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rules question:
Mad Hatter - May lay bombs on one player per night (maximum 3). If he is killed he will throw the switch and detonate them, killing the players (if they aren't protected by extra night lives or Paramedics). He may remove any of them off players at any time in the game and if a players is killed with one on them while the Mad Hatter is still alive he loses that bomb. if the mad hatter removes a bomb from a target, does he get the bomb back, or does he just destroy it?
when do we start? i hope i don't become vanilla townie.
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On March 13 2008 18:30 Ziel wrote:Ahahahahah WOW the turnout is soooo good! This is gonna be more epic than a wow raid! when do we start?! Btw Chuiu think you forgot the rule about ppl not being able to edit their posts, even for grammar corrections. And a Q: If you're a plain towny and announce that you are one, there's no disadvantage there, yes? Since the mafia already know who all the mafias are. people were free to edit last game, but editing may look suspicious depending on the timestamp and circumstances.
you can claim to have any role you want, but nobody needs to believe you. saying you have a certain role might cast doubt on you and lead people to watch you closely. oh, and you'd better not say you are mafia
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ya, Chuiu has some serious work ahead of him. is there an assistant? or two? or three?
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ehmmm... i'm against a minimum post limit
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i don't wanna be a nuisance, but when are we starting?
regarding dapperdan's suggestion to do the voting in separate blogs where it is forbidden to post anything else: i'm against this. that would make it too easy for people to just bandwagon without giving a reason for their vote. it might work better with fewer people playing, but it's too easy to lay low in such a huge game. i know that the players are responsible for detecting burrowed lurkers, but it just might not work at a scale of 130+ players. please implement the voting method of writing ##vote XXX in this thread instead, where voters are encouraged to lay down their thoughts as to why they vote the way they do.
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On March 15 2008 23:44 Falcynn wrote:I heard we were starting Sunday. Also as for the voting system. If we do the separate blogs for voting we can make it so that every post made in their is required to be a vote, but you can still post your reasons in your post. For example... Show nested quote +On March 18 2008 8:32 SomeRandomExample wrote: If anyone cares my reason for voting this way is because blah blah blah. I vote SomeExampleRandom or It might be a nuisance having to look through all those links but it's still (imo) easier to keep track of votes and things like vote changes than looking through a huge thread to check peoples voting records. Especially considering that the way the votes are broken up will be like 1-3 actual votes for every 15 posts by some group of people arguing. i doubt that works well either, falcynn. people would then have to cross-check between multiple threads to find a certain player's thoughts on his vote. furthermore, publishing one's reasons will often provoke a discussion, which would have to take place in a different thread. it's also uncomfortable to quote from another thread. i don't think votes are much harder to track if they are placed in this thread in the ##vote format, which should be searchable quite easily.
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On March 16 2008 21:53 Bockit wrote: how long again till the start? chuiu said "tomorrow evening" (US time?), which should be in about 12 hours if i didn't screw up with those time zones.
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Damn, I had hoped to be able to cast my vote for mayor before i leave for Italy (No, i'm not mafia...yet ) for 2-3 days. Don't you guys lynch innocent people during my absence!
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Whew! I just (superficially) caught up with 60 pages worth of Teamliquid Mafia, if the bad guys slay me tonight I'm gonna be pissed. You guys seriously talk too much
I'd like to say that I'm satisfied with Ace as our Mayor. Lynching an inactive player was certainly not a completely wrong decision. The fact that it hit a Mad Hatter is, well, unpleasant, but Ace had obviously no way of knowing which role the target had. I also like Ace's strategic approach to the game, which was completely missing in the first game. It appears the efforts to build up a resistance group of Bodyguards are working out, and also the Detectives are joining in.
I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who?
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Even in case you don't trust Ace, vanilla townies should send a "Hi, I'm a plain towny" PM to him. It can be considered a defensive measure. Mafia aren't interested too much in plain townies, but primarily they want to slay blue ones. Telling the mafia that you are green makes you a low priority target. This isn't to say that blue townies should lie and claim to be green of course.
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On March 21 2008 04:43 Fishball wrote: Like I said, Day hasn't even come yet, nor did any Detectives are able to check Ace yet. It's kinda pointless having arguments when things didn't even happen yet. Detectives ARE able to check Ace already. There's no timing restriction in the OP:
Detective - You have three abilities you may use. You have the ability to ask me, once per day/night cycle, whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person and get a yes/no answer. You have the ability to, twice a game, ask me what role a specific person has. And for the last ability you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person (cannot use this on mayor election). You may only use one ability per day. The fact that no Detective has yet stood up yet claiming to have found Ace a mafia member indicates that, in fact, Ace is townie.
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On March 21 2008 05:15 Ziel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 04:57 Scorch wrote:On March 21 2008 04:43 Fishball wrote: Like I said, Day hasn't even come yet, nor did any Detectives are able to check Ace yet. It's kinda pointless having arguments when things didn't even happen yet. Detectives ARE able to check Ace already. There's no timing restriction in the OP: Detective - You have three abilities you may use. You have the ability to ask me, once per day/night cycle, whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person and get a yes/no answer. You have the ability to, twice a game, ask me what role a specific person has. And for the last ability you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person (cannot use this on mayor election). You may only use one ability per day. The fact that no Detective has yet stood up yet claiming to have found Ace a mafia member indicates that, in fact, Ace is townie. O rly? What if they havent had the time to post yet or somein? Like inControl? That would plain suck ay.
I didn't say it is a proof, just an indication. If i was a Detective, I'd warn the public as soon as possible to prevent blues from reporting to Ace. So don't worry too much. It's been some time already, but feel free to wait a bit longer if you want.
On March 21 2008 05:39 clazziquai wrote: Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him?
Don't forget that Ace could simply be lying about having been roleblocked. I don't think so though. I can't quickly think of a scenario where Ace could profit from this lie if he was mafia. And I'm sure he knows that townies shouldn't lie either.
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On March 21 2008 06:36 HeRoS)Pink wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 06:33 French_Toast wrote:On March 21 2008 06:22 CDRdude wrote:On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote: Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. Perhaps you didn't see what happened in the last game; it was a worse rape than the OSL finals. The town needs to get it's act together this time, and start making a comeback. Also, the plan isn't that bad. It gives a known townie information, which always helps, and he can use that to reduce the odds of hitting town instead of mafia. I saw perfectly what happened. However this time people are no longer n00bs and are really into it. If you read some of the posts, some people claimed to have spreadsheets of people's names, sigs, possible themes, who they accuse, and who they voted for. The town doesn't need a cheap-ass strategy like this one. This game is supposed to be about fun, not just winning. Same thing with chess, there is a strategy called fools-mate that allows you to win in like three turns. However, most people would rather play an actual game then to fool their opponent into losing so quickly. The reason? It's a game, it's supposed to be fun and challenging. I agree, this game is all about challenge, it isnt a game about Lets ALL play with our roles revealed so that we can Kill mafia Easly, thats what is happening atm. people thinking that way (theres a shit load of poeple wanting this) should just not play as simple as that. May I remind you two that there is no safe way of revealing one's role? People can just lie without easily being noticed, you know? Ace's strategy is forcing mafia to do just that: lie. Town is far from winning. It's just one step in building up information and spotting contratictions to hopefully catch a couple of mafia in the end. How can you come to the conclusion that this strategy is cheap?
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if you don't want to play with a strategy (revealing roles to the mayor), but not without a strategy (random) either, then i don't think this is a game for you.
if you have a plan you deem fun and promising, please enlighten us. just because we are carrying out a certain plan at the moment, that doesn't mean we can't try a different approach at the same time.
edit: man, i'm writing too slowly. this was directed at HeRoS)Pink.
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On March 21 2008 07:19 Kau wrote: So HeroesPink and FrenchToast, how do you propose we play the game? It's far easier to rant than to make a constructive suggestion. Same goes for Showtime!. You guys may not necessarily be mafia, but you certainly don't bring us closer to victory either.
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Some nice clues were unearthed while I was asleep. They are all quite obscure and far-fetched though, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Let's wait for sunrise (any estimation when that will be?), then we'll have much more information to work with. If then a second clue points to a certain player, that yields much harder evidence.
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ok, here come my suspicions, based on the latest clues: ____________________________________________
Hittegods Quote : This street violence, pure self defiance a considerable portion of the day post deals with a street brawl. i consider this quite a solid connection to Hittegods. ___
HotZhot Quote : I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever since he likes the dark, he might be mr. blonde: coming out of nowhere, and turning off the light to drop onto Mynock. ___
Lysithea Quote : "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." - Muhammad Ali this too could be a reference to the drop attack on Mynock from the ceiling. ___
~OpZ~ Quote : Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex another one, probably a bit more solid than lysithea's. ___
decafchicken Quote : how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy? "...Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot." well, a weak one. ___
AmorVincitOmnia Quote : brown skin woman you a queen he could be Mr. Brown or King Brown Snake. ___
d.arkive Quote : "Refrigerator. Refrigerator, damn you. Refrigerator."~Spiritofthetuna, speaking in Haiku after losing because Mynock went to get something from the fridge. notice that this could also cast suspicion on SpiritOfTheTuna. ___
Ghar Quote : All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time Yogurt and OneBlueAugust are intercepted by 4 men, one for every direction mentioned in Ghar's quote. plus the two townies aren't afraid to take on a whole army, another fitting reference to this signature. ___
ShadowDrgn he could be Mr. Blonde based on his name: coming out of the shadow, and doing a flying attack like a dragon. someone else mentioned this already. ___
L Quote : :D he could have placed the smilie in exchange for the shotgun. the smilie clue is quite bizarre already, and it probably wouldn't have been given if it was possible to find an easier clue to a certain mafia. now think about what clues you would give towards L, who has a one-letter name and a meaningless signature. _________________________________________________
for me, the strongest suspicion goes, in order, towards: 1. Hittegods 2. Ghar 3. L i will therefore cast my vote to lynch Hittegods in the voting thread.
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i like your character analysis, Plexa. it shows you really put thought into this. but i don't know if this works out. Chuiu would have to have designed almost complete character profiles (one for each mafia) before the start of the game. while this might be possible, i think it is too much work even for our crazy workhorse Chuiu. plus, he wouldn't easily be able to reflect a mafia's posting/acting behaviour during the game, and everything would screw up when a mafia changes his signature. doing clues more or less spontaneously on a day-per-day basis yields much more flexibility.
i'm not sure if a 1:1 mapping of names in clues to mafia members exists. my doubt is being supported by xDark.Carnivalx's list of mafia names containing 17 names of mafias mentioned in the clues so far, whereas we have 20 mafias playing the game.
my list of possible suspects has no intersection with yours at all because we use completely different interpretation methods. maybe i do stuff too superficially, but it might also be that you think too complex.
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true dat. if i think about it, my last post comes around quite naive. it's highly probable that there is a clue name for each mafia player. what i meant to say was: while you try to find character traits and features for mafias, i search for things they actually DO, and words in the clue text that hint towards them. please just continue your way, you just might convince me in the future my top suspects for now remain Hittegods, Ghar and L. see if you can find something against them.
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thanks L for pointing out Ghar's mayor campaigning picture. he was second on my suspect list before, and now he has taken the clear lead. i am going to change my vote to Ghar.
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On March 23 2008 06:45 Wysp wrote: I took a hit last night. good, you saved another townie's life.
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it was rounded down in the last game. it probably works the same way this round. Chuiu, could you confirm this?
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On March 23 2008 07:11 Wysp wrote: Are we sure Ace isn't Mafia? If someone could link me to a page that explains why he isn't that would be great. he is clean almost certainly. part of his strategic plan was to have all detectives check his role, and if noone would stand up denouncing him, he could be considered townie. it's been quite some time already and noone claimed to have spied on ace and found him mafia. i'm about 90% convinced of Ace's innocence at the moment.
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i will not retract my vote for Ghar yet. i'm 80% convinced of his guilt, and even if he's inactive, it's still a mafia kill. my vote will remain until Ace rationally convinces me of a better target and explains to me his reasoning. post or PM me your strategic plan and i may comply. i trust and support you, but not blindly.
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On March 23 2008 12:33 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2008 12:21 Falcynn wrote:On March 23 2008 12:15 Ace wrote: Also, I'm asking everyone that has voted so far to withdraw your votes.
I'll be leaving sometime soon, but a Mafia member is getting lynched today for sure unless someone messes up.
Wait...I'm confused, does this mean that you want us to retract our votes from Ghar? I'm asking because that second part makes it sound like we're voting correctly, but you're telling us to withdraw... I'm asking everyone retract votes because when the suspect is confirmed, I want everyone to vote the exact same. And I don't want Ghar to be even near the chopping block and get lynched because people "forgot to sign on in time to change their vote". do i interpret this correctly? you have a detective confirming someone's guilt? and you believe Ghar is innocent? then what prevents you from telling us right away who we should lynch?
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i don't think Ghar being unavailable for the night vote is relevant. he would certainly value his real-life appointments higher than this game anyway, mafia or not. or maybe i misunderstand something.
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i really hope Mandalor is your renegade detective, not just inactive. it's a high risk you are taking, Ace. i will vote for mandalor anyway.
edit: it seems mandalor's guilt was confirmed while i was typing. disregard my post then.
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by the way, in Chuiu's latest tally, Ace's vote for Mandalor only counts for a single vote instead of six. this confirms that Ace told the truth and was indeed roleblocked.
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On March 24 2008 07:04 GeneralStan wrote: How can we even be sure Ace isn't mafia? how often does this question need to be answered? no detective stood up against him after checking his role, so he is 98% innocent.
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On March 24 2008 07:37 French_Toast wrote: Speaking of which, why do we have to lynch people. Instead of voting only for the person we should also vote for that way we kill them. We could maybe shoot them in the head, inject them with some crap, chop their head off with a guillotine... etc. Night posts would be so much more interesting if we had a creative way of killing people. i demand the traitor be crunched to death by a rabid horde of naked fat women :D
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don't go after pink and toast for the sole reason of them acting like dicks. we have no hard convincing evidence at hand against either of the two (yet). i'd rather kill mafias than annoying townies. i'd send a vigilante after ghar and then wait for the next clues.
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i don't think it's necessary to construct any more far-fetched clues against ghar. we have serious evidence against him already.
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what i'm saying is that he is considered guilty by many people already anyway. for my part, i don't need any more material to want him dead. good night now, 1:30am here.
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nice one. follow the leader!
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1/7 for Ghar and 10/58 for Mandalor isn't much out of proportion. i'm afraid this doesn't help us much, unless Ace knows a large portion of the voters to be sure townies.
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On March 25 2008 01:18 Ace wrote:UpdateI got some interesting information about centering around Mandalor's death. Check this out: Show nested quote + ### Mandalor Germany. March 24 2008 03:15. Posts 1164 PM Profile Blog Quote I abstain as well. ###
### Ace United States. March 24 2008 06:21. Posts 1938 PM Profile Quote well then how about this.
Everyone vote for Mandalor to be lynched. ###
I revealed this at 6:21 on March 24th. Smurfingchobo already voted for Mandalor on the 23rd. If he's mafia, then the mafia's game plan might be to vote against each other.
### smurfingchobo March 23 2008 20:45. Posts 527 PM Profile Quote I change my vote from abstain to Mandalor. ###
I thought that was an interesting vote (a day before) because no one had mentioned him as a suspect, and I couldn't find any clues leading to him.
To sum up, basically smurfingchobo voted on Mandalor way before I even brought him up. This is odd because even when we knew Mandalor was Mafia, we couldn't even find a single clue that implicated him. What do you guys think about this? Someone did some nice work this is suspicious indeed. but then again, is there any clue evidence against smurfingchobo?
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plus veterans have no active abilities to prove their role. thus, a mafia infiltrator isn't in danger of blowing his cover by failing to complete a certain task.
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i don't like this. i can't see any clues pointing towards wurm. i'm blackmailed to vote against wurm anyway because i'm in the first half of voters against mandalor. this sucks.
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would be interesting to hear who the other medics are. maybe one of them has more evidence against 'em. but of course we can't just release a list of medics for the mafia to assassinate.
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On March 26 2008 03:03 qrs wrote: I don't think there is a strong enough case to lynch wurm over Ghar. As far as leaving him to die, does anyone think the Mafia will kill him if they know that we will lynch him tomorrow? We don't need to lynch wurm over Ghar, we can kill both. Ace isn't roleblocked tomorrow, so he can announce a double lynch. Wurm is dead for sure. Mafia will probably not kill him tonight to cast further suspicion on him. It looks as if he will be lynched tomorrow, and if not and he is townie, mafia can still murder him next night.
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Ace himself said that he doesn't care about clues, but behaviour exclusively
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On March 26 2008 17:56 Alethios wrote: As i've said, I don't believe you are mafia... but you COULD be.
->All it takes is for you to be a regular cultist. Detectives look at you, return nothing and thus don't speak out. i don't believe it works that way. i definitely think asking Chuiu about a vanilla mafia's role would yield "plain mafia", not "no special role". what would be the point of the ability otherwise? i think Chuiu would have warned us after the detective plan was presented if the detective ability worked this way.
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whoever it is, showtime should mind his manners, if he has any. he has been annoying for a long time already, and now he's starting to be rude too.
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would it really be a problem to say those things in a civilized way? you know, it doesn't make your point any stronger if you call someone a dumbass.
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well maybe he'll be banned once he is dead or the game is over, who knows? he has sufficiently showed what a immature, primitive character he is.
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don't tell me you would have killed wurm this night if you were mafia. it was obvious way before the end of the night that wurm will be lynched today. why would they waste their own killing power when they could just sit and wait for the town to do the dirty work? this makes the town waste a lynch, and possibly weakens the mayor's position should wurm turn out to be innocent. if it doesn't happen, they can always kill him any night after that, and maybe even blow up multiple medics at once with the suicide bomber.
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now are we lynching wurm? yes? there you have it. it wouldn't have been a large cost for the mafia to target him with 1 power (and they can still always do that later!). it is a very large cost for the town to waste a lynch however. a good trade for the bad guys.
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i'd rather kill a mafia than an individualist. as i read your posts, you aren't 100% convinced of wurm's guilt, right? i'm under the impression that you want to make an example of wurm, not to stand up against this... regime. how about we concentrate on clues and information that every townie has, not only your elite circle of "confirmed" innocents, to find actual mafias? of course wurm could be a mafioso, but i'm far from believing that considering the lack of clues in day posts.
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On March 28 2008 01:58 araav wrote:the only problem with wurm for me till now is his "GL town" thing btw, the Shotime thing is not clear to me, why on earth would the fucktard like him be protected? Does he have a special role? dunno, it's better to waste a detective check than a lynch ANYWAY. showtime sure acts like he is the king of the world, and claims to know a lot, so he is probably in close contact with Ace due to an alleged power role. this doesn't mean he's legit though. if he knew beforehand that lucas protected him (which i don't know), he could just say that he was hit although he wasn't because he is a mafia. if people believed him, that would cement him as an innocent. i have no idea how likely this is, but i don't think it can be absolutely ruled out.
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On March 28 2008 02:11 Ace wrote: Scorch: Lucas PM'd me telling me Showtime got hit.
Lucas was a medic, confirmed through death. Why would he lie? i missed the part in the OP where it says the protecting medic is informed too. disregard my post then, sorry.
i vote for A), use a role check on wurm. relatively low cost, possible high reward of not wasting a precious lynch on a townie. and if wurm fails the detective test, noone will argue against lynching him.
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oh, the drama!
1) when (time stamp) did lucas send the medic confirmation pm to ace? if it was after the day post, lucas was definitely dead at that point and his action was against the rules. did he actually pm that chuiu told him that he had successfully saved showtime, or did lucas only say that he was going to protect showtime? in the second case, showtime might not actually have been hit.
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On March 28 2008 12:17 Showtime! wrote: i'm basically the only one who isn't going by my tl.net name but it is pwed now and shit. On top of that it was very well hidden or so believed. do i understand this right? you had an external chatroom without password protection and only pw'ed it after the incident? then it shouldn't come as a surprise that someone just walked in.
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On March 28 2008 17:41 wurm wrote:lol. YEAH! game continues. Lay down the law Chuiu. well, my vote is down for Showtime. Anybody else wanna follow suit? i'm tempted to do so based on his mannerisms, but that would be childish.
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On March 28 2008 23:04 Showtime! wrote:Lucas got killed last night. If you look on the first page you'll notice he was a paramedic. Chuiu sends every player a PM saying whether or not you took a hit last night and a paramedic saved you. He's a blue. We only sent out one vig. last night against shadowdrgn. :. it is impossible for me and lucas to be mafia how about this: either lucas broke the game rules (telling ace that he saved showtime after his own death), or he didn't say anything on whether or not he successfully protected anyone, or showtime is lying and wasn't actually hit.
I call bullshit on araav I would have not brought this up if he the dick didn't try to pull such a bullheaded move. We have the logs. I haven't left and besides that yes it was well-hidden now get your heads out of your asses and araav smarten up. show me those logs and i will vote to lynch araav, even though araav invading the chatroom doesn't mean he is mafia.
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then what is araav's role? is he mafia?
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i'm quite sure they are aware of that possibility. but still, with only 3 detective actions per day, not everybody can be checked.
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Damnit! I was really convinced of Ghar being mafia. Not surprised to see that wurm was indeed a medic though.
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Blame Showtime!
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Showtime! and a mafia are dead, and i live. Hurray! The loss of two detectives hurts a lot though. We're really running out of sources of information with only one jack and one detective remaining. I hope Empyrean and New104 told Ace their revelations before they died. Now let's kill another mafia to reduce their killing power! Edit: Do we have a double lynch available today or was Ace roleblocked?
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I thought he was a veteran, making himself a target for the mafia and thus wasting their killing power which they would otherwise use on more profitable targets.
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ok, now to analyze some clues. let's see what i can find. this is just stuff that quickly caught my eye, some superficial links to people's profiles using the list at http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=20#385 . i have yet to look deeper and see how this fits with the mafia character profiles and clues from earlier days. most of these are only wild accusations which aren't based on much.
On April 03 2008 15:33 Chuiu wrote: Along the way he noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. "Stop right there, you're under arrest for suspicion of murder" he called out, knowing he didn't really have the means to detain the man but would certainly try his best. Enigma grinned back at him and motioned someone to come to him. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean. Candidates for Enigma: HotZhot could be Enigma smiling back, according to his signature. Weak clue. Caller could be Enigma "calling" his friends over to help him. Weak clue. Unfogiven_ve could be smiling Enigma due to his smilie signature. Weak clue. KorvspaD could be Enigma being fond of his friends (signature: "a friend with weed is a friend indeed..."). Medium clue. BuGzIToOnI could be Enigma who loves his friends because of his signature. Weak clue.
Candidates for Taipan Snake: str could be Taipan Snake grilling his prey with electrical power. Weak clue. Zeks could be Taipan Snake. His signature reminds me of an unresponsible policeman abusing his power to kill a guy with a tazer (with electrical power). Medium clue. HotZhot could be Taipan Snake, "frying" Empyrean with the great heat signaled by HotZhot's name. Weak clue. Energies' name relates to the tazer gun. Medium to strong clue, but maybe too obvious.
New104 got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. As he was bending over to take a closer look Cottonmouth approached from behind and stabbed a nail into his back. He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab six more nails into him. New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there. New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself. He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later. Candidates for Cottonmouth: RtS)Night[Mare could be Cottonmouth placing 5 nails, then stabbing him with 6 more. Nightmare was born on the 5th of June(6). Very weak clue, but maybe smart and obscure enough to be a strong clue? There are a couple more possible combinations of numbers in this paragraph, this was just the one i stumbled upon. ulszz's signature indicates that he is a noob (at throwing nails) and needs reminding (by The Wolf), so he could be Cottonmouth. Medium clue. Eti307's could be Cottonmouth. signature: "A person who never made a mistake (missing a lot of nail throws) never tried anyething new (trying to kill someone with nails)". Plus the numbers could point at his name: stabbing the victim with 1+6=7 nails, then throwing 3 more, 0 of which hit the target. Medium clue plus a weak one. LostYourSkills could be Cottonmouth, having lost all his nail throwing skills and thus missing thrice. Medium clue. suresh0t could be Cottonmouth using nails because he wields a hammer in his profile pic. who else would kill with nails? Strong clue.
Candidates for The Wolf: SoMuchBetter because The Wolf does the nail throwing "so much better" than the other mafia. Medium clue. suresh0t because The Wolf kills with one sure shot. Medium clue. HotZhot for the same reason, HotShot being the same as a SureShot. Medium clue. LostYourSkills' signature indicates that he is very skilled, like The Wolf. Medium clue.
Later that night Winston was hot on the trail of Kau, who he had chased out of a dark alley. Kau assumed he had encroached on the wrong territory as he was doing some freelance investigating of his own. He ran down another dark alley in effort to lose Winston and opted to try to blend in with a pile of garbage. Winston flipped on his flash light and scanned around the alley, seeing no one, he took a slow pace as he moved down it. He was just about to the end when he noticed Kau. He had a clear shot and took it, firing off a couple rounds he quickly ended Kau's life. Winston seems to be a vigilante, no need to investigate this.
It was later yet and dawn was approaching, Queasy was stumbling home and leaving a trail of puke with him. Down the street Showtime! was spray painting graffiti all over the walls of the government buildings like you would expect lowlifes to do. He noticed Queasy approaching and saw how completely out of it the man was. He decided to have some fun and started spray painting Queasy's back as he walked by. Well Queasy wasn't as bad as Showtime! had thought and he spun around quick as the wind and landed a punch square in Showtime!'s right eye knocking him out. An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! strait through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it. Ordell was running from across the street after seeing what just happened. He tackled Queasy to the ground and with little trouble got up right away. He removed the knife from Showtime!'s corpse as he inspected it, a towny he thought to himself. He slashed Queasy's right shoulder as he was trying to get up and then kicked it to flip him around. "Lets see how you like it" he said as he stabbed Queasy through the heart, ending his life and a long night for the town of Liquidia. same here, Ordell is a vigilante and Queasy is dead now anyway. notice how Queasy was drunk and puking again, fitting the profile of the Sidewinder codename.
if i had to choose now, i'd go with lynching suresh0t. let's see what you other guys come up with.
Edit: forgot Energies as a Taipan Snake suspect.
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On April 04 2008 00:29 ~OpZ~ wrote: .....Well...Safe to say arraav is mafia...Lol....
atleast, if any of those people were in the channel when he came on it. i think there would have been a couple more blue kills if that was the case.
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On April 04 2008 14:19 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: im going with plexas rather than scorch's. His analysis is way more detailed and usually has a pretty good aim at hitting mafias that's ok by me. my clue interpretations weren't meant to be in-depth. i had hoped an overlap would occur between my stuff and plexa's, but it didn't. so i will go with plexa's find of d.arkive. i'm not fully convinced, but it looks like a nice plausible link, a connection that chuiu would likely build into the clues. thanks for your work plexa!
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regarding araav's case, Showtime! told me in a PM that araav is a plain townie after the "hacking" incident:
araav = a stupid townie i have no way of knowing if this is true, considering showtime's generally strange behavior. on the other hand, he turned up townie after his death, so he probably wouldn't have a reason to lie. i suspect araav was detective role-checked as was stated in the thread and turned out to be green. furthermore, there aren't any hard clues against araav. so i suggest we leave him alone. note that this PM came long before Showtime's death, so nothing of this is against the rules.
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On April 04 2008 19:45 Plexa wrote: so yea that brings the suspect list to:
d.arkive suresh0t Hotzhot SoMuchBetter MTF i would even agree with this exact order you rock plexa.
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hmmm...
if d.arkive and MTF are innocent, that greatly shortens our suspect list. who would be next in the ranking? suresh0t? i'm really not convinced of his guilt, or anyone else's, for that matter.
this sucks. i'm kinda clueless at the moment. seems we got our profiling wrong
as for these 1/6 guys, i don't see much clue evidence against any of them, which doesn't make our task easier either.
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On April 07 2008 15:16 MidnightGladius wrote:Cross-referencing some lists: + Show Spoiler +Confirmed Innocent: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler Ghar - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey. Ace - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~ Evilmonkey. Here, the following coincide in the two lists: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie Whereas these occur once: Chezinu useLess aZnvaLiaNce fusionsdf Of these, the following can easily be count-checked: fusionsdf (only one voting for Ace) Chezinu (only one voting for Ninja4ever) --- aZnvaLiaNce voted for TranceStorm with 13 others, so that's a dead end for now. Abstentions: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie useLess Do with this what you will.
I'd like to emphasize this once more:
We have the following certain information: EITHER one out of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenie is mafia, OR two out of - Chezinu - useLess - aZnvaLiaNce - fusionsdf are mafia. From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia.
At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys!
My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling.
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On April 07 2008 17:15 araav wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2008 17:04 Scorch wrote:On April 07 2008 15:16 MidnightGladius wrote:Cross-referencing some lists: + Show Spoiler +Confirmed Innocent: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler Ghar - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey. Ace - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~ Evilmonkey. Here, the following coincide in the two lists: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie Whereas these occur once: Chezinu useLess aZnvaLiaNce fusionsdf Of these, the following can easily be count-checked: fusionsdf (only one voting for Ace) Chezinu (only one voting for Ninja4ever) --- aZnvaLiaNce voted for TranceStorm with 13 others, so that's a dead end for now. Abstentions: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie useLess Do with this what you will. I'd like to emphasize this once more: We have the following certain information: EITHER one out of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenieis mafia, OR two out of - Chezinu - useLess - aZnvaLiaNce - fusionsdfare mafia. From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia. At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys! My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling. I wasn't following recently to the developments. Can sb summarize how these lists came? Especially the relation between the two lists... Is the second list the one derived from the Ghar's list that Ace divided? Will try to catch up later. Btw, if you are correct and two of 4 are certain mafia from the second list, then i propose 4 vigis cooperate with Ace and each take one of those... two mafia for two townies is a very good deal indeed. One list is the voters for Ghar on day 2, the second list consists of who voted for Ace on day 3. The list of innocents comes from Ace, i think it was compiled in cooperation with New104 (dead detective). If these premises are correct, then my reasoning should be sound. Remember though that it's either 2/4 or 1/3. So we have one or two mafias among seven suspects.
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On April 05 2008 03:56 (Page 186) Ace wrote: I also got another set of info confirming that these people are all innocent:
MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler Maybe I missed it within the depths of this monster thread, but could Ace please explain where this "other set of info" comes from? Is this credible information? If it is not, my whole reasoning crumbles like a house of cards.
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On April 07 2008 23:11 MasterOfChaos wrote: Currently we have 20/110=18% evil among us. So lynching from a group where the DT returned that about 1/5th=20% is mafia does not help. We should devise some plan to make sure the mafia cannot easily adjust the evil percentage on all votegroups to ~20%. One way the achieve this is dictatorship of a confirmed good person. But that course takes out fun for all other townies, because they can no longer vote for themselves. Wrong. We started at 20/130=15.4% mafia. At the moment, 90 townies and 18 mafia are still alive, which gives 18/108=16.7% mafia. Mafia managed to shift the percentage a bit to their advantage, but after the next kill they will have less killing power. The longer the game goes, the more information becomes available. So i think town is on a good way to victory. And the confirmed town-aligned leader would be our mayor, Ace.
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On April 08 2008 01:12 MTF wrote: One of the ways we could approach this is similar to what Ace devised earlier, splitting a vote into two groups.
Just take the confirmed innocents and have them all abstain/vote for a specific suspicious person, while the rest are split into several groups to vote for other specific people, then have DT check the lists.
In this manner, we know how many active voters = mafia and how many inactive are, and if we get very lucky, we could possibly get a slightly more significant number into a single list to narrow down the percentage of error. The problem with this being that there is only a single detective left.
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confirmed innocents: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler
On April 08 2008 13:45 Ace wrote: TranceStorm - 13 aZnvaLiaNce MTF BloodyC0bbler Meta rpf L bumatlarge smurfingchobo MidnightGladius Lenwe unsoundlogic Hittegods GranDim
1 of these people are Mafia
MTF rpf bumatlarge smurfingchobo MidnightGladius unsoundlogic
This would be my final list, but I'm mainly looking at bumatlarge because of that other clue from day 3 was it? The "bum" clue.
This doesn't match up really. If MTF was confirmed innocent earlier, why is he on the top suspect list? Bumatlarge is probably innocent: the "bum" clue (codename: Sidewinder) was most likely linked to Queasy. See Plexa's post on page 184.
All of this leaves us with very uncertain information and a less than average percentage of mafia in this subset (1/11 if you consider MTF and BloodyC0bbler innocent), which isn't helping us much. I suggest we take our investigations in another direction.
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Because you are also on the list of seven suspects outlined earlier.
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On April 06 2008 10:41 fusionsdf wrote: I'm the only suspect about to provide lots of clues. Let me go tonight. If what I provide isnt good enough, you can always lynch me next time. Is this the revolutionary, mind-bogglingly important stuff you announced to be going to post towards the end of the night to cleanse yourself from suspicion? Is that all? I'm afraid that's not convincing enough for me by far. I found it questionable already why you would withhold information available to you for later. Let me tell you that you're not out of the question for me at all.
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I would change my approach too if i had died so quickly the last time Anyone know when day is coming?
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LOOK AT THIS PEOPLE!
On April 05 2008 03:52 Ace wrote: hmm ok. Chew on this for a while:
Empyrean was roleblocked yesterday. I'm roleblocked today.
From: New104 Subject: Re: Detective Ability Date: 4/2/08 03:13 1.
----------------------------------------- Original Message: How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3?
old message:
MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler
are all confirmed innocent
Ace is either incompetent at copy-pasting, or telling us bullshit intentionally. New104 was confirmed innocent by his death and had no reason to lie, so there's definitely something fishy going on. It should be apparent by now that too many blues are dying, and maybe, just maybe, Ace is the reason for this. There is a leak of information somewhere 100%. How else would the mafia know who the last detective is and even use their suicide bomber on him?
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On April 10 2008 17:00 Ace wrote: New104 didnt send me that "confirmed Innocent" list.
I also thought that it was fishy when I got the list how they were "confirmed".
Thanks for pointing that out because if thats the case and the person lied we REALLY got screwed. Then who did? Whoever first brought up this manipulated list is your mafia.
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Ask him where he got this list from, and if his explanation isn't absolutely credible, reveal his name for us to lynch him. Since the mafia seems to know almost everything anyway, i don't think it is crucial to keep many secrets.
By the way, why didn't you have one or multiple medics protect your last detective? They would have died to the suicide bomber, so in retrospect it is lucky you didn't, but how could you risk the lone detective's life this easily?
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So between this list + Show Spoiler +bumatlarge - 11 MTF d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa fanatacist Eti307(2) Empyrean JoxxOr(2) Romance_us(2) BloodyC0bbler(2) Scorch(2) and this list + Show Spoiler +MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ fanatacist NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler he added SpiritoftheTuna, ~OpZ~ and NatsuTerran, and removed my name from the list. What was his motive to do that? Could it be to protect Tuna, OpZ and Natsu because they are fellow mafias, and avoid protecting me because I am an active townie? So many questions...
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Nice find LTT! So apparently the traitor didn't even look into the thread properly. What a noob, and still we didn't catch it! (Well, Ace did.) The most obvious reason would be that the list contains mafias which he wanted to protect from lynching by telling the town that they were confirmed innocents. You see it worked. Plexa had figured out d.arkive as mafia (kudos to him!), but we couldn't lynch him once the forged list appeared. All of this wouldn't have been unearthed if d.arkive had not blown himself up, we would have continued to believe it blindly. I understand that Ace is furious about inactives. Had the second real Jack reported to him, there would have been a conflict much earlier and all of this wouldn't have happened.
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On April 10 2008 20:41 Plexa wrote: ROFL SUP MOTHERFUCKERS D.ARKIVE WAS MAFIA OMYGOD IM GOOD?
yo town, im on to some serious shit ya know what im saying?!
i got hit, TWICE and lived
motherfuckers
die you mafia scum shit fuck
double lynch time to mop the floor ok phat respect to my main man plexa from da hood! he's da smoothest homie y'all!
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Dear Plexa, You, sir, are a damn freak.
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!!! IMPORTANT !!!
On April 07 2008 17:04 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2008 15:16 MidnightGladius wrote:Cross-referencing some lists: + Show Spoiler +Confirmed Innocent: incorrect list forged by mafia!MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler Ghar - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey. Ace - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~ <-- not necessarily innocent any more Evilmonkey. Here, the following coincide in the two lists: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie Whereas these occur once: Chezinu useLess aZnvaLiaNce fusionsdf Of these, the following can easily be count-checked: fusionsdf (only one voting for Ace) Chezinu (only one voting for Ninja4ever) --- aZnvaLiaNce voted for TranceStorm with 13 others, so that's a dead end for now. Abstentions: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie useLess Do with this what you will. I'd like to emphasize this once more: We have the following certain information: EITHER one out of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenieis mafia, OR two out of - Chezinu - useLess - aZnvaLiaNce - fusionsdfare mafia. From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia. At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys! My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling. It's nice of you to consider my conclusions and all, but this is not correct any more! I thought I had already made it clear that my list was based on the list of "confirmed" innocents, which turned out to be fake. We can thus ignore the list of innocents, which adds ~OpZ~ to the picture.
It is therefore now:
(Exactly one out of imDerek | Evilmonkey | Alventenie)
OR
(Exactly one out of Chezinu | fusionsdf | ~OpZ~) AND (Exactly one out of useLess | aZnvaLiaNce)
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On April 11 2008 14:17 Ace wrote: Ok here's what we know about last night for sure - EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POST
Mafia Kill List for Night 4
1.)Hittegods 2.)xDark.Carnivalx 3.)Lenwe (protected once) - Medic #1 4.)Lenwe 5.)Caller 6.)Meta
All of these were legit - now here's something interesting.
7.) Plexa (protected) Medic2 8.)Plexa (protected) Medic3 9.) Plexa (protected again) Medic4 (not confirmed yet) 10.) Jack (I told him to put vet status on) took 1 hit 11.) Jack (protected) Medic 5
or 10 +11 is true. Either way something is wrong.
This is all based on the Night Kills + info I got from medics and the Jack. As you can see, something does NOT add up. How could Plexa be protected 3 times and the Jack get hit as a vet and saved?
Plexa how many hits were you informed about taking last night? I find this to be very relevant. The Jack already forged a list of "innocent" townies. Now he is involved in this conflicting case. I trust Plexa much much more than someone who claimed a role, has access to a list of rolled people who are now dead, forged an incorrect list of innocents, and now is involved in an incident of conflicting numbers. What, the medic protecting the Jack would have to be lying too? No problem! There is an impostor among the medics, which is why we lynched wurm in the first place. Doesn't all of this add up wonderfully? Unless I overlooked something grave - Ace, I demand you publish the Jack's name for us to lynch him. If the Jack is mafia, as I suspect, we catch the lying medic as well.
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On April 11 2008 17:15 Scorch wrote:!!! IMPORTANT !!!Show nested quote +On April 07 2008 17:04 Scorch wrote:On April 07 2008 15:16 MidnightGladius wrote:Cross-referencing some lists: + Show Spoiler +Confirmed Innocent: incorrect list forged by mafia!MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler Ghar - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey. Ace - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~ <-- not necessarily innocent any more Evilmonkey. Here, the following coincide in the two lists: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie Whereas these occur once: Chezinu useLess aZnvaLiaNce fusionsdf Of these, the following can easily be count-checked: fusionsdf (only one voting for Ace) Chezinu (only one voting for Ninja4ever) --- aZnvaLiaNce voted for TranceStorm with 13 others, so that's a dead end for now. Abstentions: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie useLess Do with this what you will. I'd like to emphasize this once more: We have the following certain information: EITHER one out of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenieis mafia, OR two out of - Chezinu - useLess - aZnvaLiaNce - fusionsdfare mafia. From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia. At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys! My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling. It's nice of you to consider my conclusions and all, but this is not correct any more! I thought I had already made it clear that my list was based on the list of "confirmed" innocents, which turned out to be fake. We can thus ignore the list of innocents, which adds ~OpZ~ to the picture. It is therefore now: (Exactly one out of imDerek | Evilmonkey | Alventenie) OR (Exactly one out of Chezinu | fusionsdf | ~OpZ~) AND (Exactly one out of useLess | aZnvaLiaNce) Since Evilmonkey is revealed mafia, that means that- imDerek
- Alventenie
- fusionsdf
- ~OpZ~
- useLess
- aZnvaLiaNce
are all confirmed innocent. This time by logic, not by a forged list. Go town!
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On April 12 2008 18:29 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: Now, the question: What's next? What list do we follow now? We won't get any new lists because all detectives are dead and the single "real" Jack is probably inactive. This means we'll have to rely on clues and profiling almost exclusively. Let's see what new information the day post brings.
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On April 12 2008 23:00 MTF wrote:L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty. Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] +Original Message: hi!
i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning:
"All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time."
this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing.
now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits...
Traits - Seems to be well composed - Not phased by death, (necessary change?) - Able fighter (- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)
... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well.
furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly.
and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well. . Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall. Looking into others... That PM came from me. It appears you think that makes me mafia. It does not.
First, read again what I wrote and tell me what of that is complete made-up bullshit. With the knowledge we had at that point, I think it all made sense. I just wrote what I thought was the truth. Second, had I wanted to start a bandwagon, I would've posted this in the thread instead of in a PM. I posted this privately because I wanted Plexa's opinion on my thoughts. Third, you'll have to admint that there really was a lot of plausible evidence against Ghar (especially that picture), which made 30 people believe he was guilty. I was not the only one who thought he was mafia.
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You are certainly aware of the fact that it is easy to twist numbers in a way to find almost any result you are looking for. I think the 42 / 44 thing was merely a coincidence and I wouldn't want to rely on something like that for lynching. Especially since Chuiu could certainly find better clues for a name like MasterOfChaos. I'd understand it if he used this clue pattern for someone like ZBiR, fgsvsd, KF91, 0cz3c or L, who have senseless names and little other information to work with. But master of friggin chaos? We'll see if we get a 46 in the next day post. I doubt it. But if we do, I take everything back and you can feel free to lynch #40.
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One doesn't need to be stubborn or mafia not to believe your interpretation. qrs conceded he'll be stunned if your interpretation turns out to be correct, but he doesn't believe it does for now. Same goes for me unless a 46 appears in the next day post in a couple of hours. You'll have to admit that what you found isn't exactly the most straightforward of clues, and that it might only be a coincidence. So don't be surprised and angry if people doubt you.
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On April 15 2008 22:07 MTF wrote: Iii don't get how it [...] is a coincidence. o_O Chuiu could have taken arbitrary/meaningless numbers which were possibly never meant to be added, and add up to a similar result only by chance. Or the numbers could be connected to something else entirely. An unintentional red herring if you will.
Help me out here:
- Only & all of the numeric words in those days that Cottonmouth was present. - A close sum total for both days, with a minimal difference between them. - They both meet at a single total when the days number they are on is subtracted from them. I had already understood before how you got your results, thank you.
What exactly is missing to convince you and why would the next time convince you if two separate occurrences don't? As I said twice already, I'm waiting for a 46 tomorrow. Why? First, because the larger sample size would make it that much less likely that it's all a coincidence (especially because our discussion warns Chuiu not to make that unintentional mistake again, if it was one). Second, because you would then have made a correct prediction, proving your theory right. Two occurences would be enough for me if they added up to the same number, but we need to include an additional variable (the day count), making it all more complicated and unsure. EDIT: This case became true just while I was typing. #44 (str) is thus a strong suspect for me. I think we've used up our actions for the night, so we can wait for the day post anyway to confirm the suspicion.
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By the way, you would appear much more credible and serious if you wouldn't absolutely rule out that maybe, just maybe, you might not know the answer to everything.
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What the hell is up with this Jack/medic shit? Was decafchicken the Jack that reported to you but screwed up with the fake list? Why did he do that? And it appears there's still a medic impostor telling the mafia who the power roles are.
Why would Heros)Pink be mafia? Could you elaborate?
Some wild accusations from me: - Hollander as Enigma for various weak links to his picture: introducing himself politely like a man in a smoking would do, grinning back, ugly face etc. - LTT as Mr.Brown: he cannot be understood because he comes from Shakuras. - clazziquai the same: he from kiribati, he no speak english. He was already suspected for this. Note though that Mr.Brown does speak English in one clue, so maybe this is the wrong route to go. - RowdierBob as some mafia attacking in close combat. He is a rowdy/street brawler, and his profile pic makes him look quite sadistic. - infinity21 as Cottonmouth. His name contains a number, and infinity is also strongly related to numbers. Don't take these too seriously, but maybe someone finds further evidence pointing towards these guys. All of them are fairly inactive in the thread, so they might be lurking mafiosi.
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On April 16 2008 16:44 MTF wrote: Let's note that we only have 20 mafia names, dead or alive. Seeing as d.arkive (the suicide bomber) has been tied to Taipan Snake, this suggests that the special Mafia roles get a character as well. Thus, the overall number of names should be at 22: 20 Mafia, 1 suicide bomber, and 1 saboteur. This is apparently not so, which leads me to believe that the remaining two mafia can only be found by examining key words in the Day posts. Look at the OP. There are only 20 mafias total: one suicider, one saboteur and 18 without abilities. Non-townies are related 1:1 to those codenames.
Btw, if you admit yourself that your clue against me is far-fetched, at least write it in italics
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On April 13 2008 22:54 Plexa wrote: by the way, my team of expert detectives have uncovered a interesting fact
Either MidnightGladius is Mafia or MTF is mafia
Is this still true? What's the reasoning for this? Should we vote to lynch MTF?
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Time for a little résumé!
Mafia started out with 20 criminals out of a total population of 130 = 15.4% Now it is 15/92 = 16.3% Since the mafia's goal is to get over 50%, it is safe to say that the town is at a numeric advantage at the moment, having prevented the bad guys from greatly shifting the proportion in their favor.
Now this is causing me headaches:
On March 13 2008 13:58 Chuiu wrote: Mayor is elected. (4 double lynches remaining, voting power of 6) Pardoner is elected. (6 pardons remaining) 2 of 6 Bodyguards alive. 3 of 4 Vigilante alive. 0 of 4 Detective alive. 7 of 7 Veteran alive. 4 of 7 Paramedic alive. 0 of 2 Mad Hatter alive. 0 of 2 Jack alive. Mafia are killing off one special role after the other, leaving us with no detective abilities at all. While more and more vague clues are being revealed, really hard evidence will be hard to come by in the future. There are only 4 medics left, one of which is likely inactive and replaced by an impostor. Most vigilante kills have been used up.
In short: it will be damn hard for us to keep our momentum with few extra kills, no detective information and little medic protection.
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Nice one! A dragoon specifically uses guns though: Dragoon is the traditional name for a soldier trained to fight on foot but who transports himself on horseback, in use especially during the late 17th and early 18th centuries. The name derives probably from the dragoon's primary weapon, a carbine or short musket called the dragon. Dragon carbines are said to have been named because, like the creature of myth, they "breathed fire" — a reference to the flames carbines emitted when fired. While Mr.Brown pulls a gun out of his coat at Fishball's, which fits perfectly, he then proceeds to beat him to death instead. BloodyC0bbler is killed with a sharp stone. Both kills don't really match a dragoon. Not to say this is a bad connection, but a dragoon prefers other methods of killing.
crazie-penguin convinves me more at the moment, so I'll vote for him.
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I'm against lynching L today. There's still a small possibility he could be a medic, and we shouldn't risk losing a precious medic if we aren't absolutely sure. I suggest we wait until tomorrow and kill someone else in the meantime. L is dead anyway, either by mafia tonight or by lynching tomorrow. My vote remains on crazie-penguin.
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On April 17 2008 22:16 Plexa wrote:Another mafia bites the dust; + Show Spoiler +Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now.
Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life.
he panicked and turned around to get out as fast as he could but found three mafia in his way. Eddie, Enigma, and Mr. Black were all ready to get a piece of KH1031 but found someone else doing their dirty work for them. "We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground and Mr. Black followed up as they both started viciously beating him. In the first set of clues, Mr Black prevents harm to Copperhead and in effect controls all the damage that JeeJee is able to inflict (note the highlighted passage). In the second set of clues Mr Black talks about "risk" and how Decaf is too much of a risk to stay alive Now, this all coincides nicely with a certain name: DamageControl, join your buddies in mafia hell Just read that passage again and again and keep damagecontrol in your mind and you'll see that the connection is obvious Ya, that works nicely. DamageControL specified no other information in his profile, so we can only look at his name. And this could be just the kind of clue Chuiu would make. Dr.Dragoon, crazie-penguin and L are all even more suspicios to me, but it never hurts to have more lynch victims Good work again, Plexa!
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On April 17 2008 22:56 Plexa wrote:Okay, it just keeps on coming... Its rather common knowledge now that Enigma is associated with his looks and whatnot. Enigma ran his hand through his hair... Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he... Empyrean noted the features of the man.. Hello spoinka Meh. Weak methinks.
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He has an ugly look on his face that can possibly even be interpreted as the look while charging, but that's about it. I can't see anything relating to Enigma running his hand through his hair (you don't even see spoinka's hair on his pic), exclaiming meaningful sentences, writing down notes, his friends, or holding someone to the ground. I don't believe all of these traits are there purely for storytelling purposes. At least a couple of them are connected to the player we are searching for, and spoinka doesn't fit that profile. Not that I'd have a better candidate at hand, but I won't lynch someone only because he looks weird in his profile picture. Agree?
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LOL at BlindAlbino indeed. Those ultra-strange metaphors and sayings are a blast to read
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Plexa is on fire! I think the ZBiR connection is a bit unnatural (he's from Poland, not Croatia). I can certainly agree with SoMuchBetter and clazziquai though. I already had them suspected earlier, even if it was in a different context either time. Too many criminals to kill for our small militia. Should we call the army for help?
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Wait, I am the prime suspect for Mr. Pink? Why is that? Since your word has a lot of weight (rightly so!), I'd very much like to hear the reasoning for this accusation. Let me state this clearly: I am a townie.
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Indeed, I didn't even know that there's a Scorch supervillainesse. Just looked her up in Wikipedia, and have two things to say in my defense: - I'm not a girl, and certainly not an evil one - The Scorch comic character would probably kill with fire, which Mr. Pink hasn't done yet. In fact, any clue involving fire would point to my name directly, but there hasn't been a single one in all of the day posts.
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Not a supervillain, but my own take on Mr. Pink + Show Spoiler +"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" (wisdom, cool-headed planning) commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia (unemotional remark). As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot (gruesome, macabre), the two men became filled with shock.
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head (same again). OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter (gained a "level-up" from Mynock's pain?). Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live (energy leeched out of him?).
Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. (Mr. Pink wants to beat him to death slowly for additional pain, instead of shooting him dead quickly. Mr.Brown obeys because Mr.Pink is considered wise and cold-minded.) Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding. From this, I extract two major themes: bloodlust/violence/sadism and thoughtfulness/wisdom/considerateness. Bind this to RtS)Night[Mare's profile text: "Pain makes one suffer. Suffering makes one think. Thinking makes one wise. And Wisdom makes life bearable." Nightmare gains wisdom/strength by pain (of his victims?). This fits perfectly with Mr.Pink's brutality and sadism, and it also explains Mr.Pink's smartness and good thinking. If you want to take the "supervillain or being with superhuman powers" route, a "Nightmare" or "Incubus" is also a demon, which drains energy from its victim and would probably be a strong fighter.
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On April 19 2008 18:16 MTF wrote:+ Show Spoiler + 8-CDRdude 19-ulszz 27-nemY(2) 34-RtS)Night[Mare(2) 48-qrs(2) 51-araav(2) 52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2) 85-ahrara_(2)
One of those eight is mafia, and Ulszz/nemY are the only ones we have connected clues with.
I do have another suspect among these, RtS)Night[Mare.
On April 19 2008 02:55 Scorch wrote:Not a supervillain, but my own take on Mr. Pink+ Show Spoiler +"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" (wisdom, cool-headed planning) commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia (unemotional remark). As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot (gruesome, macabre), the two men became filled with shock.
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head (same again). OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter (gained a "level-up" from Mynock's pain?). Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live (energy leeched out of him?).
Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. (Mr. Pink wants to beat him to death slowly for additional pain, instead of shooting him dead quickly. Mr.Brown obeys because Mr.Pink is considered wise and cold-minded.) Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding. From this, I extract two major themes: bloodlust/violence/sadism and thoughtfulness/wisdom/considerateness. Bind this to RtS)Night[Mare's profile text: "Pain makes one suffer. Suffering makes one think. Thinking makes one wise. And Wisdom makes life bearable." Nightmare gains wisdom/strength by pain (of his victims?). This fits perfectly with Mr.Pink's brutality and sadism, and it also explains Mr.Pink's smartness and good thinking. If you want to take the "supervillain or being with superhuman powers" route, a "Nightmare" or "Incubus" is also a demon, which drains energy from its victim and would probably be a strong fighter.
I'd say ulszz > NightMare > nemY.
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Wrong. Night[Mare voted for Mandalor too. + Show Spoiler +On March 24 2008 13:44 Chuiu wrote: Final Vote Count: [...] Mandalor - 58 Ace Showtime! ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L Empyrean Eti307 suresh0t randombum Lysithea French_Toast New104 Kau Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. Naib JeeJee Hittegods SoleSteeler Romance_us Plexa LucasWoJ Caller Fishball RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Lenwe Alethios NatsuTerran 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Pangolin SpiritoftheTuna Unforgiven_ve Energies BloodyC0bbler iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito bumatlarge fanatacist ieatkids5 ~OpZ~ SonuvBob Siefu butidigress
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Edit: I'm too slow, you already found that out yourself
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On April 19 2008 20:25 Plexa wrote:I agree with a lot of the analysis put forward here, except for one thing - the level up part that just sounds.. stupid haha But, i'd like to point you towards the most recent outing of Mr Pink Show nested quote +Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ. The highlighted sections don't seem to mesh that well with nightmare's quote. Most notably the theme of speed (also note how Mr Pink didn't actually beat him?) If we assume Mr.Pink is indeed an incubus demon, it would work. I did a little research on nightmares and incubi and found out that in different tellings, incubi drain the life out of their victims to sustain themselves (That's what I meant with the level-up part, gaining strength from sucking out his energy. That's why Mynock has no chance against Mr.Pink for the rest of the fight, and dies with no strength left to live.), and that they have sexual intercourse with people in their sleep. While Mr.Pink didn't rape anyone, holding BloodyC0bbler down would fit: Wikipedia states that in fact The word incubo translates into "I lie on top". Furthermore, BloodyC0bbler feels himself dying already before he is caught, probably because the demon has already begun draining his energy from a distance.
I'm not claiming this to be a correct connection and that RtS)Night[Mare absolutely has to be mafia, but I know that I am innocent and try to defend myself by suggesting a plausible alternative.
PS Fun fact: Incubi are known to have exceptionally cold penises. Nightmare, do you have anything to tell us about your dong?
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L will definitely have to die unless a miracle happens and he somehow manages to save someone tonight. As for the second lynch, I currently feel the strongest about SoMuchBetter and Dr.Dragoon. But ulszz would probably be the best strategic decision.
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On April 21 2008 00:14 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: Scorch's really on my ass haha. There's nothing to do until next day though. No voting on the night. Nothing personal, I was only saving my own ass. SoleSteeler has taken your place now. I don't think we would have found him without the energy-draining incubus stuff, so... thank you
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Whenever there is a lot of numbers in one place, you can juggle them around to find anything you are looking for. I made the very same suspicion way back on day 4, but have since realized that those numbers aren't suitable evidence. You can fit them to almost anyone you like if a candidate has numbers in his name, date of birth, number in the player list or what have you.
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On April 21 2008 16:14 SoleSteeler wrote: We have other people that have are more likely mafia, so I would ask all of you to at least get rid of those people first, and hopefully more clues will come forth, and you will continue to see that there isn't a shred of evidence that links anything Mr. Pink has done to me.
Your sentence doesn't make any sense. There is evidence against you already now, you wouldn't be accused otherwise. Whether the connection is solid and will be repeated in the upcoming days remains to be seen. We will lynch other people first, you're not so high up the priority list. If ulszz turns out mafia though, that means Nightmare is innocent, which isn't good for you.
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Yeah let's see. When is day? Daytime will probably be fast because we already know almost for sure who to lynch.
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Plexa discovered an aspect of soul stealing that means not only draining life energy, but also gaining the target's attributes. Kinda like shapeshifting. Creepy...
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Those mafias are not only reckless murderers, but lazy bums too. Won't you finally send your hit list so we can carry on? You've taken three days already. How much work can it possibly be for 14 people to write up seven names?
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Has a double lynch already been declared? I think it's safe to lynch ulszz along with L. Mr.Blue acted quite nooblike again by finding no entrance in the house, alerting fusionsdf by noisefully kicking in the door and then having lots of trouble actually killing him. (Don't let yourselves be deceived by ulszz's signature. He only changed it recently and had a quote linking him to Mr.Blue before that.)
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On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote: Eddie went down the long list of townspeople and selected a bunch for his mafia to handle. Once his orders were out they got right to work. Eddie is clearly the mafia boss, I believe he has the saboteur role. Too bad we don't have a very strong candidate for Eddie.
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On April 23 2008 17:10 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2008 15:18 Chuiu wrote: Cottonmouth found Klive5ive walking to his friend house down the street and began his attack. He threw one stone at Klive5ive's back to get his attention, then when he had it he threw another two at him. Klive5ive dodged the next two and started picking up the stones to chuck back at Cottonmouth. Unfortunately Cottonmouth already had some more ready, throwing four more stones at Klive5ive. Klive5ive was severely bruised at this point and he struggled to throw back the stones with much strength. Cottonmouth threw three more stones at Klive5ive's right arm and three at his left arm in effort to disable him. With Klive5ive unable to defend himself Cottonmouth took two last stones and smashed them into Klive5ive's skull. Cottonmouth is still irrefutably connected to numbers. I thought the magic number was 44, but today came up 63, so apparently not. I will be reinspecting this post and other day posts shortly. How do you get to 63? If I add the explicit numbers (bolded in the quote, I hope I didn't overlook anything), they add up to 57. Is infinity21 confirmed innocent? His name would relate perfectly to a number theme.
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On April 23 2008 20:52 Plexa wrote: place holder What the hell would you need a placeholder for? I think your quest to bring proper structure into a 253 page thread is doomed to fail.
Regarding Cottonmouth, thanks qrs for your observation. Now what can we deduce from 15 being the magic number? Player #15 was Hittegods, so this is a dead-end. Letter #15 in the alphabet is O, but I don't have anything to tie to that letter. The ASCII symbol for 15 is SI (shift in). Can we make something out of that? I'm quite clueless.
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Go all, exercise you right to vote! Think about how frustrating it must be for Chuiu to organize this game and put lots of work into it, and then only 20 or 30 people vote.
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Now with L gone, the remaining power roles are probably legit. So far, so good.
If ulszz was innocent, we need a new candidate for Mr.Blue. I found the "noob" route quite convincing, but apparently it wasn't. One of the reasons we killed ulszz so soon was because he was on this list of people (1 mafia among them):
ulszz araav <--- proved innocent by a detective after the "hacking" incident. Could Ace confirm? rts)night[mare infundibilum ahrara qrs nemy Now who of these could be the bad guy? We have some evidence against NemY and NightMare, but nothing strong. Should we concentrate on other suspects for now?
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On April 25 2008 19:27 MTF wrote: But for what it's worth, I really don't think Scorch is mafia. :p Ha! There we have it! :D
Do you guys agree that Eddie, as the mafia's leader, has the saboteur rule? If so, is it worth taking risks in lynching Eddie suspects vs lynching relatively certain vanilla mafia candidates?
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Maaan, mafia take their time again. How come town can interpret clues, build up evidence, agree on a candidate and vote on him within two days, while mafia fails to type up six fucking names in four days? Chuiu, I suggest you issue an ultimatum. Should mafia not make haste and send a goddamn list until, say, tomorrow, please select a kill list at random (maybe with only 5 kills as a punishment?) so we can finally carry on. Mafia's slowness starts to annoy me.
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On May 02 2008 10:25 Chuiu wrote: Vote Count:
Alethios MoRe_mInErAls
KorvspaD MoRe_mInErAls(2) This is strange. I don't think Alethios or KorvspaD were mentioned in any serious evidence analysis. Why would MoRe_mInErAls vote for them? Though I have no particular evidence against More_Minerals, I think it's at least worth noting his... uhm ... alternative views on who to vote for.
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Man, I suck at voting. Who's next?
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On May 04 2008 22:08 Plexa wrote:oh it basically means that.. + Show Spoiler [innocent] +Pangolin Naib BWDero SoleSteeler (Last Romantic) (Zeks) Ahrara 0cz3c and + Show Spoiler [mafia] + One of;
LostYourSkills vs Lysithea STR vs NatsuTerran vs LTT
And increases the likelihood of GeneralStan Nightmare infinity21
being mafia
Huh? Where does this come from? I'd like to know how you pull such deductions out of your hat.
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Thanks MTF for your clue analysis, well played! And thanks Alventenie for absorbing a couple of hits
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Oh what vulgar vocabulary our remaining hero detective uses! Do you have an updated mafia profiling list at hand? There's no Plexa stuff in MTF's blog and I'm too lazy to do it myself
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/bump
May I ask for more activity in here? All go cast your vote! Not only do mafia have easier game swaying votes with so few voters, it's also disrespectful towards Chuiu to answer his lots of work with inactivity.
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On May 07 2008 17:19 Plexa wrote: seeing as we're set for today... who are we lynching on our double lynch!
im suggesting DamageControl SoMuchBetter Dr.Dragoon
(in that order)
opinions? From what we know now, that's fully okay by me. But we should wait until we get more information in the night and day post, maybe something relevant will be revealed.
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Noooo, Plexa fails! Well, there were indeed a couple of hints towards GeneralStan, so I don't blame anyone. Better luck next time. Speaking of which: I guess we have a double lynch tomorrow. Who should we kill off? I'd say DamageControL and suresh0t.
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I'm not really convinced of the Mr.Blue - Lurker connection, but since jtan is already a suspect for Eddie too, I'd agree to give it a shot.
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On May 10 2008 02:17 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2008 02:15 Scorch wrote: I'm not really convinced of the Mr.Blue - Lurker connection, but since jtan is already a suspect for Eddie too, I'd agree to give it a shot. Lol if you didn't already know, the second in line suspect for mr.blue is you, so you better start thinking jtan is :D. Ya, I'm Mr.Blue for having a Rage Against The Machine signature and Mr.Pink because there is a female supervillain with my name. Busted. MTF himself already conceded that he doesn't think I'm mafia. I have no intentions of withholding my honest opinion solely for the sake of not casting any absurd suspicions on me.
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On May 13 2008 16:45 Plexa wrote: I'm sure we'll find red in unforgiven and damagecontrol - but if others dont think so then speak up
How about RowdierBob?
His profile pic is pure sadism. Since SoulSteeler and Nightmare don't fit to Mr.Pink very much any more, I vote to lynch RowdierBob.
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I just saw that RowdierBob isn't on the Mandalor list (in fact, he hasn't voted since Day 1!), while Nightmare is both on the Mandalor and Showtime! list. This reduces the probability of RowdierBob being mafia. I'm not afraid of the explicit pain clue being too obvious though. You could very well be right, but still my vote remains on RowdierBob for the time being.
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Maybe he's trying to save his own ass by voting for DamageControL and putting himself at 3rd place. By the way, it appears there is a bandwagon starting against Ninja4Ever in the voting thread. We might want to take a close look at the people voting for Ninja without giving a reason and not contributing anything else.
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If you don't think it's NightMare, you could look towards RowdierBob. His picture fits great, but unfortunately he's not on the Mandalor list.
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That's nice and all, but do you really think Chuiu would fit clues to a word that is only similar to a player's name? I don't even know how you stumbled upon "derro" instead of "dero". That's as if I connected your name to punk instead of pink.
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On May 17 2008 05:57 HeRoS)Pink wrote: suresh0t isnt the wolf anyway stop pointing the finger at him, the one who's the wolf have 3 letters in his name O RLY? Explain please.
+ Show Spoiler +List of people with a three-letter name: Fen LTT str qrs Ace rpf
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On May 18 2008 08:11 HeRoS)Pink wrote:ok this is going to far, about the 3 letters mafia, i meant to say *I know who he's and he have 3 letters in his name.* SureSh0t will be happy + Show Spoiler +qrs = The wolf Quote : It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious.
The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.
He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. He rolled to the side and started searching around for a weapon of his own as he jumped up from the ground.
Last Romantic was driving around looking for a bar still open late night when he finally found one, or thought he did. The Wolf was waiting inside the cleverly disguised building and had a gun ready for ambush. As Last Romantic walked in he approached The Wolf and ordered a drink. The Wolf served him and a minute or two passed by before he realized the bar was completely empty except for him and The Wolf. Finally he got up and asked why there were no other customers. The Wolf pointed to the door where Eddie stood, Eddie stopped him instead and pointed back at The Wolf. Finally The Wolf ended the charade and shot Last Romantic in the head.
The Wolf had been tracking his target for quite some time. His target, GranDim, had been driving around all over town in a white van. When he finally stopped at a gas station to get gas The Wolf got in position for the kill. He silently waited for GranDim to fill up his gas and pay for it then ambushed him right before he got back in his van. GranDim and The Wolf got in fist fight and it was soon obvious who was better trained for it. The Wolf whittled GranDim down with every punch and eventually knocked him out on the door of the van. To finish him off The Wolf searched the van for some drugs and gave GranDim overdoses of everything he could find. I fail to see a solid connection. Are you saying the connection is that The Wolf constantly reveals obvious things? That only fits the first two and the last bolded passage.
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It's not yet safe to say Ninja, suresh0t and Nightmare are innocent just because Unforgiven pointed the finger at them. Unforgiven may have tried to actually protect one of his brethren by doing this. After all, who would suspect them if Unforgiven tried to get them lynched? I don't think it's unreasonable to think there's still a mafia among Ninja, suresh0t and Nightmare. Of course it's not guaranteed either. That being said, I agree that Clazziquai has risen in suspicion.
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Mafia again taking three days to write up five names. What the hell can be so difficult about that? I have a suggestion, Chuiu. How about you limit the next night to 48 hours, and if there's no kill list after that, you select random targets with one less killing power as a punishment?
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Well this sucks serious ultralisk cock. With only one medic and one bodyguard left, things are getting dangerous. Mafia might just turn this game around. It's quite obvious clazziquai has to die. When you're already a high suspect, you don't go around throwing shit at Ace and Plexa, who are both 98% innocent. If these two were mafia, we would have lost many blues much earlier. Btw Plexa, I guess you will want to leave us your last will before the next round of killings rolls around
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Mafia do not need to kill veterans in order to win. If they find out someone is a veteran, they just let him live and concentrate on other targets.
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Thanks for the list araav, works great! Could Bockit's picture
be California Mountain Snake's spinning metal disc? + Show Spoiler +The man on the far side introduced himself as Enigma and the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake. [...] As he began picking up speed he heard something singing behind him. He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.
Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.
So he opened the door and stuck his head outside to get a better view around and saw California Mountain Snake. It was too late to get back in though because California Mountain Snake grabbed him by the neck and pulled him out and threw him to the ground. He pulled a metal disc and started swinging at Hollander's neck with it. Hollander rolled to the side dodging the attack but he was stopped rather abruptly when Eddie stomped down on his face. Held in place by Eddie Hollander had nowhere to run as California Mountain Snake swung again and sliced his head clean off. The object in Bockit's picture could make a good weapon that fits with the clues, slicing body parts clean off. What speaks against Bockit's guilt is that California Mountain Snake bows with his hat in hand, which Bockit has nothing to do with. Furthermore, Bockit isn't on the Mandalor list. ____________________________________________________
01-ShaLLoW[baY] 02-SoMuchBetter 06-clazziquai 28-ZBiR 39-Romance_us 43-NatsuTerran 58-Lysithea 60-SoleSteeler 67-0cz3c 78-BWdero 82-Ninja4ever. 87-Pangolin 91-Scorch 92-Jimtudor 97-suresh0t 103-SpiritoftheTuna
8 should be mafia What's this? Alive people from the Mandalor list minus the ones you think are innocent?
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Finally clazz is dead. He talked even more crap than Showtime! What can we deduce from him being mafia? Which mafia codenames are still alive?
On May 22 2008 14:45 qrs wrote: Wow, the night posts are getting shorter and shorter. I guess Chuiu is frustrated by our inactivity. Organizing this game is a lot of work, and many of us are disrespecting him by not even voting. I mean, 25 out of 61 possible votes? Let me say thank you Chuiu, I appreciate what you are doing.
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Would you leave us a final batch of mafia profiling?
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Well, what would a "weapon of choice" look like that is a metal disc suitable for chopping off a head, but that can also be thrown?
Imagine Bockit's picture as a metal frisbee with a sharp spinning edge and a hole in the middle to grab it. Wouldn't that make a perfect throwing weapon? It also works as a melee weapon as in the last clue, used as a rotating saw blade. Bockit isn't our strongest candidate, but we should certainly keep our eyes on him.
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On May 25 2008 12:22 Ace wrote: First of all, my last bodyguard will surely die tonight. It is no surprise that Mafia have been having 100% good hit rates TOO many times. This said, this is THE most important vote of the game. So I take it LTT or SpiritOfTheTuna are traitors with insider information?
First of all this is my LAST double lynch. Second of all, I was hit last night but survived. That means the already want me dead asap. How would they hit you when you are protected by your last bodyguard?
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Apparently information was given to the wrong people without properly verifying their innocence beforehand. Obviously mafia had to try and infiltrate the inner circle, and they succeeded. Now we don't have a single special ability left: no more double lynches after today, no detectives, no vigilantes, no medics, no mad hatters. Just plain clue analyzing and lynching suspects one by one.
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You may well be right. Present us a full-baked theory then.
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MO-MO-MO-MONSTER KILL!!! Who's next? 0cz3c or jtan?
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Maybe he didn't search for himself but for someone with few posts? I just tried spoinka (36 posts) for example and found it quite quickly. I don't know how Bockit's mod powers work, but I imagine he'd have to go over all edits in the whole forum in the last month, which isn't easy either.
We can lynch Bockit of course. His profile picture makes for some really nice evidence. But I wouldn't lynch him only because the hidden post was found. No mod power abuse is required to find that. Him not being on the Mandalor list lowers his chances of being mafia too.
That being said, I think it's plain stupid to publish such information without any protection. This should be done on an external site, with password protection. Same goes for the IRC channel: why didn't you put a password which you revealed to trustworthy people by PM?
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I don't understand how this is important right now. The information has already been leaked, how that happened must be clarified after the game when dead people are allowed to speak once again. Now let's concentrate on finding mafias. Randombum before Bockit it is now, correct? While randombum's clues seem credible, how about this theory: mafia voted for randombum only to prevent Empyrean from getting bodyguard protection, so they could easily kill a detective. Meh, that theory is crap; let's just lynch our pardoner
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On May 28 2008 03:34 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: i had also pointed out randombum as possible mafia, because of the votting patters. We saw that almost all mafia that we lynched voted last time for randombum. I think it would be wise to lynch him first then get either 0zc3szfasfd or bockit, even though i'd still like to lynch infundibulum more Infundibulum doesn't work well any more. The last clue mentioned that the weapon is a metal disc, which doesn't fit with Infundibulum's helmet. The only thing that makes him more likely than Bockit is that he is on the Mandalor list.
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On May 28 2008 08:14 Ace wrote: I'm 100% sure I'm going to die tonight so I'm just wrapping some things up. Does this even work within the rules? Can they eliminate the last bodyguard and the mayor in the same night or do they have to wait another night to kill the unprotected mayor?
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Killing power is now down to its minimum of 3 :D If we get a mafia every second day from now on, we should win. This doesn't even take veterans into account. On the other hand, it doesn't take mafia swaying votes into account either.
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On June 03 2008 12:32 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Alright Bockit, you are a dead, dead man. Bockit's voting record:
Day 1 (mayor election): randombum Day 2: abstain Day 3: abstain Day 4: no vote Day 5: Evilmonkey / Siefu Day 6: no vote Day 7: no vote Day 8: ieatkids5 / LostYourSkills Day 9: GeneralStan Day 10: DamageControl / Ninja4ever Day 11: no vote Day 12: no vote Day 13: no vote
100% bandwagoning or not voting at all. Either he lays low like a mafia would do, or he really is inactive. The weapon of choice clue lines up nicely against him, and I'd be glad to see him turn up red since I was the first one to point the finger at him. But he is not on the Mandalor list, so we might want to kill someone else first.
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As you wish. But I suggest we wait until after sunrise for the anal rake defloration plan.
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Great. If they didn't know them already, we can now be sure that mafia can avoid wasting killing power on veterans, killing three townies every night. Besides, who on earth would want to remain anonymous if he reveals all goddamn roles anyway?
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: give the mafia a deadline to send in their kills. If they don't comply, select targets at random and with reduced killing power as a punishment. This is not the first time this happened. There are no medics or other complications in the game any more, so writing up three names within two days isn't too much to ask.
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California Mountain Snake's most prominent feature is definitely his weapon. We know quite well what kind of weapon that is: it is a sharp metal disc that can be thrown but also used in melee. If you have someone at hand who fits the weapon clue better, please feel free to point out your suspect.
As for the "L defends Bockit" story: I defended Bockit too in that regard, simply because mod powers aren't required to find the list. Just search for your own name, you'll easily find it too. Bockit might have found the list, but it could've been anyone else just as likely. This means that I wouldn't take L rising from the grave into account at all. Don't let this influence your opinion about Bockit, neither positively nor negatively.
We don't need to lynch Bockit right away, but it seems a lot of people want to, and I don't think he's a bad candidate either.
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On June 07 2008 13:32 Chuiu wrote: Later that night Wizard was conjuring something in his kitchen when Cottonmouth broke into his house. Wizard heard glass shatter and the door open in the next room and saw him coming through the door. Dressed shabbily Cottonmouth walked in and presented himself as a challenge. Wizard took it and reached for a nearby lamp as a weapon. He ran towards Cottonmouth and swung the lamp but missed as Cottonmouth dodged underneath him and flung him over his back. Cottonmouth grabbed the lamp and used the bottom end of it as a blunt weapon smashing Wizard's arm as he turned around to get up. He tossed it aside and began stomping on Wizard's side relentlessly and began kicking also. To finish him off Cottonmouth took up the lamp again and shoved the bulb end of it as hard as he could into Wizard's chest impaling him with it. That looks like an important clue. Who might be dressed shabbily? Going over araav's blog, maybe the following people:
SoMuchBetter wears a shabby cloak and hat in his pic So no fek looks like Jesus Christ himself RowdierBob because rowdies aren't known for being dressed too well. The italicized parts could also fit the street brawling style of a rowdy.
Unfortunately, none of the three really fit any earlier clues for Cottonmouth, except maybe RowdierBob throwing stones on Day 7. Any better candidates than RowdierBob? I really have no confidence in this interpretation, but I lack a better candidate.
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Nooooo, I knew I should have laid low instead of voting yesterday. At least I passed in a beautiful, spectacular way Go town, finish off the remaining suckers!
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On July 02 2008 09:13 nemY wrote:I just feel there are stronger suspects at the moment... mainly Scorch as Mr. Blond (which once again no one has yet to comment on ) Not to rain on your parade, but I'm a dead townie. I guess you meant HotZhot as Mr.Blonde.
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The rule wasn't enforced, otherwise there would be about five people still in the game. I don't think anything prevents you from participating, except maybe that you don't have the faintest idea what's been going on during the last 300 pages.
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Why should mafia win? Look at the numbers. Townies can afford at least four mislynches, probably more, depending on how many lives the veterans have left. With so much information available at this point and even more to be revealed, I doubt this will happen. Nevertheless, inactivity is admittedly a big problem for the town, and no problem at all for the mafia due to the killing system. Maybe it would help if Chuiu sent a PM to every townie asking for their participation? We could then still think about replacing inactives.
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Chuiu should have included a disclaimer on how the replacements work. Would clues be related to the old or new names? Why are the names green? Green by convention denotes a townie, an innocent inhabitant of Liquidia, so green is misleading.
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Yay, I returned from my holiday just in time to see the wrap-up :D
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Is this a concession? Yay, go town!
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I propose Plexa for the Most Valuable Towny Award.
Thanks to Chuiu for administering the game over almost half a year! Is another game upcoming or have you had enough?
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I'd say the game was well balanced. Both sides played it very well. Mafia successfully managed to infiltrate the inner circle (as far as I can tell as a simple townie) and proceeded to kill all power roles early. The town did some great clue analyzing (Plexa, MTF and multiple others) and rooted out a mafia almost every day. The game was quite close at some points, since the town couldn't afford many mislynches and inactivity almost allowed the mafia to sway the votes.
Things I would change next time: - Do things on a far smaller scale. A game with 130 people is destined to take ages and make bored people go inactive. - Do not replace inactive people in order to prevent the confusion we had. Just ban them from the next game. - Set a fixed schedule for days and nights to speed up the game, say 48 hours. Should the mafia not send in their hit list before the deadline, select targets at random.
GOOD GAME!
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On August 06 2008 00:35 fusionsdf wrote: so I was an early suspect? I was wondering whether that would work out It wasn't you in particular, there were multiple possibilities. Here's my PM conversation with Ace on the matter: + Show Spoiler +right now it makes sense to ignore useless and azn for the time being, since the mafia that was caught was confirmed in one of those 7. Also, we are thinking about vote checking the list with Trancestorm since that frees up more people faster. But we're discussing the plan now. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: we should be able to work around this if you vote-check someone else then. the vigilante would then have to assassinate someone else obviously. the logic applies to both directions of the Chezinu-fusionsdf and aZnvaLiaNce-useLess pairs, so we can still carry out the plan. these are the possible votes to check for the detective: Ninja4ever. - 1 (day 2)Chezinu --> kill fusionsdf if Chezinu is townie zeks - 1 (day 3)aZnvaLiaNce(2) --> kill useLess if aZnvaLiaNce is townie Ace - 1 (day 4)fusionsdf --> kill Chezinu if fusionsdf is townie unfortunately, there is no convenient vote by useLess, but the three above should be enough already. we have three possible alternatives, so you can leave the two supposed power roles alive. you don't even need to tell me the two rolebearers in case you don't trust me, hehe convinced yet? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: good idea. There is only ONE major problem with it being that 2 of those guys may carry an important role ----------------------------------------- Original Message: hi! based on my observations in the quote at the bottom, i have a strategic suggestion to make. let your lone detective check the votes for Ace on day 4 (that would be only fusionsdf). if fusionsdf is mafia, obviously we know who to hit. now comes the fun part. if he is innocent, let a vigilante kill Chezinu! now if Chezinu turns out mafia, we successfully reduced mafia killing power and we know that either useLess or aZnvaLiaNce are mafia, and that imDerek, Alventenie and Evilmonkey are all innocent. Should both Chezinu and fusionsdf be townies (worst case. cost: 1 detective check, 1 vigilante hit, 1 townie), we can at least deduce that useLess and aZnvaLiaNce are innocent too, and that there is one mafia among imDerek, Alventenie and Evilmonkey. now this is kind of costly and risky. is your detective even free to act or has he already used up his powers for today? alternatively, you could tell the jack to act as a detective, if possible. it is also quite likely that we'll kill a townie or two on the way. i'm willing to take this risk though, especially since noone of the seven suspects appears to be overly active or useful in the thread. what do you say? at least it is a plan. the last day was really chaotic and fruitless, i think we need some direction. see you, Scorch On April 07 2008 17:04 Scorch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2008 15:16 MidnightGladius wrote:Cross-referencing some lists: + Show Spoiler +Confirmed Innocent: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler Ghar - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) useLess aZnvaLiaNce ShadowDrgn Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey. Ace - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~ Evilmonkey. Here, the following coincide in the two lists: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie Whereas these occur once: Chezinu useLess aZnvaLiaNce fusionsdf Of these, the following can easily be count-checked: fusionsdf (only one voting for Ace) Chezinu (only one voting for Ninja4ever) --- aZnvaLiaNce voted for TranceStorm with 13 others, so that's a dead end for now. Abstentions: imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie useLess Do with this what you will. I'd like to emphasize this once more: We have the following certain information: EITHER one out of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenieis mafia, OR two out of - Chezinu - useLess - aZnvaLiaNce - fusionsdfare mafia. From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia. At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys! My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling. It later turned out that my strategy was based on decaf's incorrect detective list. Luckily the plan was never carried out
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On August 07 2008 11:06 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2008 06:50 Ninja4ever. wrote: See guys, i wasn't mafia. The good thing when you're suspect is that you're sure mafia won't lynch you. (You might be lynched yourself though, but that's another problem) Agreed. Except your plan of playing along and appearing suspicious worked too well and you really got lynched by accident
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Well the Power Rank was scheduled for September too...
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Hooray! All hail to Chuiu! Long live the glorious town of Liquidia!
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