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On November 03 2008 14:40 Ace wrote: Alventenie your thinking assumes mafia are 100% stupid.
Mafia wouldn't kill Folca tonight. Leaving him alive forces the town to lynch him tomorrow. Whether he gets a role check in again or a vote check in again means nothing if there are only two lists to check. So you'd actually just be starting from scratch, and taking chances on decaf's unfulfilled clue. Thats the problem people have - your long term plan isn't really long term. You HAVE to lynch Folca tomorrow anyway and he can't do a vote check when he's dead can he? So you might as well go the sure fire route and lynch him today because between me and him, you KNOW one of us is mafia.
This is bs...
Either way we'd be wasting a Lynch Ace, and you know it.
Let me make this obvious to the entire town, (caps time)
IF WE LYNCH FOLCA TOMORROW, WE GAIN MORE INFORMATION. TODAY IS A BS LYNCH. IF WE LYNCH FOLCA TODAY WE ARE STILL WASTING A LYNCH. IF MAFIA DONT KILL FOLCA AND FOLCA FLIPS BLUE, ACE IS FUCKED. IF THEY LET HIM LIVE, WHEN WE DO LYNCH HIM, IF HE FLIPS BLUE, A SURE MAFIA IS FUCKED AND THE REST OF HIS INFORMATION HELPS. SO WE GAIN MORE ALLOWING HIM TO LIVE TIL TOMORROW, and no harm except wasting time if he lied.
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Ace isn't thinking. That's why I think he IS MAFIA
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On November 03 2008 14:50 Ace wrote: You're right, if this was last game I would say the same thing. I'm going for Folca because we KNOW there is a collision of facts here: either him or myself are going to flip red.
With decaf there isn't. The clue pointing to him is really not even that deep. Just like last game when the town has no idea what to do, we start lynching people and hope they turn red. This time, we know for a fact that either myself or Folca is going to flip red and it sounds like you guys are banking on the fact that he flips blue.
And if he is red, doesn't get lynched tonight and decaf flips green today then what will we all be saying?
On November 03 2008 14:51 Empyrean wrote: We traded off a townie life for more information by a detective that may lead to more mafia deaths. epic rebuttal
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On November 03 2008 15:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: as one general note as well, im a cook and thinking about the final meal "clue"
In a traditional meal setting, as in a banquet or the like, you would have coffee after finishing the entire meal, as a finisher.
Rather than just pin decaf as he fits the chicken = meal, and decaf = coffee
Yogurt fits the mold by also being a food item, with a picture of it in his profile Falcynn has applesauce repeated as part of his profile Hero's pink has two people sharing a milkshake
More than just one food connection, and as a final meal coffee makes sense, so not really a good lynch guys, lets think on it more
You can thank me later decaf :p
Usually you finish your meal before drinking the coffee....
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On November 03 2008 15:03 Alventenie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 15:01 Empyrean wrote:
Additionally, if we kill decaf and he is red, we will likely vote to lynch Ace instead of Folca next, since Ace is so sedulously defending decaf in the rare case the mafia don't target Folca and we have to choose between him and Ace. Incorrect, Folca will be lynched tomorrow if he is alive. We won't deviate from our path of killing accusers who role call detective. The fact that we are keeping him alive 1 extra day is to get more info before he dies, but die he will. Its the only way to 100% know if ace is mafia or not.
I will probably be voting Ace tomorrow if Folca lives through the night....Just because the mafia might not kill him to make us kill him, just because how staunch Ace is on his murder Folca path....
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On November 03 2008 15:05 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 15:03 Alventenie wrote:On November 03 2008 15:01 Empyrean wrote:
Additionally, if we kill decaf and he is red, we will likely vote to lynch Ace instead of Folca next, since Ace is so sedulously defending decaf in the rare case the mafia don't target Folca and we have to choose between him and Ace. Incorrect, Folca will be lynched tomorrow if he is alive. We won't deviate from our path of killing accusers who role call detective. The fact that we are keeping him alive 1 extra day is to get more info before he dies, but die he will. Its the only way to 100% know if ace is mafia or not. Unless clues start to point towards ace after tonight, but that isnt likely to be easy to spot
let us do remember Ace can possibly have clues pointing at him right now...K?
No mayor, No authority....Let us no listen to Ace...
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On November 03 2008 15:06 Ace wrote: Emp of course I'm defending decaf: no one has yet to give strong evidence to why he should die. and like I've said countless times, myself and Folca already present a CLEAR path to a resolution.
You and Alventenie are BANKING on the best case scenario when you have no idea whether decaf is gonna flip or not. Did any of you cite any DT investigation into decaf? No. Your whole thing is "I think this clue fits him", and neither of you are even known for being great at clue analysis. Thats why I'm not buying it.
And of course I'm sure you would say that. Me defending decaf paints both of us mafia. So lynch me first now, instead of Folca even though the burden of proof is on him and he has nothing to do with decaf. Right. Makes perfect sense don't you think?
Why not bank on the best case scenario....Decaf might flip blue....he might flip red....he might flip green....Either way Folca dieing today would be stupid....Instead why not vote you dead today and cut out the middle?
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On November 03 2008 16:40 fanatacist wrote: I think MTF's clue on MidnightGladius is particularly strong. I was like "GOD DAMN O:" Agreed.
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On November 03 2008 17:19 Mandalor wrote: Did Folca use his second role check already? I've read through the last pages, but probably missed it. If you haven't, I suggest checking either nemY or SoleSteeler. It really only is a gut feeling I have, but first of all they posted the exact same things: "I abstain, because I don't have a clue. Good Luck to the town blah blah." Sort of. It's the exact same thing 80% of us mafia did at the beginning of the last game before we had a plan.
I vote to lynch Folca, for now.
How are you going to ask if he used it, THEN VOTE HIM?!
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On November 03 2008 17:22 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2008 17:19 Mandalor wrote: Did Folca use his second role check already? I've read through the last pages, but probably missed it. If you haven't, I suggest checking either nemY or SoleSteeler. It really only is a gut feeling I have, but first of all they posted the exact same things: "I abstain, because I don't have a clue. Good Luck to the town blah blah." Sort of. It's the exact same thing 80% of us mafia did at the beginning of the last game before we had a plan.
I vote to lynch Folca, for now. I have to disagree with you. People abstain from voting when they don't agree with the current trends in the game (the current Folca vs Ace thing is kind of ugly and fishy to me, it seems a bit too weird that someone would impale themselves on the cross for 1 Mafia kill. There is definitely a ploy in there to fuck the town over, imo.). Mafia would be more likely to play along with the plans in motion so as to mix themselves in with the crowd. At least that's how I see it. EDIT: Good night all.
It would be more useful to vote some random person....Mafia can hide by abstaining...They can't hide by voting someone random.
For all abstaining, vote for me. Don't hide yourselves by abstaining. That is suspicious.
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On November 06 2008 15:07 Chuiu wrote:![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLday.png) Audaciously anticipating accessible attempts an anonymous assumed a angle. As Empyrean advanced around adversely his advantage abated. As abruptly as Empyrean agitated an anonymous accelerated. Aroused, anonymous attacked actively accusing an abrasion abhorrent and animating. Anemic and asthmatic Empyrean assuredly after all'ed. Marked man maneuvered muted into mysterious mien. Alventenie mindlessly massaged as man made most merrily memories the milestone materializing. Mediating machete with misfit man murderously mutilated Alventenie monstrously. Murdered and massacred Alventenie mangled the mat. Indifference innovated ingenious individual to invent initiative. Instinctively individual intervened impetuously in Caller inflicting insult and injury. Irrationally irritated Caller insisted in improvement. Insulted, individual interpreted as insurrection and inflated Caller into inextricable. Nervously Fishball nudged nearly to navigator. Nefarious neighbor non-belligerently narrowed nukes nearer. Nastily needling nuggets nefarious neighbor naturally newbied Fishball. Nevermore. [noCluesArea] You know the drill
Who was protected....? And thx for the temp ban Plexa....I couldn't change my vote ;-;
</end hatred.>
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On November 07 2008 01:35 fanatacist wrote: Next time just compile all your responses into one post instead of continuously posting without checking the thread. He warned you repeatedly but because you were busy spamming posts every minute you didn't see it. Just have some common sense man. I'm aware...I was just lazy and didn't feel like cutting and pasting @_@
Oh well...I don't really care anymore....I suggest whoever got protected speak up....
Until then, BECAUSE HE SURVIVED....
I would like to vote for Plexa
p.s. Not cuz you banned me, but unless you were the one protected last night, and two hits on one went down, or a vet was hit....you would be MAFIOSO, I'm highly open to changing my vote if any of that is the case.
p.p.s. I mean, come on, Plexa living? Get real.
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Did Plexa ever say he was going to be inactive in the game for a few days, PRIOR to living the first night?
I mean...that could just be a lie? I don't doubt exams though, I have a mid term next Monday....
Just curious if he said he'd be inactive....
Edit:
I've already said....I'm entirely willing to accept the fact you just lived...
I'm still all for lynching Decaf too, even though I'd like to tie more, but I gotta head to class....
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On November 07 2008 02:18 XCetron wrote: I think the clue in "Man" can be a possible connection to BloodyC0bbler, here are my reasonings:
His user name is BloodyC0bbler, perhaps "man murderously mutilated Alventenie monstrously" is a reference to that.
Also another phrase in the "Man" description: "as man made most merrily memories the milestone materializing". CB's quote says "Quote Sweet Water and Light Laughter" , maybe its connected, the merrily and laughter, as those two usually accompany each other. Also "Alventenie mindlessly massaged" perhaps he was in the bathtub, so "Sweet water" is linked to that.
How was that looked over? I agree with this....It makes sense...
Bloody cobbler....Sounds very gore filled.....Sounds extremely plausible....
I think vigi Ace is better than lynching him....its a sure fire mafia kill, we won't get many of those, so its better than randomly sending vigis after townies....So I disagree with fusion on that...
GOD no mayor, can't trust anyone....this makes it difficult....kinda suspicious that fusion said to lynch him instead....vigi hits can't be blocked unless a paramedic's involved...@_@
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On November 07 2008 02:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote:as could you, or every other player here, I merely observed that due to the nature of my name, for your reasons the connection is slim. Or it could just be strong, if you think of cobbler as the dessert....
EDIT:
SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST
Forgive me, I won't do it again @_@
I forgot....And had two windows open...
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On November 07 2008 03:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote: How does me being a potential dessert be a strong connection? the last meal clue from day 1 already links to like 4-5 people, adding me to it makes it picking between a bunch of people who due to the alliteration could link to everyone on it. I do appreciate the looking into clues, but its more fruitful looking somewhere that will get you a mafia.
Honestly I didn't think of the first day clues with this set yet...
But I was referring to how cobblers get messy....The attack was messy....That's why I said Chuiu could of been pointing the clue at you...But you just reminded me of the last meal clue....
@_@
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On November 07 2008 11:48 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 11:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 07 2008 11:38 Ace wrote:On November 07 2008 11:36 Amber[LighT] wrote: Why are you guys voting for ace? We already know he's a mafia we can have a vigilante go after him and attempt to vote for someone else we suspect. because they are teh scared yoz! honestly, if you try to vigi me that would be pretty bad on the town's part Actually if we send a vigi to kill a suspected mafia and they turn out to be a townie then we have a clue pointing towards a vigilante mixed with the mafia clues, which results in us possibly lynching our vigilante's. it matters fuck all who the vigi targets whether they target ace or target some random player THEY WILL LEAVE CLUES BEHIND however, anyone we try to vigi only has a chance of dying, due to the fact we cant coordinate the vigis/jack, unless we stack all of them on one person. Anyone we lynch is 100% GUARANTEED to die we are 100% sure ace is mafia. so lets use our guaranteed kill on ace. If we try to vigi him and he survives, you will feel reeeeeeeeeeallly stupid. If we tr to vigi someone who may or may not be mafia, thats really not that bad a thing.
But....if we Vigi Ace WE KNOW who got vigi'd....That way we know what set of clues NOT to interpret.
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Fusion's been ignoring the obvious....
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Isn't....It easier for the detectives to single out individuals if the group they are voting for is tiny....like....If three people voted for midnight, and dt checked, and none were mafia....? I mean....if you have one person vote for some random townie....the DT won't need to rolecheck the person to find out if he's townie or mafia....so you don't waste a rolecheck
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On November 09 2008 11:41 fusionsdf wrote: While I dont trust opz or chezinu, ace isnt going to be so easy to interpret as that mynock
Look...I gave you the perfect way to trust me....Vote check my list...I was the only one who voted for Plexa (ass hole). Go...Do that...Townie I bet....
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