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Aotearoa39261 Posts
this is the pivotal time in this mafia game - there is an abundance of clues and i encourage every single active member to look for the traits i post up. Seeing as i am now a principle Mafia target everyone needs to know how to analyse these clues - beacuse MAFIA CAN'T BULLSHIT THEIR WAY OUT OF A CLUE.
Hence i present to you;
How to catch Mafia 101
By Plexa
Teamliquid Final Edits
When pinning mafia to clues there a number of factors one must consider;
 Clues take a single point from a player and extrapolate it out into a thematic idea.
Example one; d.arkive had his profile picture linking to "DC" and the mysterious device. That single image was extrapolated into a thematic use of electricity and a recurring device. One feature -> Mafia theme
Example two; Queasy had no information in his profile at all, thus the only clue could come from his name - Queasy. By definition Queasy means feeling sick. This definition was extrapolated into a thematic "sickly appearance" of sidewinder. One feature -> Mafia theme
Example three; Links aren't always clearcut, Quesidilla from Mafia 1 had a in his profile picture a sign saying "Real men proxy". This quote was extrapolated into the thematic strength/close quarters engagements with his character in mafia one - a hard clue but still; One feature -> Mafia theme
 Players with many connections to a possible clue are not mafia.
This overlaps with point one, but it really needs to be emphasized.
Example 1; Ghar had many clues pertaining to him (e.g the Mayoral campaign, various clue references) and there was a really strong case for him being mafia. However, as the clues weren't pertaining to a single defining feature of him - he was innocent and we lynched him.
Example 2; Shadowdrgn had a number of references/dual meanings of his name and profile which linked nicely to Mr Blonde. However there was simply too stronger connection between the two - and sadly (as we learned) he too turned out to be town.
Its important to remember this as it allows many people to be instantly discarded from being Mafia
 Never mix traits up between mafia
Unlike the first game, these clues are pertain to one mafia only. For instance the thematic idea of gazes meeting (before day 4) was linked to two different mafia therefore is NOT a thematic connection to a mafia; merely a coincidence.
 Mafia codenames have no relevance to the player.
The names are derived from various Tarentino movies and hence purely placeholders. This is important when you look at characters like Mr Pink in relation to HeRoS)PiNK and the like who have pink in their name. The connection is purely fictitious therefore avoid it at all times.
Great, now we have a basic understanding of how these clues work, so how do we apply them? There are two methods, i identified Queasy using one, and d.arkive using the other so both are valid methods.
Take a player, analyse his profile for possible themes that could arise
This is how i caught d.arkive. I saw his profile and checked out his varying bits of information. Keeping in mind a vague idea of Mafia traits (e.g. Taipan Snakes use of "direct current") his picture eventually clicked with me. DC, direct current. Upon investigating the connection further - everything could be extrapolated from the picture; mafia identified
Take a mafia role, analyse the traits against various profiles
This is how i caught Queasy. Thinking about Sidewinder i knew that there would be a clue linking to sickness. After checking out a number of profiles i came to the conclusion that the most relevant clue to sickness was indeed Queasy - and hence it transpired that he was sidewinder.
Both of these methods are suited for particular situations. I'll do an example, analysing two confirmed innocent players - myself and TranceStorm. I will analyse myself using method one, and trancestorm using method two with the mafia Taipan Snake.
Plexa
Name: No meaning what so ever, no definitions, no abstract meanings no nothing. (origins actually come from the number "Googalplex" taking the plex at the end and adding an A, but anyone who gets that is a freak)
Signature: Clues possibly deriving from being a fan of someone, admiration perhaps? Progamer references are unlikely to be clues thus can be disregarded. Also perhaps a clue linking to the blogs - perhaps writing utencils?
Profile: Picture is of Plexa standing in from of the Tan Tien Buddha in Hong Kong thus perhaps some religious connection or perhaps a connection to asia
Rationalisation
Using the absolute clue hypothesis (see Clue analysis 201) clues must pertain to the entire section of the profile. Thus, as the signature has two very different focii a combination of fanboyism and blogging has no connections to any of the mafia profiles. Similarly when analyzing the picture clue we can reject any asian connections as there are far too many clues like that about hence we should focus on finding a religious theme - which is absent from mafia.
Hence Plexa is innocent.
TranceStorm
+ Show Spoiler [Taipan Snake] +He quickly ran through the yard towards his car parked out front but The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time.
They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device
Next door French_Toast was grabbing a midnight snack. He was headed to his computer room to check his email one last time before going to bed when he noticed all the batteries to some of his electronics have been removed and tossed on the floor. He bent down to pick them up and was just about done when Taipan Snake charged into him and knocked him to the ground. As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him French_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Eddie smashed the glass of the window and Taipan Snake grabbed French_Toast's head and they both used the remaining broken glass in the window pane to stab his neck with. It wasn't until they threw him through the window and he landed on his neighbors lawn darts did French_Toast die though.
Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean.
- Seems to be unarmed (not associated with weapons)
-> Used broken glass recently
-> Used a taser like device
- Electronics connection
-> Thematic disabling of electronics
-> Thematic use of electricity (DC?)
When we glance over at TranceStorm profile and try to match it to the mafia we get;
Name: You have an interesting juxtaposition of tranquility against ferocity thus you would expect some kind of explosive mafia, which is calm then erupts in a quick flurry. The alternative is to have links to a Storm - which only somewhat applies
Signature: Blank
Profile: Blank
As we are looking for an Electricity connection, the Storm (and hence ID) don't really apply to this aspect of Taipan. Also, the juxtaposition of the name is also lacking from Taipan - hence it is fairly safe to assume that TranceStorm is not Taipan Snake and hence Trancestorm is not mafia.
Well there you have it, happy analysing! I encourage anyone and everyone to start analysing clues for yourself. It's really easy, and with this outline the town should be hitting mafia in no time. Expect to see an updated list of profiles very shortly!!
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [eddie] +Eddie stood in front of them, gun pointing to Chuiu, ready to shoot at a moments notice. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner".
Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans.
Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.
Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off. They backed away from Yogurt and watched in anticipation expecting him to set off a bomb attached to his chest. He hit the switch and an explosion sent shock waves from across town. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat.
As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him Frenh_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Eddie smashed the glass of the window and Taipan Snake grabbed French_Toast's head and they both used the remaining broken glass in the window pane to stab his neck with. It wasn't until they threw him through the window and he landed on his neighbors lawn darts did French_Toast die though.
Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help"
Lenwe snatched up the piece of rebar and Mr. Red retreated to the new threat he posed. Eddie wasn't afraid to take on Lenwe, however, and charged strait at him grabbing the steel bar right out of his hand and knocking him to the ground with it. A few well placed blows and Lenwe was dead as well.
- Seems to be the leader of the group
- No preferred method of killing (darts/glass, steel bar and kicking so far)
- Seems to be very strong
+ Show Spoiler [sidewinder] +Grabbing Sidewinders arm, he flung him towards the group ahead of him. Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable. Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black.
Fortunately only four men stood in their path and OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after.
Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust.
In downtown Liquidia early in the morning LucasWoJ was sitting in his white van about to head into work when he noticed someone walking past him with an obvious hangover. He handed Sidewinder a drug to help him recover and started back to his van but Sidewinder reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a note. "LucasWoJ" was written on it and he quickly chased him and tackled him to the ground. LucasWoJ tried to fight back but was overwhelmed by the stench on the mans coat and became sick all over the sidewalk while Sidewinder was beating him. He recovered from being sick and pulled an anesthetic out of his pocket and stabbed Sidewinder with it, putting him to sleep. He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone. LucasWoJ waved him down and Joe got out of the car. "Is this your friend?" LucasWoJ asked as he pointed to Sidewinder, lying next to a pool of vomit. "Yeah thats him alright, always drinking a little too much" said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ.
- Sickly appearance
-> recurring theme of sickness
-> Sickness might be a result of heavy drinking (clue)
- Periods of extreme skill and extreme unease (ie alternating in talent)
(- One of four horsemen of the apocalypse?)
This mafia was Queasy
+ Show Spoiler [Joe] +"Just let us go, you can run things however you please once we're gone" he said, and with that turned to the nearest exit. A few paces and he thought he was home free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!". DapperDan flinched at the thought, he gauged the distance to the door and what he would need to do to get there.
Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans.
He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone. LucasWoJ waved him down and Joe got out of the car. "Is this your friend?" LucasWoJ asked as he pointed to Sidewinder, lying next to a pool of vomit. "Yeah thats him alright, always drinking a little too much" said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help, but I'm afraid my friend was supposed to give you something" said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead saying "he was supposed to kill you".
- Used a gun to kill LucasWoJ
- Perhaps a team player (supportive)
- Perhaps a connection to a Car? (vehicles used in recent clue)
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Blonde] +He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground.
He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead.
With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown.
He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot.
Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look.
"Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.
They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground.
- Catches opponents off gaurd
- Very physical, gets up close to opponents
+ Show Spoiler [King Brown Snake] +King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again.
New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there. New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself
King Brown Snake grabbed Caller's legs and he fell over after he lost his balance. Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake but wasn't in the clear yet.
- Thematic event of being pushed out of the way
(- Possible theme of meeting faces)
+ Show Spoiler [Cottonmouth] +Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. NeaX didn't care anymore, he started going to the front door when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle. He braced himself against the wall as he pulled them out with his good hand. He chucked them back at Cottonmouth and went to open the door again but one by one four more knived embraced his good arm.
NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target once more and finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back.
He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. As he was bending over to take a closer look Cottonmouth approached from behind and stabbed a nail into his back. He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab six more nails into him.
Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104
- Throws sharp objects (knives/nails)
- Delays killing for a long time
- Notice the repetition of numbers;
2-4-3-3-5-6-1
BREAKTHROUGH: Sum of numbers mentioned on each night = 12, 12 is the magic number people find me that number!
UPDATE: L = 12th letter
+ Show Spoiler [Snake Charmer] +Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door.
Snake Charmer wasn't just standing idle though as he slashed away at goldenkrnboi giving him one gruesome gash after another. He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off.
- Uses swords
(- Possible kill bill reference)
(- Not present in opening night)
+ Show Spoiler [Mr White] +Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door.
He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off.
Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look.
"I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.
But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.
- Brutally attacks heads
+ Show Spoiler [The Wolf] +The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.
He met gaze with The Wolf who was carrying some more debris from the building. Caller rolled to his right trying to dodge an attack from The Wolf but wasn't fast enough and took a vicious blow to the chest. He rolled to the side and started searching around for a weapon of his own as he jumped up from the ground.
- Lack of a theme at the moment
+ Show Spoiler [Black Mamba] +Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease.
Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.
Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off.
Black Mamba was a bit alarmed and tried to quiet the man, permanently, but ended up just bruising his face from stomping his foot around.
- Uses his legs to kill
- Recurring theme of bruised faces
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Brown] +As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring.
Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him.
Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
- Possibly yells alot
-> Thematic talking
- Armed with weapons, used his fists however
+ Show Spoiler [Taipan Snake] +He quickly ran through the yard towards his car parked out front but The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time.
They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device
Next door French_Toast was grabbing a midnight snack. He was headed to his computer room to check his email one last time before going to bed when he noticed all the batteries to some of his electronics have been removed and tossed on the floor. He bent down to pick them up and was just about done when Taipan Snake charged into him and knocked him to the ground. As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him French_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Eddie smashed the glass of the window and Taipan Snake grabbed French_Toast's head and they both used the remaining broken glass in the window pane to stab his neck with. It wasn't until they threw him through the window and he landed on his neighbors lawn darts did French_Toast die though.
Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean.
- Seems to be unarmed (not associated with weapons)
-> Used broken glass recently
-> Used a taser like device
- Electronics connection
-> Thematic disabling of electronics
-> Thematic use of electricity (DC?)
This mafia was d.arkive
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Red] +Great, DapperDan thought, as Sidewinder knocked over Mr. Red and Mr. Black.
Dinmsab has just put away Mandalor's file and was reviewing the clues from the previous crime scene this evening when he heard something smack his window. He stood up to investigate and peered outside to see a man hurling matter at the side of his house from the ground. The man beckoned him to come out but after inspecting his window he promptly gave him the finger and instead went to call the police.
Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier assaulting his house. Mr. Red charged toward Dinmsab at the same time Dinmsab let go of the door and started running out the garage. Dinsamb smashed into Mr. Red and knocked him off guard but almost lost balance himself. As he began picking up speed he heard something singing behind him. He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him.
He would have made it free but Mr. Red threw something on the ground ahead of him and he slipped on it and landed face first onto the ground. Mr. Red pounced on his back and started smashing his legs with a broken piece of rebar. Lenwe spun around and Mr. Red lost his balance and fell to the ground.
- Thematic event of Mr Red losing his balance and falling down
--- Very strong theme
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Black] +Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now.
Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Mr. Black disarmed JeeJee, twisting the bat to the side and bashed him over the head with it. As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life.
- Very Strong
- Fits a bouncer image
- Brutal
+ Show Spoiler [Enigma] +Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!"
The man on the far side introduced himself as Enigma and the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake. Well Dinmsab was getting really impatient at this point and demanded an explanation for what was going on. Enigma stood up and proclaimed "why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".
Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Along the way he noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. "Stop right there, you're under arrest for suspicion of murder" he called out, knowing he didn't really have the means to detain the man but would certainly try his best. Enigma grinned back at him and motioned someone to come to him. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground.
- Righteous
- Eager to to what he sees is right
--- Perhaps the clue changing relates to actions in the thread
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Pink] +"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock.
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.
Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
- Quiet, well composed
- Sadistic, violent
- Able fighter
-> Eager to fight
(- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse)
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Blue] +Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.
- Concerned with who will be mayor
- Last word
This mafia was Mandalor
+ Show Spoiler [Copperhead] +Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now. He backed up and Copperhead pulled a knife from his left pocket and said "well look here now, we've come to kill ya but yer gunna get a choice on how ya die, you can choose this here knife or whatevers in my right pocket". JeeJee saw his right pocket was bulging with something too large for it and motioned at the knife as he was backing into his kitchen to get a knife of his own to fight back with. Copperhead groaned "there no fun in that but I can't really argue, we gotta get this here done quick" so he ran towards JeeJee slashing with the knife. JeeJee not yet armed himself grabbed a towel next to him and wrapped it around Copperheads arm, he smashed it in the side of the wall and knocked the knife out of his hand. He grabbed the knife and pushed Copperhead aside as he ran towards the door to escape.
- Has an accent (possibly southern USA)
- Likes to torment/taunt his victims
+ Show Spoiler [California Mountain Snake] +the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake.
He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.
- Respectful
- Accurate to an insane degree
(- Possibly asian)
+ Show Spoiler [Mr Orange] +But as he was dialing he noticed the phone line had been cut.
Mr. Orange came down with a pair of wire clippers in hand and bashed Dinmsab on the back with them. Dinmsab used the momentum to dive forward instead of fall and regained his balance after a roll, he was standing right beside his garage door and took the opportunity to escape by going out it. Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier assaulting his house.
Meta had saw them and was running towards Mr. Orange and Black Mamba. "Why aren't you calling for help" asked Meta as he reached them. Mr. Orange shrugged and shot him in the leg. Meta fell to the ground and started screaming for help.
Mr. Orange finally put an end to his bellows and shot Meta in the head, ending his life.
- Recurring idea of being unable to call for help
--- This could be a pivotal clue
Total mafia count: 17
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Basically, if you want to gain some reputation try to find profiles to fit Mr Orange and Mr Red's patterns. I have a number of suspects for each but i want to see how the town analysing things so i know the town won't be lost if i get killed 
Also, Cottonmouth = 12, its the recurring number
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L, good game sir 
nice find pink
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as long as i am alive i dont want to see anymore lynchings around people without any substantial evidence to back it up. We're at a stage where we have a TON of information to go on, so there is no reason we shouldn't be using it.
If you think araav is mafia - great - prove it
EDIT: @ pink, i'll check it
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+ Show Spoiler [Enigma] +Appearance 1
Enigma ran his hand through his hair and said "So we're going to gut this town clean and take it over, eh? No more of this bullshit protection, thats grand!"
Appearance 2
The man on the far side introduced himself as Enigma and the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake. Well Dinmsab was getting really impatient at this point and demanded an explanation for what was going on. Enigma stood up and proclaimed "why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".
Appearance 3
Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Along the way he noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. "Stop right there, you're under arrest for suspicion of murder" he called out, knowing he didn't really have the means to detain the man but would certainly try his best. Enigma grinned back at him and motioned someone to come to him. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground.
- Righteous
- Eager to to what he sees is right
Truth be told enigma is a real enigma for me as there seems to be no common theme. But Siefu's quote is a perfect match for appearance 1 and 3.
"No more of this bullshit protection" - implies that Enigma was a bodyguard type role but really was mafia
The the note clue from the last appearance also reinforces this
However, appearance two is still eluding me... although that quote of his loosely applies...
i'll give Siefu a 80% chance of being mafia
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hence loosely applies.. its enough to get some searches going on these people though
+ Show Spoiler [Mandalor lynch] +List:Mandalor - 10 mafia, have removed dead
ShaLLoW[baY]
qrs
clazziquai
ahrara_
Falcynn
ZBiR
unsoundlogic
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
nemY
MidnightGladius
decafchicken
L
suresh0t
randombum
Lysithea
Artanis[Xp]
Ninja4ever.
Naib
SoleSteeler
RtS)Night[Mare
Jimtudor
GranDim
Alethios
0cz3c
Last Romantic
zeks
Unforgiven_ve
Energies
iNfuNdiBuLuM
SoMuchBetter
Camlito
fanatacist
ieatkids5
SonuvBob
Siefu
butidigress
Theres also people like SMB, SoleSteeler, MidnightGladius and suresh0t which are all suspects
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I'd also like to propose that smurfingchobo is mafia, consider that and tell me what you think
Also consider Siefu as Joe
Also, investigate SoMuchBetter and LoStYouRSkiLLS
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People, fuck the lists.
They are a great aid but we shouldn't be pushing them any further.
Rather than take a guess and go "OH EASY 1/3 CHANCE = INSTA WIN" sit back, check the players, and see what the clues spell out.
Rational arguments based on clues are hard to deny, argue or even counter.
On that note L is mafioso. Yes Cottonmouth threw 15 knives, but the important thing how the clues are worded. Why say that he threw 3 knives into each of his legs and 3 into his back? Why is it worded so? Summing the numbers stated you get 12 and given the lack of evidence pertaining to L this is a damming clue against him. This clue is very much alike to Queasy and Sidewinder and should not be lightly dismissed simply.
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Fair enough, but for now my suspicions are sufficiently high to be thinking L.
In your case you have the descending numbers 15, 14, next comes 13 - find be a profile which has descending numbers from 15 and ill change my mind.
For now then (i suppose) look at Siefu (who's been neglected)
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+ Show Spoiler [quotes] +On April 11 2008 12:51 LTT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2008 12:31 Plexa wrote:
Fair enough, but for now my suspicions are sufficiently high to be thinking L.
In your case you have the descending numbers 15, 14, next comes 13 - find be a profile which has descending numbers from 15 and ill change my mind.
For now then (i suppose) look at Siefu (who's been neglected) Now I'm confused. None of the numbers add up to 12 unless you start making a complicated set of rules which eliminates the evidence against L but he is still your leading suspect until we find evidence for a clue that might not be a clue? As I said in my PM, we have to be wary of holding grudge suspisions and forcing evidence to fit those descriptions. Last game, I exchanged PMs with SonuvBob trying to figure out who was mafia. During the game, Live2Win used his mod powers to edit another player's post. That pissed me off so I was convinced that we has mafia. Every day I'd get more and more upset at the town for missing painfully obvious clues. I was convinced he was lying about being a medic. It turns out, he wasn't. If you start with a suspect who you are sure is mafia, you are sure to find "evidence" in all those words from Chuiu and the thousands of posts in this thread. If we are going to play based on clues and evidence, which seems to be our best shot at this point, we need to keep the suspicion proportionate to the evidence. When the evidence disappears, our suspicions should diminish proportionately. What you are currently doing doesn't seem to be different from Ace deciding to lynch qrs because he is upset with him. It can't come from anger and then lead to evidence. You have been the best at deciphering clues thus far so we need you in top form to keep seeing red text on day and night posts. Even if L, or qrs, turns out to be mafia, we've made the wrong move if there are any better suspects with evidence behind them. Over the long run, we are going to die if we play like this.
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Strong mafia themes
Mr Pink
- Silent and Sadistic
Mr Red
- Continually fall over
King Brown Snake
- Gets pushed out of the way
Mr Orange
- Recurring theme of being unable to call for help
Black Mamba
- Recurring theme of bruised faces
Mr Blonde
- Always catches victims off guard/by surprise
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lets do some motherfucking analysis on those 6 okay
Alventenie
Name: No meaning
Signature: None
Profile: None
Picture: None
Therefore unlikely to be mafia
Imderek
Name: He's derek -.-;
Profile: "For thou dost know, O Damon dear,
This realm dismantled was
Of Jove himself; and now reigns here
A very, very--pajock."
- Hamlet
Signature: keke
Picture: none
Clues are very few - would be working off perhaps the Hamlet quote (swordfights? xD). Seeing as he was mafioso last game, i doubt chuiu would have many more clues to link to him thus low probability of mafia.
Evilmonkey
Name: Could link to agility and sadism. Looking for mobility ala a monkey with traits of sadistic deaths
Signature: It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to give them the finger.
Picture: Hydralisk
Profile: None
Strongest clues from here are from his name. We'd be looking for the things i laid out above. Possibly some clues relating to rudeness as an alternative trait. As we haven't seen much of rudeness the clues would be from his name - which leads me to rank him highly as a mafia suspect.
Fusionsdf
Name: no idea, unlikely to be clue related anyway
Signature: ☭ 1 word: awrsdrsom//Lim Ji Hye ！
Picture: None
Profile: Ascii art of leonidas and pic of some hot chick
Clues from this could possibly be indecipherability. But more likely to be linked to his picture of Leonidas. Leonidas is pure muscle, pure strength. With a number of strength based characters roaming around (check out Mr Black for instance) it makes me think that fusion ranks highly as a mafia suspect. However, fusion sent me a detailed list on clues which i doubt a mafia would do
Useless
Name: self explanatory
Picture: none
Profile: none
Signature: Favorite book: Organic Chemistry
Clues here would be pertaining to either his sig or name. His sig is science related (no clues) while his ID has many interesting links. Let's look at King Brown Snake - he has a thematic problem of being pushed aside, he is rather useless. This is perhaps a strong clue and hence high chance of mafia.
aznvaliance
Name: asian valiance - valiance;
The qualities of a hero or heroine; exceptional or heroic courage when facing danger (especially in battle)
Picture: none
Profile: "How can there be any meaning in the memory of such a being? What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion."
—Sephiroth
"Whoever wins, the battle does not end. The loser is set free from the battlefield, while the winner must remain there. And the survivor will live out his life as the warrior until the day he dies." -Big Boss aka Naked Snake
Signature: Isnt that worth fighting for? Isnt that worth dying for? - Morpheus
Wow, lots of stuff to work with here. His name suggests leadership and being a hero (similar to eddie). His quotes all pertain to that similar theme. Very complicated character to pin down imo.
So, in in conclusion;
Not mafia: imderek, alventenie
Medium mafia: useless, fusionsdf
High mafia: aznvaliance, evilmonkey
Im not confident enough in any of them however. Perhaps more people can help out
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i hereby give my full support behind lynching evilmonkey (for reasons camlito pointed out to me and should do int he near future) and aznvalaince
Aznvaliance = eddie
evilmonkey = mr blonde
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+ Show Spoiler [eddie] +Eddie stood in front of them, gun pointing to Chuiu, ready to shoot at a moments notice. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner".
Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans.
Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.
Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off. They backed away from Yogurt and watched in anticipation expecting him to set off a bomb attached to his chest. He hit the switch and an explosion sent shock waves from across town. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat.
As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him Frenh_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Eddie smashed the glass of the window and Taipan Snake grabbed French_Toast's head and they both used the remaining broken glass in the window pane to stab his neck with. It wasn't until they threw him through the window and he landed on his neighbors lawn darts did French_Toast die though.
Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help"
Lenwe snatched up the piece of rebar and Mr. Red retreated to the new threat he posed. Eddie wasn't afraid to take on Lenwe, however, and charged strait at him grabbing the steel bar right out of his hand and knocking him to the ground with it. A few well placed blows and Lenwe was dead as well.
- Seems to be the leader of the group
- No preferred method of killing (darts/glass, steel bar and kicking so far)
- Seems to be very strong
Here we go....
The clue persist to Asian Valiance's name. It fits the characterisation of a leader, one eager to fight and one thats not afraid (of lenwe). Definition, valiance means "The qualities of a hero or heroine; exceptional or heroic courage when facing danger (especially in battle)".
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On April 11 2008 14:01 fusionsdf wrote:
to me, the fact that he
a) got a lucky kick
b) got a lucky shot on yogurt
means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie the fact that Yogurt was our mad hatter and characterised as a good fighter means the luck clues are someone less strong
secondly
thats was o-n-e night not all nights. Hence luck has very very little to do with eddie and the luck can be dismissed as filler
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On April 11 2008 14:03 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +
Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans.
and those are the kinds of quotes Im pointing to. Not a single person here can say that "Solemn but seeing a promising future" isnt a clue. Things like that are what we should be looking at Awesome sdf now link it to a mafia, ill help you, it links to The Wolf and Taipan. Not eddie, nor joe. Its plot filler.
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On April 11 2008 14:07 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2008 14:05 Plexa wrote:On April 11 2008 14:01 fusionsdf wrote:
to me, the fact that he
a) got a lucky kick
b) got a lucky shot on yogurt
means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie the fact that Yogurt was our mad hatter and characterised as a good fighter means the luck clues are someone less strong secondly thats was o-n-e night not all nights. Hence luck has very very little to do with eddie and the luck can be dismissed as filler how so? Its not like shooting someone in the face on a lucky shot is valiant You are starting with suspects, and trying to link clues to them. And thats a mistake. and luck is not a filler. If you think it is, I highly suggest you look at the game one wrap up I've seen the game one wrap up and there were PERSISTENT THEMES which linked to mafia. Not strange one offs - those turned out to be red herrings
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On April 11 2008 14:09 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2008 14:07 Plexa wrote:On April 11 2008 14:03 fusionsdf wrote:
Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans.
and those are the kinds of quotes Im pointing to. Not a single person here can say that "Solemn but seeing a promising future" isnt a clue. Things like that are what we should be looking at Awesome sdf now link it to a mafia, ill help you, it links to The Wolf and Taipan. Not eddie, nor joe. Its plot filler. no its not I'll fucking sig bet you at the end of the game chuiu will reveal it and its going to read out "Solemn(name1) but seeing a promising future(name2)" Those are clues and traits we should look for, no matter which particular mafia it links too, instead of following half baked theories Ok sig betted. However, if it turns out that those clue pertain to The Wolf (which imo they do) then i win the bet.
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On April 11 2008 14:13 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2008 14:08 Plexa wrote:On April 11 2008 14:07 fusionsdf wrote:On April 11 2008 14:05 Plexa wrote:On April 11 2008 14:01 fusionsdf wrote:
to me, the fact that he
a) got a lucky kick
b) got a lucky shot on yogurt
means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie the fact that Yogurt was our mad hatter and characterised as a good fighter means the luck clues are someone less strong secondly thats was o-n-e night not all nights. Hence luck has very very little to do with eddie and the luck can be dismissed as filler how so? Its not like shooting someone in the face on a lucky shot is valiant You are starting with suspects, and trying to link clues to them. And thats a mistake. and luck is not a filler. If you think it is, I highly suggest you look at the game one wrap up I've seen the game one wrap up and there were PERSISTENT THEMES which linked to mafia. Not strange one offs - those turned out to be red herrings Yeah and it just happens to link eddie with luck twice and we have spare sentences like: [1,2]Chuiu and DapperDan were betrayed by their own comrades, and now their ||lives hanged on the balance.|| and you want to throw it away for a valiant thing thats contradicted by your own quote. I really like how you try to argue panicking and shooting someone is valiant. No. Fucking. Sense. Just so you can steer it to suspects youve already chosen, when you have less than a 5% of finding a mafia among those 6. Wow wtf fusion? Huge oversight on your behalf...
There is a 1/6% chance of one of those people being mafia. I took the names from the list where there are KNOWN MAFIA and analysed them because everyone is so hung up over these lists.
If you want to link eddie to luck, be my guest. imo he very well could be Lostyourskills (as he was lucky on night two and now is growing more habitual) but cmon fusion, offer SOME analysis insted of half baked quasi-conjecture. "WOW THERE IS LUCK IN DAY 2 OMG" doesn't get us anywhere, take it that step further - how does it link to someone? etcetcetc
The fact that eddie "half-panicked" and not "panicked" is enough to create doubt around your attack i think. Furthermore, it fits the plotline that they need to his yogurt some time so he can flip the switch.
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