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On March 19 2008 18:08 Ghar wrote:
No love for Ghar? =[

On March 19 2008 11:58 Ace wrote:
Needless to say I'm very,very uncomfortable with Empyrean even being Pardoner nevertheless Mayor.

Seriously people that are voting for Empyrean what exactly are you basing this vote off of?

The fact that he played well last round even though he was Mafia?
The wrong thinking that since he was Mafia last round that he surely can't be Mafia this round?

Those 2 points are clearly not going to help choose a Good Mayor. But that isn't my problem with his candidacy - this is:

He role claimed Detective.

This one action brings out a major problem. At this point we can't verify that Empyrean is legit as a DT. We pretty much have to go on blind trust, and I'm begging those of you who have played this game before to recall what happens when we act on blind faith. Nothing good will come out of it. Why would someone claim a key role like that early, saying that they fear they would be killed at night? If he really was acting in the best interest of the town, he would realize that as a key target the Medics would protect him and how that simple action puts a spin on the Mafia killing power. But he went the selfish route.

Even more so, Empyrean never had a plan until myself and Ghar put plans up. He never even read the original plans and even got qsr's plan analyzed WRONG. How can this guy be a good candidate even though he didn't read many of the posts that are the main focus of discussion right now?

But besides all of that, the final nail in the coffin is the fact that everyone says Empyrean is a good player.

As any good mafia player will tell you, role claiming is a great strategy - only when done at the right time.

The very beginning of the game when nothing can be proved, Empyrean an acclaimed good player role claims. He even admits that it can't be proved but we should just trust him.

Think this out guys. A GOOD player that has not acted on logic, has not posted a plan till later in voting, and is running on a platform of "trust me based on my actions last game" which have no bearing on his status this game. HOW is this going to help us survive?
He has not done anything so far that shows me or many others he is capable of acting in the best interest of the town and has even admitted it. Empyrean is smart - and he certainly isn't running on a platform that shows that. It's a trust platform, and right now the best thing we can do is vote based on plans of action and leadership NOT trust - because that can't be proven until later.

Stop voting for him. I may have a slight lead right now, but by tomorrow who knows how the voting will stack up. I may even never get the Mayor position. I'm not comfortable with a guy who's acting selfishly and irrationally on Day 1 in any position of power. Even if he is Pardoner I'd be worried.

Once I again I'm begging you guys to reconsider.

On March 21 2008 10:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:

But I don't believe you can hide your voting power. You can't spread your votes out so your vote would always be higher than other townies IF he wasn't roleblocked, meaning he would actually be roleblocked WITHOUT a DT confirming this would show he was targeted by a mafia member. So we wouldn't need a DT to confirm mafia targeted him, which would imply his innocence also.

I believe Ace now. 100%. In day, when he votes we will see him only having 1 vote and that should show us his true face regardless of a DT stepping forward. Thank you Saboteur.

You will know who your fellow mafia members are and get the ability to kill townies each night.

During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (its a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time).

On March 23 2008 21:45 BWdero wrote:


I dont know, I assumed that mafia just sent in a list. You cant have mafia individually hit someone since there are 20 mafia and only 9 kills.

On March 23 2008 22:22 Empyrean wrote:


Heh. In the first game, I feigned ignorance about how the mafia operated.

If you're mafia, don't think that this trick'll save you :O

On April 11 2008 16:49 Plexa wrote:
As we are looking for an Electricity connection, the Storm (and hence ID) don't really apply to this aspect of Taipan. Also, the juxtaposition of the name is also lacking from Taipan - hence it is fairly safe to assume that TranceStorm is not Taipan Snake and hence Trancestorm is not mafia.

On April 11 2008 17:33 Plexa wrote:
fair enough, i would argue that the juxtaposition isn't a central argument but is something which increases the chance of him being innocent. But the clue should match pretty seamlessly to one particular profile trait of the mafia

On April 14 2008 20:08 MTF wrote:
Stalled myself out for a moment to retrieve BlindAlbino's voting record:

BlindAlbino

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: str
Day 3: str
Day 4: araav
Day 5: EvilMonkey and Siefu.

Interesting to note: Both Queasy and BlindAlbino originally voted for Ace, and then switched over to randombum near the end of the vote count.

People that did similar moves:

Clazziquai
Hollander
Crazie-penguin (though for good enough reasons)
GeneralStan
LTT
Unforgiven_ve
0cz3c
Myself (I seem to get caught in suspicious places constantly. XD)

People of suspicion who also voted randombum:

Suresh0t
GrayArea (Just have a sort of feeling, dunno if there's anything to it.)
BWdero
Ninja4ever.
Lysithea
L


Just throwing it out there, particularly because the day 1 post mentioned the "right mayor" being elected and randombum also being on the Mandalor list.

On April 14 2008 20:54 MTF wrote:


Yeah, I hoped the same. There's still a lot of suspects in the randombum group, though.

Also, check out my first post on page 216. I compiled all the Mandalor list/known Mafia votes right after Evilmonkey got lynched. It doesn't help much, but it's a quick reference for now. :p

On April 14 2008 20:54 Plexa wrote:
haha MTF is a machineeeee

I've been trying to crack Mr Red for daysssss well, ever since i cracked Taipan

On April 22 2008 12:52 MTF wrote:


I can guess at one of a few scenarios to pass the time.

1: The most paranoid suggestion, that Mafia were waiting for L to get in and tell them who he's on tonight.

2: Crazie and/or Blind were the ringleader(s) and now with them gone, Mafia has become a chicken without a head.

3. They're just taking their time.


Personally, number 2 appeals to me the most. : x

On April 25 2008 21:36 MTF wrote:
As a general side-note, we now have EVERYBODY who is playing and isn't dead/innocent in a list, whether Mandalor, Showtime!, or Non-Mandalor.

This means, no matter who Mafia kills from now on, they up our chances of finding them systematically.

On May 11 2008 19:05 Plexa wrote:
i've been over the profiles so many times and im so certain about this - like d.arkive sure

On May 14 2008 21:28 Camlito wrote:


That's interesting because when i read the people who voted for ninja, your name just didn't stand out as suspicious, rather kf91 and araav, and ofcourse unforgiven.

Edit: Plexa who is this UNOforgiven person... hmm...

On May 22 2008 21:22 Plexa wrote:
i feel confident in;
The Wolf = jtan
Mr Black = jimtudor (mandalor)
Copperhead = 0cz3c (mandalor)

somewhat confident in;
Mr Pink = Rowdierbob
Californian Mountain Snake = Bockit

this in addition to the list a couple pages back pretty much sums up my thoughts

On May 27 2008 09:06 L wrote:
Because I dont' want anyone thinking that mafia cheated this game. We've had the entire irc hacker incident, multiple instances of townies pming info around after being dead. Mafia's tried its best to keep playing by the rules, and I don't want anyone thinking we've bent the rules and broken into PMs or cheated to find the list.

Mandalor was searching for threads with his name in it, and he got the entire list. The IRC incident was another fluke that we'll explain after the game. There's a few other things, but when we write up what happened on our side you'll see what i'm talking about.



None of the living members can up and reveal themselves to explain that we aren't cheating, so that forces one of the dead ones to act as a representative.

On June 05 2008 20:18 nemY wrote:
It's cool.

Personally I'm all for lynching Bockit then going with 0cz3z essentially following what Plexa & Ace gave us, then moving on from there

On June 24 2008 14:01 suresh0t wrote:
you guys take shit so personally

On July 06 2008 13:34 Plexa wrote:
oh if only i was living

On August 05 2008 19:41 Ace wrote:
bockit how the hell did you know WHERE the channel was?

thats the part I dont get. Even if the channel was unpassworded how did you knew it existed?

and even though Plexa gets a lot of credit, Camlito was the genius behind a lot of stuff. Really there were a lot of people that did much.

very good game though. Even though I don't think Mafia would have won if you killed plexa early (Camlito was still alive) it is what it is.

good game.

On August 05 2008 19:55 Ace wrote:
also about the DT thing: I was actually shocked myself. I was hoping I didn't have to resort to having more than 4 DTs so early to have to pick out.

And of course I couldn't exactly go "hey whats empyrean's role" so that was moot. Mandalor tipped me off though in a reply PM that he knew what New104 was, like I figured he would putting 2 and 2 together, and I just scratched the role check plan. I think it was Caller that was like lets go ahead with the mass vote checking plan.

When the IRC incident happened I was like thank god not all my bodyguards were ever in that channel so I just figured we could live a bit long. Also that IRC thing DID kill decaf. I had a plan with Plexa about how to figure it out and it turned out Kh101 was ALSO a legit blue. We were hoping that the worst case scenario didn't happen and it did.

As for randombum being elected Mayor, I do remember saying hey townies lets not fuck me over. If RB got Mayor the game would have been chaotic. I could see him saying fuck your BG plan and shitting on everyone asap.

As fo is it worth it for Mafia to take mayor and sacrifice themselves: at the beginning I said no. Just checking the vote list would incriminate a lot of people. But now I have mixed feelings. There were a lot of things I did as Mayor that probably seemed questionable - but I have no choice. As Mayor you pretty much have to be the "leader" and the person "in charge". Have to take a lot of shit from retarded townies, have to try an sift through bullshit PMs (I think LTT sent me something), and also try and keep people focused and on the right track.

After this game I think if a Mafioso gets Mayor the town is in some shit. The fact that I was protected and pretty much confirmed innocent let a lot of people speak through me and keep themselves alive for a long time.