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Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 13 2008 06:56 GMT

#52

Hopefully rule 3. "You must vote" will help with the inactivity.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 15 2008 03:15 GMT

#208

On March 15 2008 12:09 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:

I know, and I'm so excited that I keep checking back hoping the game has started. It sucks because i've been recovering from wrist surgery this week and haven't had much to do, so this would be like the most exciting thing on my agenda

I think they said that the game was going to start on Sunday.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 17 2008 02:26 GMT

#257

On March 17 2008 11:24 bumatlarge wrote:
BY THE BEARD OF ST. PATTY! We gonna have the Irish mafia come out. Uh oh, i have red hair...
Ginger = mafia?

Irish mafia eh? All we need now is for it to be set in Boston and we can recreate The Departed.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 18 2008 06:58 GMT

#361

All of the Mobsters names in the clue section can be linked to a Quentin Tarantino movie. The only exception is, fittingly, Enigma. At this moment I don't really see how this will help to link to specific people but it was the first thing that I noticed.

edit: I thought I might as well organize the names.
Reservoir dogs: Eddie, Joe, Mr. Blonde, Mr. Pink, and Mr. Blue were in the movie and Mr. Black and Mr. Red would have fit.

Pulp Fiction: The Wolf (Harvey Keitel is so badass)

Kill Bill: Sidewinder, Taipan, and King Brown Snake. I don't actually know if all of these names were used in Kill Bill but I remember that they were all named after snakes.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 18 2008 08:06 GMT

#402

On March 18 2008 17:02 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
See, all this business behind what strategy is best for the future mayor is all based on the honor code and who's being honest. Seriously, I think it's best to put the strategy behind us until the first day/night cycle is done just to see how the important roles act/react to events happening, in particular the mayor.

So if we are not choosing the mayor based on their strategy, then how do you suggest we choose the mayor?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 18 2008 10:22 GMT

#447

I would like to say that I do not find Ghar suspicious. The Day 1 post says that there were eight people in the way of dapperdan's escape. To me that implys 8 people between him and the door, not being surrounded as Ghar's sig is about. aZnvaLiaNce's original line of reasoning: 8 people, 8 cardinal directions, must be surrounded, seems like quite a stretch to me. Adding to this is the fact that aZnvaLiaNce's posts in general have seemed much less logical and well thought out when compared to Ghar's posts. Basically what I am saying is. "Eight people in his way, chances weren't good." =/= "All right, they're on our left, they're on our right, they're in front of us, they're behind us... they can't get away this time"

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 18 2008 10:56 GMT

#451

I can see where he's coming from though. It would be helpful to have a detective mayor since it solves the problem with detectives that they have to choose whether to reveal their info and face the mobs wrath or simply hoard info without a way to give it to the average townie. The only problem I have is that if he doesn't win, then he just hurt the town by announcing his role. This makes the whole move somewhat selfish. I am personally hoping now that Ghar becomes the mayor and Empyrean becomes the Pardoner, because then Empyrean will still be protected by bodyguards and Ghar can enact his plan to have a scum-free government. This is of course assuming Empyrean is not lying...

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 18 2008 11:23 GMT

#455

I don't know if it really means anything one way or the other, but I would like to point out that brown king snakes are also from Australia.

edit: I guess I didn't notice the last sentence of the previous post.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 18 2008 12:46 GMT

#467

Well the way you(Klive5ive) tell it is certainly more convincing then aznvaliance's. I still think it would be strange for a mafia candidate to advocate immediate role confirmation for himself after election, and also to give townies what seems like a solid townie role strategy. However, it is also true that any mayor could still use this strategy, even though Ace is the only other candidate that seems ready to embrace it.

I actually have a question for Ghar about his idea. How do you plan to have only one detective check the mayor's identity on the first day? Wouldn't having every detective check the mayor's role the first day effectively use half of the usable role checks immediately? I don't see how there can be any coordination until there is confirmation of everyone being a non-mafioso.

edit: to somuchbetter I believe the idea is for the detectives to role check the mayor before pming him. Thus if he is mafia then they would not pm him at all and would instead expose him to the town.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 03:07 GMT

#898

So when do the polls close? If it is 24 hours from the day 1 post then it will be 3-4 hours from now. Has Chuiu mentioned a time?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 03:51 GMT

#934

Well whoever is elected mayor must lynch somebody as his first act. I think that this is why people are analyzing day 1 clues, so that they can help whoever becomes mayor choose. Maybe it would be a good idea for mayoral candidates to discuss who they are planning to use their insta-lynch on. But then again it may be better for it to be a secret until it happens.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 15:53 GMT

#1026

If he is able to tell us why he is pardoning somebody and the town agrees I don't see why we shouldn't allow him to pardon people, the same as any pardoner.

Are we waiting for most people to vote before closing polls or is there some kind of time limit?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 16:05 GMT

#1030

On March 20 2008 00:56 Kau wrote:

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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925&currentpage=18#348

Have you tried reading this?

Well I just reread it and now I understand. Before I thought that "A vote count will be done tomorrow sometime and I will move to night the day after that" meant that the polls would be closed yesterday. Now I remember the mayor is announced in the night. Thanks for helping me clear that up.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 16:16 GMT

#1034

On March 20 2008 01:13 Ziel wrote:

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WOW. This is a big flaw in the DT plan -_- And I dont see any way we can go around it if we have a mafia major. We need to seriously rethink what the mayor's backup plans are gonna be in his first 100 days in office!

I'm starting to have suspicions with Ace, because despite his sound arguments right up to this post, he's persistent in that this flaw isn't even there (if Im correct from what I've read of his posts) :O

And to the person that suggested the idea that we a detective should come up, WHO would the brave soul be? And we have no way of verifying it's true! (Unless more detectives come up..but that would be plain stupid).

Though it seems its the most solid plan we have now, having to lose even one DT for this plan...The worst case scenario is that the mafias have taught out a real good plan to mess this up and we're not seeing it...Bah I dont even know if Im making much sense now...better reread some posts again.

Yes I think you need to reread some posts because not only did Ace show that it wasn't a hole, Kau (the one who posted the "flaw") admitted it wasn't actually a flaw. The reason being that detectives are going to check if the mayor is mafia anyways.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 18:20 GMT

#1061

Heh Empyrean really should have considered the mafia's new roles before enacting his plan. Either way they screw him. If elected the saboteur ruins his detective ability and if not elected and protected by medics he, and all the medics, get blown to pieces by a suicide bomber.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 20:11 GMT

#1094

On March 20 2008 05:08 Ace wrote:

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If you mean about the plan, the Detectives confirm my innocence by staying silent.
If any of the Detectives speak up and say I'm Mafia, then one of us has to be lying.
We lynch the DT, if he is Mafia it was just a plan to try and get the town to lynch me first.
If he is innocent, I'm obviously Mafia and the Town would lynch me when his death reveals his innocence.

As an extension of this the detectives would not have to reveal themselves to reveal Empyrean because they would just tell Ace who would then tell the townies.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 20:37 GMT

#1100

Yeah seriously any detective who is able to get a mafia mayor lynched, even at the expense of his own life, is basically the hero of the game.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 23:40 GMT

#1141

On March 20 2008 07:59 SonuvBob wrote:
That's true, but for other candidates it could've been based on what they said. I had literally nothing to offer.

HAHA I LOVE IT!! A townie trick to expose (possible) mobsters. I was wondering why your campaign was so half-assed, now it makes complete sense.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 23:49 GMT

#1145

On March 20 2008 08:40 Bockit wrote:
Only flaw I can think of is with the "detectives remain silent for innocence". That assumes that at least one detective / 4 will use up 1 of their rolecheckers, and not all 4 will think, oh one of the others is sure to do it.

Though I'm not suggesting we should kill of a detective to confirm, OR that the plan is massively flawed, I'm just pointing out.

That is unless I'm missing something...

Well all of the detectives are supposed to rolecheck the mayor and send the mayor a pm. Even though this does waste some detective abilities it also fixes your problem.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 19 2008 23:51 GMT

#1148

On March 20 2008 08:48 Falcynn wrote:
This is probably a stupid question, but I figured I'd just ask it anyway to get it off my mind. Regular detectives only have 2 rolechecks per game. However if a jack uses the detective abilities, does he get the role checks back. Considering that when they use their veteran powers they regain their night lives, I figured I'd ask. (again, probably a dumb question, but I just wanted to let it out)

"You may use up to six abilities from other roles in the game however you are restricted to the very same rules that apply to them when you use them." I assume the bolded part means # per game restrictions

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 20 2008 06:06 GMT

#1415

Haha I would be so mad if I was inc. The mad hatter role seemed so much fun and he didn't even get to plant any bombs. Oh well, I guess he should have been active and not wasted his special blueness.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 21 2008 11:24 GMT

#1728

On March 21 2008 20:12 Naib wrote:
Well, you can't just "do that" even though we got way less spam this time

(wait until next clues are out though, I'm sure that'll mean +20 pages under 5 hours

). Even though the Town has very few things to do atm, the Mafia needs a lot of time to organize (20 people in a PM madness can be pretty time-consuming

) So let's just wait and pray for our lives

How is it that you are so familiar with the troubles of being a mobster? Were you mafia last game or something?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 24 2008 01:25 GMT

#2309

One of the detectives skills is to check how many mafia voted for a certain person who was lynched.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 24 2008 06:24 GMT

#2397

Good job ace.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 24 2008 06:27 GMT

#2400

Where's DapperDan? Shouldn't he be able to answer people's questions?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 24 2008 23:41 GMT

#2591

I decided to analyze the 7 people who voted for Ghar in the last lynch. Even though 1/7 is slightly worse odds then 19/103 it is still easier to examine a smaller sample I will put them in order of my suspicion.

1. ShadowDrgn: One of the best fits for Mr. Blonde, he comes from nowhere like a shadow
and swoops like a dragon. Seems to be somewhat active but I don’t remember anything
particularly helpful that he said. His public profile doesn’t really say anything that I could link to a clue.

2. useLess: Could possibly be sidewinder, although the connections are admittedly kinda weak. Sidewinder has been very useless so far for the mafia, he got tossed on the first night and kicked aside the second night. He is from the USA and so is the Sidewinder snake. Also Sidewinder may have been connected to the sticky goo that was on the ground. UseLess’ quote says that his favorite book is organic chemistry so that could possibly connect to the sticky goo. I don’t remember seeing him post but I haven’t gone back and checked everything yet.

3-5. Imderek, evilmonkey, and Trancestorm all haven’t posted at all since the game started as far as I can tell. I hit the all button and used the search function but it wasn’t really all posts so I’m not sure if they have posted more recently.

6. AznValiance: No clues. His posts have varied in usefulness but he seems to be genuinely trying to help the town.

7. Alventenie: No clues. Has posted some very useful clue analysis and various other mafia related information. He has helped the town from what I have seen.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 25 2008 00:33 GMT

#2597

On March 25 2008 09:25 ShadowDrgn wrote:

I think the clues pointing to useLess are actually pretty good, and I still like zeks for being Mr. Blonde. Unless Ace has something else in mind, perhaps useLess and I should be voting for different people tomorrow since we seem to be the top two candidates out of the list of seven.

Personally I don't really buy zeks as Mr. Blonde. He was the one with the spiderman quote right? Well that may work for day 2 but day 1 it said "as if coming from nowhere". It is still possible that it is zeks, but I find it much more likely to be Ninja4ever or you.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 25 2008 02:49 GMT

#2617

On March 25 2008 11:47 Showtime! wrote:
Perhaps they're a bunch of gay robots.

Heh, heh. Good times. Heh, heh.

Cannot touch this!!

Amber what the hell have you been smoking?!?!

I need some of that.

Are you drunk again Showtime!?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 25 2008 03:09 GMT

#2628

Is there a rule against sabotaging the same person twice? Otherwise, why wouldn't they just sabotage ace again to stop the double lynch?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 25 2008 05:48 GMT

#2681

On March 25 2008 14:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:

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I wasn't aware Afghanistan had the raw materials necessary to make a dildo of this size and horsepower. You can't make sex toys out of crude oil and sand.

Umm plastic is made from petroleum, and glass is made from sand so...

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 25 2008 08:49 GMT

#2699

On March 25 2008 17:41 wurm wrote:
Damn, guess i deleted my other sentence in that 2nd paragraph. Basically, it's just wait for the detectives and Ace find out who's mafia and let us townies throw all our votes at that one guy!

Really takes away from the game, especially for a townie.

Well once mobsters like Mandalor and (allegedly) you stop making mistakes and outing yourselves to Ace it will be up to townies to dig up the clues for the detectives to investigate. Using the fact that Ace has a working plan is hardly a reason to disobey his orders. Especially since nothing is stopping you from digging up clues or accusing people based on strange actions just as you would in any other mafia game. Ace only has these foolproof ways to find mafia at the moment so he might as well take them. Eventually I assume he will need good clue interpretations.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 25 2008 09:25 GMT

#2711

Hmm let's see wurm...
He seems to like to use smilies a lot, could be Mr. Brown.
Wurms are kind of like snakes, now where was it that I heard snakes mentioned?
He knows where his towel is, possibly to mop up a "gooey substance".
He was born in 1988, the year of the dragon. Dragons swoop like Mr. Blonde. Also those born in the year of the dragon are known to be vigorous, strong, and self-assured but also tyrannical and violent so he could be a suspect as the mafia leader.
He's from the Philippines so umm... OK I can't think of anymore clues but the point is that if you feel bored by Ace's plan you can just look for random clues on people like this.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 25 2008 10:30 GMT

#2714

While I agree that there isn't really much evidence against Wurm (all of my clues were obviously not serious), I think that if there is a mafia medic then that problem needs to be taken care of.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 26 2008 08:53 GMT

#2885

Cool our mayor is now a siege tank. Blow those mafia to pieces Ace!

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 26 2008 09:47 GMT

#2897

On March 26 2008 18:32 Alethios wrote:

See this is just me, but unless somebody asks Chuiu a question... I haven't seen him answer any.

If we get an answer from Chuiu about this, saying that the question would yield "plain mafia", I will of course withdraw any and all comments regarding Ace's allegiance.

That being said, I'm still convinced there are more efficient methods for tomorrows vote.

Of course asking chuiu for someone's role would reveal mafia as their role. Otherwise what would be the point of having the power? It would be sort of pointless for a detective to have a power that could only discover blues but not distinguish between mafia and town. Mafia is a role, just like townie is a role. I don't understand why you would think otherwise.

edit: typo

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 26 2008 09:50 GMT

#2899

You'd have to be pretty paranoid not to trust Ace at this point.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 26 2008 11:31 GMT

#2906

On March 26 2008 20:24 Showtime! wrote:
First of all, I don't have to post shit in response to your retardness because why would I plant anything in the mafia's head? Do you think I'm stupid? Get your head out of your ass. You really couldn't buy a clue. :. you must be mafia. You have no idea of who my suspects are dumbass. Do you honestly think I would post my elaborate plan for the public? I don't think so. I'm glad you're going to be gone soon.

Naaaa, naaaa, na, naaaa, naaaa, naaaa, heeeeey, heeeeey, heeeeey goooood-bye!

Who are you talking to?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 03:02 GMT

#2974

I'm pretty sure Max is mafia because he could be named after Max Cherry from Jackie Brown. (Tarantino movie)

Edit: also I think that this is the first appearance of California Mountain Snake

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 03:21 GMT

#2988

I'm not sure I understand the bugz singing connection. Is it because he has a Jimi Hendrix quote or because bugs bunny occasionally sang or what?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 03:30 GMT

#2997

Hmm well the Second night sounded like an EMP but this one he just took out batteries didn't he? You don't need an Electromagnetic Pulse to take out batteries. I think it might be Energies, since he is also from Australia like the Taipan Snake.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 03:41 GMT

#3003

Why isn't Queasy under more suspicion of being Mafia? I was just taking a quick glance at the list of players and his name fits Sidewinder perfectly. Sidewinder was sickly looking, then hungover, and caused someone to throw up. All of which have to do with being Queasy.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 03:50 GMT

#3005

Once again, Max DOES fit the mafia code names. All of the code names are from Quentin Tarantino movies and Max was a character in Jackie Brown.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 03:58 GMT

#3010

Hmm you may have a point. All of the other code names were bad characters in the movies (working against the law in some way or another). Max, on the other hand, was a good guy. I think he was a bail bondsman. Anyway, I guess just because he has a Tarantino name doesn't necessarily mean he was mafia.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 05:06 GMT

#3058

So are we going to double lynch or not?

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 27 2008 07:29 GMT

#3087

On March 27 2008 16:00 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:

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Something related to the snakes or some sort. Not too clear myself.

It had nothing to do with snakes or any clues at all. It was some problem where there were to many medics reporting and somehow wurm was suspected to be the fake mafia medic. I think it was because he refused to follow Aces plans, or failed some test ace had to see if he was telling the truth or something.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

March 29 2008 23:51 GMT

#3485

I don't think there were any clues pointing to mandalor. At least none that were found before he was discovered as mafia.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

April 02 2008 01:53 GMT

#3579

Well I think that this is pretty clear evidence against Ninja4ever.

+ Show Spoiler +

J/K very funny chuiu

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

April 03 2008 06:37 GMT

#3606

So Showtime! didn't have a special role? Pretty good trick if you ask me.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

April 03 2008 09:02 GMT

#3635

Queasy was pretty a pretty obvious link to sidewinder. This adds to my suspicion of energies and Ninja4ever because the only thing that had me doubting them was that their links to clues were too obvious.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

April 05 2008 22:48 GMT

#3765

On April 06 2008 07:31 BlindAlbino wrote:
Is in interest of all who condemn the future, and live in past, to become one vote from outer dimension. With open mind and furnished instincts we will find mafia this lynch.
From apple to zebra we take one step at time until we fall down stairs or build foundation.

with this in your mind you know its correct vote araav.

Well I don't know what you just said but I believe araav was checked by a DT and confirmed innocent.

Edit: Are you saying we should do this alphabetically? That is not only a bad strategy but it is not very fun either. To each his own I suppose...

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

April 06 2008 06:17 GMT

#3775

On April 06 2008 13:52 qrs wrote:

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What is the basis for this belief?

Showtime's comments in the thread about wasting role checks as well as scorch's comment a couple pages back saying that Showtime! (who was proven innocent and was in the IRC channel) sent him a PM calling araav a stupid townie. Also the fact that it would be pretty necessary to check him after the events described and there was no call to lynch/vigilante hit after the IRC incident settled. I guess Ace could probably confirm or deny this.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

May 16 2008 05:51 GMT

#5549

Die mafia bunny!!

A weekend without Plexa? We are doomed.

Pangolin

United States1035 Posts

May 20 2008 06:18 GMT

#5642

Clazziqui I doubt that your attempted rebellion is going to get many followers seeing as you are already the top mafia suspect. In fact this is making you seem even more suspicious. I don't think that killing blues is worth all of the mafioso that we have caught under the rule of Plexa and Ace since there was so many fewer mafia to start with.