TL Mafia 5 [Game Over]

Some articles fell from his pocket, torn ticket stubs, old popcorn, a dried up white flower; just trash he had picked up from the ground. He got up and ...grabbed him from the back of his head. He slammed Camlito into a chair several times. ...finished him off with a final crushing blow.

However KEEP AN EYE ON RICE and TRICODE note how RICE he came to defend himself furiously after being pointed PEOPLE vote dobule lynch tomorrow.

On March 22 2009 02:09 redtooth wrote:

Then argue your way out of it instead of wasting one of our rolechecks. We all agree that one paragraph is a clue. The whole "black, coat, teeth, knife" set of clues is obviously pointing to one mafia member. My question is if not you, then who? Find the real culprit that these clues are pointing to. They aren't just stuck in there, there isn't just a huge coincidence. These were carefully thought-out clues that is pointing to one and only member of this game. I'm willing to bet that it's you.

On March 22 2009 02:23 redtooth wrote:

Just went through all my posts from last game (or the ones I could find). Didn't find any case of me singling you out. Why would I do such a thing anyways? The only person I would go after is 0cz3c because he's an idiot. I'm not going to risk losing just so I can make your life miserable, especially considering that I don't know you.

Those clues aren't that well hidden. Chuiu literally listed some blatantly obvious clues (like the trash in the pocket of that one man, explosion, etc etc). I just chose to look at that one paragraph because it reminded me of your profile picture. Remember, you were already under suspicion from your behavior earlier. Once again, I challenge you to find someone that fits the clues better or make a good, elaborate argument about why you're not. Lashing out at someone is just the noob mafia defence. I'm glad to see that your activity has escalated though. It makes it easier for us to analyze you.

On March 22 2009 05:42 redtooth wrote:

Man you're always around.

On March 22 2009 05:56 redtooth wrote:

By the way, what did you edit out?
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On March 22 2009 06:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
@ Rice who says: "These clues are well thought out, and well hidden. Why would he make such blatantly obvious clues?"

Lol, how would you know how good the clues are at this point if you aren't mafia? No one has tied a clue to Rebirth of Legend, it's possible he died before a clue was made for him, so we don't know how the clues might be working this game yet.

On March 22 2009 10:33 0cz3c wrote:




Then there's Rice to consider. I felt redtooth did a good job with bringing him forth. Before that, Rice had rarely, if ever posted. And then, in a flurry of activity, when accused, he begins to post. And he doesn't defend himself. Rather, he makes pointless one-liners. He shakes off any accusations he has with a laugh.

Then he does the typical, "please rolecheck me so we dont waste a hit that couldve been for someone that is actually mafia... this is getting ridiculous how much crap im getting for having a picture of guys with knives in my profile in a MAFIA game." A rolecheck to me seems far too essential to waste, especially with him being in the running for being mafia. His behavior seems incredibly suspicious to me.

For this day, however, I vote for Mandalor to be lynched. I trust SoG entirely, and, with good fortune, he will turn up red rather than black (miller).

On March 23 2009 17:41 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Preamble: I came to this conclusion shortly after the Day 2 post but waited until night to unleash it to collect more behavioral information. Since it's night I better post it now in case I die. I was going to wait until the last few hours of night to post it but I've got a lot to do in the morning and I might forget.

aZnvaLiaNce is really suspicious.

I went through all the profiles with the Day 2 clues in mind and found nothing that really caught my attention except Rice's, which redtooth explained pretty well.

But, I found something that matched up pretty damn well to something in Day 1 (a lot better than Pika Chu, lol):

From Day 1:

"Over at City Hall Incognito just realized something the mafia might have missed. He began sifting through the rubble thinking he could score something to help catch the mafia. What he didn't know was one stayed back to make sure he was dead. He was shoved forward while hunched over pulling some concrete away and smashed his head into a large chunk of debris. He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost. With one shot to the head Incognito's life was ended."

From aZnvaLiaNce's profile:

"How can there be any meaning in the memory of such a being? What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion."

On Day 1, Incognito has a memory of something about the mafia - he isn't able to find it and it may have been an illusory memory planted to lure him back to the scene of the crime.

"Whoever wins, the battle does not end. The loser is set free from the battlefield, while the winner must remain there. And the survivor will live out his life as the warrior until the day he dies."

The battlefield of Day 1 is City Hall, which is destroyed in a victory for the mafia. Incognito is a loser in that he failed to prevent this, yet he escapes to freedom from City Hall while one victorious mafia stays behind. Incognito is then lured back by a fruitless memory and killed by the warrior that stayed.

Looking back, this seems like the most clue-worthy passage; several players commented on this. Some people thought maybe it tied to lurker (which I thought might be true). I'm sure whichever mafia was tied to this passage would want to take a real low profile.

So, what has aZnvaLiaNce's activity looked like so far this game:

After the day post on page 7, aZnvaLiaNce's first post WASN'T UNTIL PAGE 42. And did he apologize for being so inactive or give some kind of excuse? No, he used his first post to try to link someone to a clue. (Contrast with Centric who's first post is on page 53). This correlates with someone who is lurking the forums without contributing because they don't have an incentive to do so. They are up to date on everything that has happened between page 7 and page 43 and therefore tend not to notice it has been a long time since they've posted.

Also of note: aZnvaLiaNce did not vote and did not post after the day post despite posting multiple times before the day post (behavior matching RebirthofLegend's). He didn't post even after candidates said they would kill inactives, just like rebirthoflegend (though the election may have ended before he may have seen this, don't forget that rebirthoflegend was shown to have done some posts on the site elsewhere while being inactive in the game).

Here's aZnvaLiaNce's first post of the game:

"Hmmm......clues in Camlito's death.....the white flower, torn ticket stubs, popcorn and it even said he picked them up as trash off the floor. This sounds like a bum or hobo....either it's too obvious as a clue or I'm on to something"

It seems pretty clear he's trying to implicate bumatlarge - why doesn't he just say it? It's like he's trying to lead the town a certain way but wants someone else to be the first to mention bumatlarge by name so the accusation doesn't get traced back to him. Why would a bum collect ticket stubs or flowers anyway? I could see food but it doesn't seem as obvious or as likely as his wording is geared to try to make it seem. This mafia is a theater worker so it makes sense that ticket stubs and popcorn would be in his pocket. It is the dried up white flower that sticks out, IMO. Why is it white? Dried? There are several profiles referencing flowers.

From Zapling's profile: "Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free"

From dreamflower's profile: http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/41975.jpg
(He pre-emptively thanked everyone for not bringing up this picture since his flower is blue, apparently missing the white flowers behind the blue one)

From Phrujbaz's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/40422.jpg

Also could be a packrat or cleaning / trash / janitor reference although all I came up with for that is someone with a mice and men reference which is nowhere near packrat.

MrBabyHands gave the same bum idea a post or two later and I'm not too suspicious of him so maybe it's not that weird.

After holding out on accusing aZnvaLiaNce I watched the rest of his Day 2 activity carefully:

He goes with the bandwagon here, and then defends Rice:

"##I vote to lynch Mandalor
##I vote to use Double Lynch for tomorrow

I have this very very odd feeling that Rice will turn out blue....."

Kinda sounds like the odd feeling Mandalor had that semioldguy was mafia. Also weird that he would make these posts that make no apparent contribution - Rice is blue - no idea why! - This is pointing to a bum but no idea who that could be. I make vague statements like these when I have gut feelings or complicated feelings I can't quite explain without barreling into yet another War and Peace-length post but they don't make up all 100% of my stated thoughts.

I sent a pm to semioldguy asking to check it out and he responded:

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I responded with this and he's ignored me since (this was more than 24 hours ago). Maybe he's backlogged with IMs, though he responded quickly to the first one and has posted a bunch since my second one. Or maybe he's mafia. Most likely he thinks its a shitty idea. I definitely think there are better ideas to check now but this was the best I had when he asked for ideas right after claiming DT.

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On March 24 2009 17:15 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Monoxide I would say is the mafia corrosponding to infundibulums killer.

Why you ask? Monoxide or extrapolated to Carbon monoxide can cause clouds. Add the fact that his profile has http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Monoxide

an animated gif of someone who seems to be floating and attacking.

Since he seems to be floating, he could easily move quickly to the fallen weapon, and if memory serves me, the bloodmage hero from wc3(which that is the hero in the gif). Attacks via ranged magic ball from his hand.

Mikeymoo's killer i would suspect links again to humbug and Snet seems like a good link so far to pika chu, although it could possibly be zapling

On March 25 2009 07:31 semioldguy wrote:
The following are the current tallied votes, listed under each player in the order they were made.

Scooter - 24
Pyrrhuloxia
Truthbringer
JeeJee
aZnvaLiaNce
Fishball
semioldguy
CompX
motbob
Bockit
malongo
RaGe
dreamflower
Night[Mare
BWdero
BloodyC0bbler
Icysoul
blue_arrow
chaoser
0cz3c
ahswtini
Rice

Humbug - 11
Pyrrhuloxia
Truthbringer
aZnvaLiaNce
Fishball
semioldguy
CompX
motbob
Bockit
malongo
RaGe
dreamflower
BWdero
Icysoul

Rice - 1
Night[Mare

3 Lions - 1
JeeJee

JeeJee - 0
BloodyC0bbler

LeperKahn - 6
BloodyC0bbler
blue_arrow
Pyrrhuloxia
chaoser
ahswtini
Rice

Night[Mare - 1
0cz3c

Abstain - 1
Phrujbaz


Notes on above:

Withdraws:
The withdraws happen in the order of BloodyC0bbler (which was switched almost instantly and without any new posts); followed by semioldguy (which I explained my reason for doing and did not replace my vote with anyone) and lastly Pyrrhuloxia (who switched his vote to LeperKahn. It is also noteworthy that Pyrrhuloxia was the first to vote on the day)

Today’s Non Voters:
Anyone who has posted since the Morning Three post has read my post claiming that Scooter has been role-checked by another Detective and shows up red. I was hovering online to make sure I got that post up quickly to make sure people saw it. Twenty-eight players have been active in posting so far since Morning Three. Everyone who has voted has used one of his votes for Scooter, but there are still several players discussing who haven’t cast votes. Those players are:

ydg (voted semioldguy on Day One, did not vote Day Two)
Caller (voted MrBabyHands on Day One, did not vote Day Two)
Ace (voted MrBabyHands on Day One, did not vote on Day Two)
fusionsdf (voted Pyrrhuloxia on Day One, voted Mandalor and Double Lynch on Day Two)
Naib (voted Pyrrhuloxia on Day One, voted Rice on Day Two)
MrBabyHands (voted semioldguy on Day One, voted Mandalor on Day Two)

Plus our one abstainer: Phrujbaz (voted semioldguy on Day One, voted Lucktar and Double Lynch on Day Two)

I, semioldguy, am also the only one currently to place only one vote, instead of two or zero. (did not vote Day One, voted Mandalor and Double Lynch on Day Two)

New Voters:
Truthbringer is the only voter who did not vote in Day Two.

The Accused:
Scooter has yet to make an appearance in day Three. I find it unlikely for him to come out at this point. He also has mentioned that he has school finals (as one of his three posts since the game began). I am willing to believe his claim of finals for his inactivity, as his posts per week have been on the decline the past couple weeks from what they normally have been for him. Not that any of this really leads to anything because I am pretty sure he is going to flip over red.
Humbug has also yet to come out today… in fact he hasn’t posted anything on Team Liquid since signing up for this game of Mafia nearly two weeks ago. Something tells me he isn’t likely going to be coming back.
LeperKahn also hasn’t made a post today, or in the thread at all since Day One voting. He has made a few posts elsewhere on Team Liquid since then, so he is around. He’s even made a post today.
The others aren’t currently under heavy accusation (at least not vote-wise)

On March 26 2009 23:49 malongo wrote:

Please reasons, they are inactive and weak clue linked at best. And a note to the town: afaik we have no vigi hits so our 2 double lynchs and 9 or so rolechecks should be handled with care. At this point inactives should be lynched one.by.one (swidt) if no rolecheck helps, remember there are 2 millers and a godfather in the deck.

On March 27 2009 13:22 CompX wrote:


this fits the profile of Monoxide. If u watch all the animation of the picture. You would see that the HT guy jump up, just like a uppercut.



This is the characteristic of a DT, the possible suspect with the DT icon only can be Fishball, Snet and that is it.

GO GO expand on my clues

edit: the italic part is what I edited

re-edit: the italic part is what I re-edited