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BlindAlbino
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Ecuador176 Posts
April 13 2008 16:53 GMT
#4401
anyway, after looking through clue discussion, new biggest suspects are ieatkids5 and eit307. dont know about you guys but I am voting them for tomorrow if double lynch
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 13 2008 16:55 GMT
#4402
why is that blindalbino?
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
April 13 2008 17:04 GMT
#4403
That clue for eti seems lacking.
sAviOr...
BlindAlbino
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Ecuador176 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-13 17:18:10
April 13 2008 17:12 GMT
#4404
placeholder i explain one minute.

Ok for one, i dont think lostyourskills is pointed to the luck clues. think it is too obvious. but if you look at eti's quote: A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new


I think it could have a more subtle meaning and he could be eddie.
also the 3-0-7 clue but this one is less damning.

ieatkids : heros)pink already explained. pretty good.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 13 2008 17:21 GMT
#4405
you don't think queasy was too obvious?
nor d.arkive?
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Lysithea
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden204 Posts
April 13 2008 17:41 GMT
#4406
I know I'm kinda defending myself here but I feel that what I said earlier doesn't apply to this clue since it's incorrect.

for reference to what I earlier stated:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 23 2008 02:57 Lysithea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2008 02:29 ZBiR wrote:
On March 23 2008 02:15 Lysithea wrote:
    *Mr Pink seems very brutal, holding on to the TOP of Mynocks head (the other part had broken off from the shot), even using it as a weapon tangled up in his hair... wtf? Oh, that also means Mr Pink got long hair I guess.



Nah, you're wrong. Mr Pink used Mynock's head like a flail, he was holding Mynock's long hair and hitting with his head (which was attached to his hair obv)


yeah, you're right, my imagination got the better of me.

It feels like I'm pretty bad at spotting clues and connections. None really convince me of anything unlike what others has come up with. I'll let people dig some before I cast my vote.

I should say that I won't dispute any clues pointing towards me, cause well.. my quote often match to many different situations combatwise. Trying to prove my innocence in all cases will only lead to more suspicion.. or so I feel about it anyway (thinking about poor l2w last game). I mean, I got the agile smooth moving part in it, I got the right precise moment, I got the fast hurtful hitting part and I also got the experienced part with Ali himself. To save you from a google/wiki search. My name originated from a series I watched, later learned it got something to do with greek history/greek mythology, also a moon of jupiter.

edit: bah I kinda defended myself now anyway.. heh



Now, about that clue pointing towards me. Someone saying that the moon Lysithea was red and then referencing to a pic called callist.jpg got me to google myself.
While looking for pictures of the moon Lysithea (I havent found one yet that got color) I stumbled upon this site http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/planets/jupiter/moons.shtml
where the exact same picture is used for the moon Callisto

Also, on that site they say: Lysithea is Jupiter's eleventh moon. Lysithea is 15 miles (24 km) in diameter and orbits 7,200,000 miles (11,720,000 km) from Jupiter. Lysithea has a mass of 8 x 1016kg. It orbits Jupiter in 259.22 (Earth) days. Very little is known about Lysithea. Lysithea was discovered by S. Nicholson in 1938.

The best picture I've found on the small Lysithea is on this page http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/nelson/jupmoons/jupmoons.html

I hope that's enough regarding that clue, if there's something else that might be pointed to me, by all means bring them up, at least it continues the search and investigation.
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." - Muhammad Ali
Lysithea
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden204 Posts
April 13 2008 17:51 GMT
#4407
On April 13 2008 23:25 Camlito wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysithea_(moon)
http://www.fa.is/deildir/Stjornufraedi/callist.jpg - Picture of the moon
[2,2]But when night finally came, the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen.
http://teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Lysithea


Also, how did you get that link to reference to Lysithea? Trying to access http://www.fa.is/deildir/Stjornufraedi/ or any sort of link except for http://www.fa.is doesn't work for me.
That pic just came out of nowhere
"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee." - Muhammad Ali
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 13 2008 18:25 GMT
#4408
In case anyone cares, my suspect list is
General Stan
RtS)Night[Mare
ieatkids5
ShaLLoW[baY]
Romance_us
suresh0t
MidnightGladius
Last Romantic

LostYourSKills
MTF
unforgiven_ve
SpiritoftheTuna
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 13 2008 19:02 GMT
#4409
Alright, focusing on a few non-English names for the moment, as those are the hardest for the general population to associate things with naturally or search for.

1. ZBiR

Croatian word. Translations in English include addition, aggregate (a collection of smaller units into a larger mass), and total.

2. Puosu

Finnish word. Translation in English is a boatswain. This is an officer in charge of general deck work on a sailing ship or an officer on a merchant ship who oversees the work of others.

3. Clazziquai

Korean fusion band.


4. Ziel

German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul.

I'm gonna work at some of the more ambiguous names and signatures/quotes later.
Think. :)
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 13 2008 19:26 GMT
#4410
On April 14 2008 03:25 fusionsdf wrote:
In case anyone cares, my suspect list is
General Stan
RtS)Night[Mare
ieatkids5
ShaLLoW[baY]
Romance_us
suresh0t
MidnightGladius
Last Romantic

LostYourSKills
MTF
unforgiven_ve
SpiritoftheTuna



interesting list because none of these people are on my 100% innocent list
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
April 13 2008 19:32 GMT
#4411
Fusion, does the space fragment between the two show that the bottom is more certain, or the top, or does it not have any significance (personally to me the top seems more convincing (most have clues linked to them that have been mentioned several times (with the exception of shallow -- his behavior just DOES NOT SEEM to be behavior of a mafia) seem strong), but that's a larger field than the out-of-four).
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 13 2008 19:33 GMT
#4412
just a couple of things - Caller as doing an excellent job of pointing out potential mafia. He might have been the first person to pin EvilMonkey. I'm just going through past PMs here:



Also I suggest setting up someone like Eti307 or EvilMonkey. due to their inactivity yet their voting as well.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
BlindAlbino
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Ecuador176 Posts
April 13 2008 19:41 GMT
#4413
see ace knows whats up.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 13 2008 20:30 GMT
#4414
On April 14 2008 04:32 0cz3c wrote:
Fusion, does the space fragment between the two show that the bottom is more certain, or the top, or does it not have any significance (personally to me the top seems more convincing (most have clues linked to them that have been mentioned several times (with the exception of shallow -- his behavior just DOES NOT SEEM to be behavior of a mafia) seem strong), but that's a larger field than the out-of-four).


top is more certain

And I think they are all in the mandalor list as well
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-14 12:17:47
April 13 2008 21:02 GMT
#4415
To be clear, likely candidates in the case of acronyms are simply those definitions that have been pointed at before or, in most cases, the easiest to work with in the case of creating clues.

I will omit those that have already been described, such as Naib.


1. Eti307

Many acronyms for Eti here. Likely candidates include elapsed time indicator, estimated time of intercept, and extraterrestrial intelligence.

"A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new" is a quote attributed to Albert Einstein.


2. HotZhot

Could be pronounced similarly to hotshot.

I Only Smile in the Dark is the name of a book about a young man immersed in gothic/industrial culture. It is penned by Aaron Reardon.


3. CDRdude

Many acronyms for CDR here. Likely candidates include commander and conductor.


4. So no Fek

Two acronyms for fek: File encryption key and frequency exchange keying.


5. Fen

As I don't think Chuiu would use the same definition to build clues off of in the case of Fen getting Mafia again, some more likely definitions are: an acronym for Far East Network, which was a network of radio and televisions stations in Japan, Korea, and other parts of East Asia. A unit of money in mainland China.

"Procrastination. Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now." is a quote attributed to Larry Kersten.


6. nemY

Enid Nemy was a reporter for the New York Times.

As mentioned by nemY already, "You're in my soul, you're in my mind, but I don't know where you are now" is a part of a song by Stereophonics called Stone.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
I don’t know why I let you go
You said you’d wait I said I’d hope you would
We talked ‘til late until we walked away
What’s meant to be will be the same

And I feel like stone
Yes I feel ice cold
I pick myself up from the ground
Sick to death of lying down
And now I have to find you once again

You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now
You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now

Driving round and round until its dawn
To look for you in rooms we used to go
I held you back, I had to set you free
But now I know what’s meant to be

And I feel like stone
Yes I feel ice cold
I pick myself up from the ground
Sick to death of lying down
And now I have to find you once again

You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now
You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now

You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now
You’re in my soul
You’re in my mind
But I don’t know where you are now



7. LTT

Many acronyms for LTT here. Not many candidates as far as easy access.

"We must be born with an intuition of mortality. Before we know the words for it, out we come, bloodied and squalling with the knowledge that for all the compasses in the world, there's only one direction, and time is its only measure." is a quote from the character Rosencrantz from Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead.


8. str

Many acronyms for str here. Likely candidates are Santa Rosa, smile/talk/raise both arms, square to round, strength, straight, and strip.


9. qrs

Many acronyms for qrs here. A likely candidate is quick reaction strike.


10. Infundibulum

An infundibulum is a funnel-shaped cavity or organ.


11. MTF

Many acronyms for MTF here. Likely candidates include move to front, move to follow, and male-to-female transsexual.

"The self-righteously ignorant are the only ones who ever truly believe they've got everything figured out." is a quote from a self-righteous narcissist.


12. Heros)Pink

Tendresse means tender feeling.


13. 0cz3c

"Num negas audes? Quid taces? Convincam, si negas; video enim esse hic quosdam qui tecum una fuerunt. O di immortales!" is a quote from Cicero's First Oration Against Catiline.

"...and he drove Catiline from the city by four vehement speeches, the Catiline Orations, in which he described Catiline and his followers' debaucheries, and denounced his followers as a company of dissolute senators and assorted rogues who, deeply in debt, latched onto Catiline as a last hope. Cicero vehemently urged Catiline and his followers to leave the city."


14. Ziel

"The cake is a lie!" is the title of the ending song to the videogame Portal.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
This Was A Triumph
I'm Making A Note Here:
HUGE SUCCESS
It's hard to overstate
my satisfaction.
Aperture Science
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.

But there's no sense crying
over every mistake.
You just keep on trying
till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And you make a neat gun.
For the people who are
Still Alive

I'm not even angry.
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you broke my heart.
And killed me.
And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because
I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data
make a beautiful line.
And we're out of beta.
We're releasing on time.
So I'm GLAD. I got burned.
Think of all the things we learned
for the people who are
still alive.

Go ahead and leave me.
I think I prefer to stay inside.
Maybe you'll find someone else
to help you.
Maybe Black Mesa. . .
THAT WAS A JOKE. HAHA FAT CHANCE.
Anyway. this cake is great.
It's so delicious and moist.
Look at me still talking
When Theres Science to do.
When I look out there,
it makes me GLAD I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are
still alive.

And believe me I am still alive.

I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.

T feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.

While you're dying I'll be still.

And when you're dead I will be still alive.

STILL ALIVE



15. Hollander

Picture is of Manny from Grim Fandango.


16. jtan

"Enter a Uh" is the title of a very confusing song by John Frusciant.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
You see me now
While ago
You could shred this size only
You are a blender uh
We are always be with you with be me hey
I am masculine to all the lie
I am a boy and i know about him only
Line life ago i made her
Give me heeee i know
Made her sky my (??)
To high can't be we are
Higher can be we are
Higher couple we are
I could be we uh ah
La la la la la la la ahhh oi oi oi ya o o
Enter a uh
While (??)
Alright...
We we are all
I am only reveal a gold demon
I am yeller
Kiss me there where
I bother told about her film and make her sensorial
(4:00)
I see i mean
Without me
Like it's ocean
Well i've been on there
Withavidavida screwer
Withavidavida screwer
Aii aiii aii oiii oiii
-(very high pitch) heeeelp-
You seen the same order ohh you missed
You headless eyes lonely babe lord i was ready yaaay
I was gonna dream that if we were yaaay. ohh.
I wonder if we were (??)
Leave me alone me said
I'm afraid

But which from one more buy
Bad brown wears is bad
Round round lonely babe into drain
Diss it very good look me for the colder
Bad feel.
Bad sky while (??) lion lame life lame life lies on land
Skies fuck you
I wanna kiss meet you
Devote you to help

I (??) stains for father reaches his back
Well into a bowl
It isn't so task true key
Insandrium heart leave back
Daughter danger life
Why?
Cuz they all know



17. BWdero

Many possible links to dero here. No likely candidates stand out.


18. AcrossFiveJulys

"You must be crazier than a fish with tities" is part of R. Kelly's ongoing Trapped in the Closet.


19. Ninja4ever.

"Live as if you were to die tomorrow, learn as if you were to live for ever." is a quote from famed pacifist Gandhi.


20. Pangolin

The Pangolin is a scaly anteater.


21. butidigress

"between the click of the light and the start of the dream" is part of a song called No Cars Go by Arcade Fire.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
(Hey!)
(Hey!)

We know a place where no planes go
We know a place where no ships go

(Hey!) No cars go
(Hey!) No cars go
Where we know

We know a place no spaceships go
We know a place where no subs go

(Hey!) No cars go
(Hey!) No cars go
Where we know

(Hey!)
(Hey!)
(Hey! Again!)
(No go!)

(Hey!) Us kids know
(Hey!) No cars go
Where we know

Between the click of the light and the start of the dream
Between the click of the light and the start of the dream
Between the click of the light and the start of the dream
Between the click of the light and the start of the dream

"I don't want any pushing, and I don't want any shoving.
We're gonna do this in an orderly manner. Women and children! Women and children! Women and children, let's go! Old folks, let's go! Babies needing cribs, let's go!"



22. Scorch

"What? The land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy." is from a song called Know Your Enemy by Rage Against the Machine.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
Huh!
Yeah, were comin back then with another bombtrack
Think ya know what its all about
Huh!
Hey yo, so check this out
Yeah!
Know your enemy!

Come on!

Born with insight and a raised fist
A witness to the slit wrist, thats with
As we move into 92
Still in a room without a view
Ya got to know
Ya got to know
That when I say go, go, go
Amp up and amplify
Defy
Im a brother with a furious mind
Action must be taken
We dont need the key
Well break in

Something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
cause Ill rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against em

Fist in ya face, in the place
And Ill drop the style clearly
Know your enemy...know your enemy!

Yeah!

Hey yo, and dick with this...uggh!
Word is born
Fight the war, fuck the norm
Now I got no patience
So sick of complacence
With the d the e the f the I the a the n the c the e
Mind of a revolutionary
So clear the lane
The finger to the land of the chains
What? the land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy?

Now something must be done
About vengeance, a badge and a gun
cause Ill rip the mike, rip the stage, rip the system
I was born to rage against em

Now action must be taken
We dont need the key
Well break in

Ive got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
Ive got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
Sick of sick of sick of sick of you
Time has come to pay...
Know your enemy!

Come on!
Yes I know my enemies
Theyre the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are american dreams (8 times)



23. suresh0t

"Please forgive me for questioning divinity, it's an ugly job but I think I'm up for it" is a part of a song called Rise Up!! Rise Up!! by Cursive.

+ Show Spoiler [Lyrics] +
dear preacher, thanks for making time for me today
hope you don't mind if i hide behind the curtain
it's been fifteen years since my last confession
by your good book's standards, i've sinned like a champion
but that book seems a tad bit out-dated

please forgive me, for questioning divinity
it's an ugly job, but i think i'm up for it
i'm not saying who's right
i'm just saying there's more than one way
to skin a religion
there's more than one way
to explain our existence

reverend, sir, i don't want to seem malevolent
my teenage angst is far behind me
but father, certainly it's troubling to see
all these people kneeling, instead of dealing
with the fact that we are all we have

so, rise up! rise up!
there's no one to worship!
but plenty of life to lose!
i'm not saying "let's burn down the church"
but do you want to hear my confession?
it's my greatest sin..

okay, here it is:
i wasted half my life on the thought that i'd live forever!
i wasn't raised, to seize the day, but to work and worship
'cause "he that liveth and believeth" supposedly never dies

rise up! rise up!
and live a full life!
'cause when it's over, it's done
so rise up! rise up!
dance and scream and love!

[barely audible outro]
you're not the chosen one
and i'm not the chosen one



24. DamageControl

Many connections to DamageControl here.


25. SpiritoftheTuna

"La Pomme Damour" translates into "the love-apple".


26. AmorVincitOmnia

AmorVincitOmnia translates into Love Conquers All.

"brown skin woman you a queen" is part of a song called Brown Skin Woman by Krs-one.

+ Show Spoiler [lyrics] +
{kid capri}
Aiyyo kris, yo yo yo!
That was fresh, come with that next shit

Uhh! fat fat fat fat beats! ..
How refreshing is it really?
How refreshing is it really? !
Ha ha ha ha ha ha! whoo! ..
Big shout out to philly in the house
G. simone, you know youre not alone
Krs-one on the micraphone
Now we gonna come down ruffneck like this now seen?
Mad lion hold tight

Chorus:

Brown skin woman, you a queen, not a hoe
Any man that drop the lyric what we give them the bo
Brown skin woman you a queen and not a hoe
Any man that drop the lyric what we give them the bo

Verse one:

We dont come with disrespect, we come with intellect
If you come with disrespect you get a rope around your neck
Some people dont expect me, to be so violent
But me nah violent, just myself I protect
Too many time I see, young gwal pickadee
Pay five ten twenty thirty dollar to see
Some rapper some singer some .. celebrity
Talk bout they wan fi sex up and fill up you body
But them nah talk about peelin off some money
For the pumpin onna bed, when you haf the baby
Whattaya think can happen next? after youre done havin sex?
Too much of ignorance, not enough intellence
Mahn me not against sex, but too many dj
Talk sex but them not talk about the next day
Cause the next day them gone, and you sit alone
Got em soup up your mic, pon de micraphone

Chorus (w/ minor variations)

Verse two:

Brown skin gwal them cant diss yo
Cause you run the show-ow-ow!
Them call you all type of bimbo
But you know youre not a hoe-oe-oe!
Bwoy pickade, check out your history
Brown man is a God in any ci-ty
White, man knew dat, and dat was a shock
So dem whip up your bod, and dem whippin not stop
But dem nah cant stop us wit de whip and de chain
So dem take away your history, erase your name
Still, with no name, with no fight, with no fuss
We just, take on the name, that massa give us
That name is ni-gga, the correct is ne-gro
Its spa-nish for black, white mahn call us dat
There is also ne-groid, also ne-gro
Now, all nigga pon the corner playin cee-lo
Man youre not a ne-gro, cause youre skin is not black
Take a look at yourself, youre brown and thats a fact
You not jump from no tree, you not live in no cave
Thats some garbage dem print, dem want you to behave!
You a african man, some say asian
You must respect your love, all brown skin oman!
If you diss your oman, you not come wit no plan
So shut up your mowf, til you must understand!

Chorus (w/ minor variations)

Outro:

I know you want me to call you a nigga.. no!
I know you want me to call you a hoe.. no!
I know you want me to call you a bitch.. no!
This is how it go!

{kid capri}
Yes kris, youre large!
Another fat production by the kiiiiid capri
Big shouts to the engineer naughty
Big shouts to luca, and we outttttttta here!

Peeeeeeeeeeace!



27. zeks

A zek is a Russian slang term for an inmate.


28. Klive5ive

5ive was a British band.





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I hope day post comes somewhat soon, I'm getting kinda bored. : x
Think. :)
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
April 13 2008 21:06 GMT
#4416
25.

He got his masculine/feminine wrong
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Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
April 13 2008 21:09 GMT
#4417
may i ask why am i getting acused of mafioso?
Teamliquidian townie
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Profile Joined July 2005
Canada336 Posts
April 13 2008 21:38 GMT
#4418
On April 14 2008 04:02 MTF wrote:

4. Ziel

German or Dutch. German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target. Dutch translation is soul.

If that is true, I think he could replace SureSh0t as a suspect
Addicted
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Profile Joined July 2005
Canada336 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-13 21:48:58
April 13 2008 21:48 GMT
#4419
Why Ziel is The Wolf and not Suresh0t

Ziel : German translation includes aim, designation, destination, end, object and target

-Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
This include everything on the definition

-You just need to hit the right spot
Good aim

Addicted
0cz3c
Profile Joined February 2008
United States564 Posts
April 13 2008 22:00 GMT
#4420
Well, this is the second time people have wondered about the public signature I have, so it might be fitting to translate it now so that there are no gray shadows in its meaning. And I always love an oppounity to talk about Cicero!

The lines, in Latin, read, ""Num negas audes? Quid taces? Convincam, si negas; video enim esse hic quosdam qui tecum una fuerunt. O di immortales!"

Translated idiomatically into English, they mean, "You don't dare deny it, do you? Why are you silent? I will convict you, if you deny it: I see that here there are certain men who were with you. Good gods!" This indeed is Cicero's First Oration Against Catiline, told in 63 BC in front of the Senate. Its point was to expose a conspiracy that Cicero discovered through an interception of letters by (I believe) Crassus. The conspiracy was an attempt by Catiline, a Roman Patrician, to overthrow the government in Rome. That year he lost against Cicero in the elections for consul (CIcero's consulship took place in 63 B.C.).

Catiline's family had always been distinguished and very old; however, they never held the highest office (the consulship). Catiline essentially wasted his family's fortune, and he also attempted to run for the consulship several times (of course, he never was voted it). Feeling that he had run out of options and that he would never become consul, he formed a conspiracy with men such as Manlius so that he might actually attain the position.

In the first speech, Cicero addresses to the crowds the terms of the conspiracy. Before the speech, he has not yet heard from Catiline, but he paints the man as a monster (he does this because his life was in danger before this conspiracy was revealed). He's not sure where Catiline is, but he knows that he is in Rome, and with all the conspirators unknown (some were known, but not all), Cicero at the time of this speech is still afraid of them (they still are a threat for his life and the Roman State), so he announces to them to leave Rome.

I think you might have a discepancy there, for Cicero talks about the type of conspirators among Catiline in his second oration and not his first (it is much less urgent, still as vehement, but not nearly as efficiently agressive). I'm not entirely certain of it (though I should be -.-), but I believe that these speeches were either said in late October through early Decemeber, or from late November through early December.

A small portion of this post was aimed to clear up my signature so that all clue-finding townies have everything possible to work with, but another portion is also aimed for them (while they match up clues) to realize quickly that I'm not in mafia. I think I illuminated more on the topic of my signature for you guys than any measure of Chuiu's knowledge on the quote. I understand that not understanding a signature or name can be frustrating (I tried earlier on, and with the magnitude of the field, it was just overwhelming), so this was an attempt to provide you with a depth of info on my signature. Regarding my name, I don't think it means anything -- I randomly chose letters that when combined sound like a word.

The leading reason I think I decided to post this is to inform you guys about this historical events. To me its common knowledge, but it appears that MTF posting its circumstances implies that its not. I highly recommend reading the Orations Against Catiline (even if in English) -- I think they are Cicero's most emotional and powerful speeches he has ever uttered.
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