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On April 27 2008 09:37 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 08:32 clazziquai wrote:
MTF I have nothing to post.
It seems like you guys accuse me for being mafia and right now you and Plexa have most influence in town.
Oh well. That's why I gave up. Won't matter for me, but have fun wasting a lynch on me. Thanks for the generic "I'm mafia so I can't really say much, so I'll post this hoping you guys feel stupid about your choice to lynch me and decide at the last minute to keep me alive, and actually debating clues is useless because that's actually me and you really did a good job finding out who it was."
No problem fuckhead!
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i hope im dead tomorrow so there will be no denying your role as mafia. =D
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On April 27 2008 09:46 nemY wrote:
To be fair L put up a good fight.
Fortunately, the rake penetration was too much for his system.
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On April 27 2008 11:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i hope im dead tomorrow so there will be no denying your role as mafia. =D
Dude I love you
I am not mafia.
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On April 27 2008 11:03 clazziquai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 11:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i hope im dead tomorrow so there will be no denying your role as mafia. =D Dude I love you I am not mafia.
ok i believe you i won't get you lynched. love always makes everything better.
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On April 27 2008 11:18 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 11:03 clazziquai wrote:On April 27 2008 11:01 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i hope im dead tomorrow so there will be no denying your role as mafia. =D Dude I love you I am not mafia. ok i believe you i won't get you lynched. love always makes everything better.
<333333333333333333
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Nightmare I haven't been active because I have had nothing to real contribute. I'm not used to clue analysis since all my mafia games have been based of of the players actions and voting patterns (in which case I would be suspicious of me too, but I wouldn't advocate lynching me.). The only time I come back is if I have something to say that is not really clue analysis.
As to your points, even IF the mafia did try to get me into office wouldn't I have gotten it? I mean there are 20 mafia (19 if you suspect me) who could vote for me, yet I only had 28 votes total. Furthermore, just because the pattern at the moment seems like mafia wanted me as mayor it doesn't conclude with me as mafia myself. They probably did not want Ace as mayor since he seems like he had a lot of experience and would be a better mayor. (just a guess)
Besides, its not like I need to be active anyways. There are 70 townies left, we have over 10 days to lynch the mafia. This does not include their kill power going down with each lynch. If we get 2 mafia today it will take 14 days before all us townies die. And seeing as there are only 14 left they still won't be able to control the vote for at LEAST 10 days even if we don't manage to lynch a single one of them in those 10 days. These overwhelming numbers is why I have cut time for this game.
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in costa rica right now, won't message much so please lynch me so i don't have to waste vacation time looking at this 
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Well, one of these people are mafia:
CDRdude
Additional information: avilo: Every now and then a lurker has to unburrow to reach a new position on the map, and become even more of a legend.
Name could mean "commander" dude, CD-R (rewritable CD) dude, or a number of other tech relating applications.. What mafia could he be? possibly Eddie or Californaian Mountain snake - Commander (navy rank) links to Eddie decently while the "weapon of choice" for cali could be a CD-R...
The quote could link to any of the following themes;
- Unburrowing/emerging/hiding
- becoming a legend
For this i suppose you could argue Mr Blonde's tendancy to appear (via unburrowing) which could actually be a viable clue seeing as the ninja thing isn't working out.
nemY
additional information
picture
~You're in my soul~
~You're in my mind~
~But I don't know where you are now~
Name has about zero links, you could stretch it something terrible and make the connection to enemY but cmon, thats just rediculous..
His picture could have a few things linking to it but none of these are really viable
The quote, however, could have have relevance. the title is "Stone" but other than that there is no real evidence pointing towards any mafia trait what so ever... nemY is likely to be innocent imo
RtS)Night]Mare
i dont buy any of the connections of "nightmare" to any of the mafia... if there were connections you'd have victims of this mafia waking up, dying in their sleep, or being tortured in a seemingly real but unreal environment - ie some kind of fantasy world. I don't see that happening with any of the victims (especially since they all get paired up with another mafia) and thus these connections are flimsy... at best you can connect to mr pink but thats terrible...
his picture has changed, used to be a mexican southpark character - which doesn't link to anyone imo
Pain makes one suffer.
Suffering makes one think.
Thinking makes one wise.
And Wisdom makes life bearable.
akh-gosu this actually could point to alot of stuff... read up on ahk-gosu here (lots of lol) that coupled with the rather interesting quote could be connected (thematically) to say enigma or others... if enigma doesn't show up tonight then this suspicion tends to zero.
qrs
name is nothing more than sequential letters, so not clue material
which leaves; It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious. --Alfred North Whitehead This Whitehead character is some mathematician/philosopher from circa 1900 iirc and this quote would lead us to expect a mafia who was smart, looked at normal problems and approached from a different path or even someone who never took a non-calculated risk. Mafia suspects here could possibly be The Wolf or Mr Pink - where i think the wolf is marginally stronger.
also note that qrs has been resistant to Ace/Town since Day 0 and generally annoying to everyone involved. Although he did set MTF straight when MTF couldn't add
araav
well araav was pinned in that chatroom fiasco and was deemed innocent after that incident. his name means nothing, which means the clues should really be coming from other places like.
can we tie any of the mafia to a zealot? i don't think thats possible except for perhaps californian mountain snake - but thats a stretch considering the first round of clues directed towards him
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all. is a quote said by the Chinese Emperor in Mulan - possibly connected to Eddie? highly doubtful...
infundibulum
an infindibulum is a specific shape associated with organs, similar to that of say a stomach or kidney. Nothing along these lines have come up in the clues hence i dont think our dear friend here is going to be mafia based on this...
we have which could tie nicely into californian mountainsnake, and indeed i think this is one of a best links to him (the other being SMB) and hence quite possibly a mafia..
Cheese in the grater is greater cheese is kind of a bland/boring quote and has no real connection to any of the mafia clues same goes for...
Sup. which has 0 relevance at all.
Ahrara_
i have no idea what Ahrara is, not even wiki does.. you could go Ah-Ra-Ra, but i have no idea how that links to anything..
his picture might link to something, but theres no theme of being on the ground or anything of that nature...
Running 8 min of T in the LOC. wtf does this mean? i have no idea... someone tell me.. it might actually link to someone...
Thus;
CDRdude - 15% confidence
nemY - 1% confidence
Nightmare - 25% confidence
qrs - 5% confidence
araav - 10% confidence
infundibulum - 40% confidence
ahrara - 4%
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On April 27 2008 17:32 Plexa wrote:
also note that qrs has been resistant to Ace/Town since Day 0 and generally annoying to everyone involved. Although he did set MTF straight when MTF couldn't add
Indeed. : x
Just for that, I'm fairly sure he's innocent. Cleared up suspicions of MasterOfChaos that I had the first time around, and then showed me where the numbers were truly adding up instead of where I was looking for them the second time around.
I have no real comments on the rest. I would like to know what ahara_'s quote means, too. I've never been able to interpret it in any good way.
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This hasn't been pointed out yet, but Randombum's role of pardoner only really has one purpose:
To stop a lynching when it has been swayed by the mafia.
To be honest, pardons will only become important towards the end of a game... when a full team of active mafia might be able to sway a vote away from one of them onto a townie (assuming many town are inactive).
"33 of 85 possible votes [were] accounted for" in the last round of voting at the time 14 mafia were alive. Think about that... if all the mafia voted.. they'd make up near 50% of the vote count.
It isn't hard to imagine all voting for one person (now that all detectives are dead), add a bit of bandwagoning in there... and... dead townie.
Thus, it's going to be important later for randombum to use his pardons if it becomes obvious a person is innocent yet to be lynched.
However, if randombum uses or had used his power before such a situation occured, he would instantly be a prime suspect of protecting mafia.
Unfortionately, under Chuiu's current system of voting... a pardoner has very little time to react and use his pardon. A pardoner would need to be active... yet randombum isn't... which leads me on to my next point nicely.
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Does everybody remember the mayoral elections? Our two main candidates were Ace and Randombum. The two had similar ideas about how to lead the town to victory... with Ace winning out in the end because he came up with many of them.
I'd like to draw your attention to a PM I received (and i'm assuming most... if not all of you also received).
Hey, you barely know me, but you might have seen me around TL.net particularly the mafia game. This is just a PM to ask you to vote for me for mayor, because that would rock. I'm sure you have your own ideas, but if you are undecided and don't know whom to vote for, please consider me, randombum. Here are some reasons as to why I would be a good choice.
1: I spend far too much time at home, so I will always have time to check tl.net and do the double lynch if the town asks.
2: I will always double lynch if town asks (a good thing)
3: I will be taking an active role trying to figure out clues and this way I will be able to willingly post them without fear of mafia taking me out.
4: I took the time to write this pm to you hoping to convince you so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread.
Thanks, randombum
Now there are two things to notice here... firstly randombum's first point.
He states that he spends far too much time at home... and will always have time to tl.net. He's implying that he'll be very active throughout the game... Where is he now however?
I can't remember the last time I saw a post from him...
He didn't vote this day...
He abstained yesterday (when a mafia was lynched)...
Day 5 was curiously absent of a randombum vote.
Day 4 was yet another abstention.
Day 3 was the day of inforced voting, and randombum voted as required... So i'll stop here.
Next... look at his 4th point. "so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread" So randombum doesn't want us to read what is said on the thread? Interesting.
Picture i'm trying to paint here is of a person, whose status is unknown, who after an impassioned mayoral campaign (which he narrowly lost) has done exactly what he needs to do to escape notice. I wouldn't have noticed either, if it were not for the curious contrast between his mayoral promises and his observable behavior.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 27 2008 17:42 Alethios wrote:
This hasn't been pointed out yet, but Randombum's role of pardoner only really has one purpose:
To stop a lynching when it has been swayed by the mafia.
To be honest, pardons will only become important towards the end of a game... when a full team of active mafia might be able to sway a vote away from one of them onto a townie (assuming many town are inactive).
"33 of 85 possible votes [were] accounted for" in the last round of voting at the time 14 mafia were alive. Think about that... if all the mafia voted.. they'd make up near 50% of the vote count.
It isn't hard to imagine all voting for one person (now that all detectives are dead), add a bit of bandwagoning in there... and... dead townie.
Thus, it's going to be important later for randombum to use his pardons if it becomes obvious a person is innocent yet to be lynched.
However, if randombum uses or had used his power before such a situation occured, he would instantly be a prime suspect of protecting mafia.
Unfortionately, under Chuiu's current system of voting... a pardoner has very little time to react and use his pardon. A pardoner would need to be active... yet randombum isn't... which leads me on to my next point nicely.
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Does everybody remember the mayoral elections? Our two main candidates were Ace and Randombum. The two had similar ideas about how to lead the town to victory... with Ace winning out in the end because he came up with many of them.
I'd like to draw your attention to a PM I received (and i'm assuming most... if not all of you also received).
Hey, you barely know me, but you might have seen me around TL.net particularly the mafia game. This is just a PM to ask you to vote for me for mayor, because that would rock. I'm sure you have your own ideas, but if you are undecided and don't know whom to vote for, please consider me, randombum. Here are some reasons as to why I would be a good choice.
1: I spend far too much time at home, so I will always have time to check tl.net and do the double lynch if the town asks.
2: I will always double lynch if town asks (a good thing)
3: I will be taking an active role trying to figure out clues and this way I will be able to willingly post them without fear of mafia taking me out.
4: I took the time to write this pm to you hoping to convince you so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread.
Thanks, randombum
Now there are two things to notice here... firstly randombum's first point.
He states that he spends far too much time at home... and will always have time to tl.net. He's implying that he'll be very active throughout the game... Where is he now however?
I can't remember the last time I saw a post from him...
He didn't vote this day...
He abstained yesterday (when a mafia was lynched)...
Day 5 was curiously absent of a randombum vote.
Day 4 was yet another abstention.
Day 3 was the day of inforced voting, and randombum voted as required... So i'll stop here.
Next... look at his 4th point. "so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread" So randombum doesn't want us to read what is said on the thread? Interesting.
Picture i'm trying to paint here is of a person, whose status is unknown, who after an impassioned mayoral campaign (which he narrowly lost) has done exactly what he needs to do to escape notice. I wouldn't have noticed either, if it were not for the curious contrast between his mayoral promises and his observable behavior. for someone who doesn't turn up to debate tournaments you're one to talk haha
anyway, check out the voting thread for mayor... Empyrean was essentially in as pardoner (and safe as a detective). I think mafia wanted to stop someone with an important role like empy from getting in and have 6 BG protection.. thus 4 of them (queasy + albino and the suspects clazziquai/0zc7c) bumped Randombum over the top right at the end (some switching from empy to him) and hence i don't think he's mafia (but those last 4 are)
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Huh... big ass points posted since i started writing (yes it took me hours... i went out).
Including a rare randombum post... now personally i'm inclined to trust him... but his post does align with my theory of doing exactly what he needs to do to escape notice.
Make a post or two defending yourself if any suspicion is raised... then fall back into being anonymous.
The fact you didn't receive many votes isn't really valid by the way... there were detectives in the game at the time... and this round's legion of the damned would not want to be caught out like they were in the previous game.
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Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him?
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Random notes about things as I go through the lists:
I've noted this one before, but figured I should put it out there now, 'since it's all over the place:
Note #1:
- Someone seems to have a link to people dying slowly by bleeding to death. These four quotes all come from different Mafia killings. Perhaps we should look into something that kills/is killed by bleeding things out.
Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
NeaX didn't die from pain or shock, rather he bled out slowly.
and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in.
Then to finish him off he made long gashes into useLess and left him to bleed to death.
Note about California Mountain Snake:
- He is related to something clean/cleanliness. This appears both times he has shown up, and though it may just be metaphors about sharpness appearing twice, I believe that Chuiu is a good deal more cautious than that. I mean, just look at Crazie-Penguins' subtle slapped and maddened references.
He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess,
Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him? his hat links very nicely to californian mountainsnake
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On April 27 2008 17:48 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 17:42 Alethios wrote:
This hasn't been pointed out yet, but Randombum's role of pardoner only really has one purpose:
To stop a lynching when it has been swayed by the mafia.
To be honest, pardons will only become important towards the end of a game... when a full team of active mafia might be able to sway a vote away from one of them onto a townie (assuming many town are inactive).
"33 of 85 possible votes [were] accounted for" in the last round of voting at the time 14 mafia were alive. Think about that... if all the mafia voted.. they'd make up near 50% of the vote count.
It isn't hard to imagine all voting for one person (now that all detectives are dead), add a bit of bandwagoning in there... and... dead townie.
Thus, it's going to be important later for randombum to use his pardons if it becomes obvious a person is innocent yet to be lynched.
However, if randombum uses or had used his power before such a situation occured, he would instantly be a prime suspect of protecting mafia.
Unfortionately, under Chuiu's current system of voting... a pardoner has very little time to react and use his pardon. A pardoner would need to be active... yet randombum isn't... which leads me on to my next point nicely.
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Does everybody remember the mayoral elections? Our two main candidates were Ace and Randombum. The two had similar ideas about how to lead the town to victory... with Ace winning out in the end because he came up with many of them.
I'd like to draw your attention to a PM I received (and i'm assuming most... if not all of you also received).
Hey, you barely know me, but you might have seen me around TL.net particularly the mafia game. This is just a PM to ask you to vote for me for mayor, because that would rock. I'm sure you have your own ideas, but if you are undecided and don't know whom to vote for, please consider me, randombum. Here are some reasons as to why I would be a good choice.
1: I spend far too much time at home, so I will always have time to check tl.net and do the double lynch if the town asks.
2: I will always double lynch if town asks (a good thing)
3: I will be taking an active role trying to figure out clues and this way I will be able to willingly post them without fear of mafia taking me out.
4: I took the time to write this pm to you hoping to convince you so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread.
Thanks, randombum
Now there are two things to notice here... firstly randombum's first point.
He states that he spends far too much time at home... and will always have time to tl.net. He's implying that he'll be very active throughout the game... Where is he now however?
I can't remember the last time I saw a post from him...
He didn't vote this day...
He abstained yesterday (when a mafia was lynched)...
Day 5 was curiously absent of a randombum vote.
Day 4 was yet another abstention.
Day 3 was the day of inforced voting, and randombum voted as required... So i'll stop here.
Next... look at his 4th point. "so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread" So randombum doesn't want us to read what is said on the thread? Interesting.
Picture i'm trying to paint here is of a person, whose status is unknown, who after an impassioned mayoral campaign (which he narrowly lost) has done exactly what he needs to do to escape notice. I wouldn't have noticed either, if it were not for the curious contrast between his mayoral promises and his observable behavior. for someone who doesn't turn up to debate tournaments you're one to talk haha anyway, check out the voting thread for mayor... Empyrean was essentially in as pardoner (and safe as a detective). I think mafia wanted to stop someone with an important role like empy from getting in and have 6 BG protection.. thus 4 of them (queasy + albino and the suspects clazziquai/0zc7c) bumped Randombum over the top right at the end (some switching from empy to him) and hence i don't think he's mafia (but those last 4 are)
Firstly... my apologies about the tournament, I had signed up and all... unfortunately something came up. How did you do?
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Granted, the mafia would prefer a non-detective with bodyguard protection with the position of pardoner... but they essentially only had one other option at that point anyway... randombum... furthermore... why wouldn't they want one of their own in that position?
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On April 27 2008 17:56 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him? his hat links very nicely to californian mountainsnake
I was hoping you could specifically say how it relates.
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Perhaps PMs would be the best place for our off topic discussion.
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On April 27 2008 18:00 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 17:56 Plexa wrote:Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him? his hat links very nicely to californian mountainsnake I was hoping you could specifically say how it relates.
To quote you: "Weapon of choice" potentially a sharp hat
Apologies for the triple post... but even if the motorized were sharp (which I find rather suspect... have you seen the hats in question) why would Californian Mountainsnake need to "[take] out his own weapon of choice" if it's upon his head?
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 27 2008 17:58 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 17:48 Plexa wrote:On April 27 2008 17:42 Alethios wrote:
This hasn't been pointed out yet, but Randombum's role of pardoner only really has one purpose:
To stop a lynching when it has been swayed by the mafia.
To be honest, pardons will only become important towards the end of a game... when a full team of active mafia might be able to sway a vote away from one of them onto a townie (assuming many town are inactive).
"33 of 85 possible votes [were] accounted for" in the last round of voting at the time 14 mafia were alive. Think about that... if all the mafia voted.. they'd make up near 50% of the vote count.
It isn't hard to imagine all voting for one person (now that all detectives are dead), add a bit of bandwagoning in there... and... dead townie.
Thus, it's going to be important later for randombum to use his pardons if it becomes obvious a person is innocent yet to be lynched.
However, if randombum uses or had used his power before such a situation occured, he would instantly be a prime suspect of protecting mafia.
Unfortionately, under Chuiu's current system of voting... a pardoner has very little time to react and use his pardon. A pardoner would need to be active... yet randombum isn't... which leads me on to my next point nicely.
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Does everybody remember the mayoral elections? Our two main candidates were Ace and Randombum. The two had similar ideas about how to lead the town to victory... with Ace winning out in the end because he came up with many of them.
I'd like to draw your attention to a PM I received (and i'm assuming most... if not all of you also received).
Hey, you barely know me, but you might have seen me around TL.net particularly the mafia game. This is just a PM to ask you to vote for me for mayor, because that would rock. I'm sure you have your own ideas, but if you are undecided and don't know whom to vote for, please consider me, randombum. Here are some reasons as to why I would be a good choice.
1: I spend far too much time at home, so I will always have time to check tl.net and do the double lynch if the town asks.
2: I will always double lynch if town asks (a good thing)
3: I will be taking an active role trying to figure out clues and this way I will be able to willingly post them without fear of mafia taking me out.
4: I took the time to write this pm to you hoping to convince you so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread.
Thanks, randombum
Now there are two things to notice here... firstly randombum's first point.
He states that he spends far too much time at home... and will always have time to tl.net. He's implying that he'll be very active throughout the game... Where is he now however?
I can't remember the last time I saw a post from him...
He didn't vote this day...
He abstained yesterday (when a mafia was lynched)...
Day 5 was curiously absent of a randombum vote.
Day 4 was yet another abstention.
Day 3 was the day of inforced voting, and randombum voted as required... So i'll stop here.
Next... look at his 4th point. "so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread" So randombum doesn't want us to read what is said on the thread? Interesting.
Picture i'm trying to paint here is of a person, whose status is unknown, who after an impassioned mayoral campaign (which he narrowly lost) has done exactly what he needs to do to escape notice. I wouldn't have noticed either, if it were not for the curious contrast between his mayoral promises and his observable behavior. for someone who doesn't turn up to debate tournaments you're one to talk haha anyway, check out the voting thread for mayor... Empyrean was essentially in as pardoner (and safe as a detective). I think mafia wanted to stop someone with an important role like empy from getting in and have 6 BG protection.. thus 4 of them (queasy + albino and the suspects clazziquai/0zc7c) bumped Randombum over the top right at the end (some switching from empy to him) and hence i don't think he's mafia (but those last 4 are) Firstly... my apologies about the tournament, I had signed up and all... unfortunately something came up. How did you do? ------------- Granted, the mafia would prefer a non-detective with bodyguard protection with the position of pardoner... but they essentially only had one other option at that point anyway... randombum... furthermore... why wouldn't they want one of their own in that position? simple- easy target... randombum could be easily role checked by the detectives and they would lose an easy mafia. remember that no mafia ran for mayor last game 
On April 27 2008 18:00 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2008 17:56 Plexa wrote:Plexa... would you mind elaborating why you have 40% confidence of infundibulum's guilt when you couldn't find any clues relating to him? his hat links very nicely to californian mountainsnake I was hoping you could specifically say how it relates. firstly, note that when cali was introduce he took off his hat as he bowed (note the hate)
secondly look at the makeup of the hat - perfect for goring/slicing
thirdly notice that he threw something at dimsab (the spinning blind off the hat perhaps?)
fourthly "weapon of choice" ties into the had as does the slashing
i do think SMB is a stronger candidate, but this is too much to look over in such a small group
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Name has about zero links, you could stretch it something terrible and make the connection to enemY but cmon, thats just rediculous..
Actually that's what my name is ROFL
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