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On March 20 2008 14:11 Ace wrote:
If you're still complaining about Incontrol being lynched, and you have a better idea then prove it.
I'm not going to lynch anyone that voted because that would eliminate a somewhat active player.
Yes, someone did have a better idea: On March 18 2008 16:31 araav wrote:Here we go! Voting araav for mayor3. If I happen to be pardoner, and not mayor (get the second highest votes), will pardon the first day lynches, unless the case is really VERY logical. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.
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On March 20 2008 14:12 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2008 14:10 Showtime! wrote:
ShaLLoW are you mad because I took over your role from the last game?
I think someone needs a lollipop.
Too bad I don't have any special powers.
Oh, wait: to annoy! Does this mean that you're the mafioso shitstirrer? Because I'm very inclined to believe it, and I think that your sudden switch to posting bullshit while claiming to be drunk is very suspicious. Shallow, we should get one thing clear: you're the crapstirrer. You did it all last game, you're doing it again this game. (Not that it bothers me, but he who accuses...)
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Show nested quote +On March 20 2008 14:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 20 2008 14:21 qrs wrote:On March 20 2008 14:12 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On March 20 2008 14:10 Showtime! wrote:
ShaLLoW are you mad because I took over your role from the last game?
I think someone needs a lollipop.
Too bad I don't have any special powers.
Oh, wait: to annoy! Does this mean that you're the mafioso shitstirrer? Because I'm very inclined to believe it, and I think that your sudden switch to posting bullshit while claiming to be drunk is very suspicious. Shallow, we should get one thing clear: you're the crapstirrer. You did it all last game, you're doing it again this game. (Not that it bothers me, but he who accuses...) ... did you READ THE POST OF HIS I QUOTED? OR THE ONE BEFORE IT ABOUT INCONTROL? Have you read any of this guys posts? Your sudden jump to believe his story about being drunk, while he's still capable of posting a vastly contrasting, logical post, is a bit iffy. Last game, I was mafia. It was my prerogative.
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On March 20 2008 14:27 Ace wrote:
The ONLY reason people are upset is because Inc turned out to be blue instead of green. I say we just move on with the plan and stop trying to be disgruntled. It's only adding confusion and a bad start. This is the last time I'm addressing this. Look, in hindsight, I think it's clear that araav had the better plan. There are a lot of special town roles in this Mafia game. In fact, there are more special town roles than Mafia roles (without counting bodyguards). That being the case, it probably would have been smarter not to lynch (if you have that option) or to pardon your lynch (if you don't) rather than risk the 1 in 5 chance of killing a valuable towny. By the second day, you should hopefully have more information about the roleplayers, so that would no longer be an issue.
But it's water under the bridge now.
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Wait--PMs are already coming in? That's not good. We need to wait at least some hours before we can be reasonably sure that a detective has investigated the mayor.
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On March 20 2008 15:15 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2008 15:14 rpf wrote:
Ah, that makes sense.
So what happens if Ace is found to be a member of the mafia? Doesn't that really screw the townies over? I believe a lot of us have already discussed this already. Having a mafia mayor can still benefit the town to a certain extent. um...how?
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A mafia mayor will never act in the best interests of the town. He will always act in the best interests of the mafia. If the best interests of the mafia are to keep their man alive and let the townies do a double lynch or something, he will do that. If the best interests of the mafia are to let the townies kill him, he will do that. This seems obvious to me.
edit: Ace does have an interesting point about playing some sort of weird psychological game, letting him vote and double guessing his moves, but honestly, I don't think too much info can be gleaned from that. He can just abstain.
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On March 20 2008 15:28 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
A mayor in general abstaining to vote does more harm than good, whether or not he's mafia or not.
You're changing the subject. We were talking about known mafia mayors.
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Araav, it would be the same situation no matter who was elected mayor. We can't be sure that anyone is not Mafia. If the mayor is a mafioso, I'd rather lose a detective than have him go undetected: a mafioso mayor can do a lot of a damage. So even on the "die" side, I think losing the detective is the least of all evils. On the "do" side, of course, if the mayor is a townie we gain a ton by having someone we know is a townie, and protected.
If Ace turns out to be a mafioso, we'll just have to move on without our double lynches--we haven't lost the game yet.
As for lynching InControl, I've come to the conclusion that it was a bad decision to take the risk (since we have such a high percentage of role players), but Ace did have a logical reason for the lynch (better than FakeSteve's last game).
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On March 21 2008 00:07 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote:
so......
we are lynching quiet people to force them to post?
Do you realize how useless a strategy that is?
No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine  )
To be honest, if it's a strategy at all, it can't be a strategy for the first lynch only. The whole point of it is to make people afraid to lurk, but if they know that there is no chance of their getting lynched for lurking after the first day, why would they care what the first-day lynch was? If this is a strategy, it has to be at least a part of the strategy for all lynches: i.e., everything else being equal, we lynch the quiet one.
Not much we can do about InControl being dead, now. By the next lynch, we will hopefully have more information.
Wait--that gives me an idea for a role in future games!
Necromancer: The necromancer has the ability, once every ten turns, to bring one of the dead back to life. A clue will be left behind pointing to his identity.
Or something like that.
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On March 21 2008 00:18 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 00:11 fusionsdf wrote:On March 21 2008 00:07 Naib wrote:On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote:
so......
we are lynching quiet people to force them to post?
Do you realize how useless a strategy that is?
No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine ) It doesnt matter what lynching it is its still stupid especially when you have a gift like empyrean A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again. I think you're misunderstanding fusion. He means that Empyrean was a gift of a sacrifice: someone who was practically guaranteed not to be a role-player.
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On March 21 2008 00:24 Kau wrote:
If Ace really was mafia, why would he be roleblocked? That doesn't benefit them at all since we'll know whether or not he's mafia soon enough.
Now if he was mafia and is just saying that he's roleblocked when he really isn't, then that just puts him at higher risk when someone else is actually roleblocked.
That's not a proof: the roleblocker doesn't even have to use his role tonight. No point in trying to deduce Ace's orientation: we'll find out soon enough one way or the other.
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just an example. I don't know what the best way to balance a role like that would be.
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On March 21 2008 00:42 Scorch wrote:I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who?
Definitely all real detectives (and all other roles) should be in contact with Ace as soon as enough time has passed to be reasonably sure that he is a towny. (Certainly by the next day. Of course, detectives can find out earlier.)
As for how to find out the impostor, it's simple--just get a few detectives to ask the same question that night (debatable whether to have them all ask the same question or split them up 3/2). If one person gives the wrong answer, he's Mafia. Of course, a mafioso can probably give the right answers most of the time: but he doesn't want to. He'll never know how many other detectives you are asking the same question at any time. If he is too cautious in playing his role, he might end up being an asset to the town in spite of himself.
In fact, it's probably a good idea to check detectives against each other even if four or less report, just on the chance that a detective is inactive and a mafioso has bluffed.
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Read the OP, Op. (short answer: no.)
edit: or maybe you meant can a suicide bomber kill paramedics protecting him?, which--maybe, but why would a medic protect the mayor? Detectives don't protect people.
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It's in the original post, like most of the details about special roles.
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Wow, relax, ~OpZ~. I wasn't attacking you; I was just pointing you to where the information could be found. The last edit to the OP was yesterday.
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On March 21 2008 03:15 Falcynn wrote:
So if we're just plain green townies you still want us to confirm with you?
What would be the point of that? Unless you think that the Mafia will obligingly confirm as Mafia instead of town.
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On March 21 2008 03:20 Ace wrote:Yes even if you are a plain vanilla townie I want you to PM me. It'll help me a lot
You're joking, right?
In case you aren't: how could it possibly help you?
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