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On April 15 2008 15:11 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2008 14:30 Ace wrote:also if the #s in Snake Charmer's paragrapg add up to 46 the next day it's we assume Master of Chaos is mafia right?  Yes, though I feel already that it's pretty strongly evident as is.
I can't believe you actually think your convoluted numerology constitutes strong evidence. No offense--you did great with BlindAlbino, but the Master of Chaos "clue" is absurdly strained: + Show Spoiler +Cottonmouth:
Cottonmouth is surrounded by numbers. By counting up the number references in the Day posts he shows up in, we arrive at this:
Day 2:
Specific numbers mentioned:
2, 1, 1, 4, 3, 1, 3, 3, 4, 1, 4 = 27
Number placements:
once, fourth, = 5
Name (OneBlueAugust):
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 10
Total: 42 (40 + day 2)
Day 4:
Specific numbers mentioned:
5, 6, 3 = 14
Name (New104):
1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4, 1, 0, 4 = 30
Total: 44 (40 + day 4)
#40 on the participant list is MasterOfChaos.
I don't know whether MoC is Mafia or not, but I'd bet a thousand dollars that your evidence has nothing to do with it.
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On April 15 2008 20:04 MTF wrote:
Also, the fact that the numbers that come up when these two days added are just two apart and that by subtracting the SPECIFIC day that it was on you come up with 40 both times, I find little room for coincidence. It's not "also"--it's necessary to your interpretation. I find plenty of room for coincidence.No offense, but your logic is shoddy. It's not a matter of logic but of judgement. I'll say no more of it now--if you've convinced people, they'll vote for him--but after the game (if not earlier) we'll see whether you were right. I'll be stunned if you are.
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On April 15 2008 20:49 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2008 20:48 qrs wrote:On April 15 2008 20:04 MTF wrote:
Also, the fact that the numbers that come up when these two days added are just two apart and that by subtracting the SPECIFIC day that it was on you come up with 40 both times, I find little room for coincidence. It's not "also"--it's necessary to your interpretation. I find plenty of room for coincidence. No offense, but your logic is shoddy. It's not a matter of logic but of judgement. I'll say no more of it now--if you've convinced people, they'll vote for him--but after the game (if not earlier) we'll see whether you were right. I'll be stunned if you are. Read the above and reply again. I was going to leave it at that, but since you posted while I was writing that, and since you specifically tell me to reply, I will:
1) Chuiu has never based clues off people's numbers in the list and I don't think he ever will. This is an important point, because it makes it MUCH easier to twist the clues to point at anyone you like. Everyone has a number, not just people like Eti307 (and by the way, I think it's more likely that some of the numbers [3-0-7 nails] point at him than at MoC), and the numbers go in increments of one. That means all I have to do is find a couple of tweaks to your count to make the clue point at someone else. It also means that ANY number you came up with would point at someone.
2) You don't count things like "a", "the", "another", because they are not literal numbers, but you do count "once". That's not a number any more than "a" is.
3) Subtract the number of the day? That strikes me as particularly tortured. You only do it to make your count consistent.
I do think the numbers--OR SOME OF THEM--are probably a clue. I don't think you've interpreted that clue though.
If you still disagree, fine, you're welcome to. The truth will come around in the end.
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On April 15 2008 21:15 MTF wrote:
1: Just because he hasn't doesn't mean he wouldn't. You say it's easy to twist the clues, but reading my bold/capitalized you can clearly see I haven't done anything but count numeric references. ALL of them that are specifically numeric and NONE that are not. And you've yet to provide any specific "tweaks".
*sigh* I hardly think it's necessary, but to make you happy I had a look to see what I could tweak and I noticed that you had inexplicably failed to bold "two knives met his hands". Oh, hey, now the numbers both add up to 44! They must point at str! (sarcasm, but that would still be marginally more convincing than your original version).
2: If you wanna be stubborn about it... No, I don't want to be stubborn about it. I wasn't going to post again until you specifically told me to. I'm not going to debate "once" vs. "a" with you now, because it's not worth the effort. Neither one is a cardinal number. Both refer to single things. If you see a difference between them, that's great.
Why do you keep criticizing without trying to point out where exactly I'm wrong and provide your own analysis?
Honestly, you're either very stubborn or protecting MoC. I don't truly know which to feel is more likely.
I did point out where I felt your analysis was stretched. I can't say "wrong" because there's no proof per se against your concoction (nor against any other 'clues'). I just don't find it very credible.
I've said I'm willing to drop this. You're the one who's being stubborn. I know you're proud of your detective work, but that doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with you is Mafia.
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I don't have much confidence in Ace's judgment, since it has been wrong more often than it has been right so far. Meanwhile, unless I missed something when I was catching up on the thread, the whole accusation against L was based on a mistake that L pointed out and Chuiu confirmed. Therefore, as far as we know, there is no case against L at the moment. (Of course, the Mafia knows he's a medic now: too bad...)
I will not be voting for L this lynch. I'll probably vote suresh0t because of the clues that seem to point at him. (summary: + Show Spoiler +1)sure shot: 1-hit kill with nail thrown down hall; twice says that Caller tried to dodge but couldn't. 2) signature: apology for taking on God (authority) but someone has to do it, corresponds with the Wolf's apology to Chuiu for killing him (Chuiu was an authority figure in the Mafia). 3) Profile pic: hammer--goes with nails.
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On April 17 2008 17:12 Ace wrote:
@qrs: there's so much I have to take care of behind the scenes you've got no idea why things keep going wrong. I've literally had over 100 PMs about all kinds of stuff this game and it's not easy trying to decipher the liars from the innocent. Either way everything I've done so far has brought the town closer to victory. What exactly have you done besides criticize from day 1? OK, maybe. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes and I don't know whether everything you've done so far has brought the town closer to victory, so I'm not commenting on that. All I see is the final results, and based on those so far, I'm not ready to vote for someone just on your say-so. If L turns out to be Mafia, I'll get behind you again. If he turns out to be townie, I'll be that bit more skeptical of you. So we'll see.
People are saying that L is a suspect for other reasons. Can anyone summarize them for me, please?
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Show nested quote +On April 18 2008 00:14 MTF wrote:On April 17 2008 23:30 qrs wrote:
People are saying that L is a suspect for other reasons. Can anyone summarize them for me, please? 1. L was asked to protect decafchicken on Night 5. 2. created L as a "force of justice" why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can". 3. L Lawliet (エル・ローライト, Eru Rōraito?), commonly referred to by his alias "L" (エル, Eru?), is a fictional character in the manga and anime series Death Note. He is considered the world's greatest detective, noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. 4. Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts. 5. Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive." - As well as many other specific physical references to his creation here.Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground
1) Not that strong: for all we know, L did protect decaf, but it's something.
2) OK.
3) weakish.
4) OK.
5) Don't think this one is a clue: L wasn't drawn as unattractive in the end, and there isn't so much evidence that Enigma is unattractive.
Overall the evidence seems fairly good, though, although I still like suresh0t better. Thanks for clarifying.
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On April 18 2008 00:31 Plexa wrote:
qrs who do you feel is the stronger suspect then?
They both seem pretty strong to me. suresh0t seems to have more things pointing directly to details of his profile, whereas with L it's more of an overall reference to the character L: enigmatic, concerned about justice, possible connection to a detective (hmm, it just occurred to me that the note could be a reference to "death note", too). I favor suresh0t slightly, but L would likely be my second choice. The only other issue is that he may be a medic. I guess we need to trust Ace to handle that end of things.
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On April 18 2008 00:37 Camlito wrote:
how the fuck is sureshot enigma again?
because so far hes like 4 people lol. The Wolf. One person.
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^your wikipedia link was to the main article L, which was about the letter. no matter
Wow, awesome, araav (the blog post especially).
On April 18 2008 14:06 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +Alright, so once again, old references brought to the forefront. I'll note that Heros pointed this out right after I put up the definition of his name, and Plexa + associate PM'ed me about his name connecting again. I wasn't quite sold on it earlier, but as we find that mafia connections are usually simpler than not, I'm leaning towards mafia. Ziel as The Wolf:First, the translation: Ziel
German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul. The Wolf, as I'm sure everyone knows by now, is incredibly accurate and has several "target" references. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. The italic in the last just makes sure to note that it was made clear his attack was, again, something most probably thrown. Now, qrs made a good argument for suresh0t being The Wolf instead, but at this point in the game, I feel the most natural connections are the strongest ones. So, I feel, along with Plexa and his associate, that Ziel is the strongest candidate we have for Wolf. You're saying that a German translation that means target is a more natural connection to accuracy than "sure shot"? Can't say I agree with that...
To add to the possible evidence against suresh0t, there's a reference to the Wolf carrying debris out of a building (after d.arkive's suicide blast). Why would anyone do that? It sounds a bit like a construction worker (the hammer again). Granted, this particular connection is a bit weak, but does anyone have a better explanation for "carrying a pile of debris"?
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Cool, good job with crazie-penguin. I have to admit that I was skeptical about the evidence, but I was wrong; nice work.
Re Eti307, let me remind you of something someone else suggested a while ago (forgot who it was): the number of nails Cottonmouth uses may relate to Eti: 7 stabbed in the back, 3 thrown but missed, 1 not thrown at all (stopped by the Wolf, = 0). That would connect him to Cottonmouth rather than Joe, but it's something else to keep in mind. (307 doesn't fit with the number of knives, though, so I'm not really sold on this.)
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MTF, for God's sake, stop adding up the stupid numbers! It was unconvincing from the start, and it's only getting more and more strained.
The only numbers we care about are the weapons Cottonmouth uses. Haven't you noticed that there are always 15?
edit: It's not %100 clear. I assume that the two that klive dodged were the same two that Cottonmouth threw and I count the five nails lying on the ground but I don't count the nail that the Wolf took from Cottonmouth.
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On April 23 2008 21:12 Plexa wrote:
Todays Lynching
L and ulszz unless anyone has any objections (L we don't care about yours)
I have a slight objection to lynching L unless we have no other good suspects. Reason: 1) There's still the possibility that he's a medic and 2) even if he isn't, we can still use him as one to a degree. E.g. if we want to keep Plexa alive (or someone else--no one too important, though), just keep telling L to protect him. Either L lets him die and we lynch L then, or he lives.
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On April 24 2008 11:39 Amber[LighT] wrote:
If we can somehow manage to lynch the saboteur today that will put us at a great advantage since we will no longer be role-blocked, which prevented us from a 2x lynch yesterday, and we need to utilize those for the remainder of the game.
Not really such a big deal: there are only 4 double-lynches left.
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On April 27 2008 17:32 Plexa wrote:
also note that qrs has been resistant to Ace/Town since Day 0 and generally annoying to everyone involved.
Can't comment on the generally annoying part--sorry, I guess--but what is "resistant to Town" supposed to mean? I've voted, commented if I thought some clue interpretation was convincing/unconvincing. What else is a good townie supposed to do?
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Another one-shot kill for the Wolf.
And another clue pointing at suresh0t: the whole pointing charade between him and Eddie may connect to his sig: "Please forgive me for questioning divinity, it's an ugly job but I think I'm up for it". It's already been pointed out that this fits with the killing of Chuiu (attacking authority-figure, apologizing for it); it may fit with LastRomantic as well. Neither mafioso wants to be the one to kill him (pointing to the other guy to do it) but finally it's the Wolf who is up to taking on the "ugly job". As a staff member...well, I won't say LastRomantic is a divinity, but maybe close enough for Chuiu's purposes.
(Gee, I hope I'm not wrong about suresh0t--that would make this crusade of mine embarrassing.)
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He could be Mr. Blue, as well, with the general theme of incompetence.
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What is this "controversial list"?
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On May 05 2008 11:51 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2008 03:20 Scorch wrote:On May 04 2008 22:08 Plexa wrote:On May 04 2008 21:59 qrs wrote:
What is this "controversial list"? oh it basically means that.. + Show Spoiler [innocent] +Pangolin
Naib
BWDero
SoleSteeler
(Last Romantic)
(Zeks)
Ahrara
0cz3c and + Show Spoiler [mafia] +
One of;
LostYourSkills vs Lysithea
STR vs NatsuTerran vs LTT
And increases the likelihood of
GeneralStan
Nightmare
infinity21
being mafia
Huh? Where does this come from? I'd like to know how you pull such deductions out of your hat. If i revealed it i would be laughed at  pm me if you are really curious
You can't expect us to take your list seriously if you don't tell us what it's about. If the reason you don't post it is that you would be laughed at, it sounds like it's pretty shaky evidence.
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