out blues very accurately on day 1. Unfortunately that criteria isn't going to be useful in a game with this many qualified candidates. Like I stated before there are people playing that with or without a blue role they are going to be good in office. Even discussing blue roles right now is a sure fire way to have a problem, just look at nemy. So you admit you are worried, which is a complete contradiction of your previous stance. I'm not contradicting myself. You are. Think about it. I'm worried about one thing, not the other. They aren't equal. Sure they are closely tied together in this case but I'm not worried about me losing the election. Uh, you yourself have called the group 'the three musketeers' and Ver actually was posting for a bit while you were sleeping. Moreover, the vote record DOES NOT LIE. each of you voted for one other. I'm telling you just because each of us voted for each other doesn't mean anything. Ok it may look suspicious, but personally speaking if I were Mafia I wouldn't take the chance of one of us getting into office. 1. No you aren't. 2. By your own admission we don't know that. Why do you assume people should assume you're innocent? If that's the case everyone should have just PMed you their roles at the start of the game and that would have been a good play. Frankly, for someone harping on nemy about poor play, you're doing a lot of it yourself. How so? I've broken down numerous times why we don't need nemy in office, and I've run on an honest platform. I'm not doing anything disruptive unlike some people. Okay, lets assume pardoner instantly wins the game. I think mafia would go for it. See what I did there? The rules of the game describe the advantages and pitfalls of certain actions. Do you think mafia would NOT want the pardoner spot? Do you think they'd want mayor more? Mafia Pardoner is not that strong until the end of the game in one specific scenario. A Mafia Mayor is stronger because of the extra votes. Sure, I'm pretty confident that anyone that can think notices how BRUTAL a Pardoner can be at the right time but like I said we aren't even close to those waters. We can't even verify anyone so even trying it is just not going to work. Behavior analysis isn't always 100% correct and it's a gamble I'm not willing to take for Pardoner or Mayor. It's an US statement because playing the game with Ver and Mynock so many times I KNOW none of us play the game like you. It's just that simple - nothing beyond that. Yet by your own admission you've stated that good players will not have a style. Ver's 'afk townie' method this game, for instance, is something he said he wouldn't be doing, and has only performed while previously mafia, yet you believe that you can call their style even if they're not the same allegiance as you? Bad choice of words, and a telling one. [/quote] Yea in a way. Of course Ver has been "afk" several times in other games (he takes forever to post seriously). Mynock, while he doesn't know my exact style (I don't have one I'm fluid) has a good idea of when I'm being honest about something. Many people have tried to analyze what I do and most have failed. It's different knowing someone's integrity and knowing their style. How is that a bad choice of words? ^_^ Read my fucking posts. Do you refuse to give the information? Y/N. As you put it. Go ahead champ. I wouldn't fucking TELL YOU what information I have if i'm trying to cross reference the information I've got with your statements to check for inconsistencies. I mean, you should know that, you aren't an idiot. What information do you need? Cross reference away because there's nothing fishy about me. (^_^) | ||
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On May 18 2009 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah i think I may do this. If my current vote count is correct it's Nemy 6 ::Ver 6 :: Mynock 4 :: Ace 4, for the leading candidates. Ver is probably in, but i can help keep him in the mayor spot. Convenient way to dodge the burden of choosing pardoner I'm telling you guys don't let nemy get in. We'll all regret it. He claims DT, doesn't provide the information he said he had and yet we would STILL let him in? Come on guys don't be like the town last game. | ||
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And what does my post in Pyyr's thread have to do with this game? It's not even in the right context ^_^ | ||
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You got caught lying. And now you're trying to avoid the situation. All my lynching efforts are pointing squarely at you from now on. | ||
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In fact you should stop trying to derail the thread about me and focus on how far your body will dangle. | ||
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If I don't do it, I'm sure anyone else who gets Mayor would too. | ||
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I'll also only address the part of your post directly with my name in it, since if a post doesn't include my name I skip it. Ace is taking this too far. He had his rope. He had his opportunity to go appear innocent. And he hung himself on it. It is not in the town's interests to lynch Nemy. Because here's the thing, we don't want to lynch the traitor. The traitor has no ACTUAL power. The traitor's only power is influence and words. He can cause mass chaos. But if we know who the traitor is, he is POWERLESS. Nemy is not mafia unless he is a sacrifice. That means we have no reason to lynch him! Yet Ace is going all out trying to get this. Look at this from a behavior standpoint: Mafia are the ones who are this aggressive. See RoL and Attackzerg trying to get Ace lyched/discredited in BC's first game. Now for a direct comparison: remember when Ace defended mikeymoo in Caller's game (Ace was innocent so was Mikeymoo)? He was voracious in defending mikeymoo, but he was not voracious in lynching BC even though BC was full of BS. Yes he wanted BC lynched but he didn't go crazy like he is now. Because that's a sure sign of mafia behavior: being overaggressive to get a lynch. In case anyone wants to relate to the Folca/Ace scenario, that is a completely different thing. Because then Folca roleclaimed with a specific intent to prove something, i,e that Ace was mafia. Thus in that circumstance Ace's logic train is true and the correct choice of action (and he would've done it if he was townie I'm sure). Because if you lynch the accuser you know everything about the accused role. However, now here Nemy just plain roleclaimed. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE LYNCH HIM? WE GET NO BENEFIT. NOTHING. Under the present circumstances there is NO reason to lynch Nemy. Ace you screwed up. This is not Savior sense. This is not to the benefit of the town. And you people who agree with his logic (mikeymoo, bockit), you guys better think through exactly what he's recommending. Game 3 and now are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Furthermore, the Ace voting train, you guys are all suspect. You people are clearly trying to push him into mayor over me. Not gonna happen. I'll dissect through suspects in a bit. Sorry - but this is where you fucked up. I've said it plenty of times, I'm aggressive because it's how I feel like being. Whether I'm townie or Mafia I play with a free conscience because I honestly don't think anybody can read anything I do and you've just proven my point. You can also ask Mr.BabyHands - I've played an aggressive townie style before. It's not a Mafia trait at all. Now onto your analysis of nemy. You've failed to point out something significant: The difference between this game and the game with BC was that I pointed out that BC might be the Village Idiot hence we don't even care what happens to him. The real danger is lynching mikeymoo because we have no information about him based on what BC did. This scenario is different as there is no one being accused - this is just a role claim at a bad time. What also makes this different is that unlike when Empyrean claimed DT on Day 1, nemy lied. In Mafia 2 I had no reason to lynch Empyrean as soon as I got Mayor because empyrean only claimed to be a DT and didn't say anything about having a way to prove it. So we just let him be. nemy got caught in a lie. Badly. See the difference? If nemy was a DT that just played his hand wrong we could surely just say ok buddy, no office for you and keep things hush after that. He lied on got caught and that changes everything as an innocent doesn't have to lie to the town on information that would help us greatly. Hell, he STILL hasn't even given it to us and when asked he tried to be cool like me - but failed. Also if nemy is a traitor - of course we lynch him. Do we have a better suspect? I don't think so. If he's a traitor that means he isn't working for the town which means he should die. Simple, really. See how all these scenarios are different? Nothing anyone says can explain why nemy lied. Nothing. So he gets the lynch. As for my vote train - meh. Whats so suspect about it? People know a good candidate when they see one. As for me being buddy/buddy with Mynock - what's the problem? I've supported him in every game I've played and there's no secret about it. I don't even have any clue what his role could possibly be but I've said this so many times - there isn't any reliable way to find out anybody's role right now so I base my votes off of ABILITY. Since I believe Mynock is one of the best candidates I voted for him. go ahead and try to analyze that, you'll end up like Versatile and we see how her logic worked out. So once again I'll state your analysis has FAILED. Based on pure playing ability myself and Mynock should be in office over anyone else, with the exception of maybe BC. Showtime! and Caller do better outside of leadership roles. I'm interested in hearing your retort to this post. | ||
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On May 18 2009 08:42 Ver wrote: I will update this regularly so the town can have a guide as to who I think is innocent and guilty. Mafia list: Ace 95% mrbabyhands 92% Mynock 90% MTF 80% L 78% Infinity21 70% Traitor: Nemy 90% Innocents list: Caller 97% BC 93% Malongo 85% Tricode 84% Lucaswoj 83% Incognito 80% Fusionsdf 77% quoting this for the epic fail pic I will post later | ||
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Holy shit doesn't this look familiar (^_^) Funny thing about that guy - he was wrong on every single person in his list. Oh my Ver, you should drop this act now. It's not a good trend to follow. (v_v) | ||
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The G9 Mafia, 1 Year ago I'M ABSTAINING FROM VOTING MAYOR AND IF YOU SIDE WITH TUX I'm KILLING YOU OFF BREAK. I KNOW FOR SURE SD GONNA GIVE ME EITHER THE ELDER ROLE OR THE VIGILANTE ROLE TO EVEN THIS SHIT OUT. TUX IS MAFIA AND IF VERSE SIDING WITH HIM OFF BREAK THEN SHE IS SUSPECT NEW MAFIA PERCENTAGES: TUX:80% NARCI: 65% VERSE: 55% Dip: 20% This all The G9 Mafia, 1 Year ago TY for letting me know who I am Murking the first night MISS. I take this as you are siding with TUX irregardless of your PG vote. You're dead is hayle sistah. Say goodbye... Townies get roles after mayor voting ends... Why as a mafia would any of you even speak to me at all. New Mafia Percentage list TUX: 85% Narci: 75% Miss: 70% Verse: 65% Dip: 15% Now keep fucking jibba jabbing The G9 Mafia, 1 Year ago Tux please save it. You are Mafia and probably the godfather too. Never did I say I hope I get townie So thats yoru 5th LIE Keep talking Geezus. Listen I'm late for class I ABSTAIN from the mayoral voting and I will bbl New Mafia Percentages TUX: 92% Narci: 87% MISS: 79% Verse: 75% Outlaw: 50% Dip: 15% Looks familiar doesn't it? Well shit of course it does! On May 04 2009 17:27 Ace wrote: Versatile and MBH were the only 2 I'd say are good enough to play with TL players. When I modded a game here a few of them from the site played and well they performed miserably. There's another guy from there who I'd try to get to play but he's a...very unorthodox player. One time he made a "mafia % list" where every time someone posted he'd update their % of being mafia (wtf). He was an innocent, and his list had all innocents on it. If you argued with him or called him a dumbass your % would jump by like 20% and he'd vote to lynch you ^_^ Pow Pow Pow! | ||
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On May 18 2009 09:32 mikeymoo wrote: I'm concerned about the Ace bandwagon, too. I'm afraid that if he is mafia, that fingers are going to be pointed at me first, since I believe I was the first to switch to him. Hell I might just abstain or possibly go back to Mynock, since I'm again more sure that he is NON-RED. That's pretty much the only criteria I'm trying to go off for the pardoner, as a mafia pardoner can eff things up pretty badly in late game. Ace hasn't been acting too suspicious in my eyes, but all the sudden voting for him looks fishy. Getting people paranoid and switching off of me is exactly what the Mafia want you to do. You voted with sound reasoning as I have done nothing suspicious this game. I've only accused one person of being Mafia with legit basis. | ||
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@mikeymoo: Sure. I'm fine with Mynock getting in, but now I'm no longer fine with Ver as he just royally fucked up his analysis. So now he's shown he isn't thinking about the right things and wouldn't be a good fit for the town so I'd rather Mynock, myself or even BC in that spot. Ver just lost a lot of credibility with me. As for the bandwagon how does that say anything about me? If people bandwagon to vote me in office notice it was AFTER posted about nemy. Hence, it's not a fishy bandwagon as those people had legit reasoning to vote. Don't be scared because people are throwing the word around - tell them to fuck off and do something useful like look for Mafia. | ||
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On May 18 2009 10:00 mikeymoo wrote: It's just that it was SO fast. Perhaps that is a consequence of the 'veteran' game that I'm not yet accustomed to. I agree with you on Ver, the % thing just seems so bogus and useless. My mafia list: mikeymoo 0% Everyone else 0-100% It's because people recognize a good leader when they see it. There was nothing fishy about people voting for me. Also remember it seemed so fast because a lot of people are around right now and voting will close pretty soon. What's more fishy is the people getting paranoid that I might actually make it into office. Odd how these things work out huh? | ||
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This is like Folca part 2. | ||
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-afk from game. I think that last post just convinced me. | ||
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On May 18 2009 15:26 L wrote: According to ace himself he has no consistent playing style. If he does, then you must recognize that a significant portion of his statements about his own actions are flat out lies. Contradiction. You staying silent until post vote is not maximizing the town's strengths either. This is very true. | ||
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On May 18 2009 15:44 Tricode wrote: No, what i am saying is, what if Ace really thinks he has no consistent playing style? I really don't. You can list all the different behaviors I've exhibited in every mafia game and notice I do things differently most of the time. Sometimes I'm serious, sometimes I'm joking around, I may be nice, I may purposely fuck with people, sometimes I post shit just to amuse myself, Fishball and other people who find it funny - I'm like a human puzzle or some shit man. | ||
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On May 18 2009 15:46 nemY wrote: You still pushing for my lynching? How's that sucking of Ver's cock going? You doing it good? Nice n' slow now, make it sloppy and wet. wow Ver isn't gonna like this. He was actually the one trying to save you. Lol you still can't read. Somebody's mad they didn't get elected! | ||
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Hence, he's very likely mafia. Sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. As for my trio, I don't know about those other 2 guys for sure but I'm innocent. Detectives should be checking Mynock, BC, Showtime! and Caller soon anyway. | ||
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On May 19 2009 01:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Well, I wish I wasn't so far behind with everything when reading earlier. The infinity kill makes sense, I guess. He just posted a few times saying lawl I have no idea whats going on and then ran away and never really did anything. and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie. The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia. Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with. To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own. So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though. useless shit | ||
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On May 19 2009 02:10 nemY wrote: Hypocrite. You know that's BS, EVERYBODY knows that's BS. Drop it already. useless shit #2 | ||
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Of course I picked amber[light] because I was pretty sure MBH would post sometime soon, and he ended up doing so. Then I wake up to see infinity21 lynched when he wasn't even in the discussion. For safety sake, that means Amber[light] is now on the DT list. DT List: Mynock Showtime! Caller BC Amber[light] <--low priority Lynch list: nemy RebirthofLegend Oh what's that? Why do I have a lynch list? Glad you asked. First let me explain why I'll vote for nemy everyday. Remember Mafia 3? Remember when Folca did that DT claim stunt, and even when the game ended I had to explain to idiots why you ALWAYS lynch the DT first? Here's part of the lesson - So people just don't do it in future games. We've been over this countless times. If you allow people to roleclaim DT on Day 1 with no consequences then every game some mafia is going to do it because they know there is a chance they can get away with it. People always say "well durrr, why would mafia do it if it's so easy they'd be caught?" - they do it because they know jackasses will fall for it. Just lynch anyone who does it so A.)Our real DTs learn how to play by bread crumbing and B.) mafia just wont risk the instant lynch. Do you see how this makes the game easier for the Town side in the long run? Well, nemy has played plenty of games before. He knows what happens when you RC DT Day 1. Then he got caught in a lie and still hasn't given up those Private Messages. Sorry, but any truly good Veteran Mafia player knows thats a call for death. You played your hand, you fucked up. I don't believe you really are a DT and actually I don't even care because your not needed to win the game. You can be a traitor - there are no better lynch targets yet and I doubt the first Night of kills is going to help that much. As for RebirthofLegend, I'm on the basis of going back to the old way of playing Mafia (MBH knows this style very well) - idiots die first. RebirthofLegend is so stupid and always seems to never know whats going on. He STILL can't even explain how it's possible nemy can be blue. At least with L I can see his point (L is fearful of the consequences) but with RoL it's always "no Ace, I never believe you". Every game I play there are morons like him that just like to go against whatever I do as if there's some prize for one upping me in the chance I'm mafia so they can say AHA! I got Ace! It's just a stupid strategy that doesn't work because he doesn't know how to read objectively. So anyone that plays like an idiot automatically goes on my list to be lynched. If you're a townie - think before you type. No really - THINK long and fucking hard before you hit that post button. Or you'll end up making dumb posts like RoL and nemy. We don't need morons for this town to win and unless there's a damn good suspect on the chopping block you're my first draft picks faggots. | ||
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On May 19 2009 05:55 L wrote: Again, read ace's post. His statement is that we need to discourage this type of play from future games regardless of any 'crumbling' in this one. Clear instance of punishing the current town for making a play he doesn't approve of. Oh now you're getting it | ||
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On May 19 2009 06:24 L wrote: Tricode was arguing against that point when you said his statements were logical and good. Contradiction again. how many am I up to now? I like to know my score when I'm playing a game. | ||
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On May 19 2009 06:25 Caller wrote: L and Ace, why are you guys still fighting? This is a really stupid point-whether or not we should lynch nemy-when we've barely started the game. At least wait until Day 2 and see if any clues point to him before you begin you ballasting of the other... uh what? I don't think you've been paying attention so let me clear it up for you... This whole lynching nemy idea is giving the town tons of information. I've expressed my views on why nemy is useless plenty of times. L gets to see where my motives are, and so does the town. I likewise get to see his motives too. We also get to see the vote records of the people that voted one way, but said something else in the thread. Oops almost forgot - we get to read posts about people for/against my idea of lynching nemy and how "supportive" they appear. Last but not least, the best posts of all are those people that don't even pay attention to it and just try and bring up another point. Trust me when I say I pay far more attention to everyone's posts than you people realize. ^_^ | ||
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But uh yeah, when did I say I skip any post without my name in it? I don't even remember saying that. | ||
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On May 19 2009 06:57 0cz3c wrote: I thought I'd try my hand at this, by the way. Empirically based, by the way. Mafia Percentages (Plus/Minus 5 percentage points for total accuracy) 1. Caller - 36% 2. Incognito - 34% 3. scamp - 14% 4. scaramanga - 98% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 31% 6. fishball - 19% 7. nemy - 78% 8. fusionsdf - 67% 9. Ver - 59% 10. bockit - 71% 11. plexa - 70% 12. camlito - 82% 13. showtime! - 20% 14. mikeymoo - 45% 15. dreamflower - 47% 16. ace - 9% 17. infundibulum - 43% 18. vivi57 - 38% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 35% 21. amber[light] - 39% 22. rebirthoflegend - 89% 23. MTF - 78% 24. 0cz3c - 100% 25. infinity21 - 87% 26. heavonearth - 95% 27. Tricode - 94% 28. Malongo - 0% <---- 29. MrBabyHands - 69% 30. L - 63% Chances that the person is NOT mafia (plus/minus say...2 percentage points) 1. Caller - 64% 2. Incognito - 66% 3. scamp - 86% 4. scaramanga - 0% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 69% 6. fishball - 50% 7. nemy - 36% 8. fusionsdf - 70% 9. Ver - 89% 10. bockit - 11% 11. plexa - 17% 12. camlito - 43% 13. showtime! - 19% 14. mikeymoo - 61% 15. dreamflower - 54% 16. ace - 91% 17. infundibulum - 85% 18. vivi57 - 42% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 68% 21. amber[light] - 59% 22. rebirthoflegend - 0.0001% 23. MTF - 17% 24. 0cz3c - 100% 25. infinity21 - ~30% 26. heavonearth - 23% 27. Tricode - 35% 28. Malongo - 0% <--- 29. MrBabyHands - 25% 30. L - 34% oh my, looks like you have a contradiction in your post. | ||
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On May 19 2009 07:56 LucasWoJ wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=25#492 Thanks for helping me find this, LTT EDIT: Btw, thanks Ace, Qatol, and Caller. I didn't write that. Ver logged into my account and did that. honestly. | ||
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Out of 3 hits that went through BOTH bodyguards get hit? So you really want to kill me on Night 2 so fast eh? Sorry nemy, I'll rape you on Day 3. Ver that was way to obvious, even for you. | ||
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On May 19 2009 13:37 Incognito wrote: You told the Ver/Ace your role didn't you...Or you told them something um...no. Nobody told me any of their roles. | ||
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passed on what? Look, we all know LucasWoj isn't exactly the most high-level player here but we do know he is the type to PM someone when he's on to something. In fact I'm pretty sure he was having conversations with Ver and revealed his role. First the Mayor campaign that went by so fast with Ver disappearing. Then the shoddy vote switching. Then his attempt to call me out, then pacify me when I retort by saying it was a trap. So he agrees with me to make me feel as though were on the same side. Oh my Ver, this is bad. Very bad for you indeed. Tell your buddy nemy he's next. | ||
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On May 19 2009 13:49 Caller wrote: he means to say its really strange that both BGs died. It could be luck. ... I'll let you say that to yourself 20 times and see if you still believe it. | ||
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You mentioning amber[light] to me as a possible inactive had everything to do with you perceiving me as thinking he was inactive - hence all you have to do is mention him to me. So once you come with your defense of "but if I was mafia - why!?" obviously I'd say oh shit! That makes sense! But then you come out of no where and lynch infinity21, whom you never even told me you were going to lynch. I never even told you I was going to bed, so I never got a PM from you asking your input about him. Surely if you cared enough to ask about MBH and amber[light] you'd do the same for infinity21 right? Right. Strike One. Now let's get to your defense of nemy. In fact I don't have to because it's pretty much nonsense. If nemy is the traitor keep him alive - rofl? And lynch who instead? Remember when I said I read posts objectively? LOL. Strike Two. Ahh and now let's get to this bodyguard scenario. Lucaswoj dying, shit man what the fuck? Now we all know I think Lucas is pretty bad in most cases. So who the hell would want to kill him? You mean in a game with all these good players HE is hit first? Ok I guess, *shrug*. Whoa hold on - the only other Bodyguard is hit also!? Oh dear. That means they'd want someone in office dead. How did they find out? Well, easy - the bodyguards told the Mayor. See, I'm guessing Lucas in his very excited behavior as he's always hyper PM'd you and revealed his role. Lucas is always trusting of authority like that. In fact I bet he didn't even READ the updated role descriptions because that's just the kind of thing he'd not do. So of all the 30 people playing and much better targets 2 out of the 3 deaths hit the only 2 people standing in my way of putting the rape on Mafia? Yea, your right it's laughable I'm questioning you - NOT! Strike 3. OFF WITH HIS HEAD! | ||
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The chance of hitting 2 bodyguards is a whopping 2 out of 870 in this game, or 1 out of 435 for you anal math people. I'm not going with the luck factor. So your #2 and #3 explanations are out the door. However you are spot on about #1 - they did roleclaim. To you. Sucker. | ||
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You hear it guys? Yep, sounds like grave digging to me. | ||
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But of course ya know, Ver is too busy with tons of PMs about nothing to figure this out. | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:32 Tricode wrote: .........i dont know what you are trying to qoute for or sighing about. I think there is some miss communication between us. /facepalm and you were doing so well too | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:36 Tricode wrote: I might have just missed something. All i am saying is, Ver can't be traitor if you saying he offed his BG's. That would mean he found a mafia that trusted he was actually a traitor and trusted him and avoided talking to a townie who figured out he was traitor through pms or w/e. Point is, if Ver helped cause these deaths, then he is mafia. Though i think it could be possible luck what happened. But Traitor to me seems unlikely. Almost, but you still forgot one scenario: Ver isn't a traitor - he's mafia. | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:38 Caller wrote: He is mayor after all. Remember when Qatol was mayor? He got mad PMs even though he wasn't confirmed also. ohhhh now you're thinking So even if the Mayor isn't confirmed, it shows that people may still send him info like a certain few people did last game right Caller? Now start putting it all together. | ||
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On May 19 2009 14:41 Incognito wrote: What? Why wouldn't he off his BGs as a traitor? He could just be attempting to make mass chaos. And he did say that if he were traitor he would make mass chaos. uh...I didn't say he wouldnt. | ||
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I can't auto spot if MBH is mafia, likewise he can't do the same to me no matter how much he tries to convince you all. The reason I'd auto Pardon him on a Day 1 lynch from Ver isn't because I know he's green but because I'm not sure he's mafia- hence I wouldn't want to risk losing a powerful player so early. ^_^ | ||
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Let's assume I am the Mafia Pardoner and dreamflower is obviously mafia and is about to be lynched: why the fuck would I pardon him? That would just confirm to the town I'm surely guilty. As for the rest of your post there really isn't a need to respond. Even your wikipedia link (LOL) is sketchy - of all the things Ace could be linked to it seems like you searched long and hard to find that one specific thing to pin to me which is false evidence. Try again sherlock. | ||
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bodyguards saw L posting and roleclaimed to him. "no way he could be mafia dude, he's playing totally different from last game!" L, who's mafia gets them killed Night 1. Oh yea, now I can get rid of Ace! And put the blame on the other guy too! Wait whats that? How would it make sense that both of them could be mafia and kill their protection, leaving both of them open to Vigis? Fuck it, no one would see the logic flaw. /dream | ||
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desperate? L, have I ever acted desperate in a Mafia game? I'm cool as a fan at all times. | ||
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On May 20 2009 07:38 L wrote: Ver/Dreamflower the next day. I think you can agree if you're town that they're better targets than I am. sure. But now you're trying to get BOTH of us killed when it's really damn stupid. Chances are that ONE of us is mafia but not both. Hence, while no one will listen to your backwards plan. Of course, well unless they are Mafia. ho ho ho. | ||
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Anyone could go through google, match something with someone and go AHA! Look guys! | ||
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We aren't sure if the same guy is going to google clues, if we even have the same exact mafia team, or even if the clues will be interpreted the same way. That's why I'm saying deal with what we KNOW and not what we can google because then any of us can come up with something to point to another person. | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:24 L wrote: I think you're angry that we figured out you + hardware. quoted for /facepalmage later | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:46 L wrote: So BC, you're saying that both people in office must be innocent because both bodyguards have died? Oh wow. I don't think he said that. Or at least I'd hope not. | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:58 Incognito wrote: To everyone who is saying: They're smarter than that: Look. Smart people can often make stupid mistakes. Stupid people, on the other hand, usually make less smart mistakes. But really, if you are going to play this game assuming that everyone is "smart enough to not do X", well guess what? They'll do it. Being smart means you take risks and you sometimes play unpredictably. Or else they'll catch you with your pants down when you point and say, "Hey they're too smart to do that". ^_^ which is exactly what I said about Role Claiming DT on Day 1. oh dear this town hurts my soul. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:08 Scamp wrote: Well Ocz in hindsight you were right all along. None of this would have ever happened if we had just elected you. You guys are making this insanely difficult. So I'll just go over a few of my thoughts. 1: I don't believe any scenerio in which the BGs roleclaimed to anyone. Why would they do that? Neither of them needed any protection against lynches. Also roleclaiming absolutely wrecked us last game. 2: I also don't believe any scenerio where either Ace or Ver purposefully killed off both the bodyguards. Obviously this also goes along with point number 1: they wouldn't even know in the first place. But if for some reason they did know why would it be better to be a mafia with no protection rather than a mafia with protection? 3: Three blues is way beyond coincidence for me. So, if either Ver or Ace are mafia then they killed off both bodyguards by accident. At this point I don't believe we should lynch either of them. I don't really trust Ver at this point but I also don't like the way Ace is going after him so hard. But I still trust Ace more right now. I'll explain. Assume for a second that one of us is mafia. Ver and myself both know it's entirely worth it to get ourselves killed to get rid of the other as it's a massive blow to the town. Look at the confusion this has caused. It's also not even a 1 for 1 trade: 2 BGs, a medic, no Mayor or Pardoner for one of the other. Epic win scenario for the Mafia. Then you have to realize that it's even more possible one of us is the traitor. This is something people keep forgetting - it's entirely possible the Traitor already contacted The Mafia. You guys forget that lots of players like to PM each other a whole lot and do work behind the scenes (I don't need to as I'm a muthafucking G). Hence, it's even better if the traitor gets the other guy killed as now all The Mafia live and lose 0 KP. L, in his rabid haste and foaming at the mouth behavior just didn't fully explain this next point to the town. If one of us is surely bad for the town, we might as well get rid of both of us. We don't have BG protection anyway, down a medic and he isn't willing to lynch nemy. From the Town's perspective this makes sense as this issue needs to be resolved ASAP. The problem of course is - who do you kill first? L fears I'll pardon someone (like Ver) which would be retarded on my part but he keeps ignoring it. Of course I don't wanna die as I'm pretty confident in my abilities and of Ver's multiple fuckups along with nemy. I also DONT want to use a double lynch on this because it's essentially useless as we end up losing both powerful offices when only ONE of us can be dirty. See why I'm not agreeing with this tactic now? | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:23 L wrote: L fears you'd pardon dreamflower if we use a double lynch on Ace/Dreamflower day 3 after killing Ver today. And that would be 100% logical if you're mafia because confirming yourself would do nothing: You'd already be the target of the double lynch. I've explained this to you twice. But you keep ignoring this other fact: Who said I feel like pardoning dreamflower? Dream flower has not been confirmed as OBVIOUSLY Mafia so your point is moot. If I pardoner her in that instance then you have every right to get rid of me. But that hasn't happened now has it? Stop thinking of worst case scenarios and LOOK at what we know. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:25 L wrote: Also, its quite possible both of you are dirty. The only person who would know otherwise would be you, so you can't assume people know you're innocent without roleclaiming or some shit. I told you guys I was a green townie. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:25 L wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL hey man why you hating on my swagger? | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Scamp, ace has done plenty of fishy things, hense why he was getting accusations of being red day one, i mean hell, look at all the vote swapping to him during the last few hours of the election um...what? That says NOTHING about me but about the people voting for me. LOL wow you are WAY off on that one. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:30 L wrote: Oh wow, playing stupid again. Let me lay this out for you. I want you to die now because I believe you and ver in death will offer up at minimum 1 mafia and dreamflower's pretty much in the bag, netting us a drop in KP. What order do I want you to die in? LET US EXAMINE: Ver / Aceflower v Ace / Verflower Scenario 1. If you are mafia, you ALWAYS FUCKING PARDON AS YOU DIE. you're saying "well, I wouldn't because that would confirm me but YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. YOU'RE TRADING USELESS INFORMATION FOR -1 LYNCH. If you aren't, you die without pardoning. Scenario 2. same people die, no threat of pardon. THIS IS SO FUCKING SIMPLE. THE PARDONER CAN GET WHOMEVER HE'S BEING DOUBLE LYNCHED WITH OFF THE HOOK. EVEN IF DREAMFLOWER IS NOT MAFIA, YOU WOULD PARDON. But you keep ignoring the fact we lose BOTH powerful offices in your rabid scenario. Find BETTER alternatives to come up with reasons to lynch insteado f "oh shit I googled Ace it links to some shitty woodshit I know nothing about GG fuckface!" Do better. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:51 L wrote: Both offices do nothing for town besides for +2 votes on Ver if he was town aligned which you don't believe. You're just pissy you die under the scenario. You and ver being confirmed as mafia/innocent holds the most possible amount of information for two and both of you are highly suspicious BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. But okay, I need a better reason. why don't you look at the post I'm replying to. Your defence was "I wouldn't pardon" and now you realize you're full of shit. Sorry ace, think through your posts before making them. Vig, please hit him tonight if we dont' lynch him. Behavior, voting pattern, clue analysis and the form of contributions all point towards mafia. Of course I wouldn't want to die BECAUSE I"M THE FUCKING PARDONER you asshat. Look, you don't even know WHO to lynch because you don't even have a credible case. You want to lynch Dreamflower when Ver is even more suspect, but you'd rather lynch me too in the off case that I'd pardon Dreamflower. So yes, to be "safe" lets kill everyone in the triangle! Brilliant! I'm the only guy stopping you from making mistakes like the one you're about to make YET you'd still go and do it. I already said SURE it makes sense to kill us both but since we all know ONE of us has to be innocent we don't NEED to kill both roles. THATS why I said DO BETTER and yet you ignore this basic logic. If I die don't be surprised when the town calls for your head. | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:40 Incognito wrote: Then vigi Ace tonight if Ver flips not town. :/ What are you a fucking puppet? | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:45 Incognito wrote: No but we do need solutions don't we? You seem to be content here fueling the fire and throwing the town into chaos... Uh? What? go ahead, how have I thrown the town into chaos. If there's one person who knows EXACTLY whats going on and have spoken up about it - that would be me. You don't see me hear trying to come up with ideas that cause for the lynching of multiple people, none of which are even fully confirmed, all because you want to try and catch leads on a voting list - which doesn't fucking matter. Because the people you SHOULD be looking at are THE CANDIDATES THAT LOST THE ELECTION. You thought I forgot huh? Yea like I said - I know EXACTLY whats going on. Don't try and steer the town to look at the people that voted for either of us because you DO NOT KNOW which of us is guilty yet so you'd be doing it fucking backwards by lynching us both. Hence when one of us pops up innocent and you forget about the simple fucking play of just looking at the candidates that lost the election like I said days ago then hey - maybe you'd stop coming up with dumb plans and just do THE SIMPLE FUCKING PLAY. Now both of you can pull your heads out of your asses and stop these nonsense plans. I tried to be nice about it without stating the obvious but your both so delusional and stupid it's time to start shutting your shit down. Get fucking lost or go do something smarter with your time. | ||
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On May 20 2009 12:21 L wrote: We learn nothing from killing Ace about Ver. See the above. They were working together until they were elected into office, now they're trying to force an either/or scenario. ACE IS NOT INNOCENT IF VER FLIPS RED. Whoa easy there - stop making shit up. I haven't worked with ANYONE this game, get your shit straight. If your gonna lie to convince the town to lynch me at least be more skillful than that. | ||
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On May 20 2009 12:45 Bockit wrote: L your whole argument on the double lynch revolves around Ace being mafia/traitor. Take that out of the equation and you waste today's lynch. Lynch Ver now, and it's still possible to vigi Ace tonight, if we decide he is guilty. Then tomorrow the double lynch can take out 2 more suspects. By lynching Ver first, and vigi'ing Ace tonight later (if we decide to do so) we get more time to decide what we think about Ace. As to where I stand on Ace, at the moment I'm 50%. I can't decide if he's town aligned or not I keep flipping what I think in regard to him. And no shit, if Ver flips red it doesn't mean Ace is innocent, I never said that. He doesn't get that point. He's WASTING the town's Double Lynches no matter how much I try to explain to him to stick to my original plan: We all agreed that it's highly likely one of the losing candidates in the election could be Mafia. Why are we even going a different direction? Notice how as soon as the 2 bodyguards die, all of a sudden it's lets lynch Ace! If not , Vigi him! Oh and use the double lynches too! Get lost with that shit. So you want to kill 3 people, use a double lynch, and hope I don't pardon someone all because you feel panicked we are about to run out of time? Ask yourself - do you honestly think I'm gonna let you get away with this shit? | ||
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On May 20 2009 13:08 L wrote: The only thing Ver's lynch will tell us is circumstantial evidence regarding his voting record and some information about the people who voted for him. It won't directly implicate Ace except via Mynock. If it does implicate Ace via Mynock, we have, again, the same 3 musketeers scenario that my suggestion counters. My plan is the BEST plan for going forward. It lets town kill mafia faster, get more information, hits the most likely targets. It is the most logical and straight forward path to victory and people are picking up on that. VOTE FOR ACE AND DOUBLE LYNCH. TOMORROW VER/DREAMFLOWER (unless we find someone better than dreamflower) DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS MAN HE IS FUCKING ASSTARD. Implicate Mynock via Me? Have you forgotten who your dealing with? Obviously. See, as everyone who pays attention knows I stick up for people when I feel there's some bullshit bandwagon forming against them. I did it for JeeJee last game, I did it for Ghar the game I was Mayor, and I did it for Mikeymoo when he was innocent. See? So your point fails because there IS no implication. Especially since DING - I haven't had to stick up for Mynock. Never have this game. Get your facts straight. Your plan is the most ILLOGICAL plan as it's pretty much a zerg rush crapshoot and I can see through the bullshit. Look at my voting records? LOL? You can do that NOW. Why would you have to kill me to accomplish that? Easy. Because you're a guilty red fuck thats why. Hi Mr.Mafia L - 3 times now is it? | ||
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Come on, don't be stupid like last game this is fucking see through EASY. | ||
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Once again get your facts straight and stop trying to force my lynch. | ||
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On May 20 2009 15:56 L wrote: My plan is perfectly logical. Keep lashing out mr cool cucumber. No you didn't work with Mynock and Ver to get voted in. No there wasn't a hueg voteswing to you day 1. No YOU weren't the one that coined the term 'three musketeers' to cement the solidarity between you three. No you didn't defend both mynock and ver until day 2 started. so because people vote for me based on my compelling posts to get myself elected that means I'm automatically fishy? Ummm. no. It woul be SMARTER if you actually looked at the voters first instead of trying to lynch me as lynching me tells you absolutely nothing. So let's see: 1.) Wrong about me working with Mynock and Ver to get voted in 2.) Wrong about me causing a suspicious voteswing as if it came out of no where 3.) Acting as if coining the term "The three Musketeers" is automatically cause for creating a Mafia coalition 4.) Of course I defended both of them - from retarded assumptions because like I said before We did not have enough information. Obviously with both Bodyguards dying on that night it would make sense for me to have an argument huh? Yea, you sure are playing this smart huh? If the town even goes through with this they definitely get dunce caps handed all around. And yea, go ahead and try to lynch any but dreamflower. I'm gonna pardon them because right now your making no sense and are acting more mafiaish than anyone with the exception of Ver and Nemy, and of course dreamflower who voted for me in one more move for the books. | ||
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On May 20 2009 16:13 L wrote: How would you work to get someone into office, then? Not supporting them? Not making your entire day 1 post content about how Ver/You/Mynock need to get office? How does that equal working WITH them? Explain doofus. | ||
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L's plan is really just a "lets get rid of everyone" plan, with me as the top dog just because I might Pardon someone. What L fails to understand is that Ver has shown such mafiaish behavior, and I haven't (even though he keeps making shit up) that it's obvious who needs to die. Once I die (because mafia will surely kill me tonight) you'll lose your Pardons and one of your voices of reason. Then L has a big fucking flaw in his argument: The vote lists. What exactly are they going to tell you? If you want to know the reason people voted for me - JUST ASK THEM. If I was to flip red and you looked at my votes what can you possibly determine? That most of the people on there are Mafia? - WRONG. You couldn't because I caught a surge after I made a platform post to get elected, hence you'd be having a very difficult time in knowing if those voters are legit townies who liked the post or mafia majority. And when I flip green then what? Or how are you going to explain how Ver got his votes when he flips red/traitor? Go ahead, what are you going to do? Telling the town "we'll just look at the voters list" after I'm dead means shit. Like I said from the very beginning, the one plan that will get us where we need to be: look at the people who did not get elected that ran for Mayor, and look at nemy. In fact even if you want to believe nemy is legit, look at all the people that were involved in the arguments FOR nemy being a legit DT. Don't drop the fucking ball on this one. | ||
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2.) Pardons can HELP the town. How many times have I already shown you that I've ALWAYS caught the bandwagoned townie and stuck up for them? Plenty. So don't try that bullshit. 3.) YOU GET ZERO INFORMATION FROM MY DEATH what are you going to do? What "side" do I have? Who can you say I'm working with? Go ahead, answer these questions. No matter what color I flip you find nothing out because there is no one in the entire game I'm associated with. I've said this countless times and you keep ignoring it. Look at my vote list all you want - it all happened after my platform post. Hence, you can't honestly say it's pure townie or majority mafia and you keep ignoring this point. What if Ace and Ver are Mafia? Holy shit! yes what if we BOTH are Mafia! Then it made perfect sense to kill the 2 people protecting us from Vigis and draw suspicion on ourselves! LOL thats just STUPID. L - your getting desperate. Just stop. | ||
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On May 21 2009 02:20 L wrote: Depends on how Ver/x flips as well. What happens if you flip red, ace? What happens to that train of mafia that voteswung you? Someone's afraid. Yes, because all the Mafia, even though there are only a few them all voted for me enough that they'd be caught that easily. Yes L, your logic is frightening. | ||
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On May 21 2009 02:31 L wrote: 1) yes you have. you initially supported ver, switched on a dime the moment day 2 happened. you denied supporting people I've given 100% proof you did. you've ignored a massive amount of information against you. you have a fucking shifty ass voting record behind you. you consistently misrepresent the abilities of the pardoner. you use emotional language instead of providing solid logical argumentation. you readily admit that someone who ran is likely mafia. I can go on. 2)Pardoning cannot help the town. If you want to stop a bandwagoned townie, you need to convince the town of doing so. The only time this can be used effectively is if the townie is confirmed, and I don't see how we can confirm people in this game outside of PM work. 3) I get plenty of information from your death. Believe me. You pretend you aren't associated with anyone? Your supporters and those you supported during day one are fairly good connections, as are the people who voted for you today, and the people defending you today. There's plenty of information to be gained. Its pretty fucking obvious we're getting information from your death. Its also important that we can gain further information by eliminating the threat of a mafia pardon to allow double lynches. 1.) DUH! Both of the bodyguards die that protect myself and him, Ver lynches a guy who he never brought up to me in PM and then stops posting? He makes some jackass post about trying to trick me - No shit why wouldn't I suspect him? How is that suspicious? *puts dunce cap on L* 2.) Pardoning can't help the town? Are you retarded? How many times have I shown that I've ALWAYS got the right guy pinned. Go ahead and try and deny it. Every single time I've stuck up for someone they flipped Town right? Right. So if you guys are about to lynch him and I pardon him then obviously I did my job right. The evidence is there and your just bullshitting. Your last sentence is even more laughable - they can only be confirmed outside of PM work...really? So all those times I knew those guys were innocent I went to Little Tokyo and paid some guy to read my fortune? Genius. 3.) No you don't because you can't answer this simple question - WHO is associated with me? Saying your going to look at who voted for me is hogwash. Who are my supporters? list them. What are there connections to me? List those too. how about we eliminate you because hey - you just might be mafia too! In fact I hope you do get vigi'd tonight just so I can be like well...we gained a lot of information from his death. | ||
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On May 21 2009 02:51 L wrote: 1. Don't ignore everything else, good sir. Throwing up an either/or red herring is standard. Both of you would be in on it so the plausibility of the situation is irrelevant if you're both mafia. 2. How many times have you played mafia and abused the fact that you were respected by the town? Why should this rest on the fact that people need to ASSUME you're innocent? All of this assumes you're innocent. My plan DOES NOT REQUIRE THAT ASSUMPTION. My plan provides maximum effect EXCEPT in the case that you/ver flip double innocent. No one agrees that's possible. 3. Who? Musketeers (Ver Mynock) and people you've supported (Tricode, etc) The entire votelist for you (0cz3c <-- from Ver Ver <-- from Caller Malongo <-- from Fishball mikeymoo <-- from Mynock MrBabyHands HeavOnEarth <-- from Abstain Scamp <-- from nemY Bockit <-- from Mynock Mynock < -- from Ver Ver <-- from Showtime! Tricode <-- from Mynock) Bolded extra suspicion due to overlap. Depending on how Ver's flip comes up, these would be analyzed differently. Mafia wouldn't have had the impetus to seed a bangwagon on you if they had ver going, for instance, but they would have had the impetus to voteswing you. If you and Ver are red, tricode is likely red as well. If Ver is green and you are red, Malongo MBH and HeavOnEarth become more suspicious. The people who have defended you. Caller, Mynock etc. These will be cross referenced with the Ver list depending on how he turns. Caller, for instance, on a double red, would look red as well. Cobbler would look very red too. But that's all preliminary because I'm going to go back to all of the old posts and review them in depth and I'll invite everyone to do so with me while we have a few people clue checking. We're also going to have another 3 mafia clues to examine, another hitlist to look at and all of the content posted in-thread until then. LOL. What the fuck? So your plan is just kill everyone who I've even remotely been nice to or complimented - absolutely brilliant. I've supported Tricode?! - LOL! Sure L, sure I have. You still haven't answered my questions even remotely well. It still stands - if both Ver and I were red why would we kill both of the bodyguards? You're about to kill off a lot of innocents and waste double lynches and NOT play it safe - the very thing you accused me of doing. You're playing like shit - stop your nonsense. | ||
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On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote: Lol, compare that to my pms: And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit. Oh shit I have the same PM L! Guess that means your part of the underground Mafia network too now! | ||
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Ver and I are both Mafia, hence we'd want to make ourselves vulnerable to vigis just so we could pull an amazing trick on the town? Incredible! And why would I examine the voting order of the people who voted for myself or Ver when it's even BETTER if I stick to my original plan and look at the candidates who lost the election. It's a smaller sample of players and we've already concluded that it's likely one of the people that ran for Mayor/Pardoner is Mafia. Stop trying to divert the town from that path. Vigi - kill L tonight. | ||
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On May 21 2009 10:16 Ver wrote: Yup Mynock you know it's coming. I have been busy yes, but I've still been around plenty. I have pm'ed a lot of people I felt were innocent regularly after I realized talking in the thread was useless, and have been busy doing analysis and feeling too apathetic to deal with this awful mess. It was a real pain trying to refigure out this game after I realized a huge number of people that I considered were playing well below their normal level are simply dumb non-mafia. Yeah it was a huge mistake to run for mayor and watch it kill my motivation, sorry. But I don't care about fulfilling campaign promises if the situation changes. As mafia I have much more reason to keep suspicion off myself and stick to what I say whereas I'll do if I please if I'm innocent. Don't worry my reveal-all post will come soon. Need to write it and send some things to my coalition first. All the reason you need to be lynched now. Playing around in PM land ignoring the thread to try and convince people? I've demonstrated numerous times the best way to look innocent is to play in public and yet he does the most mafiaish thing. Busy doing analysis - but too apathetic to deal with "this awful mess" as in you just don't want to defend yourself. OK! No problem. someone get the rope. | ||
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You mean the Day before the bodyguards were killed right? Right. Because after they died + the shifty PM I instantly said I think he's fishy. Thanks for the fail. Now what other Mafia players have I supported? | ||
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On May 21 2009 10:41 L wrote: It was Ace's defense last game. I agree its a bullshit defense, but it was actually valid in the most recent example of it being used. I got lynched last game? lol. | ||
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On May 21 2009 10:44 L wrote: MTF, we already 100% agreed that if Ace is mafia and he's going down, its always in his best interest to pardon the other player, mafia or not. If both Ver and Ace are mafia, your analysis of the 'large bandwagon' is consistent with what most mafia players would do in the current situation. Drop Ver, switch to Ace. And regardless of the nemY situation, if Ace flips red, the voteswing is a voteswing. THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL WHICH SIDE HE'S ON. IF I'm Mafia - which while is a solid idea you keep ignoring the fact that very few people think I am. Your plan relies on the fact that I'd be confirmed Mafia by now which is not the case and you keep trying to ACT like I am. Which brings us to problem #2 - Ver and I are Mafia - which is impossible at this point. If both of us were Mafia you'd be ignoring a VERY glaring problem - we would never kill off both Bodyguards if that were the case. And since you are relying on #2 to prove #1 as the point for me being Mafia and going along with your plan - it fails. This is what we've been telling you for ages but you come up with new ideas in your head to justify a failed plan. | ||
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On May 21 2009 10:47 L wrote: When incriminated by versatile you threw up your hands said the town was stupid and won a titay. because you'd have to pretty stupid to believe someone who's about to die as their last line" I know Ace's playing style - he's Mafia lynch him!" and when she flips innocent you assume she knows what she was talking about even though she barely paid attention to the game. I win. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: he may be the only one who believes ace is mafia, however, he could easily be traitor, or a retard towny. The longer the ace/L fighting continues the longer the town will be in chaos. As such we should off ace tonight as he is a suspect to put an end to it all. WHAT?!! | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote: It proves his role, means the town sees that he is infact a blue and rallies behind him which would mean shit because he wants to modkill himself. Derp Derp. How much cock has Ver given you in those PMs? This plus your last post about "yea, lets just kill Ace anyway" doesn't sound like a good look for you buddy. Hey wait a sec - didn't you run for Mayor? oh me, oh my... | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:27 Showtime! wrote: So Plexa does have a voice after all. Why do you think Ace is mafia? As for Ver's post, I really don't know what to make of it until after the lynch. I'm really confused as to why you would withhold this information from us for this long. Wake up! All of us are playing bad. Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon. Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time. Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him. Laughable really. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:37 Plexa wrote: The reason I think Ace is mafia/traitor is that this is exactly how he behaved when we were mafia together whether or not this behavior came up in other games im not sure. But from my experiences this is enough for me to think he needs to die Now Now Plexa you know I'd never be that transparent. FYI I played this way last game too when I was innocent. ^_^ | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor. As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig. What chaos? Go ahead, point it out. What chaos have I started? Your BULLSHITTING. This whole time I've been arguing with L it's been pretty normal because it's easy to follow. There is nothing "chaotic" about it. Chaos would be false roleclaiming to the town and getting innocents killed and just creating a big fucked up situation - that hasn't happened. Get your shit straight and kill the fluff posts. You spotted Ver as blue during elections? Thats nice. Really. But I'd never believe any of you are good at behavior analyzing that well because Ver has told me he's correctly analyzed me (LOL) and can't get it right this game. Sure buddy, I believe your "coalition" has things straight - RIGHT! I don't play this game to pick out the blues - I go for the reds homie. I don't need to PM a ton of people to do it either - get ya skillz up yo. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:48 L wrote: I've already stated his position on the Ver list makes him a very suspicious target after we get our information : ). But glaring mistakes are pretty much ignored by the town, because your post had 2 and most of your posts contain one if not more. I like your coolacecucumber return to form, though. Shoulda kept that up the entire game. Naw, I tried to keep cool last game for too long and drunken Caller killed me. If I don't shout they don't pay attention to people's mistakes. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I've yet to see anything out of you other than random pointing, and arguing, if your so 1337, why don't you provide some magic list of reds youve found. As for finding blues yo? You need to find either greens/blues to get a circle going but hey you know that as you typically do it everygame, except rather than work with people this game, your barking like a dog and hoping we'll listen. I've just highlighted the part of your post that will send you to the chopping block. Don't think we forgot about how you were linked to a clue before either. See you on hmm...Day 3 on that double lynch block? Yea, sounds about right. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:49 dreamflower wrote: All right. I wasn't sure I wanted to post this, but I'd like to mention my own reason for believing Ver is innocent. Why do I think this way? Because I'm still alive. Normally, these two things wouldn't be connected in the least. However, well before Day Two occurred, Ver contacted me through PM to say he believed I had a blue role. Specifically, he said he thought I was probably medic/DT. This alone made me think that he wasn't Mafia, because he wouldn't have bothered to PM me at all if he were; he would have just killed me. Why leave a potential victim the possibility of getting protection? Being tired and surprised, I worded my response rather regrettably in a way that probably wouldn't convince him otherwise. When Day Two dawned, I knew that if he were Mafia, I would be dead. The fact that I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as a blue, persuaded me that Ver is innocent. Why leave a blue role alone, especially if you suspect them to be a medic or detective? Both are potentially far more valuable and devastating for the town to lose than two bodyguards, because of their inherent abilities. I'd have made a far better target than poor LucasWoJ or mikeymoo. Instead, I didn't die, even though he had figured me out as blue. Thus, logically, he can't be Mafia. Which means he's innocent and has the town's best interests in mind, more so than the likes of Ace and L bickering and quarrelling with each other. Here are the PMs we exchanged, if anyone wants concrete proof about the conversation. To: Ver Subject: Re: your mafia role Date: 5/18/09 12:25 Ironically, I just wrote to you not thirty seconds ago. And no, no one has contacted me. The confusion over nemY has pretty much occupied everyone's minds, and I don't think I would have come to anyone's attention anyway. What makes you think I'm a medic or DT? Or even a blue role? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I think you're a medic or DT. What do you think of the current situation? Has anyone else contacted you that's playing? Let me get this straight (holding in laughter) Ver sends you a PM, fishing for info. He claims medic or DT (even though you have no clue about what other blues he could have known) and you think because he kept you alive - he must be innocent? ... ... So...you come with this "evidence" near the lynch deadline. Showing up with Ver and his magical pixie buddies. However - there IS one thing you just did - you just fucked Ver over. Lets read between the lines. Ver asks you if your a medic or a DT right? He didn't ask about Bodyguard?! Which would kinda mean he'd know who the Bodyguards were. And you said this occured well before Day 2 which means it happened BEFORE the bodyguards died. Good going smart guy - you just proved that Ver indeed had to know who the Bodyguards were. BOOM! | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:50 L wrote: Someone just said your style this game and last game were the same as evidence you're innocent. You now state the opposite but didn't call it our early. k. But srsly, coulda avoided so much hassle if you kept things civil T_T. where's the fun and amusement if no one is insulted? :/ Look at how civil Ozc or whatever is in his posts and no one reads those shits. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:57 L wrote: You just fucked up REALLY hard. Go check your statement and your vote today : ). I voted for Ver. Which statement are you talking about? | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:02 L wrote: Lol, what. there's no proof of that at all. Ver could have been uninterested in finding bodyguards or already Pm'd by mikey and didn't want to hit both. More than that, look at the content of the fucking post: how would he analyse dreamflower's role if bodyguard is given after the election. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL That said, i disagree with other portions of dreamflower's post and dont' doubt there's a mafia there. That's why chopping block + day 3 already has her guillotine ready A better question is how could he possibly analyze dreamflower's posts when she barely posted anything at that point. ^_^ But yea she just jumped on the train post so I guess she's gone Day 3. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:03 L wrote: Talking about double lynch day 3 when 1) we currently aren't going to get one by the current vote count. 2) you aren't voting for it. wtf I thought I voted for it my bad yo v_v | ||
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But yea Caller just fucked himself over. Oh well. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:15 Caller wrote: eh you were fishy along with some other people. I figured that this incredibly poor excuse for a lynching was getting pretty stupid and just randomly picked somebody I thought was fishy ^^ MTF fishy? ... This is a Veteran's game at least make your bullshit interesting (this goes for you too BC) | ||
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Then you call out MTF for being fishy when he's been pretty sane in his arguments thus far. Just dont be surprised you get to sit in the derp derp section with BC and dreamflower (Ver can't sit with you he'll be dead by then) | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:18 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mayor - You are the primary elected role of the game. You gain two extra votes for lynch voting. You also, once elected, get to choose the first player to get lynched. You cannot choose the Pardoner. You show up as Mayor for all Rolechecks. Learn to read the rules tool, 2 extra votes would be his reg 1 + 2 for mayor = 3. o snap got me there! too bad you'll see first hand tomorrow how the voting system works. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ace, ver will die flip blue, and then town realizes the retard in office is hey, YOU. Then we look at your supporters through this retardedness and have an idea who to lynch tommorrow. how much $$ you wanna put on this? | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:23 Caller wrote: I looked at the primary instigators of all this shit: it's mostly a back and forth between you and L. I asked you if you thought L was just retarded or traitor, and you said both, so clearly there's no need to lynch him atm. Naturally, if you flip green/blue it would've been a poor choice. To be honest though, I doubt either of you are mafia. which would mean you would have never voted for me if you didn't think I was mafia. Come on man, do better than that. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:26 Caller wrote: [/s]The very fact that you continue bringing up this controversy can lead me to only naturally assume that you are being scummy here. I don't understand why you don't simply just [i]drop it-it's a really, really stupid idea to get caught up on. actually no, it's going to be the post I keep bringing up because you just repeated the same nonsense Ver and BC did. You say L and myself caused chaos when there was no chaos. You show up at the end of voting to cast a vote on me, but then say you randomly chose one of us. And now you use the excuse that you're sleepy so you don't know whats going on. Ok sure. People that deserve to die tomorrow Ver BC dreamflower Caller People that need to be investigated tomorrow amber[light] I know I'm forgetting a few other names, I gotta go through my notes and put it together. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:27 L wrote: Lack of posts and the profile thread indicates a town disposition that doesn't want to be discovered. A long term blue role: Dt or medic. I don't really give a shit about Ver's suspicions because he's going to die and we can talk about them more later, but its pretty open and shut how he'd figure shit like that out. That's how he sniped the majority of blues last game. come on, people can't literally be thinking "shit I'm a Dt better act shifty" - actually nevermind. I just remembered how last game went. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:36 L wrote: Malongo: You are town, you know you can get office. Do you run as mayor? HELL YES. If you know you can get office, you get it. If you're blue, the spot isn't in red hands. If you're red, it isn't in blue hands. What shitty fucking analysis. Yea I agree with this lol. Good try Malongo but if you are town and think you can get office you do it in hopes of kicking a red out. Doesn't help Ver though as he's scum and his time in office won't last long. | ||
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Switch your vote! Stop using me as a shield just to get your info! This is JUST like that time I was Jakiro and Testie used me as a fucking shield to get a triple kill. FUCK! | ||
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and you know CM is a fucking whore too so I couldn't run either. But yea go go go avenge my possible death! and Incog where has Qatol confirmed he will modkill Ver and how does that "prove" anything? | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:55 Qatol wrote: Ok I'm just going to make the modkilling thing with Ver nice and clear: He asked me if I would modkill him if he requested it. He pointed out that if I refused he could be a very destructive influence on this game. I don't want that. Therefore, if he were to ask me to modkill him, I would do it. However, I'm not going to make any deals or whatever. For instance, I will not agree to modkill him if he is not lynched. Take that up with Ver himself. ok so once Ver says he wants to be modkilled no matter what happens he's gone right? | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:56 MTF wrote: That proves nothing other than that you asked him if he would modkill if asked to by Ver. Not that Ver will be modkilled. Ask yourself this, also: why would Ver roleclaim Veteran if he's planning on dying anyway? MTF don't try and talk sense into these people. Didn't you read last game? *edited out a name | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:30 Ace wrote: [/s]actually no, it's going to be the post I keep bringing up because you just repeated the same nonsense Ver and BC did. You say L and myself caused chaos when there was no chaos. You show up at the end of voting to cast a vote on me, but then say you randomly chose one of us. And now you use the excuse that you're sleepy so you don't know whats going on. Ok sure. People that deserve to die tomorrow Ver BC dreamflower Caller People that need to be investigated tomorrow amber[light] I know I'm forgetting a few other names, I gotta go through my notes and put it together. Ah by some stroke of luck I just remembered another one: Incognito. | ||
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On May 21 2009 13:02 L wrote: Dreamflower. You will vig hit whomever is not killed tonight. If you don't, I am going to bring this town straight down on your ass tomorrow as planned. You will do this because roleclaiming will have you 100% killed, so its really not an issue either way. If there is an extra hit tonight which corresponds with you, done. Problem solved. If not we proceed with tomorrow's double hit. Ver gets modkilled. Have dreamflower if she's legit just end BCs miserable stay in this town, or Incog because he's a gump. | ||
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Take dreamflower off my list until another person claims Vigi. With 6 players Mafia won't want to or hope that an inactive Vigi was the case. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS - clear the Vigi issue first. Once thats done, go back to voting list of zerg rushers. Your FIRST suspect should be BC, second should be RebirthofLegend and Incognito. Then and only then shall you move on to nemy. Don't drop the fucking ball on this. Medic - of all people not to protect tonight DO NOT protect anyone that voted to have me lynched. DO NOT FUCK THIS UP. There should only be ONE person on that list you should even be thinking about protecting and it's so fucking obvious I wont even say it. Last but not least, READ my posts. There are tons of little hints in them. | ||
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On May 21 2009 13:08 L wrote: I don't know if we can assume Ver will ask for a modkill if he's mafia. Better to just laugh at us and absorb another lynch, or msg Qatol on msn and go "lol i lied ^_^" or some shit. Does my caution seem reasonable here? I haven't fully analysed the entire modkill business yet, so opinions are helpful. I have the same caution. I don't even know if he really will be but some asshats are sitting there drooling going "lulz 2 for 1 hubba hubba" and not thinking straight. Whatever, 2 dumb towns in a row but at least this time there are about ~7 people with their heads not in someone's ass. | ||
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Look at Bockits last post! Look at Bockits last post! Look at Bockits last post! Look at Bockits last post! Look at Bockits last post! Look at Bockits last post! Look at Bockits last post! Ver made a deal but it's not a guaranteed modkill! It's a false pretense! L come on man you know what to do! | ||
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Hold on lemme go reference my rules on how to play this fucking game: Ace, uber sexy Mafia God wrote: 6.) Reading objectively. This really means learning how to ignore the emotions and fluff in a post and picking out the key information and coming to a conclusion. Doing this you would start to ask yourself some basic questions and realize that a lot of the posts you see can be easily broken down to find major holes. In other words knowing when to pull your head out of your ass. | ||
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On May 21 2009 13:21 Vivi57 wrote: You guys do realize that ace is probably traitor right? traitor's goal is TO GET LYNCHED. This delays the town by a day and helps the mafia. What will you guys do when ace flips traitor? seriously...what the fuck? | ||
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On May 21 2009 13:25 Qatol wrote: Correct. No deals. If he says he wants it, it will happen though. (sorry I am being positively bombarded right now.) Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo anyone home in those brains? If Ver simply doesn't ask for a modkill he lives and the town has to waste a vigi hit or lynch on him. You fuckind tards this is even easier to see through than when Qatol was Mayor last game. Fuck this I'm moving to Pyyr's mafia town. At least over there they have twinkies. | ||
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Ver is mafia/traitor. He told you guys "lol kill ace yo I promise I'd mod kill myself to prove it to you guys ez!" and Qatol just said IF Ver asks for it he will do it. DUH! He just won't ask for it. L how many dunce caps do we have left? Vivi is holding like 8 and I'm running out. | ||
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Of course just switch your vote and off this sketchy fucker now and I can live to destroy all the mafia tomorrow. Look at how much trouble they are going through to have me dead. | ||
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On May 21 2009 13:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Ace if you flip green I'm sorry for being retarded It's ok we all drink sour breast milk sometimes ^_^ | ||
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On May 21 2009 13:37 Incognito wrote: I'm not. I was manipulated like a fucking assclown Right you are bucko. | ||
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Caller you can have my pet rock collection. | ||
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BALLER! chicken shit for you hoez! eZ! peace! *soul floats to heaven to chill with Fishball* | ||
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On May 21 2009 14:54 Ver wrote: I request to be modkilled so that I can focus on priorities and not screw over the town by sucking anymore. I see through your trickery. | ||
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On May 22 2009 00:55 Mynock wrote: Anyway, n00b teammates, look at their items, feeders, etc, etc... I'll fume myself off somewhere, maybe I'll come back to try and patch this shit up. Maybe not, I don't care ATM. Lets play DOTA right now | ||
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<---gonna go play DOTA and be back after post goes up. | ||
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Third game overall cuz he failed as a bodyguard in Mafia 2. :/ | ||
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I feel bad too because when LTT said that crazy plan with V from Vendetta I was like wut???????? | ||
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L was probably one of the town's best players, I'll explain in a long writeup. | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:22 Malongo wrote: =/ thats it? lol i suck at this. | ||
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Check out the Mayoral candidates. lololololol. | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:43 Bockit wrote: What do people think about dt roleclaiming to get elected? just a stupid fucking move 99% of the time. BC probably gets MVP for Mafia side (based only on public posts) because no matter how much fucking nonsense he posted somehow people would go "no...no....I think he's on to something!" rofl wtf. | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:10 Tricode wrote: Agreed. Beyond agreed. Thanks for pointing that out Ace. Do you guys even read the posts? They don't, because if they did they'd remember that all that "arguing" me and L did actually would have led them to the right path. I did say maybe the mafia thought of this but they never wanted to say it: If you lose the election, you get investigated. DUH! Mayor/Pardoner invincible from role checks wtf were people doing Ver was accused because of so much circumstantial evidence. I told them if Ver followed his initial idea of lynching MBH or Amber[light] (BOTH were mafia) if the bodyguards died the next night I would have probably forced myself to leave Ver alone - I don't think he'd kill his own mafia ally and leave himself open to vigis just to kill me. Just a bad idea on his part, oh well. Town MVP....hard to call. I'd say MTF because he had the right line of thinking but seemed too timid to force it out there. Bockit was oh so close, then just dropped the ball . I had told someone in PM right after I died I didn't feel TOO bad because Bockit and MTF started posting and the town would win the game. As for MBH I only suspected him for like 10 minutes because he would have had an incredible defense - how can anyone suspect him because he's quiet when Plexa and Camlito are too AND they voted without posting? There was no point in even thinking about it any further. More to come later, DOTA game starting right now ^_^. | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Man, Its because you came off as traitor so hardcore, and for the most part at the start my posts weren't as angry, I came off more like a calm rational person so got the benefit of the doubt. Then my huge 5 page analysis i purposely bolded names as i knew almost no one would read the damn thing past the names, and hense a bandwagon was started I dont know -if I was traitor wouldnt I be trying to save people? | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote: haha, or p ushing the death of townies. I gave up many fake names, and in pm's i was trying to redirect df's hit, I set up a few votes for you into office actually ace due to how bulldogish you were being, etc.. impossible I told people all you have to do is read my posts objectively and you can just figure out what I'm trying to do. Not my fault people get emotional and can't think straight v_v | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:33 Incognito wrote: When you act bulldoggish nobody wants to listen to you. Even if you're right. So just don't do it. nah, I'll keep doing it. I like to see the looks on your faces after. | ||
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voting for nemy because he might be a DT - how many times do I have to explain to you guys just NO. Kill the fucker and move on. You left him alive and he still did shit. The other DT was well...yea, just as bad. For the sake of the game pretend there were no detectives. Both of them lived to the end and not 1 Mafia outted when it was staring them in the face. Caller Showtime! Then you had the traitor BC and then you had Ver's mistake which was why both L and I thought he was mafia: his PM to me that saved Amber[light] This should have been the instant lynch of Amber[light]. I called it - Ver's suspicious non-lynch of amber should have been reason to investigate him. No one could investiagte Ver, hence you'd have to check Amber[light] by default. Anyway enough about the shit DTs. Like I said they don't count this game because they were sitting around talking to people in PM land. Which once again brings me to this tip - stop fucking talking to people in PM land if your easily tricked. Seriously, how do you listen to some guy because he's fishing for blue roles? :/ Even worse is the fact that you give up so much information, then get corralled into voting wagons with mafia so it's damn near impossible to tell who's just stupid or who's legit mafia. The only reason I had confirmed BC as mafia(he was traitor) is because he was posting some seriously off the wall shit. I was shocked to see people agreeing with it though, so I had to just bunch them all up in the idiot wagon and block them out. Turns out he seduced a lot of you in PMs so destructively that when he posted in the thread, you couldn't even read past the nonsense. If you want a prime example of how bad this is just go look at the night I got lynched and read up to it - it's pretty damn frightening how you all got duped. Now let me get to this L point, because this is pretty stupid. How can you stand back and say L played terribly when he was one of the few people doing anything worthwhile? While you morons were sitting around twiddling your thumbs in PM land L was trying to make a plan (flawed, but better than nothing), and you all sat back and said "oh no, he is causing chaos". I wasn't lying when I said I understood perfectly what he was trying to do, and if you couldn't well then maybe you should learn how to read objectively. Even worse is that for all that blame you put on others you still can't accept the fact that you fucking sucked ass this game. Technically only about 7, maybe 8 Townies played the game. After Ver died I said ok, this game is over. Mafia have 0 chance of winning if the town just reads back and puts the pieces together. The only reason Ver was labeled mafia was on multiple circumstantial evidences. I was lynched because people got emotional and also because L had a suicidal plan. So once we both die, just put the pieces together. You can either try and follow Ls plan and look at the votes, or check my plan and look at the candidates. Did any of you have a credible plan before that? No, didn't think so. so then L dies and what do you do? Listen to MBH who pops out of no where with some really crazy post about Oz being mafia. ... and then you kill Oz. ... Then only a few people call MBH out on it, but dumb townie logic prevails and you end up almost letting Vivi live also. How the fuck do you get from TWO plans of action to massive finger pointing of everyone else and then have the balls to say the people that actually did work caused trouble? Your a scrub and that's just the way it is. I've come to the conclusion that this was not a Vet game - a lot of players are overestimated. too many people just are not that good, and just don't learn from their mistakes. Next game I guess I'll just have to take it more seriously as I didn't think the town could fuck up after what happened last game and yet people STILL don't go back to read posts and piece stuff together. Good job town, you got a pity win. You can keep it. | ||
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On May 24 2009 16:55 Qatol wrote: While he did, his scenario blowing up in his face and the MBH prot were really bad. Also, he caused WAY too much chaos. But agreed, he is getting a little bit of a bad rap, since he did stuff like helping get Caller killed. I dont think the "chaos" he caused was that bad. Remember, most of the people playing stood by and did jack shit, then when the outcome was bad were like omg L you confused us QQ. :/ If people were reading the game it shouldn't have been THAT bad. Or the least they could have done is offer up some other plan if they think he's a fuckup. | ||
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You guys were a lot farther from the win than you think. The game only tipped when you and MBH came out in public and started posting. Before that, if anyone was paying attention you guys pretty much had no chance to win because you were too exposed. Once Ver died - you, Caller, and BC were all out in the open. Also lol @ blue sniping: look at what MBH just posted. Come on man how many times do I have to tell you guys I don't believe in that shit. If people just stop trying to play the game in PM land and keep their heads in the thread they'd stop fucking themselves and the town over. | ||
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On May 25 2009 09:01 Incognito wrote: Sigh. The end of game comments. The time where everyone yells about how they knew X and Y were mafia and how Z was MVP because he guessed correctly that X and Y were mafia... A while ago (don't remember when, but I think it was after a game where mafia got completely destroyed), we discussed how most people didn't know how to play mafia well. Well, now that's kinda different. People know how to play mafia decently, they don't know how to play town well. Seriously all of this "I knew X and Y were mafia from day 2" BS doesn't matter if nobody can trust you as town. The yelling and other chaotic tactics employed by L/0cz3c/Ace don't help the town either. This style behavior makes it fairly easy for them to hide when they are in fact mafia. The ambiguity and chaos caused does not help the town. Its not the town's responsibility to figure out what you're really trying to say. Its not the town's responsibility to "read objectively". The only reason you'd have to post emotionally is when you're mafia. Its not your job to be right then act strangely arrogantly just because you are right. Its your job to make the town think you're innocent, then proceed accordingly. I think that people like Ace play this game simply to prove that they are right. They yell a lot, get themselves lynched, then yell back at the town saying how they suck and that they were too blind to see what was in front of them...It doesn't help at all. All it gives them is bragging rights to tell the town how they were right all along and that the town is stupid. At the point where you start bulldogging you might as well be dead. They are useless to you alive. Nobody will or wants to or even should listen to you KNOWING WHAT THEY KNOW at that point. Of course in retrospect you can yell at them and say how they suck, but it makes no sense when AT THE MOMENT you are just bringing suspicion onto yourself and not helping the town. A lot of townies did not do their job to make it clear that they were town aligned. I won't mention names but seriously you can't expect to construct poor defense, appear out of nowhere with accusations, and yell when there are better things you can be doing to help the town. Painting yourself as a target does not help the town at all. A townie's first job is not to find mafia. It is to make sure that he looks like a townie. Otherwise looking for mafia is hopeless. A lot of townies made themselves very suspicious. Mafia capitalized on this fact. As a rule, concern yourself with taking care of your own role before looking at other people's roles. I don't know what you said but considering it's the longest post you have in this thread I'm sure it's pretty useless. | ||
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On May 25 2009 11:53 Showtime! wrote: Do you want to read our MSN chat logs? Matt not only knew who was blue (with the exception of Lucas and MM because there was no way of telling they were BGs), but he knew their exact role. Originally we were going to get Heavon and Tricode. 9v6 or 8v6 (with Cam Modkilled). Do the math and look who was left. It would have been easy. We had everything planned out, so don't give me that whole 'you were far from winning shit.' Qatol was going to end the game as long as we lynched off two greens. End of story. There were too many mishaps and all of us were sick and tired of it. your talking about the very last night, I'm telling you you had it lost days before that. If you really think you had it that easy then you wouldn't have felt the need to quit. you fail. GG. | ||
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On May 27 2009 00:10 Amber[LighT] wrote: If that was the case why did 10 townies die before you guys could lynch a mafia member? L for future games you should take a step back and read everyone's posts and maybe not 'analyze,' since as far as I remembered you were one of the most misleading townies of the bunch. Because once those 2 bodyguards died the situation between Ver and myself had to be cleared up. It was the best move for the town to do so. If those 2 bodyguards didn't die, or Ver lynched you or MBH on Day 1 I'm sure the election candidates would have been the next suspects. | ||
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I don't think you understand. Ver sent me a PM saying he wants to kill you or MBH. He lynches infinty21. Then 2 bodyguards die the next day. Seriously how hard is this to figure out? Sure the kills were dumb luck but from the town's POV that was damn near impossible. Look at the odds of both bodyguards dying and tell me how your post makes any sense | ||
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On May 28 2009 05:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Ugg Ver, if only you just killed amber And now that Amber is posting even more dumb shit I really wish he did | ||
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http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Lynch_All_Liars I like rubbing it in. | ||
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The reason he should have been lynched is when he was asked for his PMs he lied after posting something which had nothing to do with anything. So yes, the link is very appropriate. | ||
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