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On November 07 2008 03:30 MTF wrote:
"inflated Caller into inextricable"
Insulted, Individual saw Caller's criticism as open revolt and [killed Caller*] in an impossibly complex way.
*the inflated is literally the only thing that doesn't make sense in this sentence
To inflate = to blow up, perhaps using explosives? Just a thought.
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I hereby vote to lynch MidnightGladius.
His quote
"It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General
fits in with the clues of the first day.
Team Micro Melee: Macro - FE -> Nukes
Could fit the Nefarious Neighbor who uses nukes too.
Always ready to try out the strangest builds conceivable
Could be connected to day 2's Individual.
And I'm sure you could also find something for him being/having a gladius if you want.
Please note that these connections are all utter crap and my vote might easily change if someone finds something better.
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On November 07 2008 07:14 fusionsdf wrote:
scorch, if you feel thats a strong suspect, its beter to vigi and save the lynch for ace
so far our vigi list is
(this might have to be culled, if some of the suspects aren't worth potentially wasting a hit)
-decaf
-midnightgladius
in the mean time I would ask you to vote according to nightmares list (if we only have two lists, each detective knows not only the result of the list they checked, but also the results of the other list by process of elimination. But the more people who abstain/ or vote against the list, the harder it is for DTs, and the less info they gain from the list check.)
Alright, I'm gonna change my vote from MidnightGladius to Ace. Now that was fast, wasn't it? Nightmare's list looked different when I started writing my post. I was still allowed to vote for suspect #2 then.
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We have about 20 people voting at all, and few of those comply with any plans. Victory is going to be hard to achieve this way.
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That discussion is obsolete. No way we can change the course of action now, as night is coming up shortly. Don't know if there's much interest in doing so either.
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On November 08 2008 15:06 Chuiu wrote:![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLnight.png) [noClueArea] I think everyone saw this coming. Right, Ace?
Surprise, surprise. And now what?
Should vigis act and murder somebody? How many? Who should be the target?
If we kill someone at all, the smartest thing for me would be to have two targets, from among which each of our three vigilantes selects one at random. This would yield a 75% chance of both targets dying.
The question remains who the top suspects are. I took the liberty of suggesting decafchicken and MidnightGladius here, but that is subject to change. The question here is mainly how many people should be targeted.
Poll: What should the vigilantes do tonight?
(Vote): Kill nobody
(Vote): Kill one (decaf?)
(Vote): Kill two (decaf & Midnight?)
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I agree, and I voted "Kill nobody". I edited my above post to make it clear that the poll is about the number of kills, not who the targets should be.
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On November 07 2008 07:01 Scorch wrote:
I hereby vote to lynch MidnightGladius.
His quote
"It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General
fits in with the clues of the first day.
Team Micro Melee: Macro - FE -> Nukes
Could fit the Nefarious Neighbor who uses nukes too.
Always ready to try out the strangest builds conceivable
Could be connected to day 2's Individual.
And I'm sure you could also find something for him being/having a gladius if you want.
Please note that these connections are all utter crap and my vote might easily change if someone finds something better.
There you go. It's all weak stuff, but I don't have anyone better to offer.
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Whoa, this batch of clues sucks for me, as it blatantly links to my name. To my defense, i can only say that it is too obvious to be true. Everything that has to do with fire will automatically lead to my name. Chuiu doesn't normally make clues so obvious. Then again, decafchicken was very easy too 
Being on the defensive blows; I don't think I can say anything that can't be used against me. Well, I'll have to let my behavior speak for myself. So here goes:
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I vote to lynch KH1031, and I strongly encourage you to do the same. If we get this right, we can reduce killing power for the upcoming night.
On November 06 2008 14:44 bumatlarge wrote:http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tlmafiare0.png(screw that here is the link) Tis an unlucky day for mafia? I got this PM from Ace, and, as it obviously entails, I think KH is mafia. This could be an elaborate scheme to kill 2 townies, but it honestly looks like a mistaken PM. Why wouldn't Ace just include more names for the hell of it? And of course I need to die, but I was meant to die the moment Ace sent this PM. Fate? Green for Red. THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT FOLCA!
Ace virtually gave away KH1031 as mafia in a PM to bumatlarge (by accident?). Now that bumatlarge has been revealed as a townie, we can be sure that the screenshot of the PM is legit. KH1031 is thus most likely mafia. The only way KH can be innocent is if all of this is an elaborate mafia ploy, which I find quite unlikely.
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Furthermore, I'd like to direct your attention towards this:
On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote:
Alright people, listen up: I've got information from a detective regarding the last vote tally, and it seems that out of the people who voted for decafchicken, 2 are mafia.
Another person should soon confirm the same message.
Now, we obviously can't be 100% that the information is correct, but I think it's somewhat safe to assume it is, since role-claiming, especially an important role like a DT, would be a pretty stupid move by mafia.
That would beMandalor
ZBiR
Artanis[Xp]
HeRoS)Pink
Amber[LighT]
Lenwe
BloodyC0bbler
Since Mynock is innocent too, his information seems quite reliable. A mafia could have claimed DT towards him, but that's very risky and thus unlikely.
So we have a great 2 mafia out of 5 (40%):ZBiR
Artanis[Xp]
HeRoS)Pink
Lenwe
BloodyC0bbler BloodyC0bbler seems to be high on everybody's suspect list for various reasons, so he should be killed soon too.
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On November 09 2008 21:08 KH1031 wrote:
Although you're blatantly trying to accuse me so that the attention would be redirected, I will try to stay objective on your logic analysis.
It's not me who originally accused you. That was bumatlarge, who was a townie. Furthermore, desperate blatant attention redirection is not my objective, as I'm not a top suspect facing his immeadiate death (yet?). I'm just pointing out the best lead we have at hand: the objective fact that Ace admitted you are mafia.
Fact: After bumatlarge revealed the PM Ace "accidentally" sent him in, he died in the following night (Night 2). In the screenshot of the PM it was specifically mentioned that bumatlarge would die in Night 2, and KH1031 is implied to be the mafia in the PM.
The way I see it, there are a couple possibilities:
1.KH1031 is a mafia, and the mafias killed bumatlarge.
2.KH1031 is a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge.
3. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and the mafias decided to kill bumatlarge.
4. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge.
You're saying that the only way KH1031 is innocent is that this is some sort of elaborate mafia ploy. However, what you failed to include is the possibility of a vigilante responsible for the death of bumatlarge.
What bumatlarge did was dumb enough that made him suspicious - which is reasonable for vigilantes to target him.
I don't think bumatlarge was vigi'd. There were better targets than him. Yes, it is possible that bumatlarge was killed by a vigilante, but that doesn't change anything if you think about it. The fact remains that Ace (accidentally?) said that KH1031 is mafia. While it might be a mafia plan, Ace did undoubtedly say it, no matter whether bumatlarge was mafia'd or vigi'd. Ace is a good player and probably capable of devising such a plan, but I don't think that's the case here.
If somehow I die today/tonight and turns out to be non-mafia, I would suggest people to look into your post again.
Be my guest. Little of my post is personal interpretation. In large part it is pointing out hard facts.
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+ Show Spoiler +[wild speculation]
So let's suppose Ace wrote the PM to bumatlarge by accident. How'd he go about writing a PM? He'd probably select the receiver's name from the buddy list. Now suppose Ace misclicked and selected bumatlarge, when originally he intended someone else, perhaps a mafia very near to bumatlarge's name on the list.
How is the buddy list (the drop-down box when writing a PM) ordered? Alphabetically? In the order of when friends were added? My own friend list contains only 5 people and is not representative, however in my case (maybe by coincidence!), the order is as follows: user names beginning with a capital letter sorted alpabetically, then lower-case letters ordered alpabetically: A B C ... Z a b c ... z. I don't know where numbers and special characters belong.
So if names are ordered the way I think, who could be reasonably near to bumatlarge in the buddy list?
XCetron
Yogurt
ZBiR
(~OpZ~ depending on how special characters are ordered)
([GiTM]Ace depending on how special characters are ordered)
araav
aZnvaLiaNce
clazziquai
decafchicken
IF KH1031 turns out to be mafia, it is safe to assume that Ace's PM to bumatlarge was in fact an accident.
Then Ace selected the receiver's name from the Buddy List. You don't manually type in the wrong name by accident.
IF the names are ordered the way I think (Someone please confirm!)
IF Ace has all fellow mafias on his list (very likely)
Then he PROBABLY intended to select someone from among the list above
Which means that (at least) one of them is mafia.
[/wild speculation]
A lot of insecure stuff and little reasonable information, but it's better than nothing. It might be helpful later on.
EDIT:
The more I think about it, the more unreliable this appears. Just disregard this post.
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On November 09 2008 21:47 KH1031 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 21:33 Scorch wrote:
The fact remains that Ace (accidentally?) said that KH1031 is mafia. While it might be a mafia plan, Ace did undoubtedly say it, no matter whether bumatlarge was mafia'd or vigi'd. Ace is a good player and probably capable of devising such a plan, but I don't think that's the case here.
It seems like your argument hinges on the "fact" that Ace mentioned KH1031 in his PM to bumatlarge, and he was subsequently killed. I don't know what do you consider to constitute a fact. How about Ace (purposely?) said that KH1031/ KH1031 is a mafia? Is that a fact to you as well?
It is a FACT that Ace wrote the PM in which you are incriminated.
It is a FACT that this COULD BE no "accident" after all and you might be innocent.
I do THINK it was an accident though, so I voted for you.
Only the third line is a matter of personal interpretation. What's not to understand?
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On November 09 2008 22:32 ZBiR wrote:But notice that Ace wrote: it looks like he's replying to someone, no? Then if he's replying, where is the original message? And when you reply, you don't choose recipient from buddy list or whatever, he's already selected. That's why I think it's forged, in addition to the fact that Ace would make such mistake by accident. And killing bumatlarge was only supposed to lure us into his trap.
That is a very valid point and kinda makes an ass out of me. Bah. Screw it, I have to do some university work anyway. Grmbl.
PS: I no longer vote for KH1031 and abstain instead.
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Before a serious bandwagon is started against me:
Don't make a mistake by lynching me. I'm an innocent townie. I'm very active and try to be constructive and helpful. (Just like in the last game btw, I was townie there too.) There are other suspects who can't say that. Please lynch those before me, and see whether more fire clues come up in the meantime. When in doubt, leave the talkative guy alive and kill the silent one instead, who wouldn't be useful even if he was a townie.
I can offer to vote for someone that noone else votes for, so that detectives can easily check that list without wasting a role check on me. If someone else has an idea how I can clear my name, please tell me.
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MidnightGladius would be my top pick. You can find clues against him in all three day posts. And he's suspiciously quiet although he's been a top suspect since Day 1. Here's my analysis on him from Day 2:
On November 07 2008 07:01 Scorch wrote:
I hereby vote to lynch MidnightGladius.
His quote
"It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General
fits in with the clues of the first day.
Team Micro Melee: Macro - FE -> Nukes
Could fit the Nefarious Neighbor who uses nukes too.
Always ready to try out the strangest builds conceivable
Could be connected to day 2's Individual.
And I'm sure you could also find something for him being/having a gladius if you want.
As for Day 3 clues, just look up 2 posts 
Good night now. I hope I'll still be alive when I return. Otherwise, good luck town!
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I'm going to vote for someone random, so my vote list can be checked by a detective and I can hopefully clear my name:
## I vote for wurm
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Yay, another mafia frag! I'm not sure how it came to that though. Why did a detective choose to check fanatacist in the first place? I can understand why Folca investigated a strong influential player like Ace, but fanatacist seems a bit random to me.
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On November 11 2008 19:58 araav wrote:
27. Ace
28. MidnightGladius
this makes me a bit pessimistic that MG would also be red
Why? The roles being selected at random doesn't mean the same role can't occur twice for adjacent players. When you play roulette, it's not always black-red-black-red either.
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I very much like the "special fireman = man on fire" connection. As for the rest, i dunno. He's been extremely quiet in the thread though, although he made 30 posts last week elsewhere.
Should we carry on by investigating the 2/5 list now, which was verified by mikeymoo?ZBiR
Artanis[Xp]
HeRoS)Pink
Lenwe
BloodyC0bbler Artanis and BloodyC0bbler voted for separate people and can easily be checked. From among the rest, ZBiR acted a bit strangely in the thread. Might he be a bad guy? zbir is bandit in Polish btw, should it be relevant for clue interpretation.
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Maybe he's a Jack and did something else already? Anyway, I think detectives should check lists instead of individual people, that's better in the long run. Later, when detectives are scarce but clues are plentiful, I'd much rather have some lists to cross-check than a few dead mafia from the beginning and no further detective information. Speaking of which...
I vote to lynch ZBiR because he's on the 2/5 list, plays strangely, doesn't contribute much and I have no better suspect.
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