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On March 19 2008 08:48 HotZhot wrote: He is the new Tracil IMO, are you Tracil Ace? would fit if he got mafia rol, lol
hahaha look at my profile - been here since 2002.
I'm NOT the new Tracil
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On March 19 2008 08:47 Wysp wrote: So come on Empyrean, start dishing us some good shit if you want votes.
Fine. One of my plans to reveal mafia was to ask for a "detective confirmation", in which I would ask, publically all detectives to investigate a bodyguard and PM me the results. I wouldn't reveal that it was a bodyguard.
To all those mafia who thought that they could gain my trust, I could immediately know the identity of any mafia who reported to me, but didn't report that the person was a bodyguard.
Now, of course, that plan's worthless. I was going to keep my plans secret until I was elected, but it's becoming apparent that I have to give some of them away.
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35. Vharox 83. Chezinu
Unfortunately these two people playing are the same guy, the IP check confirms. Pretty BM if you ask me to register two accounts to play when it's so important for the game that you don't know who the other side are.
You guys should vote on whether we should ban him
Edit: Sucks that some people have to cheat even in friendly forum games.
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On March 19 2008 08:55 Hot_Bid wrote:Unfortunately these two people playing are the same guy, the IP check confirms. Pretty BM if you ask me to register two accounts to play when it's so important for the game that you don't know who the other side are. You guys should vote on whether we should ban him
Vharox you bastard.
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On March 19 2008 08:49 Empyrean wrote: A selfish townie mayor is good for the town - he'll do everything he can to ensure town victory.
Furthermore, as I was going to sleep immediately after my initial post, to only way I could get myself elected was to reveal my role. It's the only way I know of that we would have been guaranteed a townie mayor. While Ace and araav are great choices, I can't know their allegiance. By forcing people to vote for me or face the consequences of losing a detective, I am ensuring a townie mayor.
In case anyone has doubts, please investigate me or ask me to perform some detective duties.
To me, the ends justify the means. That's the sole reason I revealed my role.
+ Show Spoiler [Empyreans post for mayor] +On March 18 2008 19:33 Empyrean wrote: I just woke up!
I'm running for mayor as well.
I have previous mafia experience, and have a good idea of how mafia like to conduct things.
Furthermore, I'll take everyone's opinion into consideration, as well as analyze everything myself.
The most important reason, and this is kind of risky saying it, but I am a detective. If I'm elected mayor, I'll be guaranteed to be safe from mafia attacks so I can publish my detective results daily, giving us a large boost. If you want, I can ask some easy questions confirming people's roles so they can back me up. The possibility of a Detective Mayor is something in the town's favor.
Also, if you don't vote for me now, mafia will target me first night and the town'll be down a detective without me even asking anything :[
note in his post for mayor he says he just woke up. now he's saying he had to reveal his role because he was going to sleep. perhaps just a minor mistake but it's a bit contradictory? worth noting perhaps?
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Kau
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Ace:
About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like:
mafia 1 mafia 2 mafia 3 bodyguard #
Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know.
Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent?
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Wow, you shouldn't have revealed that. That's an incredibly thoughtful idea. I guess it sorta confirms your allegiance to the town thinking up that idea.
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The plot thickens!
[quote=Uncovering Ambition]Normally in ARG's, the creator gives a helping hand by using an anonymous account and baiting clues when the players get stumped. I think the staff may be doing the same thing. Possibly using the accounts "Akzent" ie accent, "Leunal", and "Chezinu" [edit added conjonner] Conjonner. All three accounts were created this month ,within three days of each other, and have very few posts.[/quote]
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On March 19 2008 08:55 Hot_Bid wrote:Unfortunately these two people playing are the same guy, the IP check confirms. Pretty BM if you ask me to register two accounts to play when it's so important for the game that you don't know who the other side are. You guys should vote on whether we should ban him Edit: Sucks that some people have to cheat even in friendly forum games. Are you sure these are not relatives/playing on diffrent comps but utilising the same network or anything? If not, I'm all for the banhammer.
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Hot_Bid give it up you have uncovered yourself as mafia, ban=hit IMO, kggnore
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On March 19 2008 08:57 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 08:49 Empyrean wrote: A selfish townie mayor is good for the town - he'll do everything he can to ensure town victory.
Furthermore, as I was going to sleep immediately after my initial post, to only way I could get myself elected was to reveal my role. It's the only way I know of that we would have been guaranteed a townie mayor. While Ace and araav are great choices, I can't know their allegiance. By forcing people to vote for me or face the consequences of losing a detective, I am ensuring a townie mayor.
In case anyone has doubts, please investigate me or ask me to perform some detective duties.
To me, the ends justify the means. That's the sole reason I revealed my role. + Show Spoiler [Empyreans post for mayor] +On March 18 2008 19:33 Empyrean wrote: I just woke up!
I'm running for mayor as well.
I have previous mafia experience, and have a good idea of how mafia like to conduct things.
Furthermore, I'll take everyone's opinion into consideration, as well as analyze everything myself.
The most important reason, and this is kind of risky saying it, but I am a detective. If I'm elected mayor, I'll be guaranteed to be safe from mafia attacks so I can publish my detective results daily, giving us a large boost. If you want, I can ask some easy questions confirming people's roles so they can back me up. The possibility of a Detective Mayor is something in the town's favor.
Also, if you don't vote for me now, mafia will target me first night and the town'll be down a detective without me even asking anything :[ note in his post for mayor he says he just woke up. now he's saying he had to reveal his role because he was going to sleep. perhaps just a minor mistake but it's a bit contradictory? worth noting perhaps?
Ah, good find; I probably just remembered that I would be unable to play for a long period of time - I had to leave for school, so I was away for about seven hours. In either case, my argument is the same. I just have a bad memory.
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On March 19 2008 08:57 Kau wrote: Ace:
About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like:
mafia 1 mafia 2 mafia 3 bodyguard #
Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know.
Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent?
They can't because all the other Bodyguards that didn't get a PM would know something is wrong. In the event that they do that, it just helps the town because we can just apply all clues and DT/Jack power to that list of suspects and catch the Mafia asap.
No fake detective is going to spring forward and state the Mayor is innocent because they run the risk at having a real detective also step forward and once again we are back to place where we have confirmed a situation with at least 1 suspect as Mafia (because someone is lying) and a sure fire Mafia lynching.
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On March 19 2008 08:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 08:55 Hot_Bid wrote:35. Vharox 83. Chezinu Unfortunately these two people playing are the same guy, the IP check confirms. Pretty BM if you ask me to register two accounts to play when it's so important for the game that you don't know who the other side are. You guys should vote on whether we should ban him Vharox you bastard.
Although it pretty much means that he's a townie.
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On March 19 2008 08:57 Kau wrote: Ace:
About your Bodyguard plan, what stops a mafia mayor from pming each actual bodyguard with a list that is something like:
mafia 1 mafia 2 mafia 3 bodyguard #
Each actual bodyguard would get a pm back from each of the fake mafia-bodyguards and they wouldn't know.
Then once the mayor gets checked by a detective, couldn't there be fake mafia-detectives that state that the mayor is innocent? Hmm, this seems to be a flaw in the plan. Edit: @ Ace: He's saying that every bodyguard would get a PM. Their PM would list Mafia members as bodyguards. Each bodyguard's PM would list (the same) fake bodyguards as their colleagues. None of the bodyguards would know the difference.
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Especially since once the real bodyguards complain that they didn't get a PM, other mafia can as well.
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On March 19 2008 08:56 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 08:55 Hot_Bid wrote:35. Vharox 83. Chezinu Unfortunately these two people playing are the same guy, the IP check confirms. Pretty BM if you ask me to register two accounts to play when it's so important for the game that you don't know who the other side are. You guys should vote on whether we should ban him Vharox you bastard.
also so this post isn't a total waste. Here's the latest voting tallies. Mayor Elections Tally as of March 19 09:00 (TL/Korean time)
Ace - (20) + Show Spoiler + Queasy,ahrara,Lenwe,MasterOfChaos,Fishball,Artanis[Xp],CDRdude,Joxxor,Ghar, spoinka,Hittegods,Hollander,Naib,useless,GeneralStan,Shadowdrgn,Falcynn,zeks, Mynock,Caller
Empyrean - (18) + Show Spoiler + Heros)Pink,LucasWoJ,shallow[bay],LoStYouRSkiLLS,KH1031,LastRomantic,ImDerek, Meta,Eti307,Showtime,MTF,BloodyC0bbler,RST)Nightmare,NatsuTerran,Solosteer, JimTudor,nemy,decafchicken randombum - (10) + Show Spoiler +Lysithea,Drdragoon,Alethios,G.S)Naruto,Sadir,fanatacist,Bockit,GranDim,Ninja4ever, so no fek Ghar - (7) + Show Spoiler +TranceStorm,Ace,Pangolin,Mandalor,Amber[Light],rpf,Ziel araav - (8) + Show Spoiler +AcrossFiveJulys,SonuvBob,RowdierBob,Klive5ive,xdark,Neax,Energies,qsr Sonuvbob - (4) + Show Spoiler +Chezinu,LTT.wurm,bumatlarge fusionsdf - (3) + Show Spoiler + plexa - (2) + Show Spoiler + LastRomantic - (1) + Show Spoiler +
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i just noticed i wasn't in this round...
ohwell, its probably for the best as i dont know how active i would be
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On March 19 2008 09:04 Empyrean wrote: Especially since once the real bodyguards complain that they didn't get a PM, other mafia can as well.
And if the Mayor is innocent he'd (which would be confirmed by the DTs silence) then those stupid Mafia that tried to geek the Town would be caught when the Mayor never mentions them on his list.
If any Mafia member false claims they'd be caught red handed fast because this plan does not use 1 person as the word of trust - it uses several with a self checking scheme.
Continue to try and find more holes in it, this is interesting and fun.
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To expand upon Dark.Carnival's post, I made some post before I went to sleep, then after woke up, I revealed my detective and ran for mayor. Either way, it would be hours (seven/eight+) before I could make a response, so I had to ensure my candidacy got noticed.
Check timestamps to confirm my activity.
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On March 19 2008 09:07 Ace wrote: If any Mafia member false claims they'd be caught red handed fast because this plan does not use 1 person as the word of trust - it uses several with a self checking scheme.
Good point, the only way for the mafia to get around it is to have some mafia roleplay bodyguards and others roleplay detectives.
EDIT: Going to be gone for about an hour.
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